Re: [Flightgear-devel] Simgear and OSG out of sync?

2011-02-16 Thread Tim Moore
I was confused, by my git SVN import of the OSG source tree, about what commits are in 2.8.3. I'll check in a correction soon. Tim On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 8:51 AM, Frederic Bouvier fredfgf...@free.fr wrote: - Bertrand Coconnier a écrit : 2011/2/15 Tim Moore timoor...@gmail.com: I've

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Simgear and OSG out of sync?

2011-02-16 Thread Frederic Bouvier
By the way, I committed the changes to releases/2.2.0 and then merged that branch into next. This is the way fixes should move between the two branches. Please don't commit a fix to next and then cherry-pick it to the release branch. It is very messy to have the same change committed on

Re: [Flightgear-devel] AH-1 Merge Request

2011-02-16 Thread Stuart Buchanan
On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 12:50 AM, Jack Mermod wrote: Hi,        The Red Bull livery has been removed from this release. Download: http://jackmermod.bplaced.net/Files/cobra21511.zip I find it ridiculous and a bit immature how Oliver people whine about a simple logo. It is neither

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Simgear and OSG out of sync?

2011-02-16 Thread Anders Gidenstam
On Wed, 16 Feb 2011, Frederic Bouvier wrote: By the way, I committed the changes to releases/2.2.0 and then merged that branch into next. This is the way fixes should move between the two branches. Please don't commit a fix to next and then cherry-pick it to the release branch. It is very

Re: [Flightgear-devel] memory usage

2011-02-16 Thread Alexey Varjat
At Tue, 15 Feb 2011 16:48:58 +0100 Csaba Halász csaba.hal...@gmail.com wrote: I have noticed that after about an hour of hanging around at KSFO in an ufo on MP, FG's memory went steadily up and eventually reached 2.7GiB. Similarly, during the TGA event at the weekend, memory usage was above

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Simgear and OSG out of sync?

2011-02-16 Thread Bertrand Coconnier
My patch may not work for OSG =2.9 but the fact is that _readerWriterOptions is also needed for SimGear to compile with OSG 2.8.1. Cheers, Bertrand Le 16 févr. 2011 02:53, Frederic Bouvier fredfgf...@free.fr a écrit : - Bertrand Coconnier a écrit : 2011/2/15 Tim Moore

Re: [Flightgear-devel] ..IP and litigation risks, was: AH-1 Merge Request

2011-02-16 Thread Peter Morgan
PodaVhone issue: http://code.google.com/p/flightgear-bugs/issues/detail?id=56can=1q=vodaphone Tips: #1 don't mention the brand name as you are are aware of it and thus intentional.. (or patents) Sorry, but I have worked in this area and they are out to kill as interest is held... Flightgear

Re: [Flightgear-devel] AH-1 Merge Request

2011-02-16 Thread Vivian Meazza
Stuart Buchanan On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 12:50 AM, Jack Mermod wrote: Hi,        The Red Bull livery has been removed from this release. Download: http://jackmermod.bplaced.net/Files/cobra21511.zip I find it ridiculous and a bit immature how Oliver people whine about a simple

Re: [Flightgear-devel] ..IP and litigation risks, was: AH-1 Merge Request

2011-02-16 Thread Reagan Thomas
On 2/15/2011 8:27 PM, Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 16:50:36 -0800, Jack wrote in message 72e5b800-d213-466d-bf46-c3d33d4ae...@gmail.com: Hi, The Red Bull livery has been removed from this release. Download: http://jackmermod.bplaced.net/Files/cobra21511.zip I find it

Re: [Flightgear-devel] AH-1 Merge Request

2011-02-16 Thread Martin Spott
Vivian Meazza wrote: This is ridiculous. We have this discussion every so often, when we are not arguing over FlightPro Sim. Do we have to change every airliner model in the inventory? Of course we don't. Use the bloody thing. Red Bull is known to be very restrictive sensitive when it comes

Re: [Flightgear-devel] ..IP and litigation risks, was: AH-1 Merge Request

2011-02-16 Thread Curtis Olson
I hate to wade into mud wrestling matches. But for every one who is on their high horse about being pristine in our non-use of any possible trademarked items ... have you browsed through our aircraft? We have liveries from just about every airline imaginable, past and present. What I don't like

Re: [Flightgear-devel] ..IP and litigation risks, was: AH-1 Merge Request

2011-02-16 Thread Duane Andre
Re: Red Bull. One could ask for forgiveness rather than permission. But, another approach might be to go directly to Red Bull for permission to use their trademark in return for free advertising for them. I don't know how several RC aircraft makers 'solved' this issue. There are several RC

Re: [Flightgear-devel] AH-1 Merge Request

2011-02-16 Thread Stuart Buchanan
On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 2:26 PM, Vivian Meazza wrote: This is ridiculous. We have this discussion every so often, when we are not arguing over FlightPro Sim. Do we have to change every airliner model in the inventory? Of course we don't. Use the bloody thing. And if ever anyone complains say:

Re: [Flightgear-devel] ..IP and litigation risks, was: AH-1 Merge Request

2011-02-16 Thread Stuart Buchanan
Hi Curt, At the risk of being a case of if the hat fits On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 3:36 PM, Curtis Olson wrote: I hate to wade into mud wrestling matches.  But for every one who is on their high horse about being pristine in our non-use of any possible trademarked items ... have you browsed

Re: [Flightgear-devel] ..IP and litigation risks, was: AH-1 Merge Request

2011-02-16 Thread Vivian Meazza
Stuart Buchanan Hi Curt, At the risk of being a case of if the hat fits On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 3:36 PM, Curtis Olson wrote: I hate to wade into mud wrestling matches.  But for every one who is on their high horse about being pristine in our non-use of any possible trademarked

[Flightgear-devel] FlightGear model animation question

2011-02-16 Thread Curtis Olson
I was browsing the flightgear wiki pages on doing model animations. Everything is written from the perspective of a single model with named parts and the animations refer to the part names. What I have here is two version of the same model as separate 3ds files. I realize it's a crude hack, but

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear model animation question

2011-02-16 Thread Gary Neely
On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 12:46 PM, Curtis Olson curtol...@gmail.com wrote: I was browsing the flightgear wiki pages on doing model animations.  Everything is written from the perspective of a single model with named parts and the animations refer to the part names. What I have here is two

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Simgear and OSG out of sync?

2011-02-16 Thread ThorstenB
On 15.02.2011 13:41, Tim Moore wrote: I've checked in fixes for this change in osgDB:DatabasePager to the SimGear and FlightGear next and releases/2.2.0 branches. Still doesn't compile with OSG = 2.8.5. We also need the patch that Bertrand sent yesterday, i.e. the #ifdef logic for the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Simgear and OSG out of sync?

2011-02-16 Thread Tim Moore
OK, I see that merely removing the 2.8.3 case from my conditional, which I checked in a couple of hours ago, isn't correct. I'll have another go. On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 7:10 PM, ThorstenB bre...@gmail.com wrote: On 15.02.2011 13:41, Tim Moore wrote: I've checked in fixes for this change in

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear model animation question

2011-02-16 Thread Curtis Olson
Thanks Gary, Worked perfectly ... turns out I don't need to specify a global model ... I can just load submodels and give them names and use them. A global offset/rotation does work. Now I'm having trouble with that whole ambient/diffuse thing and my model surfaces that aren't pointed at the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] ..IP and litigation risks, was: AH-1 Merge Request

2011-02-16 Thread Heiko Schulz
Hi, Curt has it right. Get real guys. No one is going to sue a non-existent organization with no assets. The worst they will do is tell us to desist. Which we will do of course. If you want to remove or alter almost every livery in our inventory, fork the data in git and go right

Re: [Flightgear-devel] ..IP and litigation risks, was: AH-1 Merge Request

2011-02-16 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Wed, 16 Feb 2011 20:05:41 + (GMT), Heiko wrote in message 59953.21793...@web29501.mail.ird.yahoo.com: Hi, Curt has it right. Get real guys. No one is going to sue a non-existent organization with no assets. The worst they will do is tell us to desist. Which we will do of

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Nasal getprop: property /accelerations[0]/pilot[0]/z-accel-fps_sec[0] is NaN

2011-02-16 Thread ThorstenB
On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 8:05 PM, Andreas Gaeb a.g...@web.de wrote: Hi Henri, I think I found the error, it was in JSBSim's FGForce class. I've proposed a fix on the JSBSim-devel mailing list. Best regards,        Andreas Hi Andreas, had a look at the patch you suggested on the JSBSim list

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Nasal getprop: property /accelerations[0]/pilot[0]/z-accel-fps_sec[0] is NaN

2011-02-16 Thread ThorstenB
Hi Andreas, had a look at the patch you suggested on the JSBSim list (http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/attachment.php?list_name=jsbsim-develmessage_id=4D5436B3.10606%40web.decounter=1). However, I looking at the code it seems calling these InitMatrix in the FGForce constructor shouldn't

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear model animation question

2011-02-16 Thread Gary Neely
On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Curtis Olson curtol...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Gary, Worked perfectly ... turns out I don't need to specify a global model ... I can just load submodels and give them names and use them.  A global offset/rotation does work. Now I'm having trouble with that

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear model animation question

2011-02-16 Thread Curtis Olson
Hi Gary, I think I've beat the model pretty much into submission now. I was able to export as .ac, but the scaling was off by 2.54 ... hmmm where have I seen that number before? I figured out how to scale and reposition the model in blender wow! and there was much rejoicing. :-) Then all the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] ..IP and litigation risks, was: AH-1 Merge Request

2011-02-16 Thread J. Holden
Hey everyone, Based on my (brief) reading of some United States statutes, I would suggest we can continue using these trademarks until asked not to do so. I don't think this will bring forth a lawsuit, most likely a cease and desist action which is easily complied with, if it is on trademark

Re: [Flightgear-devel] ..IP and litigation risks, was: AH-1 Merge Request

2011-02-16 Thread Alexander Barrett
To throw something into the mix here: I've actually got experience of dealing with RedBull regarding the use of their logos and IP in Flight Simulation. Several years ago I contacted them for an old Payware project and they were most supportive, provided an email stating that as long as

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear model animation question

2011-02-16 Thread Gary Neely
On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 4:05 PM, Curtis Olson curtol...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Gary, I think I've beat the model pretty much into submission now.  I was able to export as .ac, but the scaling was off by 2.54 ... hmmm where have I seen that number before?  I figured out how to scale and reposition

Re: [Flightgear-devel] ..IP and litigation risks, was: AH-1 Merge Request

2011-02-16 Thread Heiko Schulz
Hi, To throw something into the mix here: I've actually got experience of dealing with RedBull regarding the use of their logos and IP in Flight Simulation.  Several years ago I contacted them for an old Payware project and they were most supportive, provided an email stating that as long as

Re: [Flightgear-devel] ..IP and litigation risks, was: AH-1 Merge Request

2011-02-16 Thread Jack Mermod
Hi, Technically, all these logos are under trademark: http://mapserver.flightgear.org/git/?p=fgdata;a=blob;f=Aircraft/737-100/Models/Liveries/731CA.png;h=43cfc5a15abb392519e1f95d34951d410d3c3c80;hb=HEAD

Re: [Flightgear-devel] AH1 merge request

2011-02-16 Thread Oliver Fels
Jack wrote: Hi, The Red Bull livery has been removed from this release. Jack, thanks for caring and removing the livery from the package. As I said you can still provide it separately from your web site. This does not make it legal but moves FlightGear out of the focus. I find it

[Flightgear-devel] fgfs 2.2 licence

2011-02-16 Thread Michael Sgier
so what happened to fgfs 2.2? can we get a Linux installer as well? as it's not yet released, what about changing licence to something alike CC etc.(see the forum) Android uses Apache licence...I didn't read those but am sure that there's one to keep off jerks.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] ..IP and litigation risks, was: AH-1 Merge Request

2011-02-16 Thread Michael Sgier
i doubt...have a look at FSX. Even commercial products alike xtraffic etc use such liveries. --- On Thu, 2/17/11, Jack Mermod jackmer...@gmail.com wrote: From: Jack Mermod jackmer...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] ..IP and litigation risks, was: AH-1 Merge Request To: Devel List