[Flightgear-devel] Aircraft selection summary

2007-12-06 Thread Durk Talsma
I wasn't able to jump in yesterday, but I've been following the aircraft selection disscussion closely. Below is a first attempt at compiling a new list based on the various suggestion made by everybody, and weighted by me based on my general impression of consensus. 737-300             - 787

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft selection summary

2007-12-06 Thread AnMaster
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Durk Talsma wrote: I wasn't able to jump in yesterday, but I've been following the aircraft selection disscussion closely. Below is a first attempt at compiling a new list based on the various suggestion made by everybody, and weighted by me

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft selection summary

2007-12-06 Thread Vivian Meazza
Durk Talsma wrote: Sent: 06 December 2007 08:31 To: flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft selection summary I wasn't able to jump in yesterday, but I've been following the aircraft selection disscussion closely. Below is a first attempt

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft selection summary

2007-12-06 Thread SydSandy
On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 09:57:04 +0100 AnMaster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Citation-Bravo - B1900D This seems a reasonable replacement, in particular since the author of the Citation has indicated preferring that is is not part of the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft selection summary

2007-12-06 Thread AJ MacLeod
On Thursday 06 December 2007 08:30:42 Durk Talsma wrote: Most people suggested dropping the wright flyer. A few people suggested adding an ultralight. it would be nice to have a historic aircraft (as in a really old one). During the version number discussion, somebody suggested doing named

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft selection summary

2007-12-06 Thread Fabian Grodek
In general I agree with Durk. The only issue is that if we drop the Citation we would end-up with no bussiness jet class aircraft, which are high performance machines (compared to props), easier to fly than an airliner (787), and with its own limitations (as compared to fighters - F16). Also a

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft selection summary

2007-12-06 Thread Georg Vollnhals
AnMaster schrieb: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Durk Talsma wrote: I wasn't able to jump in yesterday, but I've been following the aircraft selection disscussion closely. Below is a first attempt at compiling a new list based on the various suggestion made by

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft selection summary

2007-12-06 Thread AnMaster
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 I tested this and found it to be true, the 787's autopilot is broken. However the 737's cockpit is uggly. Hm can either of those be fixed before release? /AnMaster Georg Vollnhals wrote: As I would say, most developers and active users of

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft selection summary

2007-12-06 Thread gerard robin
On jeu 6 décembre 2007, Durk Talsma wrote: I wasn't able to jump in yesterday, but I've been following the aircraft selection disscussion closely. Below is a first attempt at compiling a new list based on the various suggestion made by everybody, and weighted by me based on my general

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft selection summary

2007-12-06 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* gerard robin -- Thursday 06 December 2007: I have red that the choice in between a model A and an other model B is to choose the easier to fly. Do you mean that FlightGear is a game (versus some other FS non free). I am feeling that we are loosing the base of the values we had when

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft selection summary

2007-12-06 Thread Stuart Buchanan
--- gerard robin wrote: Nobody (but me) has talked about the Concorde which is highly elaborated why ? Probably because few people on the -dev list take the time to fully get to grips with it. As you say - it is a very complicated aircraft. Unfortunately that makes it difficult to get to

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft selection summary

2007-12-06 Thread Heiko Schulz
Hi, we have the 777-200 ( not in CVS but GPL!) We have Fred's A320, which is nice to fly and we have the b1900d, which is really good and an airliner. But it should be no problem, to fix the 787-autopilot: there are some people quite good in tuning the autopilot- that's something should be done

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft selection summary

2007-12-06 Thread JOSHUA WILSON
Georg Vollnhals wrote: As I would say, most developers and active users of FlightGear are more interested in smaller aircraft or helicopters than in airliners, at least if we count the new developed aircrafts. At least for Germany, this might be vice versa. If I check the interests of known

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft selection summary

2007-12-06 Thread gerard robin
On jeu 6 décembre 2007, Stuart Buchanan wrote: --- gerard robin wrote: Nobody (but me) has talked about the Concorde which is highly elaborated why ? Probably because few people on the -dev list take the time to fully get to grips with it. As you say - it is a very complicated

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft selection summary

2007-12-06 Thread Hans Fugal
I agree, I think a business jet (or very light jet but we have none to my knowledge) is an important class, at least compared to adding a second twin prop. On Dec 6, 2007 2:14 AM, Fabian Grodek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In general I agree with Durk. The only issue is that if we drop the Citation

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft selection summary

2007-12-06 Thread AnMaster
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Stuart Buchanan wrote: --- gerard robin wrote: Nobody (but me) has talked about the Concorde which is highly elaborated why ? Probably because few people on the -dev list take the time to fully get to grips with it. As you say - it

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft selection summary

2007-12-06 Thread Christian Mayer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 AJ MacLeod schrieb: One point which keeps cropping up is size. While I fully agree that it's important to keep the base package to a reasonable size so that people aren't put off downloading FG, I also think that there's perhaps even a danger

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft selection summary

2007-12-06 Thread John Denker
On 12/06/2007 04:22 AM, AJ MacLeod wrote: One point which keeps cropping up is size. We may be able to have this cake and eat it to; see below. While I fully agree that it's important to keep the base package to a reasonable size so that people aren't put off downloading FG, I also

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft selection summary

2007-12-06 Thread AJ MacLeod
On Thursday 06 December 2007 18:27:06 John Denker wrote: It might help to have some sort of download-on-demand feature. Then the base package can be quite small, containing just the name, thumbnail, and short description for each aircraft, plus the full model for a verrry small number of

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft selection summary

2007-12-06 Thread AnMaster
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Sounds like a great idea. I would suggest using libcurl for the download (if you don't have a better idea). Some key features needed for making this good: * Update list of available aircrafts (when new are added to website). * Find updates for

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft selection summary

2007-12-06 Thread AJ MacLeod
On Thursday 06 December 2007 19:05:35 AnMaster wrote: However I find it hard to belive we could get this done in time for the release. I don't think anyone was suggesting (or would suggest) that goal! For one thing, nobody has actually said they would write the code, and such a feature would

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft selection summary

2007-12-06 Thread Curtis Olson
On Dec 6, 2007 1:04 PM, AJ MacLeod wrote: Actually, I've often thought that this would be a nice feature. Not one that belongs in fgfs though (IMO), but in fgrun. I don't think that having --show-aircraft display non-installed aircraft would be useful, for example. Supposedly, OSG has a

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft selection summary

2007-12-06 Thread tat . michy
Hi there, On 12/06/2007 04:22 AM, AJ MacLeod wrote: It might help to have some sort of download-on-demand feature. I think this is a good idea. I once thought about introducing such feature to the GUI launcher on Mac OS, but it was not that easy since there's no unifi ed aircraft package

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft selection summary

2007-12-06 Thread AnMaster
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 AJ MacLeod wrote: On Thursday 06 December 2007 19:05:35 AnMaster wrote: However I find it hard to belive we could get this done in time for the release. I don't think anyone was suggesting (or would suggest) that goal! For one thing, nobody

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft selection summary

2007-12-06 Thread AnMaster
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Curtis Olson wrote: On Dec 6, 2007 1:04 PM, AJ MacLeod wrote: Actually, I've often thought that this would be a nice feature. Not one that belongs in fgfs though (IMO), but in fgrun. I don't think that having --show-aircraft display

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft selection summary

2007-12-06 Thread Curtis Olson
On Dec 6, 2007 1:38 PM, AnMaster wrote: I object to transparent download behind your back. As AJ suggested on IRC: AJ call it background sneaky transfer system Honestly, this is a weak point. An application has a lot of power and can do a lot of things over the network, to the local file

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft selection summary

2007-12-06 Thread AJ MacLeod
On Thursday 06 December 2007 19:19:55 Curtis Olson wrote: Supposedly, OSG has a feature (or add on?) that will transparently download a model and it's subparts from a remote web site if it can't be found locally. I don't know if that's been incorporated into OSG, but at one point Don Burns

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft selection summary

2007-12-06 Thread Tatsuhiro Nishioka
AnMaster, I could code it during xmas, however it would be in the language I know best : C# for mono using GTK#. I would not be able to integrate the feature with either fgrun or fgfs direc tly. It would be a stand alone program. If you wanted: a fgfs protocol (using nas al maybe) + C#

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft selection summary

2007-12-06 Thread AnMaster
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Tatsuhiro Nishioka wrote: AnMaster, I could code it during xmas, however it would be in the language I know best : C# for mono using GTK#. I would not be able to integrate the feature with either fgrun or fgfs direc tly. It would be a

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft selection summary

2007-12-06 Thread AJ MacLeod
On Thursday 06 December 2007 20:05:47 Curtis Olson wrote: Honestly, this is a weak point. An application has a lot of power and can do a lot of things over the network, to the local file system, to your personal files, etc. Which is why I suggest being cautious about monitoring the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft selection summary

2007-12-06 Thread AnMaster
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 After some discussion on IRC (AJ pointed out that plural of aircraft is aircraft, and andy noted that PropertyList may be a more fg-style top node), I suggest that either change the top node to something else, or call it PropertyList and go the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft selection summary

2007-12-06 Thread LeeE
On Thursday 06 December 2007 19:49, Tatsuhiro Nishioka wrote: I could code it during xmas, however it would be in the language I know best : C# : for mono using GTK#. I would not be able to integrate the feature with either fgrun or fgfs directly. It would be a stand alone program. If