Re: [Flightgear-devel] generic input device support: wrong button event names in Linux

2009-09-15 Thread Tatsuhiro Nishioka
Hi Brant, Though your problem should be looked and fixed, it is different from this one since the generic input device support is not implemented on windows yet. Plus, it does nothing on any platform unless you make a configuration file for your device under $FG_ROOT/input/event/Some

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Glideslope bugs/improvements

2009-09-15 Thread James Turner
On 14 Sep 2009, at 23:31, James Turner wrote: At EGPH, at about 200ft above the runway, the navradio suddenly picks the 'other' end, with, as they say, hilarious consequences. Actually the GS angle jumps from 3.0 degrees to 177 degrees, instantaneously. I suspect penaltyForNav is broken,

[Flightgear-devel] nontrivial external situations (was: Glideslope bugs/improvements)

2009-09-15 Thread John Denker
On 09/15/09 03:25, James Turner wrote: I suspect penaltyForNav is broken, probably by me - so that's where I shall look next. This is 'fixed' now Thanks. - except it's not. penaltyForNav is basically broken - we all know it's broken conceptually, but it's also broken in practice,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] generic input device support: wrong button event names in Linux

2009-09-15 Thread Torsten Dreyer
I guess it is safer to use button-0, button-1, ... button-N for button event names so the names stays the same on different OSs. maybe we need to pull out some info using ioctl to find the first hid event code for a given device (e.g. 228 for joystick). I think your are right, simply numbering

Re: [Flightgear-devel] nontrivial external situations (was: Glideslope bugs/improvements)

2009-09-15 Thread James Turner
On 15 Sep 2009, at 13:15, John Denker wrote: Constructive suggestion: Seriously, unless/until we can do a reasonable job of switching the reversible ILS, it would be better to not switch it at all. In particular, it would be better to just settle on one end or the other and stick with it

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Glideslope bugs/improvements

2009-09-15 Thread Curtis Olson
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 5:25 AM, James Turner wrote: This is 'fixed' now - except it's not. penaltyForNav is basically broken - we all know it's broken conceptually, but it's also broken in practice, because it doesn't even do what it claims (and never has, that I can see) - bias to

Re: [Flightgear-devel] reversible ILS (was: Glideslope bugs/improvements)

2009-09-15 Thread John Denker
On 09/15/09 06:31, Curtis Olson wrote: I believe the original intent was to make the system function in away that made it appear that whatever approach you were trying to fly was the one that was turned on. We agree that was the original intent. However it was doomed from the start, because

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Glideslope bugs/improvements

2009-09-15 Thread Martin Spott
Curtis Olson wrote: I think we can concede that we don't have real world controllers turning approaches and lighting on and off for us on the ground. So either we create an elaborate system and force the user to make all these detailed choices every time we start up the sim, or we create

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Glideslope bugs/improvements

2009-09-15 Thread James Turner
On 15 Sep 2009, at 16:28, Martin Spott wrote: I think it's perfectly fine to have an unrealistic 'dummy' mode for those who don't care but setting such behaviour into stone by hard-coding it into the implementation of a navaid reciever is probably not qualifying for extremely clever

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Glideslope bugs/improvements

2009-09-15 Thread Martin Spott
James Turner wrote: I agree with Martin here - I think we need more accurate behaviour here, but it's easy to keep the current behaviour as an option, controlled by a flag - something I've been considering for a while anyway - eg /sim/realism prop. Possibly the same could apply to the

[Flightgear-devel] Linking newest FG/SimGear Link Errors in newly added file SGText.cpp

2009-09-15 Thread Randall Green
I am linking the latest versions of FG/Simgear and I got 3 unresolved external symbols: FGGyro.cpp, AIGroundVehicle.cpp, and SGText.cpp. The SGText error message is: 4simgear_d.lib(SGReaderWriterXML.obj) : error LNK2019: unresolved external symbol public: static class osg::Node * __cdecl

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Linking newest FG/SimGear Link Errors in newlyadded file SGText.cpp

2009-09-15 Thread Vivian Meazza
Randy, You don't need fgviewer for normal operation of FG. Just uncheck it in the Configuration Manager. Vivian -Original Message- From: Randall Green [mailto:randall.gr...@wright.edu] Sent: 15 September 2009 18:29 To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject:

Re: [Flightgear-devel] nontrivial external situations (was: Glideslope bugs/improvements)

2009-09-15 Thread Thomas Betka
I am confused... what the heck is a reversible ILS? In 25 years as an instrument pilot and over 20 as an instrument instructor--I've never of such a thing. Localizer beams are not reversible. They are horizontally polarized, but not reversible. Reference the FAA Instrument Flying Handbook,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] nontrivial external situations (was: Glideslope bugs/improvements)

2009-09-15 Thread James Turner
On 15 Sep 2009, at 22:59, Thomas Betka wrote: But each LOC on an airfield has it's own frequency This is where the problems start: http://www.nats-uk.ead-it.com/aip/current/ad/EGPH/EG_AD_2_EGPH_2-1_en.pdf IVG and ITH share the same frequency - 108.9Mhz, and there's some

Re: [Flightgear-devel] nontrivial external situations (was: Glideslope bugs/improvements)

2009-09-15 Thread Thomas Betka
While my aviation expertise does not include foreign approach plates, there should be some degree of standard between designations world- wide. Thus I believe those are the designators of either the actual marker beacons, just off the runway...not the LOC itself. From what I can tell, there

Re: [Flightgear-devel] nontrivial external situations (was: Glideslope bugs/improvements)

2009-09-15 Thread Thomas Betka
Actually those are DMEs. Look at the approach plate I referenced in the email I just sent--I just noticed something I missed...this statement: Procedure not available without DME I-TH or radar It's in the text box towards the top of the plate. I missed this, because it's generally *not* done

Re: [Flightgear-devel] reversible ILS (was: nontrivial external situations)

2009-09-15 Thread John Denker
Hi Folks -- Of the 3050 ILSs in section four of my copy of nav.dat, 404 of them, i.e. more than 13% of them, are reversible. That's 202 pairs, if you want to count by pairs. -- In all such pairs, both ends use the same frequency. -- In all such pairs, the two ends have different IDENT codes.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] reversible ILS

2009-09-15 Thread John Denker
On 09/15/09 20:17, I wrote: Of the 3050 ILSs in section four of my copy of nav.dat, 404 of them, i.e. more than 13% of them, are reversible. FWIW if we restrict attention to US airports, i.e. having ICAO identifiers of the form K..., then 276 of the ILSs are reversible i.e. more than 23% of

Re: [Flightgear-devel] reversible ILS (was: nontrivial external situations)

2009-09-15 Thread Thomas Betka
Well, then indeed...you're going to have to implement a textbox-style warning to the user that there may be a potential conflict at those airports. You're correct about there being an issue with making the back-course reverse sensing, when the published approach plates indicate that it

Re: [Flightgear-devel] reversible ILS

2009-09-15 Thread Thomas Betka
Well, right. They are apparently a lot more common than I gave them credit for--but it does seem that they tend to be at airports one doesn't frequent with a 172. But as many FG users are flying airline- style aircraft (and thus likely using these airports), it does become relevant. And

Re: [Flightgear-devel] reversible ILS

2009-09-15 Thread John Denker
On 09/15/09 20:53, Thomas Betka wrote: Of course the LOC beam width can be adjusted to accommodate this, to some degree. Not to a sufficient degree if/when the localizer is at the wrong end of the runway. The localizer course width necessarily goes to zero at the antenna. There is no way

Re: [Flightgear-devel] reversible ILS

2009-09-15 Thread Scott Hamilton
On Tue, 2009-09-15 at 22:01 -0700, John Denker wrote: Can I also suggest, that like most things in FG, we have a property and a Nasal API. Now I haven't thought about this very much, but rather than forcing some UI into concrete, it might be better to provide a programmatic