Re: [Flightgear-devel] memory hemorrhage

2010-02-05 Thread Tim Moore
On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 7:30 AM, Heiko Schulz aeitsch...@yahoo.de wrote: Hi I don't see any new sceneries which are clobbered. You yourself said in another email: -Framerates in KSFO 28R less than used to. Usually I get up to 60 fps with everything enabled in FGFS, but

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Inconsistencies in nav.dat.gz and apt.dat.gz

2010-02-05 Thread Martin Spott
Jari Häkkinen wrote: Maybe the issues described above are valid only for my local build [...] You might check if things look differently when using a build from current CVS, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are !

Re: [Flightgear-devel] memory hemorrhage

2010-02-05 Thread Tim Moore
On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 12:03 PM, Martin Spott martin.sp...@mgras.netwrote: Hi Tim, Tim Moore wrote: I haven't looked at NYC in a while, but our urban areas tend to get clobbered, particularly when the scenery guys strut their stuff for a new release. The vast majority of the changes

Re: [Flightgear-devel] memory hemorrhage

2010-02-05 Thread Jon Stockill
Tim Moore wrote: By the way, the new hotness in terrain visualization seems to be creating buildings from shape files that encode the height of each building, with a big texture (extracted from a bigger image) that has an image of each roof. If you assume that buildings are prisms, an

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Inconsistencies in nav.dat.gz and apt.dat.gz

2010-02-05 Thread Jari Häkkinen
Ok, so this really bounces to Tat. Tat, the flightgear source you use is based on what's in git ... looking into fg/source/src/Navaids/navrecord.cxx reveals that the CVS version has some more control code that avoid the issues I reported in this thread. Tat, can you look into this? Martin,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] memory hemorrhage

2010-02-05 Thread Heiko Schulz
Hi That's the correct definition. I meant that the frame rate was clobbered. Perhaps clobbered is a bit strong. Tim This gives far more sense then. For KSFO it would maybe help to change the power pylons. Currently it is one sized .ac-model but which is changed in size per

Re: [Flightgear-devel] 747-400

2010-02-05 Thread Gijs de Rooy
Hi, Just wanted to know if anybody was working on it so I don't duplicate wnat other people are doing. Do I understand correctly you are doing a 3D model and such of a 747?.If so I won't bother with the current 747-400 Most of it is already in CVS for quite a while. Under

Re: [Flightgear-devel] memory hemorrhage

2010-02-05 Thread Jon Stockill
Heiko Schulz wrote: Hi That's the correct definition. I meant that the frame rate was clobbered. Perhaps clobbered is a bit strong. Tim This gives far more sense then. For KSFO it would maybe help to change the power pylons. Currently it is one sized .ac-model but which is changed

Re: [Flightgear-devel] memory hemorrhage

2010-02-05 Thread Martin Spott
Heiko Schulz wrote: For KSFO it would maybe help to change the power pylons. Currently it is one sized .ac-model but which is changed in size per scale-animation in .xml. As we already know every used .xml will slow down, so a big amount of .xml in a scenery can be deadly (like

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Some quirks in various Aircraft

2010-02-05 Thread bitwPolly
Thank you for the fixes and for the super models. I noticed a couple of things in the Primus1000: Aircraft/Instruments-3d/primus-1000/P1000.nas At present, at startup, hitting NAV gumdrop button alternates NAV1/NAV2 pointers but, after hitting FMS button, the pointers will not revert to

Re: [Flightgear-devel] 747-400

2010-02-05 Thread Pete Morgan
Gijs, why not just create a clone of 747 series in github, or gitorious , and then that can be merges into CVS later maybe. pete Gijs de Rooy wrote: Hi, Just wanted to know if anybody was working on it so I don't duplicate wnat other people are doing. Do I understand correctly you are

Re: [Flightgear-devel] configuration info

2010-02-05 Thread Geoff McLane
Hi Jari, I read _LOUDLY_ your 'fear' that changing anything to do with the 'svn' may cause some unwanted change... but feel this is totally unfounded... It seems my explanation that changing - AC_CHECK_HEADERS([svn_client.h glut.h]) - to - AC_CHECK_HEADERS([svn_client.h]) would change NOTHING

[Flightgear-devel] surprising command-line feature

2010-02-05 Thread John Denker
One of my students recently typed the command fgfs : echo $? The result was: Fatal error: Failed to open file at : (received from SimGear XML Parser) -- Two observations: 1) The student found this error message to be uninformative. I have to agree; using the word at for

Re: [Flightgear-devel] configuration info

2010-02-05 Thread Jari Häkkinen
On 2/5/10 4:04 PM, Geoff McLane wrote: Hi Jari, I read _LOUDLY_ your 'fear' that changing anything to do with the 'svn' may cause some unwanted change... but feel this is totally unfounded... Yes, I agree. My bad. I added your checks to my configure.ac. Jari

Re: [Flightgear-devel] configuration info (svn part)

2010-02-05 Thread Jari Häkkinen
On 2/5/10 4:04 PM, Geoff McLane wrote: But I have had more time to write, and test a BETTER patch attached that :- (a) does NOT change the svn_client.h lines ;=((, (a) should be changed, I agree with your original proposal. Actually I think subversion support in terrasync should be removed

[Flightgear-devel] configuration snafu

2010-02-05 Thread John Denker
I'm glad to see people are cleaning up the autoconf stuff. Here's yet another area that needs some TLC: There appears to be little or no chance that the autoconf system will do the right thing on 64-bit machines. I'm hoping this will be easy for some autoconf guru to fix. I would imagine

[Flightgear-devel] [patch] Write pid into property tree and optionally into a file.

2010-02-05 Thread John Denker
Two closely-related new features: property: /sim/pid option: --pid=/pathto/some/file.pid Having the pid available is useful for many purposes, including sending a signal for debugging. Somebody should please check that this works under MSVC. It looks to me like pretty standard c++ but it's

Re: [Flightgear-devel] configuration info (svn part)

2010-02-05 Thread Martin Spott
Jari Häkkinen wrote: Actually I think subversion support in terrasync should be removed altogether or fixed. If removed then all svn checks could be removed. Oh my, could you _please_ stop this litany ? One posting of this sort per day should really be enough, two or more are a nuisance.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Feedback ReleaseCandidate4

2010-02-05 Thread James Turner
I'm stuck up an Alp until Monday, but the AB is likely just the autopilot Xml entry being accidently removed - I shall check upon my return to reality. As for the GPS, please do ask if things seem strange, I'm happy to make code changes, or document things better. The departure waypoint

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [patch] 787-set.xml

2010-02-05 Thread YOSHIMATSU Toshihide
Hi Curt, I quickly saw forum posts about some new 787 aircrafts: http://www.flightgear.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4t=5207. But I couldn't realize which files should be (or planed to be) committed to CVS. So, would you please simply delete the following line in data/Aircraft/787/787-set.xml in

Re: [Flightgear-devel] configuration info (svn part)

2010-02-05 Thread Martin Spott
Martin Spott wrote: Oh my, could you _please_ stop this litany ? One posting of this sort per day should really be enough, two or more are a nuisance. According to my experience you're trying to make people throw the baby out with the bath water, which is not appropriate here. which,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Feedback ReleaseCandidate4

2010-02-05 Thread Heiko Schulz
Hi, I'm stuck up an Alp until Monday, but the AB is likely just the  autopilot Xml entry being accidently removed - I shall check upon my  return to reality. Indeed it is removed, but with changing back still doesn't work. Something is still missing. The same for the 747-400. As for

Re: [Flightgear-devel] severe erosion of the terrain

2010-02-05 Thread leee
On Friday 05 Feb 2010, John Denker wrote: Here’s the setup: Start the program as fgfs --airport=KLXV --metar= 012345Z 0KT 99SM CLR 15/M01 A2992 Let the aircraft sit on the runway. There is no need to start the engine. Use the v key to cycle through the available views. The

Re: [Flightgear-devel] configuration info (svn part)

2010-02-05 Thread Geoff McLane
Hi Jari, Geoff, how do you make it through the svn check in configure.ac or really building terrasync? I don't have any problems ;=)) utils/TerraSync/ terrasync builds without ANY problems in my 64-bit Ubuntu 8.04... I do _NOT_ have the svn library, nor svn_client.h installed, but of course

Re: [Flightgear-devel] severe erosion of the terrain

2010-02-05 Thread John Denker
On 02/05/2010 11:26 AM, leee wrote: Are those clouds on the horizon or is it distant scenery? Scenery. Mountainous terrain. Clearly recognizable as such. No clouds anywhere: METAR 012345Z 0KT 99SM CLR 15/M01 A2992 If it's scenery then funnily enough, back in Feb2008, I

Re: [Flightgear-devel] memory hemorrhage

2010-02-05 Thread Martin Spott
Tim Moore wrote: On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 12:03 PM, Martin Spott martin.sp...@mgras.netwrote: Tim Moore wrote: I'm referring here to KSFO, and the only change I can point to is that new KSFO scenery is now in the base package. I tend to be lazy and use that for most of my testing. Ah, I see.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Feedback ReleaseCandidate4

2010-02-05 Thread syd adams
-VNAV only follows airports- but not any other Waypoints like VOR, NDB, fixes Only when frq turned to VOR VNAV shouldn't follow ANY waypoint ... so I'm assuming you mean LNAV . If I understand Jame's gps changes ... I should be able to eliminate my nasal routines that detect the difference

Re: [Flightgear-devel] configuration snafu

2010-02-05 Thread Curtis Olson
I don't doubt that there could be some lib vs. lib64 inconsistencies, but FilghtGear builds right out of the box for me on 64bit Fedora 12 ... no hitches at all that I recall and it has done so for quite some time. Regards, Curt. On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 11:11 AM, John Denker j...@av8n.com

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [patch] 787-set.xml

2010-02-05 Thread Curtis Olson
Hi Toshi, I think my script will build the 787 just fine (or am I missing something?) I believe the reason it wasn't included automatically in the past was because it didn't exist is CVS. Best regards, Curt. On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 11:49 AM, YOSHIMATSU Toshihide wrote: Hi Curt, I quickly

Re: [Flightgear-devel] configuration snafu

2010-02-05 Thread John Denker
On 02/05/2010 02:38 PM, Curtis Olson wrote: I don't doubt that there could be some lib vs. lib64 inconsistencies, but FilghtGear builds right out of the box for me on 64bit Fedora 12 ... no hitches at all that I recall and it has done so for quite some time. Chez moi plib and simgear install

Re: [Flightgear-devel] configuration snafu

2010-02-05 Thread Curtis Olson
On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 4:05 PM, John Denker wrote: Chez moi plib and simgear install into lib/ while osg installs into lib64/ How do you get around that? How do recommend I get around that? Obviously there are ways, but the only ways I know are complicated and devious ... not exactly

Re: [Flightgear-devel] configuration snafu

2010-02-05 Thread Martin Spott
John Denker wrote: Chez moi plib and simgear install into lib/ while osg installs into lib64/ How do you get around that? Either install OSG from your favourite distribution or build with -D LIB_POSTFIX= Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its

Re: [Flightgear-devel] configuration snafu

2010-02-05 Thread John Denker
On 02/05/2010 03:17 PM, Curtis Olson wrote: Do you have details of the configure or make error you are seeing posted somewhere? Yes. Please take a look at http://www.av8n.com/fly/fgfs/htm/bug-list.htm#bug-64bit As it says there: make[1]: Entering directory `/mnt/games/orig/fgs/tests' g++

Re: [Flightgear-devel] configuration snafu

2010-02-05 Thread Curtis Olson
How about ./configure --prefix=$parent Curt. On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 4:46 PM, John Denker j...@av8n.com wrote: On 02/05/2010 03:17 PM, Curtis Olson wrote: Do you have details of the configure or make error you are seeing posted somewhere? Yes. Please take a look at

Re: [Flightgear-devel] configuration snafu

2010-02-05 Thread Curtis Olson
And for whatever it's worth, I've been using the default paths for installing osg (i.e. not specifying any other prefix, I don't know if that is a key difference in our setups.) Curt. On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 5:22 PM, Curtis Olson wrote: How about ./configure --prefix=$parent Curt. On

Re: [Flightgear-devel] configuration snafu

2010-02-05 Thread Dale J. Chatham
I'm assuming a UNIX/Linux system. Does configure run clean? Look for libraries that it cannot find. If that's the problem, and if you're on a linux system, you'll need to tell configure where to find the libraries. I usually run: ./configure --help do.it Add comments before every line, then

Re: [Flightgear-devel] configuration snafu

2010-02-05 Thread Johnathan Van Why
Curtis Olson wrote: It has just worked for me so I have never dug in and tried to think about /lib vs. /lib64 with respect to FlightGear and it's dependencies. I'd like to add that Brisa's script (an automated compilation script for PLIB, OSG, SG, FG, FGCOM, and FGRun) makes a simlink,

[Flightgear-devel] configurator plebis

2010-02-05 Thread John Denker
Let summarize a few obvious points: 1) Everybody who is participating in this conversation is doing so in order to help ordinary non-expert users. None of use will directly benefit from any cleanup in the autoconfiguration scripts. Everybody on this list is an expert. We all figured out years

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [patch] 787-set.xml

2010-02-05 Thread YOSHIMATSU Toshihide
Hi Curt, Thanks for your reply. Certainly, at the release timing of v1.9.0, 787_02_2008.zip was built and have been distributed via ftp. But it was not included to the aircraft download page, because your make-aircraft-html.pl can't handle aircraft version which includes _ (underbar). Log of

Re: [Flightgear-devel] configurator plebis

2010-02-05 Thread Curtis Olson
This simply isn't the case as I have observed it. Everything compiles out of the box here. I have access to two 64 bit Linux machines. I run Fedora if that makes a difference. OSG, FlightGear, Simgear, plib go together without expert magic using the default configure paths. We could work to

Re: [Flightgear-devel] configurator plebis

2010-02-05 Thread John Denker
On 02/05/2010 06:43 PM, Curtis Olson wrote: This simply isn't the case as I have observed it. Everything compiles out of the box here. I have access to two 64 bit Linux machines. I run Fedora if that makes a difference. OSG, FlightGear, Simgear, plib go together without expert magic using

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Feedback ReleaseCandidate4

2010-02-05 Thread James Turner
On 5 Feb 2010, at 21:14, syd adams adams@gmail.com wrote: -VNAV only follows airports- but not any other Waypoints like VOR, NDB, fixes Only when frq turned to VOR VNAV shouldn't follow ANY waypoint ... so I'm assuming you mean LNAV . If I understand Jame's gps changes ... I should