Re: [fpc-pascal] FPC clean room project

2017-01-08 Thread Mark Morgan Lloyd
On 07/01/17 19:30, Lars wrote: On Fri, January 6, 2017 12:51 pm, Sven Barth wrote: Ehm... Delphi's compiler is written in C++, not Delphi as far as we know. Also their NEXTGEN compiler is utilizing LLVM, something we won't purely do. Yes the exe signature was c/c++ That does not forgive

Re: [fpc-pascal] FPC clean room project

2017-01-07 Thread Lars
On Fri, January 6, 2017 12:51 pm, Sven Barth wrote: > Ehm... Delphi's compiler is written in C++, not Delphi as far as we > know. Also their NEXTGEN compiler is utilizing LLVM, something we won't > purely do. Yes the exe signature was c/c++ That does not forgive copyright just because

Re: [fpc-pascal] FPC clean room project

2017-01-07 Thread Juha Manninen
On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 6:41 PM, Michael Schnell wrote: > Can you use the toolkit plus fpc to compile and run Delphi Firemonkey > application source code (after a decent amount of tweaking) ? No. You should continue a Firemonkey discussion in fpc-other list, as Tomas Hajny

Re: [fpc-pascal] FPC clean room project

2017-01-07 Thread Michael Schnell
On 06.01.2017 17:21, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: you can build hardware accelerated GUI applications using that toolkit. Not Really the point. Can you use the toolkit plus fpc to compile and run Delphi Firemonkey application source code (after a decent amount of tweaking) ? -Michael

Re: [fpc-pascal] FPC clean room project

2017-01-06 Thread Sven Barth
On 06.01.2017 16:44, Lars wrote: > On Tue, January 3, 2017 6:10 pm, Snorkl e wrote: >> They might with a change of ownership, who knows these days, but the >> fact they did use it in the past would not look good for any litigation >> from some bottom feeder. > > The fact that they use FPC, means

Re: [fpc-pascal] FPC clean room project

2017-01-06 Thread Tomas Hajny
] FPC clean room project From:"Lars" <nore...@z505.com> Date:Fri, January 6, 2017 17:27 To: "FPC-Pascal users discussions" <fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org> On Fri, January 6, 2017 9:21 am, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: > On 2017-01-06 16:14, Lars wr

Re: [fpc-pascal] FPC clean room project

2017-01-06 Thread Lars
On Fri, January 6, 2017 9:21 am, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: > On 2017-01-06 16:14, Lars wrote: > >> Okay but what's the point of it? to be able to compile firemonkey like >> applications without buying delphi? > > Yes, you can build hardware accelerated GUI applications using that > toolkit. >

Re: [fpc-pascal] FPC clean room project

2017-01-06 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On 2017-01-06 16:14, Lars wrote: > Okay but what's the point of it? to be able to compile firemonkey like > applications without buying delphi? Yes, you can build hardware accelerated GUI applications using that toolkit. Regards, Graeme -- fpGUI Toolkit - a cross-platform GUI toolkit using

Re: [fpc-pascal] FPC clean room project

2017-01-06 Thread Lars
On Fri, January 6, 2017 8:59 am, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: > On 2017-01-06 15:49, Lars wrote: > >> What does this product allow? >> > > CodeTyphon distributes the source code of Embarcadero's FireMonkey > predecessor (previously known as VG-Scene or something), but rebranded as > "Orca". Neither

Re: [fpc-pascal] FPC clean room project

2017-01-06 Thread Lars
On Tue, January 3, 2017 6:10 pm, Snorkl e wrote: > They might with a change of ownership, who knows these days, but the > fact they did use it in the past would not look good for any litigation > from some bottom feeder. The fact that they use FPC, means they likely reverse engineer FPC and

Re: [fpc-pascal] FPC clean room project

2017-01-06 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On 2017-01-06 15:49, Lars wrote: > What does this product allow? CodeTyphon distributes the source code of Embarcadero's FireMonkey predecessor (previously known as VG-Scene or something), but rebranded as "Orca". Neither FireMonkey or its predecessor is/was open source. Regards, Graeme --

Re: [fpc-pascal] FPC clean room project

2017-01-06 Thread Lars
On Thu, January 5, 2017 2:46 am, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: > I also know from first hand experience that Embarcadero has been made > aware of CodeTyphon's copying and distribution of FireMonkey (called Orca > or something in CodeTyphon). What does this product allow? Compilation of firemonkey

Re: [fpc-pascal] FPC clean room project

2017-01-06 Thread Lars
On Tue, January 3, 2017 5:47 am, Dmitriy Pomerantsev wrote: > Doesn't matter since FPC license allowing that. > > > Dmitriy Pomerantsev. Well, Kylix, AFAIR was actually released under GPL at one time too, so in a way delphi already allowed it too (although, more a LGPL would have really

Re: [fpc-pascal] FPC clean room project

2017-01-06 Thread Lars
On Sun, January 1, 2017 10:23 pm, Mr Bee wrote: > Hi all, > There's someone accusing that Free Pascal (and some parts of Lazarus) is > just a reverse engineering of Delphi. Even he said some codes of FPC/Laz > are taken from Delphi (and Kylix). This is a serious allegation. I know > that isn't

Re: [fpc-pascal] FPC clean room project

2017-01-05 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On 2017-01-02 22:07, Sven Barth wrote: > Not to mention that for a little while Embarcadero even used Free Pascal > for their iOS support before they had their own compiler. Exactly, and that probably makes all arguments moot in a court of law. Nevertheless, we all know FPC and Lazarus take

Re: [fpc-pascal] FPC clean room project

2017-01-04 Thread geneb
On Tue, 3 Jan 2017, Snorkl e wrote: They might with a change of ownership, who knows these days, but the fact they did use it in the past would not look good for any litigation from some bottom feeder. It's called "estoppel". g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The

Re: [fpc-pascal] FPC clean room project

2017-01-03 Thread Snorkl e
They might with a change of ownership, who knows these days, but the fact they did use it in the past would not look good for any litigation from some bottom feeder. On Jan 3, 2017 4:36 PM, "Sven Barth" wrote: > Am 03.01.2017 19:02 schrieb "Dmitriy Pomerantsev"

Re: [fpc-pascal] FPC clean room project

2017-01-03 Thread Sven Barth
Am 03.01.2017 19:02 schrieb "Dmitriy Pomerantsev" : > > Doesn't matter since FPC license allowing that. You don't get the point, do you? I don't think they'd use FPC themselves if they'd sue it the next time around. Regards, Sven ___

Re: [fpc-pascal] FPC clean room project

2017-01-03 Thread Dmitriy Pomerantsev
Doesn't matter since FPC license allowing that. Dmitriy Pomerantsev. 03.01.2017, 01:07, "Sven Barth" : > > Not to mention that for a little while Embarcadero even used Free Pascal for > their iOS support before they had their own compiler.

Re: [fpc-pascal] FPC clean room project

2017-01-02 Thread Snorkl e
Maybe it's Niklaus Wirth, could be he's broke and decided it's time to collect license fees like Microsoft does with Android LOL just kidding. On Jan 2, 2017 4:07 PM, "Sven Barth" wrote: Am 02.01.2017 19:15 schrieb "Santiago A." : >

Re: [fpc-pascal] FPC clean room project

2017-01-02 Thread Sven Barth
Am 02.01.2017 19:15 schrieb "Santiago A." : > Nevertheless, as someone has pointed, Embarcadero hasn't make any legal movement. Maybe because it thinks there is no legal base; or maybe because it doesn't care that much and thinks it's not worth the bad publicity. Not to

Re: [fpc-pascal] FPC clean room project

2017-01-02 Thread Karoly Balogh (Charlie/SGR)
Hi, On Mon, 2 Jan 2017, Santiago A. wrote: > Well, I think it's evident  that Freepascal and lazarus tries to be > delphi compatible, and that means that must look close to delphi to > imitate it's behavior and syntax. > > Is that reverse engineering? Well, I'm not a lawyer, I don't know where >

Re: [fpc-pascal] FPC clean room project

2017-01-02 Thread Santiago A.
El 02/01/2017 a las 6:23, Mr Bee escribió: > Hi all, > > There's someone accusing that Free Pascal (and some parts of Lazarus) > is just a reverse engineering of Delphi. Even he said some codes of > FPC/Laz are taken from Delphi (and Kylix). This is a serious allegation. > > I know that isn't

Re: [fpc-pascal] FPC clean room project

2017-01-02 Thread Snorkl e
My question is why does this person even care to make such accusations? For one some of the routines in the run time are extremely generic and could easily be written exactly the same way and only way to prove it is if comments made by original coder are still in place. Sounds like a waste of

Re: [fpc-pascal] FPC clean room project

2017-01-02 Thread geneb
On Mon, 2 Jan 2017, Mr Bee wrote: Hi all, There's someone accusing that Free Pascal (and some parts of Lazarus) is just a reverse engineering of Delphi. Even he said some codes of FPC/Laz are taken from Delphi (and Kylix). This is a serious allegation. I know that isn't true. Or is it? ;) Can

Re: [fpc-pascal] FPC clean room project

2017-01-02 Thread Marco van de Voort
In our previous episode, Mr Bee said: > There's someone accusing that Free Pascal (and some parts of Lazarus) is just > a reverse engineering of Delphi. Even he said some codes of FPC/Laz are taken > from Delphi (and Kylix). This is a serious allegation. > I know that isn't true. Or is it? ;)

Re: [fpc-pascal] FPC clean room project

2017-01-02 Thread Mattias Gaertner
On Mon, 2 Jan 2017 05:23:06 + (UTC) Mr Bee wrote: > Hi all, > There's someone accusing that Free Pascal (and some parts of Lazarus) is just > a reverse engineering of Delphi. FPC runs on 80 platforms. Delphi only runs on MS Windows 32/64 and can cross compile to a few

Re: [fpc-pascal] FPC clean room project

2017-01-02 Thread Jürgen Hestermann
Am 2017-01-02 um 06:23 schrieb Mr Bee: > There's someone accusing that Free Pascal (and some parts of Lazarus) is just a reverse engineering of Delphi. Even he said some codes of FPC/Laz are taken from Delphi (and Kylix). This is a serious allegation. > I know that isn't true. Or is it? ;) >