Re: [fpc-pascal] Food for thought - language string improvement

Am 10.07.2017 um 15:00 schrieb Sven Barth via fpc-pascal: > Am 10.07.2017 13:19 schrieb "Michael Van Canneyt" > >: >> >> >> >> On Mon, 10 Jul 2017, Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho wrote: >> >>> On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 1:08 PM, Michael Van Canneyt

Re: [fpc-pascal] Food for thought - language string improvement

On 2017-07-08 08:29, Ched wrote: Is this acceptable ? 'SELECT Customers.CustomerName, Orders.OrderID' + 'FROM Customers' + 'FULL OUTER JOIN Orders' + 'ON Customers.CustomerID = Orders.CustomerID' + 'ORDER BY Customers.CustomerName;' I think that one have to insert space at some loactions:

Re: [fpc-pascal] Food for thought - language string improvement

On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 11:19 AM, Sven Barth via fpc-pascal < fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org> wrote: > Though you can't use the same code block for multiple types. > Structured development to the rescue :) === program project1; {$mode delphi} {$RANGECHECKS on} uses SysUtils; function

Re: [fpc-pascal] Food for thought - language string improvement

Am 10.07.2017 15:46 schrieb "Graeme Geldenhuys" < mailingli...@geldenhuys.co.uk>: > > On 2017-07-10 13:34, Dmitry Boyarintsev wrote: >> >> are you referring to "Catching More Than One Type of Exception with One >> Exception Handler" in >>

Re: [fpc-pascal] Food for thought - language string improvement

On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 9:46 AM, Graeme Geldenhuys < mailingli...@geldenhuys.co.uk> wrote: > On 2017-07-10 13:34, Dmitry Boyarintsev wrote: > >> are you referring to "Catching More Than One Type of Exception with One >> Exception Handler" in >>

Re: [fpc-pascal] Food for thought - language string improvement

On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 3:46 PM, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: > Then lastly, you can even add a finally block in there too (Java calls this > try-with-resources). No, that's not what try-with-resources is. This is try-with-resources:

Re: [fpc-pascal] Food for thought - language string improvement

On 2017-07-10 14:46, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: You can also have a single catch block with a comma separated list of exception types. Oops, typo Not a comma separated list, but a list separated by the | (pipe or vertical bar) symbol. See the last example here:

Re: [fpc-pascal] Food for thought - language string improvement

On 2017-07-10 13:34, Dmitry Boyarintsev wrote: are you referring to "Catching More Than One Type of Exception with One Exception Handler" in https://docs.oracle.com/javase/tutorial/essential/exceptions/catch.html Yes. You can have multiple catch blocks inside the same try block. You can also

Re: [fpc-pascal] Food for thought - language string improvement

Am 10.07.2017 13:19 schrieb "Michael Van Canneyt" : > > > > On Mon, 10 Jul 2017, Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho wrote: > >> On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 1:08 PM, Michael Van Canneyt >> wrote: >>> >>> The code is definitely not the same. In each case, it was

Re: [fpc-pascal] Food for thought - language string improvement

On Mon, 10 Jul 2017, Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho wrote: On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 1:08 PM, Michael Van Canneyt wrote: The code is definitely not the same. In each case, it was measured. There is a 10% performance loss. I'd love a source on this one. I guess you mean

Re: [fpc-pascal] Food for thought - language string improvement

On Mon, 10 Jul 2017, Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho wrote: On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 12:52 PM, Michael Van Canneyt wrote: There is no performance improvement, rather the contrary. The generic list works slower than the native list. I meant that C++ templates (and maybe

Re: [fpc-pascal] Food for thought - language string improvement

On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 12:52 PM, Michael Van Canneyt wrote: > There is no performance improvement, rather the contrary. The generic list > works slower than the native list. I meant that C++ templates (and maybe Pascal generics which are very similar if I am not wrong)

Re: [fpc-pascal] Food for thought - language string improvement

On Mon, 10 Jul 2017, Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho wrote: On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 12:14 PM, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: * I seem to have grasped Generics in Java much easier than in FPC or Delphi. I don't fully know why that is. Maybe the syntax, more examples etc?

Re: [fpc-pascal] Food for thought - language string improvement

On Mon, 10 Jul 2017, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: On 2017-07-10 07:30, Michael Van Canneyt wrote: If that is all, on the language side, I am a happy man :) I did mention that it was purposely a small list Let me give you a counter example why I think Java plainly sucks. I get very

Re: [fpc-pascal] Food for thought - language string improvement

On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 12:14 PM, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: > * I seem to have grasped Generics in Java much easier than in FPC or > Delphi. I don't fully know why that is. Maybe the syntax, more examples etc? > Not sure. Well, Java Generics are very limited in

Re: [fpc-pascal] Food for thought - language string improvement

On 2017-07-10 07:30, Michael Van Canneyt wrote: If that is all, on the language side, I am a happy man :) I did mention that it was purposely a small list Let me give you a counter example why I think Java plainly sucks. I get very depressed when I see things like this: You do realise

Re: [fpc-pascal] Food for thought - language string improvement

Please do. And to that hero who is willing to take the effort - please post a call for donation in a separate thread :) 10.07.2017, 13:06, "Michael Van Canneyt" : > On Mon, 10 Jul 2017, denisgolovan wrote: > >>  That's exactly what I mean - some (or major) part of public

Re: [fpc-pascal] Food for thought - language string improvement

On Mon, 10 Jul 2017, denisgolovan wrote: That's exactly what I mean - some (or major) part of public considers it a stopper for some reason :) Sorry for hijacking the thread. I can add it to the list of sponsored projects on the foundation page. Michael.

Re: [fpc-pascal] Food for thought - language string improvement

That's exactly what I mean - some (or major) part of public considers it a stopper for some reason :) Sorry for hijacking the thread. 10.07.2017, 12:43, "Santiago A." : > El 10/07/2017 a las 11:17, denisgolovan escribió: > It is not a matter of public image, it's a matter

Re: [fpc-pascal] Food for thought - language string improvement

El 10/07/2017 a las 11:17, denisgolovan escribió: > Just my 50 cents. > > Even though I avoid using debugger at all cost, > I am willing to donate some money should someone start a crowd-funding effort > to get "modern" debugging support in Lazarus. > That would definitely improve Lazarus/FPC

Re: [fpc-pascal] Food for thought - language string improvement

Just my 50 cents. Even though I avoid using debugger at all cost, I am willing to donate some money should someone start a crowd-funding effort to get "modern" debugging support in Lazarus. That would definitely improve Lazarus/FPC public image. -- Regards, Denis Golovan

Re: [fpc-pascal] Food for thought - language string improvement

El 10/07/2017 a las 1:32, Graeme Geldenhuys escribió: > Hi, > > I've give a short reply here, in case others deem this off-topic. I > always seem to end up in hot water about such stuff here. I can send > you more details in private if need be. > > On 2017-07-09 22:16, Michael Van Canneyt wrote:

Re: [fpc-pascal] Food for thought - language string improvement

On Mon, 10 Jul 2017, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: Hi, Purely on the language side of things I love the fact that there is no *.h or an "interface section" in my code - why must C/C++ and Object Pascal duplicate that information. If I want to see a purely "interface" view of my code, the

Re: [fpc-pascal] Food for thought - language string improvement

Hi, I've give a short reply here, in case others deem this off-topic. I always seem to end up in hot water about such stuff here. I can send you more details in private if need be. On 2017-07-09 22:16, Michael Van Canneyt wrote: Would it be possible to give examples ? Maybe there are things

Re: [fpc-pascal] Food for thought - language string improvement

On Sun, 9 Jul 2017, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: On 2017-07-08 07:57, Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho wrote: Since we are talking about language features, after learning Java I think we could use in Pascal: I must say, after using Java more and more in recent months, it starts to show why so many

Re: [fpc-pascal] Food for thought - language string improvement

On 2017-07-08 07:57, Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho wrote: Since we are talking about language features, after learning Java I think we could use in Pascal: I must say, after using Java more and more in recent months, it starts to show why so many developers call Delphi/Object Pascal out of

Re: [fpc-pascal] Food for thought - language string improvement

On 2017-07-06 17:52, Marco van de Voort wrote: ''' already has meaning, you'll see that The 3 quotes were simply an idea. You correctly identified that it is already used is some special cases, so then simply replace it with some other unique syntax that is not used yet. As Z505 mentioned,

Re: [fpc-pascal] Food for thought - language string improvement

> Language features like this is what increases productivity. Indeed {$INCLUDESTRINGFILE file} looks like a great solution for this. Since we are talking about language features, after learning Java I think we could use in Pascal: 1> Default methods in interfaces (implementation

Re: [fpc-pascal] Food for thought - language string improvement

On 2017-07-06 09:13, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: Ever had a problem like this? You have some SQL, say: SELECT Customers.CustomerName, Orders.OrderID FROM Customers FULL OUTER JOIN Orders ON Customers.CustomerID = Orders.CustomerID ORDER BY Customers.CustomerName; and you want to add that SQL to

Re: [fpc-pascal] Food for thought - language string improvement

Am 06.07.2017 23:34 schrieb "Graeme Geldenhuys" < mailingli...@geldenhuys.co.uk>: > > On 2017-07-06 20:07, Dmitry Boyarintsev wrote: >> >> The thread of discussion: >> http://lists.freepascal.org/pipermail/fpc-devel/2016-February/036709.html > > > > Thanks for the link. Seems this topic has

Re: [fpc-pascal] Food for thought - language string improvement

On Thu, 6 Jul 2017, Sven Barth via fpc-pascal wrote: On 06.07.2017 16:13, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: Imagine if FPC had type inference and multi-line strings, neither very exotic features. The code then becomes: = var query := '''SELECT

Re: [fpc-pascal] Food for thought - language string improvement

On 2017-07-06 20:07, Dmitry Boyarintsev wrote: The thread of discussion: http://lists.freepascal.org/pipermail/fpc-devel/2016-February/036709.html Thanks for the link. Seems this topic has already been discussed a year and a bit ago. Anybody know if there was any movement on the

Re: [fpc-pascal] Food for thought - language string improvement

On 06/07/17 20:00, Sven Barth via fpc-pascal wrote: On 06.07.2017 16:13, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote:> Imagine if FPC had type inference and multi-line strings, neither very> exotic features. The code then becomes:> > => var query := '''SELECT

Re: [fpc-pascal] Food for thought - language string improvement

On 06.07.2017 16:13, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: > Imagine if FPC had type inference and multi-line strings, neither very > exotic features. The code then becomes: > > = > var query := '''SELECT Customers.CustomerName, Orders.OrderID > FROM Customers > FULL

Re: [fpc-pascal] Food for thought - language string improvement

On Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 10:27 AM, Marcos Douglas B. Santos wrote: > That would be very, very nice. > And instead of using [ " ' sql ' " ] would be better to use just [ " sql " > ]. > The thread of discussion:

Re: [fpc-pascal] Food for thought - language string improvement

Am 06.07.2017 um 18:32 schrieb Andreas: For this reason I would be against this implementation. Maybe taking away the need for the + sign at the end of the line. The strings are concatenated until a semi-colon or other symbol is encountered This is what the (new) Stanford Pascal compiler

Re: [fpc-pascal] Food for thought - language string improvement

In our previous episode, Graeme Geldenhuys said: > > Imagine if FPC had type inference and multi-line strings, neither very > exotic features. The code then becomes: > > = > var query := '''SELECT Customers.CustomerName, Orders.OrderID > FROM Customers >

Re: [fpc-pascal] Food for thought - language string improvement

Hi, On Thu, 6 Jul 2017, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: > On 2017-07-06 15:35, Karoly Balogh (Charlie/SGR) wrote: > > But sure, web devs are well known for their productivity... :P > > Just in case you thought I was a web developer - far from it! > > Anyway, the idea was just that - an idea (and

Re: [fpc-pascal] Food for thought - language string improvement

Graeme, I am a big fan of your messages. You have many good ideas and I sometimes read a theme that I am not interested in just to see your response. In this case however I think you are wrong. Pascal has fantastic inherent type and error checking in its structure. It would be wrong to have

Re: [fpc-pascal] Food for thought - language string improvement

On 2017-07-06 15:35, Karoly Balogh (Charlie/SGR) wrote: But sure, web devs are well known for their productivity... :P Just in case you thought I was a web developer - far from it! Anyway, the idea was just that - an idea (and possibly an improvement) on an age old problem. I have no means

Re: [fpc-pascal] Food for thought - language string improvement

Hi, On Thu, 6 Jul 2017, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: > Imagine if FPC had type inference and multi-line strings, neither very > exotic features. The code then becomes: > > = > var query := '''SELECT Customers.CustomerName, Orders.OrderID > FROM Customers >

Re: [fpc-pascal] Food for thought - language string improvement

On Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 11:13 AM, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: > > Imagine if FPC had type inference and multi-line strings, neither very exotic > features. The code then becomes: > > = > var query := '''SELECT