Re: [Freedos-user] Quickview ver 2.60

2014-12-02 Thread Matej Horvat
On Tue, 02 Dec 2014 06:44:52 +0100, Thomas Mueller mueller6...@twc.com wrote: from Rugxulo: One of the big problems (not counting HTML5 or Javascript or Flash) is HTTPS. Not just for DOS but for any OS that isn't top tier (big three: Mac, Win, Linux). On DOS, Dillo and Links support

Re: [Freedos-user] Quickview ver 2.60

2014-12-02 Thread Don Flowers
I have used the boot manager from XFdisk or Grub 2 and have installed FreeDOS on the 2nd, 3rd and/or last partition following the three (root, home swap) that the ubuntu derivatives require. The the minimum FreeDOS FAT32 partition I have used is 4GB, the max is about 40gb (on a 320gb drive) the

Re: [Freedos-user] Quickview ver 2.60

2014-12-02 Thread Dale E Sterner
FAT16 is limited to 8 gigs but FAT32 goes much higher. I kinda remember Wikopedia saying 2T but could easily be wrong. DOS might have problems with SATA drive. DOS reads from the harddrive a lot. Since SATA is serial (just one bit at a time) The data ransfer rate might be too slow for DOS to live

Re: [Freedos-user] Quickview ver 2.60

2014-12-02 Thread Tom Ehlert
DOS might have problems with SATA drive. DOS reads from the harddrive a lot. Since SATA is serial (just one bit at a time) The data ransfer rate might be too slow for DOS to live with. I know I can't get it to run on a SD card because one bit at a time is just too slow. back in the good old

Re: [Freedos-user] Quickview ver 2.60

2014-12-02 Thread dmccunney
On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 9:33 AM, Dale E Sterner sunbeam...@juno.com wrote: FAT16 is limited to 8 gigs but FAT32 goes much higher. I kinda remember Wikopedia saying 2T but could easily be wrong. FAT16 is limited to a 2GB volume size. FAT32 goes up to 8TB. In FAT*, the basic unit of space it

Re: [Freedos-user] Quickview ver 2.60

2014-12-02 Thread Mateusz Viste
This is getting highly off-topic, but I couldn't resist commenting on. :) On 12/02/2014 05:02 PM, dmccunney wrote: FAT32 uses a 32 bit cluster address, so there are 268,435,445 possible clusters. The above statement might sound confusing for the occasional reader. To straighten things up:

Re: [Freedos-user] Quickview ver 2.60

2014-12-02 Thread dmccunney
On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 11:13 AM, Mateusz Viste mate...@viste.fr wrote: This is getting highly off-topic, but I couldn't resist commenting on. :) On 12/02/2014 05:02 PM, dmccunney wrote: FAT32 uses a 32 bit cluster address, so there are 268,435,445 possible clusters. The above statement

[Freedos-user] Quickview 2.60 (digressions)

2014-12-02 Thread Jose Antonio Senna
On the matter of browsers for DOS, Lynx, which I am using now, supports https and has done so for 10+ years. What is not available in any DOS browser is javascript. Much of javascript in web pages is to load and reload advertising, which I don't miss at all. However, the (action) in many html

Re: [Freedos-user] Quickview ver 2.60

2014-12-02 Thread Dale E Sterner
Serial devices are always slow; I don't know how they get around it. SD cards are serial like SATA and they really are slow. The hard drive clock must be super fast to get those speeds. They also have to transfer handshakes serially. I wonder how its done. Some really great engineering there.

Re: [Freedos-user] Quickview ver 2.60

2014-12-02 Thread Dale E Sterner
Tranferings 1 bit at a time is always slower than 8 bits at a time. if the clock stays the same for both. How SATA beats this is something I don't understand. SATA doesn't have seperate handshaking outputs so handshkes have to travel the same serial lines. Quit a feat of engineering there. When I

Re: [Freedos-user] Quickview ver 2.60

2014-12-02 Thread dmccunney
On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 8:18 PM, Dale E Sterner sunbeam...@juno.com wrote: Tranferings 1 bit at a time is always slower than 8 bits at a time. if the clock stays the same for both. How SATA beats this is something I don't understand. SATA doesn't have seperate handshaking outputs so handshkes

Re: [Freedos-user] Quickview ver 2.60

2014-12-02 Thread Dale E Sterner
I can think of only 2 ways an engineer can get those speeds out of a serial device. A very fast clock or big external buffers. I think DOS could handle a fast clock but if they use buffers; DOS may not know how to use them like windows or Linux. I never used SATA so I can't say. You would be in

Re: [Freedos-user] Quickview 2.60 (digressions)

2014-12-02 Thread Rugxulo
Hi, On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 2:18 PM, Jose Antonio Senna jasse...@vivointernetdiscada.com.br wrote: On the matter of browsers for DOS, Lynx, which I am using now, supports https and has done so for 10+ years. What is not available in any DOS browser is javascript. Much of javascript in web

Re: [Freedos-user] Quickview ver 2.60

2014-12-02 Thread TJ Edmister
On Tue, 02 Dec 2014 21:13:59 -0500, Dale E Sterner sunbeam...@juno.com wrote: I can think of only 2 ways an engineer can get those speeds out of a serial device. A very fast clock or big external buffers. I think DOS could handle a fast clock It is a very fast clock, 1.5 GHz and beyond. It

Re: [Freedos-user] Quickview ver 2.60

2014-12-02 Thread TJ Edmister
On Tue, 02 Dec 2014 07:55:59 -0500, Matej Horvat matej.hor...@guest.arnes.si wrote: On Tue, 02 Dec 2014 06:44:52 +0100, Thomas Mueller mueller6...@twc.com wrote: from Rugxulo: One of the big problems (not counting HTML5 or Javascript or Flash) is HTTPS. Not just for DOS but for any OS