Re: [FRIAM] THREAD BENDING ALERT: Was "Is Bezos a Bozo?" IS NOW"Reading Email exchanges chronologically"

Eric, I never knew we were working in WAVE. I just knew I was grateful for the help you were giving me ordering my thoughts. I will look into it. Is it capable of reconstructing a thread after the fact, or is it a system for creating threads that can be reconstructed? Nick

Re: [FRIAM] THREAD BENDING ALERT: Was "Is Bezos a Bozo?" IS NOW"Reading Email exchanges chronologically"

Not to burst bubbles Isn't this one of the challenges that Google Wave was intended to solve? Admittedly, Wave isn't a way to fix old email threads, but if "turning email threads into documents" was a common desire, Wave would have been more popular.

Re: [FRIAM] THREAD BENDING ALERT: Was "Is Bezos a Bozo?" IS NOW"Reading Email exchanges chronologically"

On October 28, 2016 7:28:22 PM PDT, Owen Densmore wrote: >Sorry to be pedestrian, but how about the OP's desire to convert >thread(s) >into posts/correspondence? But that was my point in mentioning a tree threaded mail reader, especially an open source one. It should be a

Re: [FRIAM] THREAD BENDING ALERT: Was "Is Bezos a Bozo?" IS NOW"Reading Email exchanges chronologically"

Marcus, I have great sympathy for the notion that there is too much writing and too much publication [and too little reading.] I have often wondered how the academic world would be transformed if each of us were issued with our PhD one hundred blank pages with the understanding that

Re: [FRIAM] THREAD BENDING ALERT: Was "Is Bezos a Bozo?" IS NOW"Reading Email exchanges chronologically"

I am of two minds on this (Marcus' point about too much thin, incremental, even vapid publication) I can't possibly keep up with the publications that might be of direct relevance to my work, much less within my scope of interest and am sometimes frustrated with the sheer volume and the

Re: [FRIAM] THREAD BENDING ALERT: Was "Is Bezos a Bozo?" IS NOW"Reading Email exchanges chronologically"

I'm pretty sure the best a program could do is clean up and sequence the conversation. There is definitely a man-in-the-middle .. this software would augment your task but not complete it. -- Owen On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 11:58 PM, Nick Thompson wrote: > Hi, Owen,

Re: [FRIAM] THREAD BENDING ALERT: Was "Is Bezos a Bozo?" IS NOW"Reading Email exchanges chronologically"

Nick, Personally, I think there are too many meetings and proceedings of same. There are too many thin papers where it obviously isn't possible to reproduce the result without a lot more context, and where the authors assume already having a lot of knowledge most readers won't have (even

Re: [FRIAM] THREAD BENDING ALERT: Was "Is Bezos a Bozo?" IS NOW"Reading Email exchanges chronologically"

Hi, Owen, and all, You have me right. There’s a big difference between entertaining a question – noodling, if you will – and demanding an answer. Confession time: I come from a world in which success is measured out in published writing. That’s not the only world, but it’s a

Re: [FRIAM] THREAD BENDING ALERT: Was "Is Bezos a Bozo?" IS NOW"Reading Email exchanges chronologically"

Sorry to be pedestrian, but how about the OP's desire to convert thread(s) into posts/correspondence? I take Nick seriously here, it has been his goal from the beginning, right? -- Owen On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 5:56 PM, Steven A Smith wrote: > Glen - > > I am a

Re: [FRIAM] THREAD BENDING ALERT: Was "Is Bezos a Bozo?" IS NOW"Reading Email exchanges chronologically"

Glen, With a thread of any complexity it all, it becomes very tedious and tricky. However, you are right that just a few conventions observed by email writers could make it a lot easier. Let's say you began every one of your messages with" BEGIN GLEN" (just above the header) and

Re: [FRIAM] THREAD BENDING ALERT: Was "Is Bezos a Bozo?" IS NOW"Reading Email exchanges chronologically"

Glen - I am a Mozilla/Tbird Man myself but am used to many people clinging to very oldschool text-only (or worse?) mail tools. I also don't have any trouble sorting the complexity of comment/response/inlining/inclusion in my head for the most part, but that is how my head works... I think

Re: [FRIAM] THREAD BENDING ALERT: Was "Is Bezos a Bozo?" IS NOW"Reading Email exchanges chronologically"

For the TL;DR crowd, a summary of my last response might be as simple as "I am wanting" == Idle Speculation "I want" == Statement of Intent On 10/28/16 4:45 PM, glen ☣ wrote: On 10/28/2016 03:10 PM, Steven A Smith wrote: I've always assumed everyone else's does too... So, when one

Re: [FRIAM] THREAD BENDING ALERT: Was "Is Bezos a Bozo?" IS NOW"Reading Email exchanges chronologically"

That's why I recommend trying it by hand on a thread of interest. Basically this is a form of "storyboarding", look at the sequence of steps needed for the desired "correspondence". The fine details emerge and help set the direction of the project more clearly. -- Owen On Fri, Oct 28, 2016

Re: [FRIAM] THREAD BENDING ALERT: Was "Is Bezos a Bozo?" IS NOW"Reading Email exchanges chronologically"

At the very minimum, nick wants to take an email exchange and render it as a "correspondence", in the classic literary sense: i.e., in the order in which it was written. Because all the messages would be on the page in front of you, no quotation would be necessary, except possibly in the case of

Re: [FRIAM] THREAD BENDING ALERT: Was "Is Bezos a Bozo?" IS NOW"Reading Email exchanges chronologically"

Glen - Just to help ensure my sanity, my email subject window looks like this: https://goo.gl/photos/thJWHVxy8cfPv3Qq7 I've always assumed everyone else's does too... So, when one looks at the content of a mailing list like this, they can _see_ trees of threads, right? If not, I highly

Re: [FRIAM] THREAD BENDING ALERT: Was "Is Bezos a Bozo?" IS NOW"Reading Email exchanges chronologically"

Marcus - What a wonderfully cryptic yet compelling explanation/example? Are you suggesting a certain grandiosity? Or another way of alluding to the ambiguity I am suggesting? Or perhaps an emotional wanting vs a more intellectual wanting? "Enquiring megalo-minds are wanting to

Re: [FRIAM] THREAD BENDING ALERT: Was "Is Bezos a Bozo?" IS NOW"Reading Email exchanges chronologically"

<> Read: "I am large I contain multitudes." Like, say, an amygdala and a frontal cortex, the latter remarking on the

Re: [FRIAM] THREAD BENDING ALERT: Was "Is Bezos a Bozo?" IS NOW"Reading Email exchanges chronologically"

On 10/28/2016 02:00 PM, Steven A Smith wrote: The biggest challenge (I think) to leaving all the text included (other than just text/data bloat) is that many of us aren't responding to the entire linear text of every response that came before... we are often responding only to part of it which

Re: [FRIAM] THREAD BENDING ALERT: Was "Is Bezos a Bozo?" IS NOW"Reading Email exchanges chronologically"

In reaction to Nick's question, I re-installed VM (https://launchpad.net/vm), which I used to use. I think you used gnus, but maybe RMAIL... I used to generate digests to store or forward various threads and such back when I used VM. It doesn't seem to work the way I remember it, though. I

Re: [FRIAM] THREAD BENDING ALERT: Was "Is Bezos a Bozo?" IS NOW"Reading Email exchanges chronologically"

"... to standardize things across email clients (e.g. the quotation prefix and "quote" line, plain text vs. html, character encodings)?" My favorite is that Outlook's re-encoding of :-) shows up as the letter J. That kind of defeats the original purpose of text art -- that it is portable

Re: [FRIAM] THREAD BENDING ALERT: Was "Is Bezos a Bozo?" IS NOW"Reading Email exchanges chronologically"

Let's think about what you're asking for a minute. There are very few on the list who care to spend the energy to participate at all. such lurkers undoubtedly have valuable opinions. But there's some hurdle of effort (or unwillingness) that prevents them from expressing those opinions. Of

Re: [FRIAM] THREAD BENDING ALERT: Was "Is Bezos a Bozo?" IS NOW"Reading Email exchanges chronologically"

Here's an idea, to help clarify the discussion. Could you choose a thread you like and try to make an article or post from it? That'd give us an idea of your goal. There are a lot of possibilities, I think. -- Owen On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 11:03 PM, Nick Thompson

Re: [FRIAM] THREAD BENDING ALERT: Was "Is Bezos a Bozo?" IS NOW"Reading Email exchanges chronologically"

“I have gotten involved in email exchanges on FRIAM and elsewhere that were so good that I wanted to save them in chronological order and perhaps edit them into some kind of text for the authors to present elsewhere.” If you think there is value in some discussion, a better thing to do IMO is

Re: [FRIAM] THREAD BENDING ALERT: Was "Is Bezos a Bozo?" IS NOW"Reading Email exchanges chronologically"

Hi Owen, Hi everybody, Oh, I love it when you-guys talk dirty. My citizen imagination LEAPS to the idea of a vanilla welcome. And a popup that offers incognito, Oh MAN! I would eat that pop-up and wander the streets of Santa Fe as invisible as a ghost. Or is that a pop-over? Is

Re: [FRIAM] THREAD BENDING ALERT: Was "Is Bezos a Bozo?" IS NOW"Reading Email exchanges chronologically"

Oh, forgot: Techies who beam into medium should use an incognito window so that it shows its vanilla welcome page, not one based on your internet profile. Maybe true for all of us. Chrome: click on the url with the ctl key down and a popup will offer incognito as an option. -- Owen On Thu,

Re: [FRIAM] THREAD BENDING ALERT: Was "Is Bezos a Bozo?" IS NOW"Reading Email exchanges chronologically"

I'm sure there is a reasonable solution, but would require effort, an editorial role. ​If you do start putting snippets together, I'd recommend https://medium.com/ as the site to use. It's outlook is less bloggy and more chatty, yet your posts can be organized under your name or a tag. They also

Re: [FRIAM] THREAD BENDING ALERT: Was "Is Bezos a Bozo?" IS NOW"Reading Email exchanges chronologically"

Nick -- Look at https://storify.com/ -- rec -- On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 10:03 PM, Nick Thompson wrote: > Dear everybody, > > > > On several occasions, this one included, I have gotten involved in email > exchanges on FRIAM and elsewhere that were so good that I