A few more months fighting it out in the courts would be just peachy -- :-(
-- give me an uncontested victory one way or the other.
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Interesting read. Sometimes we wonder why other peoples voting decisions are
fundamentally different from ours even if all good reasons speak against it.
Are they backward
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Interesting read. Sometimes we wonder why other peoples voting decisions are
fundamentally different from ours even if all good reasons speak against
Densmore
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 1:54 PM
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More parties? I'm for it! :)
But seriously, one question on fair voting: when you vote, can you vote
for multiple candidates in priority
are? Have you
ever sat in on a political discussion in which anybody ever changed his or
her mind? How did that happen?
Nick
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Nick -
I really like the instant run=off. Or any run-off, for that matter.
Forces people to snuggle with people they don't like.
I do like run-offs, but more so that I can vote *first* for my preferred
candidate and *second* for the lesser of evils and get a more diverse
pot of ideals,
I watched an interesting video interview with three British bookies who run
online political betting markets the other day. They agreed that there had
been concerted attempts to skew the markets to favor Romney, all of which
had been eaten alive in short order by bettors happy to take the Obama
A surprising number of my left wing-nut acquaintances on Facebook
castigated me for having voted for Gary, claiming that I was giving away a
vote to Romney.
I repeatedly, patiently explained, No, I'm taking away a vote for Obama,
and I'm taking away a vote for Romney, and I've giving it to Gary.
that happen? Nick
From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of
Jochen Fromm Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 3:20 PM To:
friam@redfish.com mailto:friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM]
The Presidential Election Interesting read. Sometimes we wonder
why other peoples
Yeah, because that never backfires: Ralph Nader, Florida, 2000.
On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 2:46 PM, Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.netwrote:
snip
Also, and primarily, that vote was a statement against the two party
system.
FRIAM
Well, ok, then. The PRIMARY primary objective in voting for Johnson was
that I did not end up voting for a candidate who was so arrogant as to blow
off the preparations for the first debate that his advisers were
requesting, and who instead took a vacation day before that first debate.
And then,
Of Jochen Fromm
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Interesting read. Sometimes we wonder why other peoples voting decisions are
fundamentally different from ours even if all good reasons speak against
Concerning multiple parties: In 1960, just after college, I studied in
Italy for a year. I thought it be would so great to have multiple parties
that stood for something, because the two US parties looked like Tweedledum
and Tweedledee (not the problem we have now, obviously). Then I saw the
very
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Nick -
I really like the instant run=off. Or any run-off, for that matter. Forces
people to snuggle with people they don't like.
I do like run-offs, but more so that I can vote *first* for my preferred
candidate and *second
The only problem with that, Nick, is that he wouldn't be in charge, any more
than George W. Bush was in charge, the decider, etc. I think Romney's whole
campaign shows this. He's a plaything of The Interests. I immediately got your
reference to the possibility of a Bork-directed set of Supreme
.
Nick
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Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 8:24 PM
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The only problem with that, Nick, is that he wouldn't be in charge
As much as we think we know what each candidate stands for and would do
under unforeseen events (Katrina, 9/11, Superstorm Sandy), presidential
historians believe the times shape the presidency.
One good example: Clinton was a master of many arts, but he was the prime
mover of the eventual
I have the impression that the list has become a bit quiet in the last
weeks. Are you involved in a campaign for one of the candidates? New
Mexico is a blue state, so most of you will be for President Obama. For
a European, it is hard to understand why one would make a different
choice
XKCD has a nice graphic about the red/blue history of the congress which
shows the impacts of various events
http://www.xkcd.com/1127/
I have heard that in some states (Nebraska for instance) some people
really fear that their souls go straight to hell if they vote for the
democrats,
Jochen,
I was deep intrigued by the more detailed maps that were produced to
go along with the 2008 elections. I suspect Pinker is trying to explain a not
real phenomenon (such is often my impression with Pinker, but that's another
discussion). Take for example the purple graph at the bottom of
Even more backwards than you make it sound; that's how backwards this
country is.
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On Nov 3, 2012 12:48 PM, Jochen Fromm j...@cas-group.net wrote:
XKCD has a nice graphic about the red/blue history of the congress which
shows the impacts of various events
Perhaps Gary Johnson would be an interesting alternative. Although there
is nothing better than Obama in my opinion: his humble beginnings are
the proof that America is not ruled by a small number of super rich
families.
-J.
Am 03.11.2012 20:04, schrieb ERIC P. CHARLES:
Jochen,
I was
Oh, so you're a Romney supporter?
On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 1:04 PM, ERIC P. CHARLES e...@psu.edu wrote:
snip
P.S. I have a nice Gary Johnson sign outside my house.
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Here's how backward the conservative heart of america beats:
http://www.thebaffler.com/past/the_long_con
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Well, as someone who grew up in Nebraska and up until recently visited
several times a year, I don't think its as weird a place as you
portray. The social networks formed in part from the state's rural
origins, fallout from and reaction to politics (e.g. populist revolt,
you could look it
I was surprised how complex the voting here was! We just early-voted after
looking at the ballot,
http://www.santafecountynm.gov/userfiles/Pct_48.2.pdf
and checking the usual suspects (League of Women Voters, SF New Mexican).
On one close call we even checked out a video between the two
Interesting read. Sometimes we wonder why other peoples voting decisions
are fundamentally different from ours even if all good reasons speak
against it. Are they backward or brainwashed? Jonathan Haidt has written
a book named The Righteous Mind where he argues that people don't
really listen
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] The Presidential Election
Interesting read. Sometimes we wonder why other peoples voting decisions are
fundamentally different from ours even if all good reasons speak against it.
Are they backward or brainwashed? Jonathan Haidt has written a book named
The Righteous Mind where
that happen?
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Interesting read. Sometimes we wonder why
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