Re: [FRIAM] sometimes an onion is just an onion...

"All thought is in signs" C. S. Peirce. It is a writer's job to control the reference of his signs, in so far as s/he can. In writing code, you guys wouldn't put out a line of code without making clear what language you were writing in, would you? n Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus

Re: [FRIAM] sometimes an onion is just an onion...

On 06/14/2017 05:36 PM, Steven A Smith wrote: > Hairsplitting here (again), but I don't see what Nick or I did as *premature* > registration, maybe *mis*registration? Or am I being "premature" again? Well, you could be right. But I do think it's premature, not merely mis-. What I think

Re: [FRIAM] sometimes an onion is just an onion...

Or to put it even more simply, an onion is never an onion. n Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ -Original Message- From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of ?glen?

Re: [FRIAM] sometimes an onion is just an onion...

On 06/15/2017 08:27 AM, Nick Thompson wrote: > " It's the writer's job to balance and judge the amount of control ... ." > > So I, as a writer, have to be very slow to be aggrieved when I am not > understood. > > It's like the salesman blaming the customers for his not making the sale. I

Re: [FRIAM] sometimes an onion is just an onion...

On 06/15/2017 10:19 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > Tech companies usually distinguish between marketing and R Marketing is > about connecting with the customer. R is about creating the magical device > that doesn't even need to be explained at a technical level. So what if it > apparently

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- On 6/15/17 8:29 AM, Nick Thompson wrote: Or to put it even more simply, an onion is never an onion. And the finger pointing is not the moon. /When Bodhidharma came to China, he saw that most Chinese learners did not grasp the truth of Buddhism. They merely sought it

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Nick writes: "So I, as a writer, have to be very slow to be aggrieved when I am not understood." Tech companies usually distinguish between marketing and R Marketing is about connecting with the customer. R is about creating the magical device that doesn't even need to be explained at a

Re: [FRIAM] sometimes an onion is just an onion...

Glen writes: "And in that, they want to learn just enough about how/why it works so that they can know what they can do and how they can do it." With regard to my original remark to Nick, I claim that usually people really don't want to know something down to the quantum mechanics -- that is

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On 06/15/2017 11:57 AM, Frank Wimberly wrote: > Shall we assume Renee' is Mrs. Glen? Yes, sorry ... another instance of me inscribing myself on the world. However, our partnership is neither condoned nor authorized by any religion or government. -- ☣ glen

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Glen writes: "But I think one of the key insights to all the yaddayadda around innovation and disruption is not that it doesn't need to be explained (in words). It's about the "phase" change the market goes through as they grok it (fully digest it in behavior as well as thought). Some

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On 06/15/2017 11:23 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > But as for consumers of some product like Shazam, I can't imagine that most > have any interest at all in how or why it works. Excellent! I keep finding nits to pick. 8^) Again, I'm not so sure. I had a difficult conversation today with

Re: [FRIAM] sometimes an onion is just an onion...

Good job (narrowly) avoiding premature registration! From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 12:57 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] sometimes an onion is just an

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Shall we assume Renee' is Mrs. Glen? Frank Wimberly Phone (505) 670-9918 On Jun 15, 2017 12:40 PM, "glen ☣" wrote: > On 06/15/2017 11:23 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > > But as for consumers of some product like Shazam, I can't imagine that > most have any interest at all in

Re: [FRIAM] Waterboarding a dead Horse in a Desert with no name.

On 06/15/2017 02:36 PM, Steven A Smith wrote: > > sure... we can call it premature registration by that measure but that > undermines the utility of even having the concept of a *mis*registration as a > possibility. By your logic, any mis-registration I might make along the way > is a

Re: [FRIAM] Waterboarding a dead Horse in a Desert with no name.

That settles it then! I *haven't* been in a state of marriage (in the eyes of the law (who would know how, anyway?) ) 3 times... nor were any shotguns involved! Better Half/Other Half/Significant Other the ambiguity is Yge! So much room for pre-registration! Or is it mere

Re: [FRIAM] sometimes an onion is just an onion...

On 06/15/2017 12:52 PM, Steven A Smith wrote: > From my point of view, Glen Zigged, while I remained on course. Of course, > from Glen's frame of reference, *he* was on a straight course and * Zagged. > That is why iterative discussion is required for conversation? If you agree that

Re: [FRIAM] Waterboarding a dead Horse in a Desert with no name.

I know this is irrelevant but there is no common law marriage in NM. My daughter was married by an imam without a marriage license. Consulting a family law attorney taught us that a religious ceremony yields a legal marriage but that for practical reasons you should get a marriage license, which

[FRIAM] Waterboarding a dead Horse in a Desert with no name.

On 6/15/17 2:46 PM, glen ☣ wrote: On 06/15/2017 12:52 PM, Steven A Smith wrote: From my point of view, Glen Zigged, while I remained on course. Of course, from Glen's frame of reference, *he* was on a straight course and * Zagged. That is why iterative discussion is required for

Re: [FRIAM] sometimes an onion is just an onion...

George Bernard Shaw Quotes. "The single biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place." Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ -Original Message- From: Friam

Re: [FRIAM] sometimes an onion is just an onion...

Nick writes: "It is a writer's job to control the reference of his signs, in so far as s/he can. In writing code, you guys wouldn't put out a line of code without making clear what language you were writing in, would you?" Many non-trivial programs invent their own abstractions s and work

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On 06/15/2017 06:38 AM, Nick Thompson wrote: > It is a writer's job to control the reference of his signs, in so far as s/he > can. I disagree completely with the ultimate consequences of what you're saying. There is a philosophy in many branches of engineering to do exactly that: to

Re: [FRIAM] sometimes an onion is just an onion...

OK: " It's the writer's job to balance and judge the amount of control ... ." So I, as a writer, have to be very slow to be aggrieved when I am not understood. It's like the salesman blaming the customers for his not making the sale. Nick Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of

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Aha! http://quoteinvestigator.com/2014/08/31/illusion/ > LET US RECAPITULATE A BIT: The great enemy of communication, we find, is the > illusion of it. We have talked enough; but we have not listened. And by not > listening we have failed to concede the immense complexity of our society–and