Re: [FRIAM] random v stochastic v indeterminate

2017-08-12 Thread Nick Thompson
Steve, Thanks for allowing me to sling irresponsible insults at you with impunity. It has been VERY helpful to my recovery. You might consider opening a clinic. I considered calling "quantum randomness" "notional", but I wasn't sure WTF I meant by that. There's a dimension here I am

Re: [FRIAM] random v stochastic v indeterminate

2017-08-12 Thread Steven A Smith
Nick - Thanks for allowing me to sling irresponsible insults at you with impunity. It has been VERY helpful to my recovery. You might consider opening a clinic. One of my favorite authors, Chuck Palahnuik, wrote a protaganist who visits his mother in a dementia/alzheimer's ward every

Re: [FRIAM] random v stochastic v indeterminate

2017-08-12 Thread Nick Thompson
Mendel discovered cross-overs. N Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Grant Holland Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017

[FRIAM] bit-player

2017-08-12 Thread Jochen Fromm
I've read on Twitter that Brian Hayes was in Santa Fe this week and visited the SFI. I suggested him to contact Owen if he is interested in taking part in a FRIAM meeting. Do you still meet on friday morning to discuss complex systems in one of the cozy and trendy Santa Fe cafes? Anyway, here

Re: [FRIAM] random v stochastic v indeterminate

2017-08-12 Thread Steven A Smith
On 8/12/17 9:49 AM, ┣glen┫ wrote: This paragraph (for whatever reason) makes progress toward my counter-argument AGAINST both Monod-via-Grant and Wagner-via-Jenny. While it may be true that mutation is necessary for innovation, it's insufficient to claim that innovation comes only through

Re: [FRIAM] random v stochastic v indeterminate

2017-08-12 Thread Steven A Smith
your point about "point mutations" and non-connected spaces (not connected by point mutations anyway) is well taken and is what I think your last message that I was calling "latent" (expression) is about. From my daughter's sage anecdotal claims about Cancer, it seems that something like 7

Re: [FRIAM] random v stochastic v indeterminate

2017-08-12 Thread Marcus Daniels
Steve writes: "The question in this metaphor might be whether the body (humankind) has the ability to fight back against this? It fits my Candide/Pollyanna idea that times such as these are good times to focus significant resources on simply "tending your own garden".The world will have a

Re: [FRIAM] random v stochastic v indeterminate

2017-08-12 Thread Marcus Daniels
Glen writes: "Can we truly say that the crossover had nothing to do with the "innovation" ... that it only preserved the innovation and the mutation caused it? A neutral mutation can't be considered an "innovation", right?" A function related by rotation might be a candidate for crossover.

Re: [FRIAM] random v stochastic v indeterminate

2017-08-12 Thread ┣glen┫
Exactly. And even though we're conflating the model of evolution with the real thing, I find it difficult to believe the "space" operated on by evolution is entirely convex or even connected. So, (point) mutation alone may *never* reach some regions, regardless of infinite individuals,

Re: [FRIAM] random v stochastic v indeterminate

2017-08-12 Thread Marcus Daniels
Glen writes: "I find it difficult to believe the "space" operated on by evolution is entirely convex or even connected." I've never tried this approach, but it seems plausible. The link may be pay-walled, but the gist is to evolve fancier operators using masking of the genome.

Re: [FRIAM] random v stochastic v indeterminate

2017-08-12 Thread Grant Holland
Glen, Actually, I think you are probably right about crossovers! I can see how innovation can be attributed to them too. Thanks for pointing that out, Glen. (Had crossovers been discovered in '72 when Monod wrote his book?) But that is because crossovers, too, like mutations, are stochastic.

Re: [FRIAM] random v stochastic v indeterminate

2017-08-12 Thread ┣glen┫
This paragraph (for whatever reason) makes progress toward my counter-argument AGAINST both Monod-via-Grant and Wagner-via-Jenny. While it may be true that mutation is necessary for innovation, it's insufficient to claim that innovation comes only through mutation. Imagine two point mutations

Re: [FRIAM] Classes, Complexity, and Functional Programming – Kent C. Dodds – Medium

2017-08-12 Thread Owen Densmore
Great info, thanks. A few constraints: - I've finally gotten back to Write & Run JavaScript, no transpiling. - My workflow also is simplified: only npm scripts possibly using a node script. - I run a local hot-loading node http server so Write & Run is automatic. All managed by a npm script.

[FRIAM] Looking for a home

2017-08-12 Thread Fabio Carrera
Dear all: Fabio here. I am in Santa Fe right now, but only until Tuesday. One of the reasons I am here is to find a home for my winter stay. I plan to be in Santa Fe from January 15, 2018 until April 15 (3 months). Do you know someone who may have a house for rent? If not, can you spread the