kids, in a continuous strategic mode around personal
security and survival. If I were looking for a significant, next-species,
advancement in human intelligence, I would be inclined to search for it
among these people, and not among California techies.
Ed Weick
in
the benefiting countries. If Mr. Ziegler is right, as I suspect he is, Mr.
Henry's red nose comedy has become something of a farce, nothing
more.
Happy Holidays to all,Ed
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john courtneidge:
Any idea of the amount of Jamaica's annual budget that goes away from the
country in the form of interest payable on its National Debt ?
This might point to the/a cause of the country's poverty.
It would be significant, though by no means the only factor. According to
the
Victor Milne:
No question about it--the Nazis had a lot of popular support. (So does Mike
Harris in Ontario.) However, any history and culture is made up of a lot of
conflicting traditions. Dietrich Bonhoeffer's biographer relates that the
morning after Krystallnacht, Bonhoeffer's grandmother,
Ed,
In a parallel posting directed at Tim Rourke I've indicated that I agree
with your main point about the dangers of ideological labeling of groups of
people, but I don't quite agree with your comparison of the vandalism in
Seattle to Krystallnacht on a smaller scale.
The important difference
, those who operate
in the shadows have connections to the highest political levels.
All of this is by way of addressing the issue of just how, in much of the
world, governments can be sovereign. It would be nice if they
were, but what does sovereignty really mean in situations like the
above?
Ed
.
houses, and SUVs all over the place. Life is indeed good! (Readers: please
recognize the last sentence as irony.)
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I snip:
I would grant you that we serve capitalism, but
it also serves us. It has
been responsible for the very high standard of
living we have in the rich
world
From: "Cordell, Arthur: #ECOM - COMÉ"[EMAIL PROTECTED]
It seems that the Czechs in 1968 tried to bring in Socialism with a human
face. How about Capitalism with a human face?
arthur cordell
--
Not possible !
Hugs
j
Perhaps just "Humanity with a human face"?
a little
warning by poking him in the ribs. By sending in troops, you are taking him
on directly.
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is even more offensive than the
stuff I have read. He tried to turn jew=capitalist into
protester=brownshirt and he thinks that should fix it. That is so whacked
that I would not know where to begin in debunking it if I were to bother
trying.
I have been noticing Ed Weick for awhile. He
and a
revived or empowered ILO to handle global labour issues. And on the matter
of negotiation and dispute resolution between rich countries and poor, a
special fund might be established which ensures a more level playing field.
But I'm probably dreaming in technicolour here.
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Jan Matthieu
. To get rid of it and build a more
equitable world, we might have to give up an awful lot. Let's ask
ourselves, what would we really be willing to do without? Could we give
things up without becoming rather different people than we are? Would we
want to do that?
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understanding
is that this happened because GATT could no longer deal with the kinds of
international trade problems that were emerging. Something stronger was
needed, something that could resolve disputes, set rules and take leadership
on emerging issues.
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rists".
Hope this clarifies what I was trying to say.
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shirt, dragging him into the street and
giving him a beating, but it's only a difference of degree.
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is that increasing product belongs to society as a whole,
not only to capital, and is shared by society by legislatively or
contractually established rules.
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Just want to see if I'm still on the
list.
Ed Weick
Some of you will
be interested in the following article which appeared in yesterday's Globe and
Mail.
Ed Weick
UI Reform Hit Women Hardest,
Figures Confirm
DANIEL LEBLANCParliamentary Bureau, Ottawa
The percentage of unemployed women who
qualified for unemployment insurance hit
Michael Spencer:
I immediately thought of the growing number of
single mother familes and the very next post
was a reply from Keith Hudson, remarking on the rapid increase in the number
of single women family units. If the same rapid increase exists in
Canada that Keith reports from the
in 1986 to over 57% in 1996. I suppose that's progress, but at some
eight or nine percentage points a year, it would take them quite a while to
catch up. Moreover, the improvement between 1991 and 1996, (a little over
4%) was not really reflective of their gain, but of men's loss.
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that,
on average, women now earn as much or more than men. Though it may be
closing, a very large gap remains. In nominal terms, men, on average,
earned $31,117 in 1996, whereas women earned only $19,208, less than two-thirds
as much. It would seem that we are still a long way from achieving pay
equity.
Ed
as to cooperate.
Ed Weick
From: Ed Weick
(commenting on Challen)
WHY WORK
( like all good work - unfinished )
Real work is mental or physical effort
benefiting at once ourselves, others, and
the delicate inter-dependence of the planet.
Yes, yes, that is a very nice thought, and your poem is very nice too. If
only
world. Here
is where I think we can do very much more, and where our approach should be
rational and not charitable. There are energies and expectations here.
Surely these can be turned to something individually and socially useful.
Ed Weick
FWD
FAULT-LINES FOR THE 21ST CENTURY (CONFLICTS TO COME?)
Interview with Harlan Cleveland by Monte Leach
An interview with former US Assistant Secretary of State Harlan
Cleveland about what types of conflicts are most likely to occur
in the years ahead, and what can be done to prevent them.
step in political and perhaps even
biological evolution. I sincerely hope we can make it.
Ed Weick
is talking about in some of his postings to the list.
It is based on John Collier's Indians of the Americas, first published
in 1947. Collier was US Commissioner of Indian Affairs from 1933 to
1945.
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1830s-1840s - Trail of Tears and United
States (Marshall) concept of Indian Nationhood
even
though they cover only a relatively small part of the spectrum of aboriginal
grievances. It will take decades to deal with the relatively few issues that
are being considered. Loading anything more onto them could lead to
complete stasis.
Ed Weick
Did I get it right? I tried hard to make
as to look
at what happened, why it happened, and the end result factually (to the
extent this is possible), and not clothe the process in myth or mysticism.
That is all I meant.
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d our poor old ancestors. Perhaps I will meet them
someday in the great beyond. If that happens, I may be able to get closer
to the truth.
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le who
live in those countries? Not likely.
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industry will be
government, and the major source of government revenue will be transfers
from the Government of Canada, and we know that he who pays the piper calls
the tune even if he pretends not to do so. Anyhow, that is my take on the
situation.
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deal of
sense when, as a farmer, one is down in it and has to work on it.
I'm not sure of what this is supposed to tell us other than that what is
absurd to one person makes perfect sense to another -- something the
Chinese probably recognized 4,000 years ago.
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and starving, they could no longer
look after themselves. Populations continued to decline until about
1920. They have rebounded since, and currently about a million Canadians
identify themselves as aboriginal.
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our hard earned tax dollars without pretending to work is over.
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. That is the price people
pay, usually without knowing it, for something they think we are getting without
any real idea of what it is.
Ed
Weick
h too busy zipping around in our minivans,
chattering on our cell phones or playing with whatever other gadget fate
seems to have thrust into our hands. Where all of this came from is not
something we are very much bothered about.
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draws any conclusion on whether those who are coming in are as good
as the ones who are leaving. The fact that "The Swiss report, [is] based on
a survey of 4,160
leading business executives" makes me just a little suspicious of the
possibility of self-serving motives.
Ed Weick
Subject:
The following is a summary of an
interesting study on the Canadian labour force undertaken by economists at
Ryerson Polytechnic University. The study can be accesses at http://www.research.ryerson.ca/~ors/research/job.html
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The Job-Poor Recovery:
Social Cohesion and the Canadian
to the list for double posting my last message.
My server did not show it as having gone through when it apparently
had.
Ed
ore about the system
than he appears to and that, in the absence of knowledge, he tends to finger
the device. This, I would concede, is useful in getting us worked up, but
not too useful in helping us solve our social and economic problems.
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Victor Milne:
I thought I might as well
the virtues of
cyberspace and virtual reality, they have, for the most part, steadfastly
refused to address the equally important question of how to ensure that the
dramatic productivity gains of the new high-tech global economy will be
shared broadly among every segment of the population." I would suggest that,
in many different ways, both our leaders and we ourselves are addressing
this question.
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as the one they have.
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enormously wealthy, repressive and powerful Soviet Union
was created on the appealing, if not simple, ideas of Marx. I'm sure both
Christ and Marx would have been horrified if they were able to see what had
been done in their names.
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enormously wealthy, repressive and powerful Soviet Union
was created on the appealing, if not simple, ideas of Marx. I'm sure both
Christ and Marx would have been horrified if they were able to see what had
been done in their names.
Ed Weick
-emergence of superstates, and a return to bipolar or tripolar
hostilities. The potential for progress in military hard- and software and
for Star Wars defensive shields is enormous.
Ed
Weick
honestly cannot feel the same way about the
development of Indian policy or many other issues government must try to
resolve.
Ed Weick
(This is a draft of a paper that I'm developing that might be of interest
in this context. Contents, criticisms, "hacking" is welcomed.
Di
Funny, but here in Europe we don't have an army that has bombed
21countriesduring the last 50 years (without having been attacked
once). We alsodon'thave the high rates of murder and prisoners
that your peaceful country has.Nor do we need metal detectors in our
schools to protect the kids
to be in an arms race.
How better to acquire an enemy than to have a full scale war on your
borders -- a war between NATO (really the US) and the poor little Serbs.
I recognize that this is pure speculation, but might it not be so?
Ed Weick
Back to the future?
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"The United States is the richest country on the planet yet is has the
greatest income disparity . . . . Sixty percent of all U.S. jobs created
since 1979 pay less than $7,000 a year."
--Fian Fact Sheet, "Welfare by Corporations is Corpor
ew of their world,
are getting on with their lives as best they can and have little time for
nonsense ideology.
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a
lot of backing-off.
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This sound nice, but no mention is made of the NET ADDITION of over 7
million humans per MONTH to earth's population. Attitides and awareness
must include the responsibilities and effects of procreation if the below
perceptions are to become meaningfully realized
Eva:
Classless society happened to humans for 100K + years,
our relatively short written history chronicled only the
class society that also happened to us - with it's
exploitation, privilege, cruelty, etc.
Ed Weick:
You can believe that if you like, but I doubt very much that the first 100K
in the Mongol conquests were diverse. I
suspect it was the leadership. Perhaps one could not consider oneself a Khan
without emulating the exploits of the original Great Khan. As my professor
friend said, to be a Mongol, that is what you had to do.
Ed Weick
I don't think that the level of
aggressivity
e that our
essential nature as humans - part angel, part brute, part compassionate,
part cruel, part intelligent and thoughful, part stupid and cruel,
essentially tribal - can be changed simply by altering the institutions
through which we work as societies. How much proof do we need that we are
what w
riat who had to work
for the farmers or the industrialists. Perhaps the driving cause is our
need to invent and innovate, but that is something that we can't help doing.
It is a consequence of having large brains and opposable thumbs, or some
such thing.
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danger of being cut out altogether
because of technological replacement.
Generally, then, what you've put forward may still apply to a considerable
part of the work world, but there are some problems.
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?
A couple of interesting points: Brazil already has
3.6 million pure ethanol driven vehicles on the road, and (the authors
argue) Henry Ford saw ethanol as the fuel of choice for automobiles.
Ed Weick
I'm sending this again. Not sure it
made it to the list first time. If it did, please
ignore.
Ed Weick
From time to time, some members of this
list have voiced a grievance against Paul Krugman, theMIT economist because
he has appeared to dismiss the Austrians, proponents of one
fight.
Ed Weick
Eva Durant:
Guess what, science was also done by h u m a n s
and at least as long ago as god.
The human brain evolved to make patterns,
to generalise, to abstract, to imagine, etc,
as planning/picturing for the future proved to be an asset.
When there was not enough data
history as a species has there been much evidence that we are
morally and intellectually capable of lifting ourselves out of the despair
and self-centered cynicism that has killed well over a hundred million
people this century and which may account for billions in the next.
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is the next big problem? The exploration of space?
Feeding the hungry? Living with climate change? Resolving disputes peacefully?
The depletion of energy resources? All of these? I would suggest there will be
no end of work.
Ed Weick
(Pssst! Anyone wanna buy a nuclear powered
wristwatch? I sell em cheap
uals or families had no
place in their value system. Their goal was day by day survival ..."
(Bone, Robert M. and Earl N. Shannon with Stewart Raby; The Chipewyan of the
Stony Rapids Region, Scott Polar Research Institute, Cambridge, England, May
1972, pp. 185-186.)
Ed Weick
th Jay's dismal prognosis, but I see little hope of getting out of
it by rational thought and behaviour. At some point we will wind down,
whether cataclymically (Hurrican Mitch) or bit by bit remains to be seen.
Meanwhile, there is work to be done in the mess we are in.
Ed Weick
for some decades, I do
not feel demeaned by Mr. Hanson. However, I do feel a little sad that he
persists in demeaning himself.
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ting it into a major international conspiracy.
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c
emphasis was the build-up of industrial capital?
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least some eastern European countries are now thriving
while Russia continues to decline.
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ess -- that business must work in the interests of
its shareholders but government must work in the interests of citizens. I'm
beginning to wonder if this belief has been so eroded and government's view
of itself has so confused as to make government virtually ineffective.
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and he is us! We will either have to change our ways
ourselves or we will be forced to do so by a radical change in our
circumstances.
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e we have at present only because the
world had changed, but certainly dealing with much the same phenomena as
economists deal with today.
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to
develop. What Russia is demonstrating is that without such fundamental
institutions, felt entitlements and a democratic form of government are not very
helpful.
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ot;slice of the pie"
even if no one else gets any pie.
I like the story of the poor old Cyclopes and the clever Ulysses. However,
I
would argue that the tyrant is ourselves -- all of us. But that is for
another posting, if I get around to it.
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the solution.
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be beaten or even killed at the whim
of their overlords. In comparison with the economic institutions of former
times, I would take the market any day.
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ft the economist out in subsequent drafts, reasoning that even if the
wizard could grant his wish, the stuff that the economist would have to deal
with would be so appalling that a sense of humour would be of no use to him.
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e Nuremberg trials.
It's high time the economists took responsibility for their crimes.
Yoiks!! I tremble! Please let me know which tribunal I should appear
before.
Ed Weick
for the other shoe to drop. And there is an anxiety abroad
that it may be a very big shoe.
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and democracy on Southeast Asia and everyone will drive
two cars. Do the same for Russia, and everyone will drive at least
one. Sorry, but it does not seem to have worked that way.
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with men doing
equivalent work. The result: the Government of Canada is faced with
billions of dollars in back pay and higher wage levels from women from here
on.
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nced and seen around them, and both have shed light on human
behaviour. However, economists have never treated either as providing the
be all and end all of knowledge. They have always seen everything as open
to question.
I do hope this helps.
Ed Weick
ed
nothing. However, the people were fed and cared for, much like herd animals
on a game farm, unless of course they were accused of conspiracy or
sedition. If that happened, they were culled out of the herd.
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like the kind of society some people are
advocating.
Well, perhaps. But in Russia and the Balkans, things seem to be getting
more complicated rather than less. In both cases it is doubtful that they
will shake themselves down to a lower level of complexity.
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them,
that is the fault of the society, not of capital.
Hope this clarifies my views.
Ed Weick
ovide basic income; would downsize government; and would
largely get government out of the education, welfare and health fields, all
fields in which it is criticized for not doing a good job.
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opulations, probably large
scale migrations, and undoubtedly a decline in global population from a yet
to be reached peak.
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are really the highest of idealists. You expect far too much of us poor
human animals, and want to save us from ourselves. And for what? Simply to
be administered, bred and culled on a scientifically managed game farm?
Thank you, but I'm going to go have a beer with Joe Sixpack.
Ed Weick
te welfare.
Perhaps. But I do some volunteer work, and when I'm doing it I focus on the
problem at hand and not on the CEO and his Lear Jet.
Ed Weick
c., August 23, 1995)
It should be noted that the footnote appears to confirm the life-expectancy
figure used by Prof. Cohen. However, Tom's point about the accuracy and
meaningfulness of the figure remains valid.
Ed Weick
of the poor. As
long as solutions are imposed from above - like workfare - there is little
to worry about. But if the poor were an organized political force proposing
solutions of their own, there is no telling what might happen. Better to
cut that possibility off.
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that system, and has tried to subject it to the discipline of the market,
not giving sufficient recognition to the fact that a market system needs
time to grow and evolve and cannot be imposed on something that it simply
does not fit.
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would be pleased to email them.
Ed Weick
Morning, June 1, 1995 - More dismal thoughts and speculation about the
economy
I find myself wondering about the tackiness, poor quality and poor
maintenance of housing, of cars, of older shops, or roads and sidewalks, and
indeed of everything that had
). This is essentially what was behind the
Chechnya war, where the Russians were trying to re-impose central authority
before tribalism got completely out of hand.
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d to the
military, that a prolonged war was fought in Afghanistan, and that the
government had to deal with rebellion in places like Chechnya, did not help.
Nor do low oil prices, a major source of government revenue.
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as the opportunities for exercising r
strategies become fewer and fewer. If only those gorillas could hang on a
little longer!
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It's stuff like this that makes me think the Taliban may be on the right
track.
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Eva,
It was meant as tongue in cheek. I for one am glad that much of the world
continues to exist somewhere between the Taliban and Colonel Sanders (who,
incidentally, is being revived in KFC
s), claims the U.S. economy will eventually be importing $1
trillion
in information-based productivity. It also explains that trade will be
balanced by exporting an equal amount of high-tech manufactured
products.
It's stuff like this that makes me think the Taliban may be on the right
track.
Ed Weick
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Date: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 8:07 PM
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Ed Weick wrote, etc.:
Tor,
It wasn't me that wrote
of
relatively complex agricultural base.
Ed Weick
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In response to my argument
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