Re: FVWM: Recommend Config for Fluxbox user
On 06/26/2016 12:00 AM, Brian wrote: Thomas, I'm sorry to say that it's been a year since I tried Nightshade, I'm not even sure which version at the time. I do remember trying to build the necessary dependencies from SlackBuilds.org. There was a optional package which wasn't available in the SBo but I installed without that option. What I remember was config didn't know how to handle my two monitors of different sizes. I believe at the time I thought it might be a Xinemera issue, but crystal was perfectly happy to handle both monitors from the default config. The 0.6.x version hasn't multi monitor support. Also the upcoming 0.8. I'm working on it but it isn't finished yet. Probably available in 1.0 ... I see perl-gtk2 1.2495 in the SBo, so it shouldn't be hard to install that dep. Good luck with your continued development. Is nightshade still installing in it's own directory folders? I know crystal is still using its own, as the old FVWM-Themes will also. Yes :-) Actually I really like themes, but trying to customize the menus with XDG integration simply failed. The XDG menu integration is one thing I liked about crystal. The XDG menu integration is available in Fvwm since 2.6.6. You can use it if you replace fvwm-menu-desktop in 2.6.5 with that one from 2.6.6. You need also the new man page and fvwm-menu-desktop-config.fpl which should placed in /usr/share/fvwm/. Read the new man page how to integrate it into the root menu. I've since converted to WindowMaker as my preferred window manager. It is small on resources, fast, EWMH compliant, and handles my two monitors with multiple desktops, with XDG menu integration through a trick I found on the WM forum. The only thing I miss is a right-click allowing me to move applications to other virtual desktops with a click, instead I have to drag them to the right or left edge. I'm following the FVWM forums because I still see awesome potential that WMaker might fail in the future. Yeah, Fvwm rocks! ^^ Cheers, Thomas -- -- "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe." -- Albert Einstein
Re: FVWM: Recommend Config for Fluxbox user
Tim Johnsonwrites: > * Thomas Adam [160625 06:41]: >> On 24 June 2016 at 01:23, lee wrote: >> > A configuration created with the hopes of being somewhat helpful for >> > users wanting to learn how to configure fvwm can be obtained like this: >> >> Be careful with that intention, not matter how we meaning it is. > <...> > I got ("git'ed") git://dawn.adminart.net/fvwm.git for reasons of > possible edification, however Thomas Funk's recommendation of "Setup > Form" was just what I needed. It gave me a basic, sane beginning, > and keywords for searches. > > Being a homestead kind of person, having a window manager that I can > design from the ground up is right up my alley. > > Quoting T. Funk: "Up to Fvwm version 2.6.6 you could use the "Setup > Form" in the Builtin Menu" et. al. > > Do I take that to mean that Setup Form has been discarded after > later versions? If so, replaced at all? Thomas, I know the Setup Form has some issues, I said so myself, but it's better than nothing. It could use more options, (like choosing a couple of key configurations, border color, frame thickness, etc.) but putting it back unchanged is better than nothing. You expressed unhappiness with the multiple files it creates. That's dead simple to fix if you don't like it. Personally, I prefer one file, I just did it as multiple files because I assumed a user could undo it. My opinion. (Note: this reply sent to -workers on purpose.) -- Dan Espen
Re: FVWM: Recommend Config for Fluxbox user
* Thomas Adam[160625 06:41]: > On 24 June 2016 at 01:23, lee wrote: > > A configuration created with the hopes of being somewhat helpful for > > users wanting to learn how to configure fvwm can be obtained like this: > > Be careful with that intention, not matter how we meaning it is. <...> I got ("git'ed") git://dawn.adminart.net/fvwm.git for reasons of possible edification, however Thomas Funk's recommendation of "Setup Form" was just what I needed. It gave me a basic, sane beginning, and keywords for searches. Being a homestead kind of person, having a window manager that I can design from the ground up is right up my alley. Quoting T. Funk: "Up to Fvwm version 2.6.6 you could use the "Setup Form" in the Builtin Menu" et. al. Do I take that to mean that Setup Form has been discarded after later versions? If so, replaced at all? thanks -- Tim http://www.akwebsoft.com, http://www.tj49.com
Re: FVWM: Recommend Config for Fluxbox user
Hi Brian, On 06/25/2016 07:47 PM, Brian wrote: As for nightshade and crystal, don't they both have dependencies beyond what FVWM normally has packaged? On my Slackware system, I have tried both and while Crystal was usable, nightshade totally failed. Purely out of curiosity I'd like to know what was totally failed and which version of Fvwm-Nightshade you've tested? I know that FNS 0.6.9 works under Slackware64-14.1 but the biggest problem with this distribution is that required packages needed for proper work are not available under original Slackware like pyxdg - for application menu building conky - for cpu and clock stalonetray - for system tray Only found them under SlackBuilds.org. For the upcoming 0.8 it's much more difficult because perl-gtk2 is missing which is used for all FNS GUIs. But anyway thanks for trying it :-) -- Thomas -- -- -- "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe." -- Albert Einstein
Re: FVWM: Recommend Config for Fluxbox user
On 24 June 2016 at 01:23, leewrote: > A configuration created with the hopes of being somewhat helpful for > users wanting to learn how to configure fvwm can be obtained like this: Be careful with that intention, not matter how we meaning it is. Having had a look over the files, there's a few things in there which would be misleading to anyone thinking of learning from it. A lot of the reasons why are buried from posts by me on the mailing list. I'll probably end up sending you a diff to address some of these things. As for fvwm-{nightshade,crystal} they're the best of a bunch of YASFCF (Yet Another Sodding FVWM Configuration Framework) from which we're all supposed to learn something, it seems. Because what we need is yet more choice... -- Thomas Adam
Re: FVWM: Recommend Config for Fluxbox user
"Thomas Funk"writes: > [...] > > Another possibility is to install Fvwm-Crystal or Fvwm-Nightshade to > get a full featured configuration of Fvwm. Fvwm-crystal is very overwhelming for someone starting out with fvwm, and the same is probably true for nightshade. If the OP wants to have something fully functional, they are good choices; if he wants to learn how to configure fvwm himself, fvwm-crystal might be easier to start with. A configuration created with the hopes of being somewhat helpful for users wanting to learn how to configure fvwm can be obtained like this: git clone git://dawn.adminart.net/fvwm.git It currently isn't up to date because I recently made some changes when switching to another keyboard. It's working, though. If you'd like to know when I make another commit, you can send me an email and I'll let you know. -- After using i3 for a while, I totally realized that it is the job of the window manger to mange the windows, literally. It is, by all means, /not/ the job of the user. Once you realized this, you can see the irony of calling an operating system "Windows", and you even have to say they did a good job with that.
Re: FVWM: Recommend Config for Fluxbox user
* Tim Johnson[160621 07:30]: <...> > Up to Fvwm version 2.6.6 you could use the "Setup Form" in the Builtin > > Menu (single left click anywhere on the desktop). A good starting > > configuration is > > - FvwmIconMan > > - FvwmPager > > - FvwmTaskBar > > > > or > > > > - FvwmButtons > > > > Mark them, click "Copy ...", "Restart ..." and you have it. > > > > > > But, from that I was not even able to grok how to close a window. Or > > > get a > > > window menu. > > > > After a Fvwm restart the windows have now some buttons: > > left: a minus => shows a window menu > > right: a dot => minimize and a square => maximize > > > > Hope this helps. That's what I needed. The essential bootstrap. I'm good to go.. thank you -- Tim http://www.akwebsoft.com, http://www.tj49.com
Re: FVWM: Recommend Config for Fluxbox user
* Thomas Funk[160621 01:07]: > "Tim Johnson" wrote: > > Sorry about the mixup. On my system, .fvwm is created on the first > > invocation and file Version is contain in that directory. > > > > For those unfamiliar with fluxbox, I could just use some config > > that enables easy access to window menus. With the vanilla config, > > I couldn't even find a way to close a window (other than > > terminating the child app). > > Up to Fvwm version 2.6.6 you could use the "Setup Form" in the Builtin > Menu (single left click anywhere on the desktop). A good starting > configuration is > - FvwmIconMan > - FvwmPager > - FvwmTaskBar > > or > > - FvwmButtons > > Mark them, click "Copy ...", "Restart ..." and you have it. > > > > But, from that I was not even able to grok how to close a window. Or get a > > window menu. > > After a Fvwm restart the windows have now some buttons: > left: a minus => shows a window menu > right: a dot => minimize and a square => maximize > > Hope this helps. Thank you Thomas. I know this will help. I'll get to it shortly. regards -- Tim http://www.akwebsoft.com, http://www.tj49.com
Re: FVWM: Recommend Config for Fluxbox user
"Tim Johnson"wrote: > Sorry about the mixup. On my system, .fvwm is created on the first > invocation and file Version is contain in that directory. > > For those unfamiliar with fluxbox, I could just use some config > that enables easy access to window menus. With the vanilla config, > I couldn't even find a way to close a window (other than > terminating the child app). Up to Fvwm version 2.6.6 you could use the "Setup Form" in the Builtin Menu (single left click anywhere on the desktop). A good starting configuration is - FvwmIconMan - FvwmPager - FvwmTaskBar or - FvwmButtons Mark them, click "Copy ...", "Restart ..." and you have it. > > But, from that I was not even able to grok how to close a window. Or get a > window menu. After a Fvwm restart the windows have now some buttons: left: a minus => shows a window menu right: a dot => minimize and a square => maximize Hope this helps. Another possibility is to install Fvwm-Crystal or Fvwm-Nightshade to get a full featured configuration of Fvwm. -- Thomas --
Re: FVWM: Recommend Config for Fluxbox user
* Tim Johnson[160620 16:48]: > Hello : > > This is partly to test my assimilation into the fvwm mailing list, > and in part for a recommendation or recommendations. > > I have installed fvwm 3.2.7 on an 64-bit Ubuntu 14.04 machine (mac mini). Please note, from a personal reply, I was told, that 2.6.6 is the latest version. I got the string "3.2.6" from ~/.fvwm/Version fvwm --version returns fvwm 2.6.5 compiled on Nov 14 2013 at 23:12:38 (installed from Ubuntu Synaptic) Sorry about the mixup. On my system, .fvwm is created on the first invocation and file Version is contain in that directory. For those unfamiliar with fluxbox, I could just use some config that enables easy access to window menus. With the vanilla config, I couldn't even find a way to close a window (other than terminating the child app). From man fvwm I read the following: BUILTIN KEY AND MOUSE BINDINGS The following commands are built-in to fvwm: Key Help R A Popup MenuFvwmRoot Key F1 R A Popup MenuFvwmRoot Key Tab A M WindowList Root c c NoDeskSort Key Escape A MC EscapeFunc Mouse 1 R A Menu MenuFvwmRoot Mouse 1 T A FuncFvwmRaiseLowerX Move Mouse 1 FS A FuncFvwmRaiseLowerX Resize Mouse 2 FST A FuncFvwmRaiseLowerX Move AddToFunc FuncFvwmRaiseLowerX + I Raise + M $0 + D Lower But, from that I was not even able to grok how to close a window. Or get a window menu. To reiterate, on Ubuntu 14.04, version 2.6.5 -- Tim http://www.akwebsoft.com, http://www.tj49.com