Re: Panther won't boot - shell
thanks everyone for their insights. I had gone already some steps towards the strategy suggested by Laurent, so I didn't loose any data. Was certainly not very wise on my side to use the OS 9 version to repair OS X directories. So, don't do it folks! cheers, gianfranco -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Norton Utilities (was Re: Panther won't boot - shell )
I believe techtool does this too, can you confirm anyone? 22/1/04 5:24 PM -0600 James Rohde [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Part of the difference is that DiskWarrior repairs the directory entries and creates a new directory in a new location. regards, John bye, john bye, john plum -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Panther won't boot - shell
Not exactley sure what prblem you are thinking of. I like techtool pro. Just yesterday. It worked hard, and succeeeded, to repair my volume structures beautifully, when Apple's disk repair couldn't. 21/1/04 8:56 PM -0600 Tom Ethen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DiskWarrior has always worked for me and has straightened out many a problem and has never made things worse. Norton will also work on many problems, but will eventually find a problem it can not fix, but it will give it a try anyway, making things so messed up that nothing can repair the drive. Tom Disk Warrior has never corrected a problem for me (and never messed up), Norton yes (corrected + messed) regards, John bye, john plum -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Norton Utilities (was Re: Panther won't boot - shell )
On 1/22/04 1:22 PM, gianfranco wrote: My question to the list now is (perhaps I should have changed the subject?): (Changed it for you/us)... I've read many bad accounts about Norton Utilities, is it really that bad? I have used regularly the antivirus and defrag on my powerbook for over a year now and occasionally the doctor and this is really the first time it messes up (it was Utilities 6.0.3 for OS 9) and it messed up a freshely set-up partition with no fancy installs on it (FileSaver started already to report problems even before I could switch it off as I do usually right after a fresh install). I'd like to hear some opinions and what are the possible alternative for disc maintenance and repair? Part of the difference is that DiskWarrior repairs the directory entries and creates a new directory in a new location. Norton works (IIRC) directly on the directory (so if it crashes in mid-corrections, you're out of luck, for example). My problem with Norton was it would repeatedly find problems, and also Filesaver kept giving me conflicts with other extensions under MacOS 9.x. I believe others have reported on this list problems with having 'repaired' a drive, but DiskWarrior still finds problems. Others can chime in who have direct experience (rather than my secondhand) with Disk Doctor and other Norton Utilities programs. Jim Rohde -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Panther won't boot - shell
any idea about how to recover without having to re-install? Since I have access to the partition via the shell when trying to boot on it, there's perhaps a simple way? Two more things: Files on /private/etc/ (such as the affected master.passwd) are hidden files and I can't access them booting from another partiton. In another machine (running Jaguar) I can Change Dir to /private/etc/ and access the files from Terminal, but in this case I can't CD or list them, as I get the mentioned error I'm not even sure if install archive would cure this? thanks for anay help, gianfranco It looks like Norton did screw up your OS X partition... -Laurent. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Panther won't boot - shell
On 21/01/04 12:43, gf sciacca [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: any idea about how to recover without having to re-install? Since I have access to the partition via the shell when trying to boot on it, there's perhaps a simple way? Two more things: Files on /private/etc/ (such as the affected master.passwd) are hidden files and I can't access them booting from another partiton. In another machine (running Jaguar) I can Change Dir to /private/etc/ and access the files from Terminal, but in this case I can't CD or list them, as I get the mentioned error I'm not even sure if install archive would cure this? thanks for anay help, gianfranco It looks like Norton did screw up your OS X partition... -Laurent. I'm not sure how you could go about that. Try recovering your home folder if you can. If it is a laptop, you could try to use it in FireWire mode from another Mac. Then, I'm afraid you will have to do a full install. You could try the archive and install, but I'm not sure it will work as it seems that the OS is expecting directories where it finds files and vice versa... -Laurent. -- Laurent Daudelin Developer, Multifamily, ESO, Fannie Mae mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Washington, DC, USA Usual disclaimers apply *** -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Panther won't boot - shell
I also suspect that archive and install won't work, so I'm going ahead with a clean install, after backing up the book in FireWire mode My question to the list now is (perhaps I should have changed the subject?): I've read many bad accounts about Norton Utilities, is it really that bad? I have used regularly the antivirus and defrag on my powerbook for over a year now and occasionally the doctor and this is really the first time it messes up (it was Utilities 6.0.3 for OS 9) and it messed up a freshely set-up partition with no fancy installs on it (FileSaver started already to report problems even before I could switch it off as I do usually right after a fresh install). I'd like to hear some opinions and what are the possible alternative for disc maintenance and repair? Many speak well of Disk Warrior, but the few times I ran it to correct problems, it would always report problems, tell me they were corrected, only to report and correct the same problems again if I launched it right after it finished its first repair. Disk Warrior has never corrected a problem for me (and never messed up), Norton yes (corrected + messed) cheers, gianfranco I'm not even sure if install archive would cure this? thanks for anay help, gianfranco It looks like Norton did screw up your OS X partition... -Laurent. I'm not sure how you could go about that. Try recovering your home folder if you can. If it is a laptop, you could try to use it in FireWire mode from another Mac. Then, I'm afraid you will have to do a full install. You could try the archive and install, but I'm not sure it will work as it seems that the OS is expecting directories where it finds files and vice versa... -Laurent. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Panther won't boot - shell
on 21/01/04 21:21, gf sciacca at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I also suspect that archive and install won't work, so I'm going ahead with a clean install, after backing up the book in FireWire mode My question to the list now is (perhaps I should have changed the subject?): I've read many bad accounts about Norton Utilities, is it really that bad? I have used regularly the antivirus and defrag on my powerbook for over a year now and occasionally the doctor and this is really the first time it messes up (it was Utilities 6.0.3 for OS 9) and it messed up a freshely set-up partition with no fancy installs on it (FileSaver started already to report problems even before I could switch it off as I do usually right after a fresh install). I'd like to hear some opinions and what are the possible alternative for disc maintenance and repair? Many speak well of Disk Warrior, but the few times I ran it to correct problems, it would always report problems, tell me they were corrected, only to report and correct the same problems again if I launched it right after it finished its first repair. Disk Warrior has never corrected a problem for me (and never messed up), Norton yes (corrected + messed) Well, I think that your main problem is that you used version 6.0.3 which is, according to the above, for OS 9. If that version was specifically written for OS 9, then it is quite possible (I don't know for sure since I've never used it, and I'm doing fine, thank you) that it couldn't understand some stuff from the OS X partition, like symbolic links. You could maybe try to use a version for OS X, but, again, I have been running OS X on 2 different computers since the original OS X public beta back in 2001 and never had any problems that I couldn't fix without the tools I had, i.e. OS X Disk Utility. Even if I had serious problems that Disk Utility could not fix, I wouldn't trust any utility to fix them; I would just backup my stuff, then do a format and re-install. That's why I have 3 partitions on my Pismo: one for the OS X system disk, one for OS 9 system disk and a last one for all the remaining stuff. Everything I install that doesn't require to be in /Applications or /Applications/Utilities, or on the system disk in general, I put on the 3rd partition. So, in the event that something goes really wrong, I usually only have to backup my home directory on an external firewire disk, reformat and reinstall OS X. That way, I'm always sure that everything in the system is clean. I had to do that maybe 2 or 3 times since I've been running OS X, and that is on 2 different computers, my PowerBook Pismo and my Blue White G4... Just my $0.02... -Laurent. -- Laurent Daudelin AIM/iChat: LaurentDaudelinhttp://nemesys.dyndns.org Logiciels Nemesys Software mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sometimes the majority only means that all the fools are on the same side. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Panther won't boot - shell
DiskWarrior has always worked for me and has straightened out many a problem and has never made things worse. Norton will also work on many problems, but will eventually find a problem it can not fix, but it will give it a try anyway, making things so messed up that nothing can repair the drive. Tom Disk Warrior has never corrected a problem for me (and never messed up), Norton yes (corrected + messed) -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Panther won't boot - shell
Likewise Kudo's for DW...We had 2 partitions on this imac se 400 and had been running 9.2.2 on one and Jag X on the otherNorton 6.0.3 had been working great on the 9.2.2 then somehow it crosslinked files into the OS X and really screwed everything up on both partitionsAt one point last July it was taking over 1/2 hr to get booted up into 9.2.2 It keep giving me the blinking disk...ie the smile of death for the hd...Luckily I got to Philadelphia that weekend and got DW at the CompUSA there. When I got home and started to run it, it took about 2 to 3 hrs to run but it did fix everything eventually and I haven't used Norton since...Don't know about any later release of it...We were fortunate to have gotten the 30 gig iPod right before the mess occured and were able to back up the entire 9.2.2 stuff to it via FW target mode...Reformatted entire 60gig Maxtor hd and started over...I run DW about every 2 weeks or so, along w/ Panther utitlity repair permissions etc on the 10.3 partition. Regards, Mike Tom Ethen wrote: DiskWarrior has always worked for me and has straightened out many a problem and has never made things worse. Norton will also work on many problems, but will eventually find a problem it can not fix, but it will give it a try anyway, making things so messed up that nothing can repair the drive. Tom Disk Warrior has never corrected a problem for me (and never messed up), Norton yes (corrected + messed) -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Panther won't boot - shell
Just got the first problematic experience with Panther (TiBook 1 GHz). After finishing setting up the OS 9 partition (which I do need right now), I ran Norton on the OS X partition as minor problems were prompted by File Saver. These were repaired, then I defrag'd and upon re-booting to X.3.2, I get the apple screen, then I'm brought directly to the bash and get the following lines: /etc/master.passwd: Not a directory /etc/master.passwd: Not a directory -sh: /etc/profile: Not a directory -sh-2.05# in6_ifattach_linklocal: failed to configure a link-local address on lo0 (errno=55) in6_ifattach: lo0 failed to attach a local linklocal address I can issue commands at the shell prompt (-sh-2.05#), but I don't know what to issue. help would show me some of the possible commands, I can ls, cd, etc, reboot causes the reboot, i.e. chime, apple screen, bash. also I get the following (-sh-2.05# is the prompt, what follows is what I type): -sh-2.05# ls /etc /etc and: -sh-2.05# ls -als /etc /etc/master.passwd: Not a directory If I hold option while rebooting, I can choose to boot onto the OS 9 partition, which works fine. It looks like some information is corrupted. Is there a simple/quick way to get out of this without having to re-install and reconfigure everything(I just finished that and was scheduled to begin work basically now). Maybe a bash command? I'm rusted on Unix. I have access to external firewire drives/computers. please CC any reply to me, as I'm on digest. cheers, gianfranco -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Panther won't boot - shell
on 20/01/04 22:35, gf sciacca at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just got the first problematic experience with Panther (TiBook 1 GHz). After finishing setting up the OS 9 partition (which I do need right now), I ran Norton on the OS X partition as minor problems were prompted by File Saver. These were repaired, then I defrag'd and upon re-booting to X.3.2, I get the apple screen, then I'm brought directly to the bash and get the following lines: /etc/master.passwd: Not a directory /etc/master.passwd: Not a directory -sh: /etc/profile: Not a directory -sh-2.05# in6_ifattach_linklocal: failed to configure a link-local address on lo0 (errno=55) in6_ifattach: lo0 failed to attach a local linklocal address I can issue commands at the shell prompt (-sh-2.05#), but I don't know what to issue. help would show me some of the possible commands, I can ls, cd, etc, reboot causes the reboot, i.e. chime, apple screen, bash. also I get the following (-sh-2.05# is the prompt, what follows is what I type): -sh-2.05# ls /etc /etc and: -sh-2.05# ls -als /etc /etc/master.passwd: Not a directory If I hold option while rebooting, I can choose to boot onto the OS 9 partition, which works fine. It looks like some information is corrupted. Is there a simple/quick way to get out of this without having to re-install and reconfigure everything(I just finished that and was scheduled to begin work basically now). Maybe a bash command? I'm rusted on Unix. I have access to external firewire drives/computers. please CC any reply to me, as I'm on digest. cheers, gianfranco It looks like Norton did screw up your OS X partition... -Laurent. -- Laurent Daudelin AIM/iChat: LaurentDaudelinhttp://nemesys.dyndns.org Logiciels Nemesys Software mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] case and paste n.: [from `cut and paste'] 1. The addition of a new feature to an existing system by selecting the code from an existing feature and pasting it in with minor changes. Common in telephony circles because most operations in a telephone switch are selected using case statements. Leads to software bloat. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
