Re: gEDA-user: CERN goes for KiCAD

2011-09-07 Thread Steve Meier
you all never worried about cern before? why start now? better to just keep focused on your current customers then unknown future additional users. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org

Re: gEDA-user: How to find which specific part of a PCB is shorted?

2011-09-02 Thread Steve Meier
wouldn't it be nice to be able to tell a polygon that it belongs to a net and the have the thermals that disagree highlighted? On Fri, 2011-09-02 at 15:13 +1000, Stephen Ecob wrote: Usually, when I have power and ground shorted, it's because of a via placed some where that was accidentally

Re: gEDA-user: Gschem and footprints

2011-08-18 Thread Steve Meier
I am happy that doc is still useful. Best Wishes to All here at geda, Steve M. On Wed, 2011-08-17 at 08:44 -0500, kqt4a...@comcast.net wrote: On Tue, 16 Aug 2011, Colin D Bennett wrote: On Tue, 16 Aug 2011 15:35:46 -0500 (CDT) kqt4a...@comcast.net wrote: I am sure this has been done

Re: gEDA-user: Reinventing the wheel

2011-05-21 Thread Steve Meier
Must it be round? ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user

Re: gEDA-user: translation standards (was: fritzing )

2009-05-13 Thread Steve Meier
and place equipment as well as their flying probe testers. Plus if you wan't to translate projects back and forth between commercial cad programs this seems to be the most commonly supported format. Steve Meier On Wed, 2009-05-13 at 16:01 -0500, John Griessen wrote: al davis wrote: My proposal does

Re: gEDA-user: DRC UI mockup

2009-03-31 Thread Steve Meier
Good: I like the arrows showing the problem. Wrong location: The reason (i.e. Annular rings that are too small may erode during etching) belongs in the area that you establish the design rule check guidelines. Steve Meier On Sun, 2009-03-29 at 16:21 +0100, Peter Clifton wrote: Hi guys

Re: gEDA-user: Bad news about gEDA's participation in GSoC 2009

2009-03-19 Thread Steve Meier
Notice that BRL CAD did make the cut. Why solid modeling but not EDA? On Thu, 2009-03-19 at 11:41 -0500, John Griessen wrote: Stuart Brorson wrote: Hello -- I am unhappy to announce that the gEDA Project's application to the Google Summer of Code was turned down this year. This

Re: gEDA-user: PCB thermal width

2009-03-16 Thread Steve Meier
has to be applied to a pin is dependent on the size of the effective heat sink. Seems to me that a single formula for calculating thermals is to restrictive. Steve Meier On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 07:58 -0400, Ethan Swint wrote: IIRC, it has to do with both the annulus width as well

Re: gEDA-user: Trace impedance calculations in PCB

2009-02-12 Thread Steve Meier
Take a look at: http://sourceforge.net/project/screenshots.php?group_id=201957 I think it would be cool to be able to select a couple of traces from pcb and insert their info into an application like the above. perhaps have some code that would follow the traces and every time one of the traces,

Re: gEDA-user: Guerilla marketing...

2009-01-30 Thread Steve Meier
This is a chicken and egg problem. With revenue in the billions the major eda tool companies have far more resources to keep developing capabilities. On Fri, 2009-01-30 at 10:23 -0700, John Doty wrote: On Jan 29, 2009, at 11:40 PM, Steve Meier wrote: Let us be clear on this concept

Re: gEDA-user: Guerilla marketing...

2009-01-30 Thread Steve Meier
When Jobs and Wozniak were tinkering in that garage, the dominant computer hardware was System/370. They were wise not to try to compete with that. jobs and woz used a disruptive technology (the integrated circuit) to compete with the bigger hardware. And FOSS is disruptive

Re: gEDA-user: Guerilla marketing...

2009-01-30 Thread Steve Meier
John, Mentor Graphics provides schematic and board level translators www.mentor.com/products/pcb/pads/translators Altrium does as well and did about 55 million in sales last year. https://wiki.altium.com/display/ADOH/Moving+to+Altium+Designer+From +OrCAD Steve Meier On Fri, 2009-01-30 at 13

Re: gEDA-user: Guerilla marketing...

2009-01-30 Thread Steve Meier
to programmer their flying probe tester. (translating PCB to and from pads ascii is one of my side pprojects) Steve Meier On Fri, 2009-01-30 at 16:55 -0700, John Doty wrote: These are importers, but you were talking about exporters before. But yes, there's more support for interoperabilty than I

Re: gEDA-user: Guerilla marketing...

2009-01-30 Thread Steve Meier
Specifically, exporting netlists to just about any other tool is a radical strength. That's a *specific* problem, of narrow interest Where as I WAS! (and will no longer) talking about the general issues of having to share work with others like open office can with MS office. Steve Meier

Re: gEDA-user: Guerilla marketing...

2009-01-30 Thread Steve Meier
:32 -0700, John Doty wrote: On Jan 30, 2009, at 6:16 PM, Steve Meier wrote: Specifically, exporting netlists to just about any other tool is a radical strength. That's a *specific* problem, of narrow interest Where as I WAS! (and will no longer) talking about the general issues

Re: gEDA-user: Guerilla marketing...

2009-01-30 Thread Steve Meier
GEDA is a Shark in a very small pond. On Fri, 2009-01-30 at 18:32 -0700, John Doty wrote: On Jan 30, 2009, at 6:16 PM, Steve Meier wrote: Specifically, exporting netlists to just about any other tool is a radical strength. That's a *specific* problem, of narrow interest Where

Re: gEDA-user: GTK RANT

2009-01-27 Thread Steve Meier
in one motion. To hit shift h and then d to descend a hierarchical structure takes two key strikes. Steve Meier On Tue, 2009-01-27 at 19:06 +, Peter Clifton wrote: On Tue, 2009-01-27 at 18:55 +, r wrote: *Personally*, I'm not a big fan of two-key shortcuts. They tend to slow down

Re: gEDA-user: Keyboard shorcuts [WAS: Re: GTK RANT]

2009-01-27 Thread Steve Meier
No Peter NO DJ might just design a keyboard with keys as small as 1005s just to see who could use it. Steve M. On Wed, 2009-01-28 at 00:08 +, Peter Clifton wrote: On Tue, 2009-01-27 at 18:40 -0500, Dan McMahill wrote: Peter Clifton wrote: The 10 most common actions/operations were

Re: gEDA-user: Keyboard shorcuts [WAS: Re: GTK RANT]

2009-01-27 Thread Steve Meier
can a 101 key keyboard fit on the paper strip of a paper match? On Tue, 2009-01-27 at 18:25 -0800, Steve Meier wrote: No Peter NO DJ might just design a keyboard with keys as small as 1005s just to see who could use it. Steve M. On Wed, 2009-01-28 at 00:08 +, Peter Clifton wrote

Re: gEDA-user: german article in the linux magazin online now

2009-01-26 Thread Steve Meier
Orcad to KiCAD or Eagle. Then everybody in the free software world will have to install geda. Steve Meier ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user

Re: gEDA-user: [OT] gEDA Linkedn group

2009-01-24 Thread Steve Meier
is about the code, features, bugs and documentation. Facebook and linkedin are about the people. Steve Meier On Sat, 2009-01-24 at 19:37 +, Peter Clifton wrote: On Sat, 2009-01-24 at 18:51 +0100, Giuseppe Dia wrote: Hi there, thanks for your prompt answer. Didn't want to stir a debate

Re: gEDA-user: [OT] gEDA Linkedn group

2009-01-24 Thread Steve Meier
themselves the official whatever fan club or use the copyrighted work of others without their permission. Can you imagine if every linux user group had have Linus's blessing? Poor Linus would be over whelmed. Steve Meier ___ geda-user mailing list geda

Re: gEDA-user: [OT] gEDA Linkedn group

2009-01-23 Thread Steve Meier
just this afternoon, I was contemplating this same issue (starting a linkedin group) for a mountaineering club I have long been a member of. Steve Meier On Fri, 2009-01-23 at 21:51 -0500, Ales Hvezda wrote: [snip] OK, but you can see where this idea creeps in: people wanting to work

Re: gEDA-user: [OT] gEDA Linkedn group

2009-01-23 Thread Steve Meier
;) I did and responded before you did. Steve M. On Fri, 2009-01-23 at 22:39 -0500, Ales Hvezda wrote: [snip] so what is off topic? Very little it seems. If you read my e-mail again, I didn't say anything was off topic. I just don't want to see another debate on the license, since it

Re: gEDA-user: Fritzing was: Re: geda-user Digest, Vol 32, Issue 92

2009-01-22 Thread Steve Meier
This reminds me of two facts of saturation magnetic recording on rotating (disc) media. You can only have an even number of transitions around a track. Also, as much as test engineers would like to both surfaces have to be spun at the same rpm. On Thu, 2009-01-22 at 13:02 -0500, DJ Delorie

Re: gEDA-user: [RFC 6/6] Generation of log files

2009-01-17 Thread Steve Meier
would clean up for a previous bad run. Steve Meier On Sat, 2009-01-17 at 07:37 +, Peter TB Brett wrote: On Saturday 17 January 2009 02:43:44 Steve Meier wrote: hmmm, isn't problem info being logged. I would agree if during the current run the logfile only included warnings. 99

Re: gEDA-user: [RFC 6/6] Generation of log files

2009-01-17 Thread Steve Meier
Amen On Sat, 2009-01-17 at 10:56 -0500, Ales Hvezda wrote: Currently, running any gEDA suite program leaves behind a log file in the current working directory. I would like to change the default to not generating log files, so that I (and other users who use the default configuration) don't

Re: gEDA-user: [RFC 6/6] Generation of log files

2009-01-16 Thread Steve Meier
hmmm, isn't problem info being logged. I would agree if during the current run the logfile only included warnings. how about if at the end of execution that if there was a problem of some class detected that the user be asked if the log file should be retained? On Fri, 2009-01-16 at 18:32

Re: gEDA-user: [RFC 6/6] Generation of log files

2009-01-16 Thread Steve Meier
and might have saved me the aforementioned accusation of generating corrupted files if my compatriots had had and had known how to read project build log files. A modern fable by Steve Meier On Fri, 2009-01-16 at 19:53 -0700, John Doty wrote: On Jan 16, 2009, at 7:43 PM, Steve Meier wrote: hmmm

Re: gEDA-user: [RFC 5/6] Use of X server clipboard

2009-01-16 Thread Steve Meier
. If the next application doesn't support the paste then of course I would like that LOGGED. Steve Meier On Fri, 2009-01-16 at 21:25 -0700, John Doty wrote: On Jan 16, 2009, at 8:48 PM, DJ Delorie wrote: A program should do one thing well. Capturing circuit information (regardless of what

Re: gEDA-user: Power (and other non-graphical) pins

2009-01-15 Thread Steve Meier
Do either of you think that one size shoe should fit all peoples feet? The market place of jobs will have opportunities for specialists and for generalists and for ranges in between. The generalist will be at a disadvantage when faced with a task that pushes state of the art for a specific

Re: gEDA-user: Power (and other non-graphical) pins

2009-01-14 Thread Steve Meier
John, That was eloquently said. I would suggest that geda/gaf users at a minimum should attempt to understand the scripting language scheme and its interface to gaf. Steve Meier On Wed, 2009-01-14 at 20:30 -0700, John Doty wrote: On Jan 14, 2009, at 6:43 PM, Joerg wrote: But I can only

Re: gEDA-user: Power (and other non-graphical) pins

2009-01-13 Thread Steve Meier
Well ~25 years ago, you didn't need no stinkin layout program you just wire wrapped from the net list which was hand generated. I still have holes in my fingers from those bloody pins. On Tue, 2009-01-13 at 16:00 -0500, DJ Delorie wrote: Sure, but I don't think that's what gEDA was meant to

Re: gEDA-user: Power (and other non-graphical) pins

2009-01-12 Thread Steve Meier
productive. One management technique that I have learned (I think in the army) is that some talks with people should be done one on one and not as a dressing down in public! Steve Meier On Mon, 2009-01-12 at 17:43 -0500, Ales Hvezda wrote: All, Oh no, not again... We have already had

gEDA-user: Who is evil?

2009-01-11 Thread Steve Meier
I would caution. That labeling of a company as evil just because they are offering use of proprietary tools, will probably turn off a lot of companies that you would like to sponsor geda. Show the corporate world that geda is more flexible, a strong supportive user base, support for simulation

Re: gEDA-user: Is gnetman available for download anywhere?

2009-01-04 Thread steve meier
The stock libgeda supports net type or bus type pins. I would just make it an option when editing a pin. Make the default type a net type. Current gschem behavior of a bus type not being able to connect to a net is fine thanks, Steve Meier On Fri, 2009-01-02 at 20:48 +, Peter Clifton wrote

Re: gEDA-user: Is gnetman available for download anywhere?

2008-12-26 Thread steve meier
into a single potentially massive undrawable page. Then the output script is run This currently supports PCB and PADS netlists -g PCB -g pads If you try this out before the end of the first week of january... well you have my best wishes. Steve Meier On Fri, 2008-12-26 at 03:27 -0800, Yamazaki R2

Re: gEDA-user: OT: Recommendations for laptop?

2008-12-26 Thread steve meier
) do you need to support non-usb flash memory (like from your digital camera) other then that get it loaded with dram and disk space. have fun, Steve Meier On Fri, 2008-12-26 at 04:54 -0800, Larry Doolittle wrote: Stuart - On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 07:33:13AM -0500, Stuart Brorson wrote

Re: gEDA-user: gnetlist and hierarchy

2008-12-21 Thread steve meier
appreciate it. Thanks, Steve Meier On Fri, 2008-12-19 at 18:09 +, Peter Clifton wrote: On Fri, 2008-12-19 at 18:13 +0100, Oliver Florian wrote: Hi, @Ales: Thanks for the statement, alone the certainty helped me a lot, really. @Steve: Thank you very much for your interest (sorry

Re: gEDA-user: gedasymbols.org

2008-12-20 Thread steve meier
Me thinks the odds of an ice storm in both Texas and New Hampshire concurrently is very low On Thu, 2008-12-18 at 12:43 -0500, DJ Delorie wrote: Thanks to John Griessen, gedasymbols.org now has a second server. Normally, both servers are used, but in the case of yet another outage at my house,

Re: gEDA-user: modify footprint and update layout

2008-12-17 Thread Steve Meier
Steve, Sure sounds like a good starting point. Steve M. On Wed, 2008-12-17 at 00:23 -0500, Steve Morss wrote: A year or two ago, I made a footprint replacement program which worked very well for me (I used it to swap out a few hundred parts with about 50 different footprints). It worked

Re: gEDA-user: modify footprint and update layout

2008-12-17 Thread Steve Meier
another good starting point. and the added fun of competing implementations. On Tue, 2008-12-16 at 23:20 -0800, Dean Ferreyra wrote: gene wrote: That is, modify a footprint in a library then have it get updated on all instances on the board - or at least be able to update a single

Re: gEDA-user: gedasymbols.org - site down?

2008-12-16 Thread Steve Meier
Yes. The weight of the ice on top of the wire was sufficient to twist the wire upside-down. No wonder I had to flip the symbols I just down loaded ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org

Re: gEDA-user: modify footprint and update layout

2008-12-16 Thread Steve Meier
. Seriously, this would be a good beginner project. Steve Meier On Tue, 2008-12-16 at 21:38 -0500, gene wrote: That is, modify a footprint in a library then have it get updated on all instances on the board - or at least be able to update a single instance. Is this possible? I found some older list

Re: gEDA-user: modify footprint and update layout

2008-12-16 Thread Steve Meier
For the advanced student do it as a plugin to pcb. On Tue, 2008-12-16 at 21:40 -0500, DJ Delorie wrote: That is, modify a footprint in a library then have it get updated on all instances on the board - or at least be able to update a single instance. Is this possible? I found some older

Re: gEDA-user: modify footprint and update layout

2008-12-16 Thread Steve Meier
I was thinking that the pcb file format does have a specific place components are found (in the pcb file). So a string comparison of the old string against the searched for string should work. Given that we found a match. Can we align the old land pattern in terms of x-y translation and

Re: gEDA-user: modify footprint and update layout

2008-12-16 Thread Steve Meier
Just to put it on the screen an example land pattern. Element(0x00 Surface Mount Chip Resistor 0603 R0 0 0 -31 -82 2 100 0x00) ( Pad(-2 0 2 0 39 30 50 pad 1 1 0x0100) Pad(65 0 69 0 39 30 50 pad 2 2 0x0100) ElementLine(-21 -35 87 -35 5) ElementLine( 87

Re: gEDA-user: modify footprint and update layout

2008-12-16 Thread Steve Meier
A good survey question: What are the most common reasons that you need to change land patterns? Steve Meier On Tue, 2008-12-16 at 22:38 -0500, DJ Delorie wrote: I could go a step further or two. Same number of pins? same number of pads. same pin and pad pin numbers? Each thing that must

Re: gEDA-user: modify footprint and update layout

2008-12-16 Thread Steve Meier
The pattern I picked had the wrong dimensions. The pattern I picked had the pin numbers wrong. On Tue, 2008-12-16 at 19:42 -0800, Steve Meier wrote: A good survey question: What are the most common reasons that you need to change land patterns? Steve Meier On Tue, 2008-12-16

Re: gEDA-user: gedasymbols.org - site down?

2008-12-15 Thread Steve Meier
maybe we ought to set up a mirror. Steve Meier On Mon, 2008-12-15 at 19:59 -0500, John Luciani wrote: The Northeast (U.S.) was hit with a major ice storm. IIRC gedasymbols.org is on DJs server which is located in NH. On the news tonight they were saying that some NH customers may not have

Re: gEDA-user: Press release: gEDA Project and Linux Fund partner to boost gEDA/PCB usability

2008-12-14 Thread Steve Meier
Very cool. Is there a list of enhancements to be done as pert of this project? Steve Meier On Sun, 2008-12-14 at 17:23 -0500, Stuart Brorson wrote: Good news for gEDA users! Please read the below press release, of interest to all gEDA users. It has gone out to a variety of EE news sources

Re: gEDA-user: Is it possible to route through ...

2008-12-14 Thread Steve Meier
with each others traces? I am familiar with bga devices with pitches of 1mm and I have squeezed 4 mill pitch traces between rows to escape the device. More typically I use a 4 mill width (now that pcb supports more then 8 layers) Steve Meier On Sun, 2008-12-14 at 21:30 -0500, gene wrote: Steve

Re: gEDA-user: Hanging a jack off the edge

2008-12-12 Thread Steve Meier
yep. Make the pcb work area larger then the board. add a silk screen around the edge of the board or make a separate board layer and put the outline there. Add a fabrication instruction to make the board to the outline. Steve M. On Fri, 2008-12-12 at 20:08 -0800, David Griffith wrote: Is

Re: gEDA-user: gnetlist and hierarchy

2008-12-10 Thread Steve Meier
or send me an example design? Along with comments about what your desired behavior is? Steve Meier On Sun, 2008-12-07 at 02:26 +0100, Oliver Florian wrote: Hi everybody, I'm currently working on a netlister backend and I am desperately looking for a solution regarding a problem with hierarchical

Re: gEDA-user: (no subject)

2008-12-02 Thread Steve Meier
No no Peter that would let you off far to easy. Your punishment for this infraction is the next 100 pieces of spam that hit your in-box. Would should have occurred by right . now. On Tue, 2008-12-02 at 12:27 +, Peter Clifton wrote: On Mon, 2008-12-01 at 21:25 -0500, Dave McGuire

Re: gEDA-user: (no subject)

2008-12-01 Thread Steve Meier
I tried, but the brake lever is stuck! On Mon, 2008-12-01 at 21:30 -0500, DJ Delorie wrote: Self-sufficiency has quite obviously gone out of style. Stop the world, I want to get off. See, now, if you were thinking clearly you'd want to stop the world so everyone *else* could get off.

Re: gEDA-user: (no subject)

2008-12-01 Thread Steve Meier
I am also sure, that somewhere within the windows vista operating system is a universal reset. Where is that button?. There might be a similar system call within linux but DJ is to worried about his clock to tell me the key to the obfuscated code. On Mon, 2008-12-01 at 18:41 -0800, Steve Meier

Re: gEDA-user: Some kind of library manager and hierarchical netlisting

2008-11-19 Thread Steve Meier
in reference designators and in net names. It would be a non-simple task to reconvert the hierarchical information in the reference designators and nets back into a hierarchical format. Steve Meier On Wed, 2008-11-19 at 10:32 +, Peter Clifton wrote: On Wed, 2008-11-19 at 10:23 +, r wrote: Hi

Re: gEDA-user: Some kind of library manager and hierarchical netlisting

2008-11-19 Thread Steve Meier
Yamazaki, I have done a fair amount of work on hierarchical netlisting. However, I run my own customized versions of libgeda and gnetlist. In my version, each page is netlisted separately and thus a back end could be written to retain the hierarchical information. Steve Meier On Tue, 2008-11

Re: gEDA-user: pcb, how to remove mm garbage (very short lines)?

2008-11-19 Thread Steve Meier
The Pads ASCII format uses a base unit of 0.0002624671916 inches which is 1.054 nM Converting it to metric causes an error of about 0.5 nM The PCB base unit is 0.1 inches Converting it to metric causes an error of 19.7 nM All I can figure out about why pads uses that weird number

Re: gEDA-user: pcb, how to remove mm garbage (very short lines)?

2008-11-19 Thread Steve Meier
). Steve Meier On Wed, 2008-11-19 at 10:22 -0800, Steve Meier wrote: The Pads ASCII format uses a base unit of 0.0002624671916 inches which is 1.054 nM Converting it to metric causes an error of about 0.5 nM The PCB base unit is 0.1 inches Converting it to metric causes

Re: gEDA-user: pcb, how to remove mm garbage (very short lines)?

2008-11-19 Thread Steve Meier
1 in = 25.3972 mm not exactly 25.4 but close enough for layout work if you use high enough precision. 25.4 to 1 might not be close enough if you are trying to put a satellite in orbit around mars. Steve M. On Wed, 2008-11-19 at 18:58 -0700, John Doty wrote: On Nov 19, 2008, at 4:08

Re: gEDA-user: pcb, how to remove mm garbage (very short lines)?

2008-11-19 Thread Steve Meier
/3937 meter or 1 yard = 0.914 401 8288 meter Which works out to be 1 in = 0.025400051 m Steve Meier http://www.wsdot.wa.gov/Reference/metrics/foottometer.htm On Wed, 2008-11-19 at 19:45 -0700, John Doty wrote: On Nov 19, 2008, at 7:21 PM, Steve Meier wrote: 1 in = 25.3972 mm

Re: gEDA-user: Want to Use TI's symbols, footprints

2008-11-13 Thread Steve Meier
I am pretty sure the answer is yes Steve Meier On Thu, 2008-11-13 at 13:45 -0500, Ethan Swint wrote: Duncan Drennan wrote: How about making use of the IPC-7351 footprint definitions instead? You can grab the free PCB Matrix land pattern viewer and calculator here, http

Re: gEDA-user: Using KiCAD netlist for PCB

2008-11-13 Thread Steve Meier
Can you attach an example KiCAD netlist? Steve Meier On Thu, 2008-11-13 at 22:01 -0200, Raphael Derosso Pereira wrote: Is it possible at least? Then I could finish schematics in KiCAD and begin layout on PCB. -- Raphael Derosso Pereira Engenheiro de Computação icq: 4517421

Re: gEDA-user: powermeter board, with less ground planes :-)

2008-11-01 Thread Steve Meier
I can't speak about all regions of the country let alone the world. but yes ask ask ask why do you do that if you use that tool what are the requirements I did ask today, uhm looking at DJ's clock ok yesterday. The assembly shop had a tool that would look around under the bga...

Re: gEDA-user: powermeter board, with less ground planes :-)

2008-10-31 Thread Steve Meier
of the reflow oven? or wash or final inspection? Steve Meier On Fri, 2008-10-31 at 20:31 -0400, Bob Paddock wrote: On Friday 31 October 2008 03:43:20 pm Joerg wrote: Much better. If you want to be extra good provide another 0.1uF parallel to the AVDD caps, close to pin 3. C13 in your

Re: gEDA-user: powermeter board, with less ground planes :-)

2008-10-31 Thread Steve Meier
at 20:58 -0400, Bob Paddock wrote: On Friday 31 October 2008 08:40:44 pm Steve Meier wrote: If having to switch between nozzles is a significant issue then there is room for a new pick and place equipment company that builds a multi-nozzle tool. They do exist of course, but there maybe

Re: gEDA-user: powermeter board, with less ground planes :-)

2008-10-31 Thread Steve Meier
It isn't your clock that is pulling all that power is it? Steve M. On Fri, 2008-10-31 at 22:45 -0400, DJ Delorie wrote: At the end of the day the only thing that counts is whether it's good enough and it looks like DJ's board should perform pretty well now. And yet I keep improving it

Re: gEDA-user: pcb, howto partition power planes?

2008-10-30 Thread Steve Meier
Dave, No I struggled three times to get usable url's so go down a couple more of my attempts and then you will have to take the line breaks out of the ultra long url but you can get there. Steve Meier On Thu, 2008-10-30 at 16:29 -0400, Dave McGuire wrote: I don't see any URLs

Re: gEDA-user: pcb, howto partition power planes?

2008-10-30 Thread Steve Meier
Ok ok ok go to my home page and look for links to hs table of contents and hs section 1 through 4 http://www.alchemyresearch.com/ Steve Meier On Thu, 2008-10-30 at 16:29 -0400, Dave McGuire wrote: I don't see any URLs in there.. -Dave On Oct 29, 2008, at 6:08 PM, Steve Meier

Re: gEDA-user: pcb, howto partition power planes?

2008-10-30 Thread Steve Meier
. And the urls are convoluted. Steve Meier On Thu, 2008-10-30 at 19:14 -0700, Steven Michalske wrote: Were you trying to format them with HTML? I bet the HTML filters on the mailing list were cutting out the links. On Oct 30, 2008, at 2:44 PM, Eric Winsor wrote: Steve, I don't see these other

Re: gEDA-user: pcb, howto partition power planes?

2008-10-29 Thread Steve Meier
On Tue, 2008-10-28 at 20:47 -0400, DJ Delorie wrote: Joerg [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: By now I'd say Prehistoric Digital Assistant. The only guy I know who actually still uses one is our pastor. I have one I use every day, but it's in my watch. So that watch isn't on a wrist band it is

Re: gEDA-user: pcb, howto partition power planes?

2008-10-29 Thread Steve Meier
I went looking to see if the Analog Device book was available electronically. Here are the links. Steve Meier High Speed System Applications Table of Contents High Speed System Applications Section 1: High Speed Data Conversion Overview High Speed System Applications Section 2

Re: gEDA-user: Size of symbols

2008-10-29 Thread Steve Meier
symbols are or how big your printer is it ain't readable. Steve Meier On Wed, 2008-10-29 at 18:22 -0400, Dave McGuire wrote: On Oct 29, 2008, at 5:33 PM, John Doty wrote: Should I adjust the size of the symbols or the size of title-B.sym? What is the correct way and how do I do that? I

Re: gEDA-user: pcb, howto partition power planes?

2008-10-28 Thread Steve Meier
. There is a lot more talked about then just that one blurb. Steve Meier On Tue, 2008-10-28 at 11:22 -0700, Joerg wrote: Stefan Salewski wrote: Sometimes it is necessary/recommended to partition (separate) power or ground planes, i.e. for ADC or DC/DC-Converters, see page 16 and 17 in http

Re: gEDA-user: pcb, howto partition power planes?

2008-10-28 Thread Steve Meier
yes it helps immensely to have a low pass filter issolating a device from the power planes. Steve Meier On Tue, 2008-10-28 at 14:49 -0400, DJ Delorie wrote: In my 20+ years in engineering I have yet to see one case where splitting a ground plane under high-speed ADCs has worked. What

Re: gEDA-user: pcb, howto partition power planes?

2008-10-28 Thread Steve Meier
increase it over 1000 times. Any noise that crosses over from the digital into the analog gets multiplied up by that gain as well. Steve Meier On Tue, 2008-10-28 at 15:02 -0400, Stuart Brorson wrote: Sometimes it is necessary/recommended to partition (separate) power or ground planes, i.e. for ADC

Re: gEDA-user: On/Off sheet nets in multi-page schematic

2008-10-28 Thread Steve Meier
For non-hierarchical schematics all nets that have the same net name attributes will be connected. Steve Meier On Tue, 2008-10-28 at 18:13 -0400, Rob Butts wrote: I have a multi-page schematic. I named the schematic according to the gschem guidelines name_pg#.sch. If I want to have a net

Re: gEDA-user: pcb, howto partition power planes?

2008-10-27 Thread Steve Meier
the power inductor or not. You can leave it open or you can short it. I also do similar activities for power supplies separating the board power from board sections. Makes it very easy to debug the board from one section to the next. Steve Meier On Mon, 2008-10-27 at 19:47 +0200, Duncan Drennan

Re: gEDA-user: pcb, howto partition power planes?

2008-10-27 Thread Steve Meier
of the board. Steve Meier On Mon, 2008-10-27 at 14:43 -0700, Steve Meier wrote: I agree with Niel, I separate my ground planes with a symbol for a power inductor. I do this at the schematic level and then I read the layout suggestions typically provided by the A/D data sheet on where to connect

Re: gEDA-user: A few questions about gschem, gnetlist, and gspiceui/ngspice

2008-10-23 Thread Steve Meier
the gnetlist option -g tells genlist what backend file to use. -g spice uses the file gnet-spice.scm on my machine it is found in /usr/local/share/gEDA/scheme it is also found in the gnetlist source code in the scheme directory Steve Meier On Thu, 2008-10-23 at 11:17 -0700, Yamazaki R2

Re: gEDA-user: OT: I hate footprints

2008-07-31 Thread Steve Meier
to capture all of this. My spread sheet is available upon request. Steve Meier On Thu, 2008-07-31 at 18:29 +0200, Philipp Klaus Krause wrote: It seems the only way to deal with them is to create each footprint from scratch eachtime I have to use one. Nearly eachtime I try to use an existing

Re: gEDA-user: Success with gEDA tools...

2008-07-18 Thread Steve Meier
percent of the time. Given one choice the odds of being correct only improve to about 70 percent. It got to the point that we require each board come with a tag telling us which parts were hand loaded so that we could visually inspect the board before power up. Steve Meier On Fri, 2008-07-18

Re: gEDA-user: Success with gEDA tools...

2008-07-18 Thread Steve Meier
and all. politics to boot. Steve M. Steve Meier wrote: Reversed polarized cap? Those ones are easy to find upon power up :) I don't think it is sufficient to rely upon the silk screen to provide assembly instructions. For cases like this you really need to provide written assembly

Re: gEDA-user: Hierarchial refdes vs. board assembler

2008-07-17 Thread Steve Meier
This might be one of the advantages for living in silicon valley. Competition probably drives the non-capable out. Bob Paddock wrote: On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 3:51 PM, Steve Meier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also, if you layed out a section and then duplicated it to make exact copies

Re: gEDA-user: Hierarchial refdes vs. board assembler

2008-07-17 Thread Steve Meier
not to be an issue these days but still. Check to see that they can handle your refdes scheme. Better to have them agree up front then for them to use it as an issue to delay your boards. This might actually also be a good project for the wiki. A standard format rfq which defines our requirements. Steve Meier

Re: gEDA-user: Hierarchial refdes vs. board assembler

2008-07-16 Thread Steve Meier
I have found they need a little education and then seem fine with it. There is no shortage of assembly shops and so they tend to be willing to work with their customers. Steve Meier On Wed, 2008-07-16 at 17:53 +0100, Peter Clifton wrote: Hi guys, I'm having a board made at the moment which

Re: gEDA-user: Hierarchial refdes vs. board assembler

2008-07-16 Thread Steve Meier
Also, if you layed out a section and then duplicated it to make exact copies their task should be easier not harder. Program the pick and place for that section duplicate the program with the correct translation. Steve Meier On Wed, 2008-07-16 at 17:53 +0100, Peter Clifton wrote: Hi guys

Re: gEDA-user: size of 0402 footprint

2008-07-14 Thread Steve Meier
Chip resistors: Length = Pad Length + pad separation + Pad Length in mm Package Length min 1.00 Length max 1.10 pad separation min 0.40 pad separation max 0.70 Width min 0.48 width max 0.60 pad length min 0.10 pad length max 0.30 height max 0.40 Chip Caps Length min 0.90 Length max

Re: gEDA-user: size of 0402 footprint

2008-07-13 Thread Steve Meier
If you are hand assembling get some extra parts too. If you are building by pick and place the extar parts will be built into the length of tape you are required to provide the shop. DJ Delorie wrote: My next project will take into the realms of the barely visible: 0402's are huge

Re: gEDA-user: Way OT: Architectural CAD programs (moving further left)

2008-07-03 Thread Steve Meier
Yea that is what I was thinking. My wife is a geologist and while she makes heavy use of ESRI GIS programs for mapping complex geology, faults, land slides etc. When it is time to do the cross sections she uses Adobe Illustrator. CAD seems good at representing very exact ideas it seems not as

Re: gEDA-user: Hybrid hierarchy

2008-06-27 Thread Steve Meier
pick one fpga sub-symbol for bom creation and all the rest for that device get the no_bom tag. If you run into problems with the standard netlister let me know and I will release a version of my nonstandard one. Best Wishes, Steve Meier On Fri, 2008-06-27 at 20:52 +0100, Peter Clifton wrote

Re: gEDA-user: Pin 1 placement in footprint

2008-06-25 Thread Steve Meier
DJ is right you can put it where ever you want. However some assembly shops would like to know where the center of the foot print is. Steve Meier On Wed, 2008-06-25 at 18:02 +0200, Tamas Szabo wrote: Hi, I just checked the footprint in newlib and found that in lot of the cases pin 1

Re: gEDA-user: hierarchy refdes's

2008-06-20 Thread Steve Meier
room for ambiguity. sheet 2 as a subset of a higher level sheet 2 would become 22R21 sheet 22 could have a an R21 so another component becomes 22R21 Steve Meier On Fri, 2008-06-20 at 15:41 +, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 05:29:20 -0400, gene wrote: I just need

Re: gEDA-user: hierarchy refdes's

2008-06-17 Thread Steve Meier
Wouldn't it be nice if the fab shop were to use a different color solder mask for each block On Tue, 2008-06-17 at 18:41 +0100, Peter Clifton wrote: On Tue, 2008-06-17 at 05:00 -0700, Steve Meier wrote: I don't know if pcb supports this but... In the Mentor Graphics Pads program you can

Re: gEDA-user: Connecting AGND with GND

2008-06-17 Thread Steve Meier
matching) crossing over moats. I have been using surface mount power inductors to connect the two grounds. e.g coilcraft SLC7530 Steve Meier Stefan Salewski wrote: Hello, I have a net called AGND for sensitive analog signals, and one net GND for general purpose. Of course I have

Re: gEDA-user: Connecting AGND with GND

2008-06-17 Thread Steve Meier
into the symbols and land patterns. Then as you are laying them out to be able to get a report. Steve Meier Dave McGuire wrote: On Jun 17, 2008, at 6:49 PM, Steve Meier wrote: Take a look at your data sheet for the ADC often these devices will require both analog and digiital ground and often

Re: gEDA-user: Blind Buried Vias

2008-06-10 Thread Steve Meier
the first three layers then drill and plate them using the first cnc file. The fab shop will then add the forth layer and use the second cnc file to drill and plate the entire four layers. Check with your fab shop to verify. Steve M. Steve Meier wrote: Neil, Another way to do this is to break

Re: gEDA-user: Using mm units in .pcb files

2008-06-10 Thread Steve Meier
I would like a base unit that supports both metric and English units and that allows me to pick a grid such that the pads of metric parts and English parts always center (with a reasonable tolerance) upon the grid Allowing me to snap traces to the grid for boards with both types. Steve Meier

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