[gentoo-user] libre vs openoffice

2011-06-01 Thread Stéphane Guedon
Hi Is there a way currently to install libreoffice on the same computer as openoffice ? Right now, emerge said open is blocking libreoffice, and I would like to try libre but keep open ... Best regards -- Stéphane Guedon page web : http://www.22decembre.eu/ carte de visite :

[gentoo-user] net-analyzer/rrdtool-1.4.5 hangs during build

2011-06-01 Thread Helmut Jarausch
Hi, I have just tried to emerge net-analyzer/rrdtool-1.4.5 (1.4.4 is currently installed), but it hangs This last messages are Resolve Portability Issues checking if msync with MS_ASYNC updates the files mtime... It doesn't use any CPU time, so it's probably waiting forever. Has anybody

Re: [gentoo-user] libre vs openoffice

2011-06-01 Thread Rudmer van Dijk
Hi, On Wednesday 01 June 2011, Stéphane Guedon wrote: Is there a way currently to install libreoffice on the same computer as openoffice ? Right now, emerge said open is blocking libreoffice, and I would like to try libre but keep open ... apparently not, but I recently switched to

Re: [gentoo-user] libre vs openoffice

2011-06-01 Thread Stéphane Guedon
On Wednesday 01 June 2011 09:23:51 Rudmer van Dijk wrote: Hi, On Wednesday 01 June 2011, Stéphane Guedon wrote: Is there a way currently to install libreoffice on the same computer as openoffice ? Right now, emerge said open is blocking libreoffice, and I would like to try libre but

Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone running a gentoo guest on virtualbox?

2011-06-01 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Wednesday 01 June 2011 11:52:25 Pandu Poluan wrote: On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 03:35, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday 31 May 2011 21:02:46 Alan McKinnon wrote: I see. In my head it is as if we're going against the udev principle of populating required device nodes. If udev

Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone running a gentoo guest on virtualbox?

2011-06-01 Thread Alan McKinnon
Apparently, though unproven, at 22:35 on Tuesday 31 May 2011, Mick did opine thusly: Considering that ~250 devices consumes a teeny-weeny bit of disk space and they are hidden from view normally, I say it's worth it leaving them in. Which is what vapier also says. I see. In my head it

Re: [gentoo-user] Cleaning redundant configuration files

2011-06-01 Thread Alan McKinnon
Apparently, though unproven, at 01:48 on Wednesday 01 June 2011, Peter Humphrey did opine thusly: It's quite simple logic... If a file is modified, it is no longer the file portage installed, so portage does not uninstall it. If anything, the problem is that the logic used by portage is

Re: [gentoo-user] Cleaning redundant configuration files

2011-06-01 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 1 Jun 2011 00:48:01 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote: It's quite simple logic... If a file is modified, it is no longer the file portage installed, so portage does not uninstall it. If anything, the problem is that the logic used by portage is too simple. I don't think it's too

Re: [gentoo-user] Cleaning redundant configuration files

2011-06-01 Thread Indi
On Wed, Jun 01, 2011 at 02:00:01AM +0200, Peter Humphrey wrote: Personally, I'd be livid if portage were to remove my carefully crafted work from time immemorial, without so much as a by-your-leave. Anyone who wants to delete his own work is free to do so, but the rest of us ought not to be

Re: [gentoo-user] Cleaning redundant configuration files

2011-06-01 Thread Alan McKinnon
Apparently, though unproven, at 11:31 on Wednesday 01 June 2011, Indi did opine thusly: On Wed, Jun 01, 2011 at 02:00:01AM +0200, Peter Humphrey wrote: Personally, I'd be livid if portage were to remove my carefully crafted work from time immemorial, without so much as a by-your-leave.

Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone running a gentoo guest on virtualbox?

2011-06-01 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 15:10, Joost Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: On Wednesday 01 June 2011 11:52:25 Pandu Poluan wrote: On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 03:35, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday 31 May 2011 21:02:46 Alan McKinnon wrote: I see.  In my head it is as if we're going

Re: [gentoo-user] net-analyzer/rrdtool-1.4.5 hangs during build

2011-06-01 Thread Alex Schuster
Helmut Jarausch writes: I have just tried to emerge net-analyzer/rrdtool-1.4.5 (1.4.4 is currently installed), but it hangs This last messages are Resolve Portability Issues checking if msync with MS_ASYNC updates the files mtime... It doesn't use any CPU time, so it's probably

Re: [gentoo-user] unable to find xcb-{aux, event, atom}

2011-06-01 Thread Allan Gottlieb
On Wed, Jun 01 2011, Mick wrote: On Wednesday 01 Jun 2011 05:00:08 Allan Gottlieb wrote: I get the following error several times when trying to emerge gnome-panel on oldlap, an ~x86 gentoo. CCLD panel-test-applets

Re: [gentoo-user] Cleaning redundant configuration files

2011-06-01 Thread Mike Edenfield
On 6/1/2011 5:47 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 11:31 on Wednesday 01 June 2011, Indi did opine thusly: On Wed, Jun 01, 2011 at 02:00:01AM +0200, Peter Humphrey wrote: Personally, I'd be livid if portage were to remove my carefully crafted work from time

Re: [gentoo-user] Cleaning redundant configuration files

2011-06-01 Thread David W Noon
On Wed, 01 Jun 2011 01:20:02 +0200, Neil Bothwick wrote about Re: [gentoo-user] Cleaning redundant configuration files: On Tue, 31 May 2011 17:26:43 +0100, David W Noon wrote: I'll trim my earlier quote down to the salient statement. It removes files that are still in the same state as when

Re: [gentoo-user] Caching Proxy alternative to Squid?

2011-06-01 Thread Florian Philipp
Am 01.06.2011 03:31, schrieb Adam Carter: I've been having problems with my Squid-equipped Gentoo box: For some sites, Squid just times out. But if I access the sites directly, they appear in my browser. And doing a direct wget from the Squidbox also works. Now I'm not

Re: [gentoo-user] Cleaning redundant configuration files

2011-06-01 Thread David W Noon
On Wed, 01 Jun 2011 02:00:01 +0200, Peter Humphrey wrote about Re: [gentoo-user] Cleaning redundant configuration files: On Wednesday 01 June 2011 00:14:04 Neil Bothwick wrote: [snip] A customised file contains an investment of the user's time, a generic file does not. That investment may be

Re: [gentoo-user] Cleaning redundant configuration files

2011-06-01 Thread Alan McKinnon
Apparently, though unproven, at 16:57 on Wednesday 01 June 2011, David W Noon did opine thusly: We agree on the usefulness of a purge-like option but not on the desirability or otherwise of the current default behaviour I called it an annoyance. Having to clean up obsolete configuration

Re: [gentoo-user] libre vs openoffice

2011-06-01 Thread Stéphane Guedon
On Wednesday 01 June 2011 09:32:48 Stéphane Guedon wrote: On Wednesday 01 June 2011 09:23:51 Rudmer van Dijk wrote: Hi, On Wednesday 01 June 2011, Stéphane Guedon wrote: Is there a way currently to install libreoffice on the same computer as openoffice ? Right now, emerge said

Re: [gentoo-user] Cleaning redundant configuration files

2011-06-01 Thread David W Noon
On Wed, 01 Jun 2011 17:20:03 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote about Re: [gentoo-user] Cleaning redundant configuration files: Sounds like you want a --really-all suboption to -C Basically, yes. I want it on -C and -c runs of emerge. This means it would not be applicable to upgrade or rebuild runs,

Re: [gentoo-user] Cleaning redundant configuration files

2011-06-01 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 1 Jun 2011 15:57:58 +0100, David W Noon wrote: No it's not. You were referring to a special case of the general statement I made. I can see no material difference in the two statements in question, unless you mean by the user is a special case. By whom else would files be modified

Re: [gentoo-user] Cleaning redundant configuration files

2011-06-01 Thread David W Noon
On Wed, 01 Jun 2011 18:20:02 +0200, Neil Bothwick wrote about Re: [gentoo-user] Cleaning redundant configuration files: On Wed, 1 Jun 2011 15:57:58 +0100, David W Noon wrote: [snip] Remember: we are discussing the COMPLETE DELETION of a package, not an upgrade or rebuild. We are discussing

Re: [gentoo-user] unable to find xcb-{aux, event, atom} (FIXED)

2011-06-01 Thread Allan Gottlieb
On Wed, Jun 01 2011, Allan Gottlieb wrote: On Wed, Jun 01 2011, Mick wrote: On Wednesday 01 Jun 2011 05:00:08 Allan Gottlieb wrote: I get the following error several times when trying to emerge gnome-panel on oldlap, an ~x86 gentoo. CCLD panel-test-applets

Re: [gentoo-user] virtualbox + kernel panic 2.6.38-r2

2011-06-01 Thread James
There doesn't seem to be anything in the VBox.log that indicates the system had a hard lockup. I imagine the kernel panicing resulted in VirtualBox being unable to write to the log. Is anyone running VB on a Linux raid partition? I've logically narrowed down the issue to one of the following:

Re: [gentoo-user] Cleaning redundant configuration files

2011-06-01 Thread Dale
David W Noon wrote: On Wed, 01 Jun 2011 18:20:02 +0200, Neil Bothwick wrote about Re: [gentoo-user] Cleaning redundant configuration files: On Wed, 1 Jun 2011 15:57:58 +0100, David W Noon wrote: [snip] Remember: we are discussing the COMPLETE DELETION of a package, not an

Re: [gentoo-user] Cleaning redundant configuration files

2011-06-01 Thread Todd Goodman
* David W Noon dwn...@ntlworld.com [110601 13:10]: On Wed, 01 Jun 2011 18:20:02 +0200, Neil Bothwick wrote about Re: [gentoo-user] Cleaning redundant configuration files: On Wed, 1 Jun 2011 15:57:58 +0100, David W Noon wrote: [snip] Remember: we are discussing the COMPLETE DELETION of a

Re: [gentoo-user] Cleaning redundant configuration files

2011-06-01 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Wednesday 01 June 2011 15:57:58 David W Noon wrote: On Wed, 01 Jun 2011 01:20:02 +0200, Neil Bothwick wrote about Re: [gentoo-user] Cleaning redundant configuration files: On Tue, 31 May 2011 17:26:43 +0100, David W Noon wrote: I'll trim my earlier quote down to the salient statement.

[gentoo-user] meaning of (-clutter) in an emerge USE list

2011-06-01 Thread Allan Gottlieb
In /etc/portage/package.use I have # Need these or for some games gnome-extra/gnome-games clutter opengl But when I try to emerge gnome-games, I don't get clutter [ebuild R ] gnome-extra/gnome-games-2.30.2-r1 USE=guile opengl -artworkextra (-clutter) -test 0 kB I know

Re: [gentoo-user] virtualbox + kernel panic 2.6.38-r2

2011-06-01 Thread Mark Knecht
On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 10:44 AM, James j...@nc.rr.com wrote: There doesn't seem to be anything in the VBox.log that indicates the system had a hard lockup. I imagine the kernel panicing resulted in VirtualBox being unable to write to the log. Is anyone running VB on a Linux raid partition?

Re: [gentoo-user] meaning of (-clutter) in an emerge USE list

2011-06-01 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Wednesday 01 June 2011 14:25:50 Allan Gottlieb wrote: In /etc/portage/package.use I have # Need these or for some games gnome-extra/gnome-games clutter opengl But when I try to emerge gnome-games, I don't get clutter [ebuild R ]

Re: [gentoo-user] Cleaning redundant configuration files

2011-06-01 Thread David W Noon
On Wed, 01 Jun 2011 20:20:02 +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote about Re: [gentoo-user] Cleaning redundant configuration files: On Wednesday 01 June 2011 15:57:58 David W Noon wrote: [snip] I called it an annoyance. Having to clean up obsolete configuration files is just that, unless you can

Re: [gentoo-user] Cleaning redundant configuration files

2011-06-01 Thread David W Noon
On Wed, 01 Jun 2011 20:20:01 +0200, Dale wrote about Re: [gentoo-user] Cleaning redundant configuration files: Even if the -C option is used, I would still want it to be something extra to remove config files. As stated before, I sometimes emerge -C a package then emerge it again. I still want

Re: [gentoo-user] Cleaning redundant configuration files

2011-06-01 Thread David W Noon
On Wed, 01 Jun 2011 20:20:02 +0200, Todd Goodman wrote about Re: [gentoo-user] Cleaning redundant configuration files: What you seem to ignore or miss in the discussion is that an emerge -C is necessary at times during an upgrade and rebuild when package dependencies are not perfect. See my

Re: [gentoo-user] libre vs openoffice

2011-06-01 Thread Philip Webb
110601 Rudmer van Dijk wrote: On Wednesday 01 June 2011, Stéphane Guedon wrote: Is there a way to install libreoffice on the same computer as openoffice? emerge said open is blocking libreoffice apparently not, but I recently switched to libreoffice and it just works. you can always store

Re: [gentoo-user] meaning of (-clutter) in an emerge USE list

2011-06-01 Thread Allan Gottlieb
On Wed, Jun 01 2011, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Wednesday 01 June 2011 14:25:50 Allan Gottlieb wrote: In /etc/portage/package.use I have # Need these or for some games gnome-extra/gnome-games clutter opengl But when I try to emerge gnome-games, I don't get clutter

Re: [gentoo-user] virtualbox + kernel panic 2.6.38-r2

2011-06-01 Thread James
I'll get the error message and then post it here. I'm using Samsung drives that haven't seen any other problems under heavily utilization. What specific kernel version are you using? What version of vbox? -j On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 14:52, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 1,

Re: [gentoo-user] virtualbox + kernel panic 2.6.38-r2

2011-06-01 Thread Mark Knecht
On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 12:33 PM, James j...@nc.rr.com wrote: I'll get the error message and then post it here. I'm using Samsung drives that haven't seen any other problems under heavily utilization. What specific kernel version are you using? What version of vbox? -j The underlying

Re: [gentoo-user] mutt: Tagging on the contents of mails

2011-06-01 Thread Willie Wong
On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 08:01:00AM -0400, Todd Goodman wrote: Yes, Dale, I tried that before. T tage mail matching a pattern does not what I seems to be: It matches only against the subject line. This was the reason, why I asked here... Best regards, mcc Hi mcc, What are

Re: [gentoo-user] meaning of (-clutter) in an emerge USE list

2011-06-01 Thread Paul Hartman
On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 1:25 PM, Allan Gottlieb gottl...@nyu.edu wrote: In /etc/portage/package.use I have    # Need these or for some games    gnome-extra/gnome-games         clutter opengl But when I try to emerge gnome-games, I don't get clutter   [ebuild   R   ]

Re: [gentoo-user] Cleaning redundant configuration files

2011-06-01 Thread Todd Goodman
* David W Noon dwn...@ntlworld.com [110601 14:41]: On Wed, 01 Jun 2011 20:20:02 +0200, Todd Goodman wrote about Re: [gentoo-user] Cleaning redundant configuration files: What you seem to ignore or miss in the discussion is that an emerge -C is necessary at times during an upgrade and rebuild

Re: [gentoo-user] Caching Proxy alternative to Squid?

2011-06-01 Thread Pandu Poluan
Hi! Sorry for not answering sooner; got sidetracked by other high-priority job demands... On 2011-06-01, Florian Philipp li...@binarywings.net wrote: Am 01.06.2011 03:31, schrieb Adam Carter: I've been having problems with my Squid-equipped Gentoo box: For some sites, Squid just times

Re: [gentoo-user] Caching Proxy alternative to Squid?

2011-06-01 Thread Florian Philipp
Am 01.06.2011 22:31, schrieb Pandu Poluan: Hi! Sorry for not answering sooner; got sidetracked by other high-priority job demands... On 2011-06-01, Florian Philipp li...@binarywings.net wrote: Am 01.06.2011 03:31, schrieb Adam Carter: I've been having problems with my Squid-equipped

Re: [gentoo-user] Cleaning redundant configuration files

2011-06-01 Thread Dale
Todd Goodman wrote: * David W Noondwn...@ntlworld.com [110601 14:41]: On Wed, 01 Jun 2011 20:20:02 +0200, Todd Goodman wrote about Re: [gentoo-user] Cleaning redundant configuration files: What you seem to ignore or miss in the discussion is that an emerge -C is necessary at times

Re: [gentoo-user] Cleaning redundant configuration files

2011-06-01 Thread Dale
David W Noon wrote: That's easy: if you know you are going to reinstall after deleting, just take a backup copy of those files you have modified, which is usually only the one configuration file. After the reinstallation, restore from your backup. Alternatively, you can switch the suggested

Re: [gentoo-user] How do I eject an audio CD inside Gnome?

2011-06-01 Thread Alan Mackenzie
Hello, Stroller. On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 12:26:45AM +0100, Stroller wrote: On 30/5/2011, at 11:10am, Alan Mackenzie wrote: ... Right clicking on Audio Disc gives an eject menu point. YUCK!!! If I'd've wanted an Apple Macintosh, I know where to buy one. I just want my drive's eject

Re: [gentoo-user] unable to find xcb-{aux, event, atom} (FIXED)

2011-06-01 Thread Mick
On Wednesday 01 Jun 2011 18:38:35 Allan Gottlieb wrote: On Wed, Jun 01 2011, Allan Gottlieb wrote: On Wed, Jun 01 2011, Mick wrote: On Wednesday 01 Jun 2011 05:00:08 Allan Gottlieb wrote: I get the following error several times when trying to emerge gnome-panel on oldlap, an ~x86 gentoo.

Re: [gentoo-user] How do I eject an audio CD inside Gnome?

2011-06-01 Thread Mick
On Tuesday 31 May 2011 14:45:47 Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 13:46 on Monday 30 May 2011, Mick did opine thusly: e17 is the best desktop for me, because it is extremely light footed, has enough eye candy (if you need that) and it is relatively configurable. Until

Re: [gentoo-user] meaning of (-clutter) in an emerge USE list

2011-06-01 Thread Sebastian Beßler
Am 01.06.2011 20:25, schrieb Allan Gottlieb: I know that the (-clutter) means that the clutter flag has been removed, The flag is not removed as in is not there anymore but it is masked because using it makes, at a high percentage, problems of some kind . You could unmask that flag if you want

Re: [gentoo-user] meaning of (-clutter) in an emerge USE list

2011-06-01 Thread Allan Gottlieb
On Wed, Jun 01 2011, Paul Hartman wrote: On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 1:25 PM, Allan Gottlieb gottl...@nyu.edu wrote: In /etc/portage/package.use I have    # Need these or for some games    gnome-extra/gnome-games         clutter opengl But when I try to emerge gnome-games, I don't get clutter

Re: [gentoo-user] meaning of (-clutter) in an emerge USE list

2011-06-01 Thread Allan Gottlieb
On Wed, Jun 01 2011, Sebastian Beßler wrote: Am 01.06.2011 20:25, schrieb Allan Gottlieb: I know that the (-clutter) means that the clutter flag has been removed, The flag is not removed as in is not there anymore but it is masked because using it makes, at a high percentage, problems of

Re: [gentoo-user] How do I eject an audio CD inside Gnome?

2011-06-01 Thread Alan McKinnon
, though unproven, at 00:05 on Thursday 02 June 2011, Mick did opine thusly: On Tuesday 31 May 2011 14:45:47 Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 13:46 on Monday 30 May 2011, Mick did opine thusly: e17 is the best desktop for me, because it is extremely light footed,

Re: [gentoo-user] Cleaning redundant configuration files

2011-06-01 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 01 Jun 2011 13:06:23 -0500, Dale wrote: I would think this would be a idea on this. Do a emerge -C to get the regular way and a emerge -CC to remove everything literally, including config files. So a bit of keyboard bounce can nuke your configs? No thanks. I'd rather have an

Re: [gentoo-user] Cleaning redundant configuration files

2011-06-01 Thread Alan McKinnon
Apparently, though unproven, at 17:52 on Wednesday 01 June 2011, David W Noon did opine thusly: On Wed, 01 Jun 2011 17:20:03 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote about Re: [gentoo-user] Cleaning redundant configuration files: Sounds like you want a --really-all suboption to -C Basically, yes. I

Re: [gentoo-user] Cleaning redundant configuration files

2011-06-01 Thread Dale
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 01 Jun 2011 13:06:23 -0500, Dale wrote: I would think this would be a idea on this. Do a emerge -C to get the regular way and a emerge -CC to remove everything literally, including config files. So a bit of keyboard bounce can nuke your configs? No

Re: [gentoo-user] How do I eject an audio CD inside Gnome?

2011-06-01 Thread Mick
On Wednesday 01 Jun 2011 23:50:18 Alan McKinnon wrote: , though unproven, at 00:05 on Thursday 02 June 2011, Mick did opine thusly: On Tuesday 31 May 2011 14:45:47 Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 13:46 on Monday 30 May 2011, Mick did opine thusly: e17 is