On Mon, 12 Sep 2011 08:31:09 PM Alan Mackenzie wrote:
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 03:35:19PM -0400, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
I read that page. I understand the problem. I'm not convinced.
I can respect that. I can only then say that we must agree to
disagree, because I also understand the
On Mon, 12 Sep 2011 23:28:07 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:
And for those that claim /var would never be needed early, what if
somebody's weirdo setup wants a network connection early? I assume
they'd want the firewall to be up when the network goes up. Ever heard
of
On Monday, September 12, 2011 10:24:05 PM Alex Schuster wrote:
Canek Peláez Valdés writes:
But what you guys don't seem to realize is that /lib and /bin and
/sbin was the original hack: everything really should go into /usr,
because now (with an initramfs) we can do what we were not able 30
On Tuesday, September 13, 2011 04:18:38 AM Peter Humphrey wrote:
On Monday 12 September 2011 21:31:09 Alan Mackenzie wrote:
They could have put everything on /usr 30 years ago, if they'd have seen
fit. They saw then good reason not to. What you and KS seem oblivious
to is the reason for
On Monday, September 12, 2011 04:07:46 PM Michael Mol wrote:
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 3:41 PM, Michael Schreckenbauer grim...@gmx.de
wrote:
On Monday, 12. September 2011 15:18:53 Michael Mol wrote:
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 3:07 PM, Michael Schreckenbauer
grim...@gmx.de
wrote:
On
On Mon, 12 Sep 2011 05:59:29 PM Michael Schreckenbauer wrote:
Hi Canek,
On Monday, 12. September 2011 11:35:13 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
(This would be my only post in this new thread: I think I have made my
point of view clear in the other thread).
I have seen a lot of
On Monday, September 12, 2011 07:31:54 PM Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 6:00 PM, Michael Schreckenbauer grim...@gmx.de
wrote:
On Monday, 12. September 2011 22:57:40 Alan McKinnon wrote:
On Mon, 12 Sep 2011 16:07:46 -0400
Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote:
No,
On 12 September 2011 15:26, Michael Schreckenbauer grim...@gmx.de wrote:
Hi,
On Monday, 12. September 2011 15:01:34 András Csányi wrote:
Dear All,
I have two question about Xfce:
Is used
kwin under xfce somehow? If a KDE application is used kwin always gets
in the picture?
No, unless
On Sep 13, 2011 10:06 AM, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote:
Hi,
I am using the US layout for my keyboard in the altgr-intlk variant.
UTF8 is activated.
Furthermore I use CAPS LOCK as compose key. I tried compose key
sequences from /usr/share/X11/locale/en_US.UTF-8/Compose and many
do work.
On Monday, 12. September 2011 19:31:54 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 6:00 PM, Michael Schreckenbauer grim...@gmx.de
wrote:
On Monday, 12. September 2011 22:57:40 Alan McKinnon wrote:
On Mon, 12 Sep 2011 16:07:46 -0400
Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote:
No, it
On 9/12/2011 1:17 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
Well, I'm a hacker. udev is free source, therefore fair game. I don't
intend to put up with this nonsense without a fight. As far as I can
make out, this is just one guy, Kay Sievers, who's on a power trip. Are
there any indications at all that he
On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 08:38:30 -0400, Mike Edenfield wrote:
Well, I'm a hacker. udev is free source, therefore fair game. I
don't intend to put up with this nonsense without a fight. As far as
I can make out, this is just one guy, Kay Sievers, who's on a power
trip. Are there any
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 8:38 AM, Mike Edenfield kut...@kutulu.org wrote:
On 9/12/2011 1:17 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
Well, I'm a hacker. udev is free source, therefore fair game. I don't
intend to put up with this nonsense without a fight. As far as I can
make out, this is just one guy,
On 09/12/2011 01:53 AM, Alex Schuster wrote:
Francisco Ares writes:
Is it possible to have /var in a separate partition, mounted during
boot?
This is very common. The advantage is that a process filling up the /var
directory (which is bad) will not fill the root partition (which would be
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 07:50:13PM +0200, Michael Schreckenbauer wrote:
Hi Alan,
On Monday, 12. September 2011 17:17:37 Alan Mackenzie wrote:
Hi, Michael.
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 05:33:34PM +0200, Michael Schreckenbauer wrote:
Hi Alan,
Well, I'm a hacker. udev is free source,
Hi Alan,
On Tuesday, 13. September 2011 14:40:36 Alan Mackenzie wrote:
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 07:50:13PM +0200, Michael Schreckenbauer wrote:
Hi Alan,
On Monday, 12. September 2011 17:17:37 Alan Mackenzie wrote:
Hi, Michael.
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 05:33:34PM +0200, Michael
On 13 September 2011, at 13:45, Neil Bothwick wrote:
...
http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/separate-usr-is-broken
Apart from vague references to us and many upstream developers there
is no real indication that this is motivated by any more than the one
individual, from his
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 08:04:14AM +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote
This is why the whole /usr issue is irrelevant and not a fix at all. All
it does is avoid the most common breakages caused by udev trying to run
all its rules too early in the boot process. Putting /var on / would
fix your example,
On Tuesday, September 13, 2011 03:23:45 PM Daniel Troeder wrote:
On 09/12/2011 01:53 AM, Alex Schuster wrote:
Francisco Ares writes:
Is it possible to have /var in a separate partition, mounted during
boot?
This is very common. The advantage is that a process filling up the /var
On Tuesday, 13. September 2011 11:21:22 Walter Dnes wrote:
This thread reminds me of the old joke that an elephant is actually a
mouse designed by a committee. Trying to cover every possible edge case
with a one-size-fits-all solution doesn't work without bloating
everybody's system. If
Hi, Michael.
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 04:55:15PM +0200, Michael Schreckenbauer wrote:
Hi Alan,
On Tuesday, 13. September 2011 14:40:36 Alan Mackenzie wrote:
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 07:50:13PM +0200, Michael Schreckenbauer wrote:
Ah. OK. Maybe I've misunderstood the whole thing. Could it
On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 16:09:59 +0100, Stroller wrote:
http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/separate-usr-is-broken
Apart from vague references to us and many upstream developers
there is no real indication that this is motivated by any more than
the one individual, from his
On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 11:21:22 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:
This is why the whole /usr issue is irrelevant and not a fix at all.
All it does is avoid the most common breakages caused by udev trying
to run all its rules too early in the boot process. Putting /var on /
would fix your example,
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 11:38 AM, Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote:
Hi, Michael.
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 04:55:15PM +0200, Michael Schreckenbauer wrote:
Hi Alan,
On Tuesday, 13. September 2011 14:40:36 Alan Mackenzie wrote:
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 07:50:13PM +0200, Michael Schreckenbauer
On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 15:38:41 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote about Re:
[gentoo-user] udev + /usr:
Still, there's one program that can't be
moved, and that's /sbin/init. :-)
Says you! ... :-)
man 8 switch_root
The second parameter is the revised init.
--
Regards,
Dave [RLU #314465]
On Tuesday, September 13, 2011 04:49:25 PM Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 11:21:22 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:
This is why the whole /usr issue is irrelevant and not a fix at all.
All it does is avoid the most common breakages caused by udev trying
to run all its rules too early
Hello,
When you run kde-4 on gentoo and use the kde-login-manager app
are the login sessions recorded into a permanent or temporary file?
I looked in /etc/kde ; /var/log/kdm.log and xdm.log
and have found nothing.
I did find /var/log/wtmp, but it is not in a human
readable format?
I did
On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 17:25:49 + (UTC), James wrote:
When you run kde-4 on gentoo and use the kde-login-manager app
are the login sessions recorded into a permanent or temporary file?
I looked in /etc/kde ; /var/log/kdm.log and xdm.log
and have found nothing.
I did find
James writes:
When you run kde-4 on gentoo and use the kde-login-manager app
are the login sessions recorded into a permanent or temporary file?
I looked in /etc/kde ; /var/log/kdm.log and xdm.log
and have found nothing.
I did find /var/log/wtmp, but it is not in a human
readable
When I try to print with evince I get:
Missing %%EndProlog!
and the printer is not printing.
Anybody know what is it?
--
Joseph
Paul Colquhoun wrote:
On Mon, 12 Sep 2011 08:31:09 PM Alan Mackenzie wrote:
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 03:35:19PM -0400, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
I read that page. I understand the problem. I'm not convinced.
I can respect that. I can only then say that we must agree to
disagree, because I
On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 12:14:42 -0400
Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote:
I repeat that I pointed this thread since the beginning. We (the
users) can argue until our mouths are dry. The final decision (and the
only one that matters) is on the developer's hands.
That is patently not true.
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 4:35 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 12:14:42 -0400
Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote:
I repeat that I pointed this thread since the beginning. We (the
users) can argue until our mouths are dry. The final decision (and the
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 4:52 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote:
Want to change the direction of the distro? You know what needs to be done.
Be more specific. It sounds like there are a lot of people in here who
want to change the direction of the distro.
Is it simply subscribing to
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 4:57 PM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 4:52 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote:
Want to change the direction of the distro? You know what needs to be done.
Be more specific. It sounds like there are a lot of people in here who
On Tuesday, 13. September 2011 17:10:40 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 4:57 PM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 4:52 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com
wrote:
Want to change the direction of the distro? You know what needs to be
done.
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 5:30 PM, Michael Schreckenbauer grim...@gmx.de wrote:
On Tuesday, 13. September 2011 17:10:40 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 4:57 PM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 4:52 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 02:26:35 -0400
Philip Webb purs...@ca.inter.net wrote:
I recently removed Java from my system: all I seem to have lost
is direct access to the help files in LibreOffice,
which have a fully adequate PDF substitute.
The offlinehelp flag is now in the libreoffice-l10n ebuild.
On Tuesday, 13. September 2011 17:53:04 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 5:30 PM, Michael Schreckenbauer grim...@gmx.de
wrote:
There are already devs on our side. Fortunatly one of them maintains
openrc
:)
I really don't see them as sides. We are not at war.
:)
And
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 6:10 PM, Michael Schreckenbauer grim...@gmx.de wrote:
On Tuesday, 13. September 2011 17:53:04 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 5:30 PM, Michael Schreckenbauer grim...@gmx.de
wrote:
There are already devs on our side. Fortunatly one of them maintains
On Tuesday 13 September 2011 08:48:06 András Csányi wrote:
On 12 September 2011 15:26, Michael Schreckenbauer grim...@gmx.de wrote:
That seems to be smart placement, which is based on the windows size.
You can adjust that in Settings-Window Manager Tweaks-Placement.
If that doesn't suffice,
On 9/13/2011 10:40 AM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 07:50:13PM +0200, Michael Schreckenbauer wrote:
it works for you, because your udev-rules need nothing from /usr/*
It's *not* udev requiring /usr, it's the scripts triggered by the rules.
Ah. OK. Maybe I've misunderstood
On 9/13/2011 8:45 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 08:38:30 -0400, Mike Edenfield wrote:
Well, I'm a hacker. udev is free source, therefore fair game. I
don't intend to put up with this nonsense without a fight. As far as
I can make out, this is just one guy, Kay Sievers, who's
Hi at all!
For using Google App Engine, I wanted to emerge Python 2.5, so I did
emerge -av =dev-lang/python-2.5.4-r4
and everything went fine, until:
/usr/bin/install -c -m 644 pyconfig.h
/var/tmp/portage/dev-lang/python-2.5.4-r4/image//usr/include/python2.5/pyconfig.h
emake failed
* ERROR:
Moritz Schlarb writes:
/usr/bin/install -c -m 644 pyconfig.h
/var/tmp/portage/dev-lang/python-2.5.4-r4/image//usr/include/python2.5/pyconfig.h
emake failed
* ERROR: dev-lang/python-2.5.4-r4 failed (install phase):
* emake altinstall maninstall failed
[...]
Doesn't make much sense to
On Tue, Sep 13 2011, Jonathan wrote:
On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 02:26:35 -0400
Philip Webb purs...@ca.inter.net wrote:
I recently removed Java from my system: all I seem to have lost
is direct access to the help files in LibreOffice,
which have a fully adequate PDF substitute.
The offlinehelp
On Thu, Sep 08, 2011 at 04:03:53PM -0400, Canek Pel??ez Vald??s wrote
I answered that already (actually, in that paragraph). But again: udev
is not trivial, and it solves a (far from) trivial problem. If some
developers think they can outsmart the kernel devs, please, lets try
it. Maybe they
On Tuesday, September 13, 2011 06:33:01 PM Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 6:10 PM, Michael Schreckenbauer grim...@gmx.de
wrote:
If gentoo follows fedora on this mandatory initramfs trail, I'll switch
to FreeBSD completely. My software works on way more systems than just
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