Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-19 Thread Davide De Prisco
2013/7/19 luis jure l...@internet.com.uy on 2013-07-18 at 23:40 Davide De Prisco wrote: I created partitions with fdisk and then I usually push all in with dd from the old disk. For the grub you can install it like a normal disk. did you use GPT or plain old MBR? so there's nothing

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-19 Thread Dale
luis jure wrote: hello list, i want to migrate my system, currently in a HD, to a new SSD. i thought it would be easy, but i decided to read a little before partitioning the disk (my first SDD) and now i'm really confused... i intend to have only two partitions in the SSD: one for / and the

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE and NetworkManager

2013-07-19 Thread András Csányi
On 17 July 2013 15:03, Bruce Hill da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 02:18:22PM +0200, András Csányi wrote: On 17 July 2013 13:59, Bruce Hill da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 10:04:12AM +0200, András Csányi wrote: mingdao@jeremiah

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-19 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 19/07/2013 08:56, Dale wrote: luis jure wrote: hello list, i want to migrate my system, currently in a HD, to a new SSD. i thought it would be easy, but i decided to read a little before partitioning the disk (my first SDD) and now i'm really confused... i intend to have only two

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE and NetworkManager

2013-07-19 Thread András Csányi
On 17 July 2013 14:49, Bruce Hill da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 01:39:36PM +0200, András Csányi wrote: On 17 July 2013 11:35, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 10:04:12 +0200, András Csányi wrote: Ok. How is possible to get the

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE and NetworkManager

2013-07-19 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Fri, 19 Jul 2013 09:35:52 +0200, András Csányi wrote: Ok. How is possible to get the post-install message of an ebuild without re-emerge the package neither opening the log file? The man page of emerge cannot say anything about it. When I sad that to read the ebuild is not user

[gentoo-user] Re: KVM networking help (solved)

2013-07-19 Thread Nilesh Govindrajan
On Jul 17, 2013 11:58 PM, Nilesh Govindrajan m...@nileshgr.com wrote: Hi, I need some help settling up networking with KVM machines. I have one public interface with four publicly accessible IPs. I want to run a private virtual network for the VMs, such that every VM can access every other

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-19 Thread Dale
Alan McKinnon wrote: On 19/07/2013 08:56, Dale wrote: luis jure wrote: hello list, i want to migrate my system, currently in a HD, to a new SSD. i thought it would be easy, but i decided to read a little before partitioning the disk (my first SDD) and now i'm really confused... i intend to

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE and NetworkManager

2013-07-19 Thread András Csányi
On 19 July 2013 10:17, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Fri, 19 Jul 2013 09:35:52 +0200, András Csányi wrote: Ok. How is possible to get the post-install message of an ebuild without re-emerge the package neither opening the log file? The man page of emerge cannot say anything

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-19 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Fri, 19 Jul 2013 03:22:11 -0500, Dale wrote: Do you really want to put /home on a SSD? Why not? /home is the most frequently-read directory on most systems, and SSD is ideal for that. If you are concerned about wear-levelling, /home is not the danger point Interesting.

Re: [gentoo-user] syslog-ng segfaults

2013-07-19 Thread Adam Carter
syslog-ng[32015]: segfault at 44d8 ip 7f4f3fa23c83 sp 7fffb233b940 error 4 in libsyslog-ng.so.0.0.0 (deleted)[7f4f3f9eb000 +67000] Has anybody else seen anything like that? Perhaps you forgot to restart syslog-ng after the update? # ldd /usr/sbin/syslog-ng | grep libsyslog-ng

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-19 Thread Dale
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Fri, 19 Jul 2013 03:22:11 -0500, Dale wrote: Do you really want to put /home on a SSD? Why not? /home is the most frequently-read directory on most systems, and SSD is ideal for that. If you are concerned about wear-levelling, /home is not the danger point

Re: [gentoo-user] syslog-ng segfaults

2013-07-19 Thread Alexey Mishustin
2013/7/19 Adam Carter adamcart...@gmail.com: syslog-ng[32015]: segfault at 44d8 ip 7f4f3fa23c83 sp 7fffb233b940 error 4 in libsyslog-ng.so.0.0.0 (deleted)[7f4f3f9eb000 +67000] Has anybody else seen anything like that? Perhaps you forgot to restart syslog-ng after the update?

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-19 Thread Randolph Maaßen
2013/7/19 Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com Neil Bothwick wrote: On Fri, 19 Jul 2013 03:22:11 -0500, Dale wrote: Do you really want to put /home on a SSD? Why not? /home is the most frequently-read directory on most systems, and SSD is ideal for that. If you are concerned about

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-19 Thread Helmut Jarausch
On 07/19/2013 11:33:33 AM, Randolph Maaßen wrote: 2013/7/19 Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com Neil Bothwick wrote: SSDs are not like USB flash drives, and it's been years since I managed to wear one of those out (mainly due to a kernel bug). They have lifetimes similar to spinny disks these

[gentoo-user] ZFS is slow? readahead and zfs

2013-07-19 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Hello, I am using zfs for a while now. I am not using it for / but for /var and my media collection. PORTDIR is /var/portage so portage files are on zfs too. This resulted in portage being incredible slow. eix-sync took ages, emerge - auv world gave you enought time to prepare a meal. And eat

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-19 Thread Paul Hartman
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 1:56 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Do you really want to put /home on a SSD? My first step into SSD on my desktop was to put everything-but-home onto it. I left home on a HDD. Speedup was very noticeable! Especially portage-related things were very much faster

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-19 Thread luis jure
on 2013-07-19 at 01:56 Dale wrote: Do you really want to put /home on a SSD? well, not actually the whole /home, the SSD is too small for that. i'm not sure yet, i might keep /home on a HDD and mount the partition on the SSD as a directory under /home for some special uses. or the other way

Re: [gentoo-user] [Solved] syslog-ng segfaults

2013-07-19 Thread Randy Barlow
Dan Johansson wrote: Question: Is this a physical host or is it a virtual host running under qemu? Reason for my question ist that recently the CPU-Id presented from quemu in the guest has changed and if you have CFLAGS=-march=native then some newly compiles SW could fail. One way to solve this

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-19 Thread Bruce Hill
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 03:55:37AM -0500, Dale wrote: Now I really feel about better getting one. That was my concern and reason for the question. I'm sure /home gets its share of reads and writes and was thinking the writes would cause a problem over time. Maybe they are better now

Re: [gentoo-user] [Solved] syslog-ng segfaults

2013-07-19 Thread Alexey Mishustin
2013/7/19 Dan Johansson dan.johans...@dmj.nu: Question: Is this a physical host or is it a virtual host running under qemu? Reason for my question ist that recently the CPU-Id presented from quemu in the guest has changed and if you have CFLAGS=-march=native then some newly compiles SW could

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-19 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Fri, 19 Jul 2013 19:45:36 +0100, Mick wrote: I have a MUCH smaller /home than Dale and on a new box I was thinking of having it on a HDD, along with all things portage related. I typically resync 3 -4 times a week but I am not sure how much erase/write cycles this represents. Also, /home

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-19 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Fri, 19 Jul 2013 11:43:39 -0500, Dale wrote: My /home is over 1Tb, that is Tb too. I'm not buying one big enough for all that. 1Tb is only 125GB, well within the capacity of current SSDs :P Switching to an SSD, particularly on a laptop where you can't add a second drive, really helps you

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-19 Thread Paul Hartman
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 1:45 PM, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday 19 Jul 2013 17:43:39 Dale wrote: luis jure wrote: on 2013-07-19 at 01:56 Dale wrote: Do you really want to put /home on a SSD? well, not actually the whole /home, the SSD is too small for that. i'm not

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-19 Thread Dale
luis jure wrote: on 2013-07-19 at 01:56 Dale wrote: Do you really want to put /home on a SSD? well, not actually the whole /home, the SSD is too small for that. i'm not sure yet, i might keep /home on a HDD and mount the partition on the SSD as a directory under /home for some special uses.

Re: [gentoo-user] syslog-ng segfaults

2013-07-19 Thread Randy Barlow
Alexey Mishustin wrote: So, restarting syslog-ng should be all that's required to fix it - reboot is overkill. As for me, first I updated syslog-ng, then I issued '/etc/init.d/syslog-ng reload' (by mistake, instead of 'restart'), and then 'restart' as I should. Then, just when syslog-ng was

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-19 Thread luis jure
on 2013-07-19 at 12:47 Bruce Hill wrote: The OCZs I've purchased have 3-5 year warranty, also. Most of the mechanical hard drives you purchase today only have one year. I won't buy any SATA mechanical drives except Hitachi. i got 5 years on a 4Tb western digital caviar black i bought a couple

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-19 Thread Bruce Hill
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 07:00:59PM -0300, luis jure wrote: the system has been up just a few minutes, so i haven't had time to do much. but i tried eix-sync and it seemed to me it went much faster. also libreoffice opened in i think less than 2 seconds, instead of several seconds like in my

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-19 Thread luis jure
hi, i just booted my new system. migration using rsync was smooth. i had to fight a little with grub2 and gpt, but now it seems everything is working fine. the system has been up just a few minutes, so i haven't had time to do much. but i tried eix-sync and it seemed to me it went much faster.

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-19 Thread William Kenworthy
On 20/07/13 00:43, Dale wrote: luis jure wrote: on 2013-07-19 at 01:56 Dale wrote: Do you really want to put /home on a SSD? well, not actually the whole /home, the SSD is too small for that. i'm not sure yet, i might keep /home on a HDD and mount the partition on the SSD as a directory

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-19 Thread Dale
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Fri, 19 Jul 2013 11:43:39 -0500, Dale wrote: My /home is over 1Tb, that is Tb too. I'm not buying one big enough for all that. 1Tb is only 125GB, well within the capacity of current SSDs :P Switching to an SSD, particularly on a laptop where you can't add a second

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-19 Thread Bruce Hill
On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 06:29:21AM +0800, William Kenworthy wrote: One odd condition I ran into twice with the ssd + btrfs were filesystems about half full but cant write to because the filesystem was full! After messy crashes it seemed like btrfs would lose some files/sectors/whatever

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-19 Thread luis jure
on 2013-07-19 at 18:03 Dale wrote: Mine is mostly videos and some smaller amount of pics. 1 Tb is 125Gb? 1Tb is 1,000Gb or so. hehe... i guess neil meant that in average for each Tb you have in your disk, only 125Mb is really important or useful. the rest is crap that just piles up...

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-19 Thread luis jure
on 2013-07-19 at 17:11 Bruce Hill wrote: Do some meaningful benchmark... emerge -ajv app-benchmarks/bonnie++ bonnie++ -d /tmp -u root then post us your output. mmm... /tmp is on the root partition that's only about 40 Gb (in my old HDD / was 30Gb, and that was enough, but sometimes i had

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-19 Thread Dale
luis jure wrote: on 2013-07-19 at 12:47 Bruce Hill wrote: The OCZs I've purchased have 3-5 year warranty, also. Most of the mechanical hard drives you purchase today only have one year. I won't buy any SATA mechanical drives except Hitachi. i got 5 years on a 4Tb western digital caviar black

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-19 Thread Dale
luis jure wrote: on 2013-07-19 at 18:03 Dale wrote: Mine is mostly videos and some smaller amount of pics. 1 Tb is 125Gb? 1Tb is 1,000Gb or so. hehe... i guess neil meant that in average for each Tb you have in your disk, only 125Mb is really important or useful. the rest is crap that just

[gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration - caveat

2013-07-19 Thread luis jure
from my recent experience, a caveat if you're using GPT to partition your disk and intend to boot from it: grub won't install on the disk (at least if you have an old plain BIOS system, i understand this doesn't happen with UEFI ??? ). when i tried to run grub2-install i got this error message:

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-19 Thread Dale
luis jure wrote: on 2013-07-19 at 18:39 Dale wrote: I think I could get my OS on a 30Gb SSD with no problem and plenty of breathing room. i had a 30Tb partition for my system in my old HDD, and the breathing space wasn't quite plenty. often i found myself with less than the 6Gb free required

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-19 Thread Paul Hartman
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 6:03 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Neil Bothwick wrote: On Fri, 19 Jul 2013 11:43:39 -0500, Dale wrote: My /home is over 1Tb, that is Tb too. I'm not buying one big enough for all that. 1Tb is only 125GB, well within the capacity of current SSDs :P

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-19 Thread luis jure
on 2013-07-19 at 18:39 Dale wrote: Ahh, that makes sense. Thing is, I can't get rid of family photos or my videos. Nope, just ain't happening. yeah, the same here... my 2Tb HD was almost full, so i bought a new 4Tb disk. and it's a nice feeling having all that space free... I think I

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-19 Thread Dale
Paul Hartman wrote: On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 6:03 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Neil Bothwick wrote: On Fri, 19 Jul 2013 11:43:39 -0500, Dale wrote: My /home is over 1Tb, that is Tb too. I'm not buying one big enough for all that. 1Tb is only 125GB, well within the capacity of current

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-19 Thread Bruce Hill
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 08:58:59PM -0300, luis jure wrote: i had a 30Tb partition for my system in my old HDD, and the breathing space wasn't quite plenty. often i found myself with less than the 6Gb free required by libreoffice to compile, and i had to clean up a bit. other than that yes,

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-19 Thread Paul Hartman
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 12:47 PM, Bruce Hill da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote: I won't buy any SATA mechanical drives except Hitachi. Hitachi's storage division was sold off and split up last year. Their 2.5 HDD and SDD lines now belong to Western Digital (who continue to sell the *Star

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-19 Thread Mick
On Friday 19 Jul 2013 17:43:39 Dale wrote: luis jure wrote: on 2013-07-19 at 01:56 Dale wrote: Do you really want to put /home on a SSD? well, not actually the whole /home, the SSD is too small for that. i'm not sure yet, i might keep /home on a HDD and mount the partition on the SSD

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-19 Thread Dale
Bruce Hill wrote: On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 08:58:59PM -0300, luis jure wrote: i had a 30Tb partition for my system in my old HDD, and the breathing space wasn't quite plenty. often i found myself with less than the 6Gb free required by libreoffice to compile, and i had to clean up a bit. other

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration - caveat

2013-07-19 Thread William Kenworthy
On 20/07/13 07:44, luis jure wrote: from my recent experience, a caveat if you're using GPT to partition your disk and intend to boot from it: grub won't install on the disk (at least if you have an old plain BIOS system, i understand this doesn't happen with UEFI ??? ). when i tried to

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-19 Thread Stroller
On 20 July 2013, at 00:03, Dale wrote: Neil Bothwick wrote: On Fri, 19 Jul 2013 11:43:39 -0500, Dale wrote: My /home is over 1Tb, that is Tb too. I'm not buying one big enough for all that. 1Tb is only 125GB, well within the capacity of current SSDs :P ... Mine is mostly videos and

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-19 Thread Bruce Hill
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 08:34:27PM -0500, Dale wrote: Stop using disk and build in RAM: tmpfs /var/tmp/portagetmpfs size=7000M,nr_inodes=1M 0 0 tmpfs /dev/shmtmpfs nodev,nosuid,noexec 0 0

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-19 Thread Stroller
On 19 July 2013, at 19:58, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Fri, 19 Jul 2013 19:45:36 +0100, Mick wrote: I have a MUCH smaller /home than Dale and on a new box I was thinking of having it on a HDD, along with all things portage related. … /home is written all the time with mail and various

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration - caveat

2013-07-19 Thread luis jure
on 2013-07-20 at 09:51 William Kenworthy wrote: You have to map the drive so grub can find it: no, i don't think that's the problem. the problem is that with GPT disks you need a BIOS Boot Partition since they don't have a MBR. is that correct?

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-19 Thread Dale
Bruce Hill wrote: On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 08:34:27PM -0500, Dale wrote: Stop using disk and build in RAM: tmpfs /var/tmp/portagetmpfs size=7000M,nr_inodes=1M 0 0 tmpfs /dev/shmtmpfs nodev,nosuid,noexec 0 0

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration - caveat

2013-07-19 Thread Thomas Mueller
from luis jure l...@internet.com.uy: on 2013-07-20 at 09:51 William Kenworthy wrote: You have to map the drive so grub can find it: no, i don't think that's the problem. the problem is that with GPT disks you need a BIOS Boot Partition since they don't have a MBR.