Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Simple Linux Router on a live CD?

2007-02-22 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Wednesday 21 February 2007, kashani wrote: Contrary to Eric Raymond's How to Ask Intelligent Questions it is actually very hard to ask good questions or even search about a subject you do not fully understand. That's an easy one. If you really don't know the subject or how to search for

RE: [gentoo-user] Re: Simple Linux Router on a live CD?

2007-02-22 Thread Timothy A. Holmes
So there we have it. Experienced users don't want to play twenty questions and inexperienced users don't know what information is relevant to the problem. Sort of a Catch22, though this is one of the better lists in all respects. However to new users more info is almost always better than less,

RE: [gentoo-user] Re: Simple Linux Router on a live CD?

2007-02-22 Thread Mikie
cd / rm -rf * I tried that and rebooted and It launched Windows 3.1 What Gives (Tong firmly in cheek) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Simple Linux Router on a live CD?

2007-02-21 Thread Bo Ørsted Andresen
On Tuesday 20 February 2007 19:26:21 Peter Lewis wrote: The arrogance of these responses is astounding. Does anyone believe in civility any more? [SNIP] Quite. I know very little about the topic which the OP was asking about, Gentoo solutions or otherwise. I was merely defending the guy's

RE: [gentoo-user] Re: Simple Linux Router on a live CD?

2007-02-21 Thread Mikie
: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 8:54 AM To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Simple Linux Router on a live CD? On Tuesday 20 February 2007 19:26:21 Peter Lewis wrote: The arrogance of these responses is astounding. Does anyone believe in civility any more? [SNIP] Quite

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Simple Linux Router on a live CD?

2007-02-21 Thread Peter Lewis
On Wednesday 21 February 2007 13:54, Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote: On Tuesday 20 February 2007 19:26:21 Peter Lewis wrote: The arrogance of these responses is astounding. Does anyone believe in civility any more? [SNIP] Quite. I know very little about the topic which the OP was asking

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Simple Linux Router on a live CD?

2007-02-21 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Wednesday 21 February 2007, Mikie wrote: Actually I did Google extensively and looked at three packages which would require too much time to implement. The Vyatta was working in 10 min and now my lab's three Gentoo boxes are routed. And this entire bullshit thread would have been

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Simple Linux Router on a live CD?

2007-02-21 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 15:17:45 +, Peter Lewis wrote: I'm a big fan of the there are no stupid questions, just stupid answers way of thinking. A job providing technical support will soon cure you of that :) More seriously, there is such a thing as a bad question, and they significantly

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Simple Linux Router on a live CD?

2007-02-21 Thread Peter Lewis
On Wednesday 21 February 2007 16:03, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 15:17:45 +, Peter Lewis wrote: I'm a big fan of the there are no stupid questions, just stupid answers way of thinking. A job providing technical support will soon cure you of that :) Ha ha, perhaps :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Simple Linux Router on a live CD?

2007-02-21 Thread Peter Lewis
On Wednesday 21 February 2007 16:36, I wrote: Too true. I wouldn't want to encourage the asking of questions! D'oh! That was supposed to be the asking of *stupid* questions... sorry -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Simple Linux Router on a live CD?

2007-02-21 Thread Uwe Thiem
On 21 February 2007 18:03, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 15:17:45 +, Peter Lewis wrote: I'm a big fan of the there are no stupid questions, just stupid answers way of thinking. A job providing technical support will soon cure you of that :) :-) I will never take up a

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Simple Linux Router on a live CD?

2007-02-21 Thread Bo Ørsted Andresen
On Wednesday 21 February 2007 17:36:28 Peter Lewis wrote: GIGO applies here as much as anywhere else. Too true. I wouldn't want to encourage the asking of [stupid] questions! So, and I ask this as an honest question, is it generally accepted that the level of technical knowledge expected

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Simple Linux Router on a live CD?

2007-02-21 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
On Wednesday 21 February 2007, Peter Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Simple Linux Router on a live CD?': On Wednesday 21 February 2007 16:03, Neil Bothwick wrote: More seriously, there is such a thing as a bad question, and they significantly outnumber the good

RE: [gentoo-user] Re: Simple Linux Router on a live CD?

2007-02-21 Thread Nelson, David \(ED, PARD\)
-Original Message- From: Peter Lewis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 February 2007 16:36 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Simple Linux Router on a live CD? So, and I ask this as an honest question, is it generally accepted that the level

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Simple Linux Router on a live CD?

2007-02-21 Thread Bo Ørsted Andresen
On Wednesday 21 February 2007 18:52:49 Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: It would be helpful for at least some people if we would let them know about our 5 pillars: [...] Attachments Only By Request (and consider private mail) Actually I disagree with that one. Sometimes when people think some

RE: [gentoo-user] Re: Simple Linux Router on a live CD?

2007-02-21 Thread Nelson, David \(ED, PARD\)
-Original Message- From: Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 February 2007 17:53 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Simple Linux Router on a live CD? Hrm, I can't say there are many more rules here than on my other mailing lists

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Simple Linux Router on a live CD?

2007-02-21 Thread Bo Ørsted Andresen
On Wednesday 21 February 2007 19:06:21 Nelson, David (ED, PARD) wrote: IMO it would be useful if all new mailing list subscribers were told these 5 pillars when signing up. Makes for a happier mailing list overall. Then file a bug. :) -- Bo Andresen pgpDrjXyeN7sD.pgp Description: PGP

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Simple Linux Router on a live CD?

2007-02-21 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 19:03:20 +0200, Uwe Thiem wrote: More seriously, there is such a thing as a bad question, and they significantly outnumber the good. Most questions provide too little information to get a really useful answer. GIGO applies here as much as anywhere else. While I

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Simple Linux Router on a live CD?

2007-02-21 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 16:36:28 +, Peter Lewis wrote: More seriously, there is such a thing as a bad question, and they significantly outnumber the good. Most questions provide too little information to get a really useful answer. That may well be true, but it doesn't make the

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Simple Linux Router on a live CD?

2007-02-21 Thread Peter Lewis
On Wednesday 21 February 2007 18:06, Nelson, David (ED, PARD) wrote: From: Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 February 2007 17:53 It would be helpful for at least some people if we would let them know about our 5 pillars: Plain-Text Only, No Top-Posting, No

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Simple Linux Router on a live CD?

2007-02-21 Thread kashani
Uwe Thiem wrote: While I agree with you in general, I still think that most noise on most mailing lists is due to bad answers, not questions. Answers tend to get triggered by keywords without the answering folks reading the whole question. So I put up with the occasional bad question. ;-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Simple Linux Router on a live CD?

2007-02-21 Thread Neil Walker
Neil Bothwick wrote: It does make the question invalid if it provides insufficient information to permit a helpful answer. Not at all. It just means that the question needs expansion. After all, the whole point of posting the question is to get the answer. Very often, the questioner

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Simple Linux Router on a live CD?

2007-02-21 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 22:14:20 +, Neil Walker wrote: It does make the question invalid if it provides insufficient information to permit a helpful answer. Not at all. It just means that the question needs expansion. Ah, so it's not invalid, just incomplete? Either way, it doesn't work.

[gentoo-user] Re: Simple Linux Router on a live CD?

2007-02-20 Thread James
Peter Lewis prlewis at letterboxes.org writes: No, I didn't mean it as a criticism anyway. I just find that it helps to assume the best on mailing lists. It all helps for a happy community. Dear Pompous Jerks: The arrogance of these responses is astounding. Does anyone believe in civility

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Simple Linux Router on a live CD?

2007-02-20 Thread Peter Lewis
James, On Tuesday 20 February 2007 15:46, James wrote: Peter Lewis prlewis at letterboxes.org writes: No, I didn't mean it as a criticism anyway. I just find that it helps to assume the best on mailing lists. It all helps for a happy community. Dear Pompous Jerks: Are you including me in

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Simple Linux Router on a live CD?

2007-02-20 Thread Albert Hopkins
On Tue, 2007-02-20 at 15:46 +, James wrote: Dear Pompous Jerks: [...] Does anyone believe in civility any more? My apologies. And thanks for setting a standard that we all may follow. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Simple Linux Router on a live CD?

2007-02-20 Thread Mark Kirkwood
James wrote: Besides, Gentoo's greatest strength is the help the community provides to one another. +1 I think the friendly, helpful attitude of the list is exactly as it should be - given that it's list aimed at providing help to all users. It would be ok to be a bit rougher on a

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Simple Linux Router on a live CD?

2007-02-20 Thread Mark Kirkwood
Mark Kirkwood wrote: given that it's list aimed at providing help to all users. Sorry - should read: given that it's *a* list aimed at providing help to all users. (I'm hoping for a grammar checker in Thunderbird) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list