Re: [gentoo-user] Fragmentation of my drives. Curious mostly

2008-12-16 Thread Daniel Troeder
Am Freitag, den 28.11.2008, 13:46 +0200 schrieb Alan McKinnon: Any Linux defrag tool you encounter will have been written by a third party separate from the developers. It will move blocks around and update superblocks, the drive will have to be unmounted for that to work and a slight

Re: [gentoo-user] Fragmentation of my drives. Curious mostly

2008-12-03 Thread Paul Hartman
On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 10:09 AM, Joshua Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 6:46 AM, Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 28 November 2008 13:14:42 Dale wrote: If this is a little high, what would be the best way to defrag it? By not defragging it. It's not

Re: [gentoo-user] Fragmentation of my drives. Curious mostly

2008-12-02 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Friday 28 November 2008 21:31:51 Stroller wrote: NTFS *is* really bad in that regard. I've seen it HORRIBLY fragmented, and defragging it make a REMARKABLE difference. I remember also that when M$ introduced NTFS they made a big thing of not needing to defrag it. Only later, when others

Re: [gentoo-user] Fragmentation of my drives. Curious mostly

2008-12-02 Thread Dale
Stroller wrote: No, NTFS *is* really bad in that regard. I've seen it HORRIBLY fragmented, and defragging it make a REMARKABLE difference. At least the nice thing is that Defrag not only fixes you the problem, but also shows it before you run it. Stroller. I agree. I defrag my

Re: [gentoo-user] Fragmentation of my drives. Curious mostly

2008-11-29 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Friday 28 November 2008 18:09:37 Joshua Murphy wrote: On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 6:46 AM, Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 28 November 2008 13:14:42 Dale wrote: If this is a little high, what would be the best way to defrag it? By not defragging it. It's not Windows.

Re: [gentoo-user] Fragmentation of my drives. Curious mostly

2008-11-29 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Friday 28 November 2008 17:08:03 Stroller wrote: I understood that ReiserFS's trees could become out-of-balance,   resulting in performance loss, and that the way to deal with this was   to tar the contents of the drive to another file-system and then untar   them back. That's what I tell

Re: [gentoo-user] Fragmentation of my drives. Curious mostly

2008-11-29 Thread Dale
Alan McKinnon wrote: I've been waiting for a proper statistical analysis of this question for years. I'm still waiting :-) Besides, modern storage presents an extra wrinkle. Defrag as most of the world knows it originated in DOS, where disk sectors were guaranteed to be laid out on disk in

Re: [gentoo-user] Fragmentation of my drives. Curious mostly

2008-11-29 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Fri, 28 Nov 2008 11:24:08 -0600, Dale wrote: Given my experience with XFS, I won't be switching anytime soon. I used that once on a in-laws system. After each crash, power failure, I had to reinstall. Let's just say it left a bad taste in my mouth. ;-) I'm not saying it is a bad file

Re: [gentoo-user] Fragmentation of my drives. Curious mostly

2008-11-28 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Friday 28 November 2008 13:14:42 Dale wrote: If this is a little high, what would be the best way to defrag it? By not defragging it. It's not Windows. Windows boxes needs defragging not because fragmentation is a huge problem in itself, but because windows filesystems are a steaming mess

Re: [gentoo-user] Fragmentation of my drives. Curious mostly

2008-11-28 Thread Florian Philipp
Alan McKinnon schrieb: [...] Reiser tends to self-balance itself out. What is especially noteworthy is that none of the general purpose Linux filesystems provide a defrag utility. Theodore 'Tso and Hans Reiser are both exceptional programmers, if there was a need for such a tool they would

[gentoo-user] Fragmentation of my drives. Curious mostly

2008-11-28 Thread Dale
Hi folks, I have a pretty old install tho I have moved it from one drive to another once, using cp -av. It got to big for the old hard drive. Anyway, the install is about 5 years old or so and about 3 years since it got moved. I have Gentoo on it naturally, a ship load of pictures and a few

Re: [gentoo-user] Fragmentation of my drives. Curious mostly

2008-11-28 Thread Stroller
On 28 Nov 2008, at 11:46, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Friday 28 November 2008 13:14:42 Dale wrote: If this is a little high, what would be the best way to defrag it? By not defragging it. It's not Windows. Windows boxes needs defragging not because fragmentation is a huge problem in itself,

Re: [gentoo-user] Fragmentation of my drives. Curious mostly

2008-11-28 Thread Dale
Florian Philipp wrote: Alan McKinnon schrieb: [...] Reiser tends to self-balance itself out. What is especially noteworthy is that none of the general purpose Linux filesystems provide a defrag utility. Theodore 'Tso and Hans Reiser are both exceptional programmers, if there was a need for

Re: [gentoo-user] Fragmentation of my drives. Curious mostly

2008-11-28 Thread Joshua Murphy
On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 6:46 AM, Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 28 November 2008 13:14:42 Dale wrote: If this is a little high, what would be the best way to defrag it? By not defragging it. It's not Windows. Windows boxes needs defragging not because fragmentation is a

Re: [gentoo-user] Fragmentation of my drives. Curious mostly

2008-11-28 Thread Florian Philipp
Dale schrieb: I have said myself that Linux does not generally need to be defraged. I have never seen a Linux file system get anything near as bad as windoze. While I don't run windoze I do have family and friends that do so I know how bad it can be. I have seen a lot of windoze be at 40 and

Re: [gentoo-user] Fragmentation of my drives. Curious mostly

2008-11-28 Thread Dale
Florian Philipp wrote: Dale schrieb: I have said myself that Linux does not generally need to be defraged. I have never seen a Linux file system get anything near as bad as windoze. While I don't run windoze I do have family and friends that do so I know how bad it can be. I have seen a

Re: [gentoo-user] Fragmentation of my drives. Curious mostly

2008-11-28 Thread Dale
Joshua Murphy wrote: On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 6:46 AM, Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 28 November 2008 13:14:42 Dale wrote: If this is a little high, what would be the best way to defrag it? By not defragging it. It's not Windows. Windows boxes needs

Re: [gentoo-user] Fragmentation of my drives. Curious mostly

2008-11-28 Thread Joshua Murphy
On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 12:24 PM, Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joshua Murphy wrote: While not trying to incite flames here... xfs isn't general purpose? xfs_fsr defrags xfs partitions while they're mounted and is designed to be used from cron (it's in xfsdump, not xfsprogs). File

Re: [gentoo-user] Fragmentation of my drives. Curious mostly

2008-11-28 Thread Dale
Joshua Murphy wrote: On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 12:24 PM, Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Given my experience with XFS, I won't be switching anytime soon. I used that once on a in-laws system. After each crash, power failure, I had to reinstall. Let's just say it left a bad taste in my

Re: [gentoo-user] Fragmentation of my drives. Curious mostly

2008-11-28 Thread Alan Mackenzie
Hi, Dale! On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 05:14:42AM -0600, Dale wrote: Hi folks, I have a pretty old install tho I have moved it from one drive to another once, using cp -av. It got to big for the old hard drive. Anyway, the install is about 5 years old or so and about 3 years since it got

Re: [gentoo-user] Fragmentation of my drives. Curious mostly

2008-11-28 Thread Stroller
On 28 Nov 2008, at 16:31, Florian Philipp wrote: ... I'm wondering, why is Windows that bad in this regard? Of course, FAT* is bad, but what's about NTFS? It is at least as modern as most Linux FS and has some nice features. Surely MS should be capable of implementing the same allocation

Re: [gentoo-user] Fragmentation of my drives. Curious mostly

2008-11-28 Thread Dale
Alan Mackenzie wrote: Hi, Dale! On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 05:14:42AM -0600, Dale wrote: Hi folks, I have a pretty old install tho I have moved it from one drive to another once, using cp -av. It got to big for the old hard drive. Anyway, the install is about 5 years old or so