On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 23:33:25 +0100, Holly Bostick wrote:
Hogwash. What's so hard about it, as opposed to any other Linux distro,
once you get past the install issue?
Try plugging in a wireless NIC. It's not hard to set on up manually when
you know what you are doing, but other distros will
Gentoo has to be harder to use than other distros, you can't have full
control over the system and still have it do things automatically for
you.
I could not of said it any better.
And of the distros I have used Gentoo is the best, although not my
first. And I would not recommend it to
On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 01:40:02 +0100, Holly Bostick wrote:
Myself, I don't consider that either a stage 1 or stage 3 leaves me with
more than a minimally functional system after the initial install, but a
stage 3 leaves me with a *higher functioning* minimal install than a
stage 1 does.
A
On 11/22/05, Robin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Gentoo has to be harder to use than other distros, you can't have full
control over the system and still have it do things automatically for
you.
Exactly, the computer can do amazing things, but in order to keep it
clean, specific and
Neil Bothwick wrote:
Try plugging in a wireless NIC. It's not hard to set on up manually when
you know what you are doing, but other distros will take care of this
automatically.
Perhaps if you're using WEP it's easier on a binary distro, but if
you're using WPA-PSK it's a lot easier on
The last top posting/html thread was 3 weeks ago... so yes it's time
for another Keep Gentoo leet thread. Gentoo isn't about pain, it's
about getting work done. Anything, and I mean *anything*, that allows me
to spend less time working and more time having a life is a good thing.
Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:
Therefore we can deduce that anyone who wants a harder install is a
hobbyist, dilettante, and a dabbler.
no, I want an installation, that filters out everybody too dumb to read the
fucking manual.
Or the FAQ? Where it's described how to do a stage1/2 equivalent
Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:
no, I want an installation, that filters out everybody too dumb to read the
fucking manual.
I understand where you are coming from, however, without people willing
to push the envelope and try new things, nothing will innovated will
happen. While being an expert
On 11/22/05, Nagatoro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:
Therefore we can deduce that anyone who wants a harder install is a
hobbyist, dilettante, and a dabbler.
no, I want an installation, that filters out everybody too dumb to read the
fucking manual.
Or the FAQ?
Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:
no, I want an installation, that filters out everybody too dumb to read the
fucking manual.
Where do you draw the line? Someday we're going to have real reverse
dependecy checking, fixing, etc. So any idiot can blindly update x
package and not have to realize
Actually, as someone who uses wireless across a number of nets, wireless
on gentoo sucks hugely.
Was at a presentation the other day and saw an Ubutu user just walk in,
a couple of quick commands and he had connected - after much work I
still cant do that to a particular no-encryption net. I
On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 09:24:49 -0800, Manuel McLure wrote:
Try plugging in a wireless NIC. It's not hard to set on up manually
when you know what you are doing, but other distros will take care of
this automatically.
Perhaps if you're using WEP it's easier on a binary distro, but if
William Kenworthy wrote:
Actually, as someone who uses wireless across a number of nets, wireless
on gentoo sucks hugely.
Was at a presentation the other day and saw an Ubutu user just walk in,
a couple of quick commands and he had connected - after much work I
still cant do that to a
WTF.. I'm getting ready to rebuild my gentoo box. I have always did a stage 1 install. i was under the impression that if u used a stage 3 u couldn't muck with your CFLAGS or what not. If I'm forced to use canned binaries I might as well go with FC or Debian.. I've never listened to the Gentoo is
On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 21:33:01 +0900, Steve B wrote:
WTF.. I'm getting ready to rebuild my gentoo box. I have always did a
stage 1 install. i was under the impression that if u used a stage 3 u
couldn't muck with your CFLAGS or what not. If I'm forced to use canned
binaries I might as well go
On Mon, 2005-11-21 at 21:33 +0900, Steve B wrote:
WTF.. I'm getting ready to rebuild my gentoo box. I have always did a
stage 1 install. i was under the impression that if u used a stage 3
u couldn't muck with your CFLAGS or what not. If I'm forced to use
canned binaries I might as well go
On Mon, 2005-11-21 at 13:57 +0100, Matthias Langer wrote:
On Mon, 2005-11-21 at 21:33 +0900, Steve B wrote:
WTF.. I'm getting ready to rebuild my gentoo box. I have always did a
stage 1 install. i was under the impression that if u used a stage 3
u couldn't muck with your CFLAGS or what
On Monday 21 November 2005 13:33, Steve B wrote:
WTF.. I'm getting ready to rebuild my gentoo box. I have always did a stage
1 install. i was under the impression that if u used a stage 3 u couldn't
muck with your CFLAGS or what not. If I'm forced to use canned binaries I
might as well go with
Hemmann, Volker Armin schreef:
On Monday 21 November 2005 13:33, Steve B wrote:
WTF.. I'm getting ready to rebuild my gentoo box. I have always did
a stage 1 install. i was under the impression that if u used a
stage 3 u couldn't muck with your CFLAGS or what not. If I'm forced
to use
Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:
well, it was made, because the idiots are too dumb to read and follow the
stage1 instructions.
And gentoo needs more idiots, right?
Up until now, the installation was a nice filter - but that has weakend now,
too.
The last top posting/html thread was 3 weeks
On Mon, Nov 21, 2005 at 01:20:12PM -0600, kashani wrote:
The last top posting/html thread was 3 weeks ago... so yes it's time
for another Keep Gentoo leet thread. Gentoo isn't about pain, it's
about getting work done. Anything, and I mean *anything*, that allows me
to spend less
Nothing changed for those who already installed Gentoo ever, as stated
before, it will be even faster/easier to install for a experienced
user, and has advantages like not keeping circular references, etc.
Another point of view: easier to install means that the newbie
filter that install was
Such a scenario could be your your arms and legs falling off...
On Mon, Nov 21, 2005 at 01:20:12PM -0600, kashani wrote:
The last top posting/html thread was 3 weeks ago... so yes it's time
for another Keep Gentoo leet thread. Gentoo isn't about pain, it's
about getting work done.
Jason Dodson wrote:
Such a scenario could be your your arms and legs falling off...
I suspect I'd spend more time typing if I had to use only my nose
rather than fingers so this fails the get more work done test. Perhaps
your nose is more dexterous than mine?
Jokes aside my definition of
Maybe it's just me, but I have never seen the Stage 1 as any harder
than Stage 3. The only difference was... umm... setting your CFLAGS and
USE flags. Seriously, how hard is it to type bootstrap, or emerge -e
system?
I am not saying the move is bad, I totally understand it. I hope that
the new
Steven Susbauer wrote:
I hope that
the new docs do have a How to recompile everything at the end
somewhere though, for those of us that like the optimization.
The new handbook links to http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/faq.xml#stage12 -
how to get the equivalent of a Stage 1 install while still
Daniel da Veiga schreef:
Gentoo is not easy, its not simple and its not designed or the best
distro to start in the Linux world.
Hogwash. What's so hard about it, as opposed to any other Linux distro,
once you get past the install issue?
Is learning Portage somehow intrinsically harder than
Hogwash. What's so hard about it, as opposed to any other Linux distro,
once you get past the install issue?
Several points here:
1) The install issue is the crux isn't it? A Linux newbie would falter
at this first hurdle. I have recently installed two Gentoo stage 3
installations, and the
On Mon, Nov 21, 2005 at 04:17:45PM +0100, Holly Bostick wrote:
reinstall, again I must wonder why he would complain that such a
reinstall is now likely to be much easier, and lead to a functioning
system (from which he can emerge -e world to his heart's content) much
faster.
But maybe I
George Garvey wrote:
On Mon, Nov 21, 2005 at 04:17:45PM +0100, Holly Bostick wrote:
reinstall, again I must wonder why he would complain that such a
reinstall is now likely to be much easier, and lead to a functioning
system (from which he can emerge -e world to his heart's content) much
George Garvey schreef:
On Mon, Nov 21, 2005 at 04:17:45PM +0100, Holly Bostick wrote:
reinstall, again I must wonder why he would complain that such a
reinstall is now likely to be much easier, and lead to a
functioning system (from which he can emerge -e world to his
heart's content)
Some thoughts:
I recently did a stage 1 install and found that the process seems to
have deteriorated to the point it was more work than it should have been
- hence I see some of the reasons for abandoning it. In particular, the
recompiling needed to bring it to a GCC 3.4.4 with all the options
051121 Holly Bostick wrote:
Daniel da Veiga schreef:
Gentoo is not easy, its not simple
and its not designed or the best distro to start in the Linux world.
What's so hard about it, as opposed to any other Linux distro,
once you get past the install issue?
In a word, 'maintenance'. No,
On Wed, 16 Nov 2005, Mark Knecht wrote:
I will admit that I have a big concern about an upcoming MySQL update
that is probably going to break my whole TV network here. Due to my
fear I haven't upgraded MySQL and will likely come back ranting myself
sometime in December when I'm probably
On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 19:03:18 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote:
Then I was able to tweak my USE flags and CFLAGS and
rebuild the system to the same as I'd have got from Stage 1
Neil,
Would you mind sharing what changes you made to your CFLAGS to get
the equivalent of a Stage 1 install?
When
On 11/16/05, Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 15:50:00 -0500, Derek Tracy wrote:
The biggest reason for the reinstall was because in my contant playing
around with DE's and WM's trying to find one that I completely liked. I
had KDE, GNOME, E17, FVWM, OpenBOX (I
Derek Tracy wrote:
[...]
(I did not change any other config files) and low and behold after a
quick reboot everything was working again.
The magic of computers :)
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At Thu, 17 Nov 2005 09:23:46 + Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 19:03:18 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote:
Would you mind sharing what changes you made to your CFLAGS to get
the equivalent of a Stage 1 install?
When installing a stage 3 you are using packages
On 11:20 Wed 16 Nov , Derek Tracy wrote:
After restarting I noticed that ipw2200 did not load properly was posted
in my boot mesg WTF. I distinctly remembered during the install that I
waited until after I installed the kernel, then I went ahead and installed
the external
On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 08:52:47 -0500, Allan Gottlieb wrote:
What about -march ? At one point that was something that you weren't
supposed to change unless using stage1. If one changes -march after
stage3, are we supposed to first run bootstrap.sh before emerge -e ?
There's no problem with
On 11/17/05, Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 19:03:18 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote:
Then I was able to tweak my USE flags and CFLAGS and
rebuild the system to the same as I'd have got from Stage 1
Neil,
Would you mind sharing what changes you made to your
At Thu, 17 Nov 2005 14:35:27 + Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 08:52:47 -0500, Allan Gottlieb wrote:
What about -march ? At one point that was something that you weren't
supposed to change unless using stage1. If one changes -march after
stage3, are we
On 11/16/05, Derek Tracy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
SNIP
(DISCLAIMER: Let me start off by saying that this is truly not a flame but
more of a concern. So please do not flame me for stating my
opinions/concerns.)
SNIP
Understood. I certainly didn't take it that way.
I have been an avid Gentoo
On 11/16/05, Derek Tracy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This is a lot longer than I originally intended it to be so if you want the
jist of it skip to the end.
(DISCLAIMER: Let me start off by saying that this is truly not a flame but
more of a concern. So please do not flame me for stating my
SNIP
I use Gentoo to run all my boxen and I love it. That being said, I have
ALWAYS done a stage1 install. Never had a single problem I couldn't fix.
Then, suddenly, they switched everything to stage3 and removed a LOT of
options from the Gentoo build process. I LIKED being able to modify
On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 11:20:36 -0500
Derek Tracy wrote:
Part way through the online handbook I noticed that
they standardized the Stage3 install. I figured that since the developers
thought it was best to use a Stage3 install then why not give it a shot.
I read your message and was surprised
-Original Message-
From: Nick Rout
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 3:12 PM
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo still on the right path?
On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 11:20:36 -0500
Derek Tracy wrote:
Part way through the online handbook I
Nick Rout wrote:
I read your message and was surprised at this. Last time I read the
handbooks the Handbook gave stage 1/2/3 options and the 2005.1
handbook stuck to stage 3. (Talking x86 here, I have never done an
instal on other architectures).
Now, like you, I read this in the Handbook:
On Wednesday 16 November 2005 21:12, Nick Rout wrote:
On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 11:20:36 -0500
Derek Tracy wrote:
Part way through the online handbook I noticed that
they standardized the Stage3 install. I figured that since the developers
thought it was best to use a Stage3 install then why
On 11/16/05, Benjamin Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wednesday 16 November 2005 21:12, Nick Rout wrote:
On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 11:20:36 -0500
Derek Tracy wrote:
Part way through the online handbook I noticed that
they standardized the Stage3 install. I figured that since the
On 11/16/05, Daniel da Veiga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 11/16/05, Derek Tracy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a lot longer than I originally intended it to be so if you want the jist of it skip to the end.
(DISCLAIMER: Let me start off by saying that this is truly not a flame but more of a
Nick Rout wrote:
On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 11:20:36 -0500
Derek Tracy wrote:
Part way through the online handbook I noticed that
they standardized the Stage3 install. I figured that since the developers
thought it was best to use a Stage3 install then why not give it a shot.
I read your message
On Wednesday 16 November 2005 21:47, Mark Knecht wrote:
I'm not a developer and I've never done a Stage 1 install so I cannot
say for sure, but it's my understanding that after a Stage 3 install
most people end up rebuilding everything anyway within a few weeks.
Very soon my Stage 3 and your
I couldn't have said it better myself.On 11/16/05, Benjamin Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wednesday 16 November 2005 21:47, Mark Knecht wrote: I'm not a developer and I've never done a Stage 1 install so I cannot say for sure, but it's my understanding that after a Stage 3 install most people
On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 14:30:28 -0600
kashani wrote:
Nick Rout wrote:
I read your message and was surprised at this. Last time I read the
handbooks the Handbook gave stage 1/2/3 options and the 2005.1
handbook stuck to stage 3. (Talking x86 here, I have never done an
instal on other
On 11/16/05, Benjamin Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wednesday 16 November 2005 21:47, Mark Knecht wrote:
I'm not a developer and I've never done a Stage 1 install so I cannot
say for sure, but it's my understanding that after a Stage 3 install
most people end up rebuilding everything
I also want to reiterate that if they are going to make a Stage3 install the default then make it a rock solid release. And in my opinion portage needs to be pruned not only of un-maintained packages but also of packages that conflict with others.
Like I said before a Stable tree should be just
Mark Knecht wrote:
Good points. I agree it doesn't seem like the Gentoo way to remove
options, however, in response to Derek's original point about rising
or fallign numbers of Gentoo new users it might be wise to make the
default install Stage 3, thus making the newest users most likely more
On Wednesday 16 November 2005 02:50 pm, Derek Tracy wrote:
That is what I was thinking when I switched to stable. From what I am
seeing either my computer doesn't like stable code or stable does not mean
stable anymore.
But thats not what you said. I Quote:
In the past I have always
On Wednesday 16 November 2005 02:55 pm, Benjamin Martin wrote:
True that the installations become identical very soon. But what if I set
up server using stage 1 and an up-to-date portage tree. After the
installation is finished it'll sit around doing whatever it's supposed to
do and I don't
On 11/16/05, Derek Tracy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
When a branch is marked stable all of the packages in that branch should
work,
I'm not sure this is always possible. Much of your complaint comes
from the ipw2200 driver, which is new in 2.6.14. But the in-kernel
version is several versions
On 11/16/05, Derek Tracy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I also want to reiterate that if they are going to make a Stage3 install the
default then make it a rock solid release. And in my opinion portage needs
to be pruned not only of un-maintained packages but also of packages that
conflict with
On 11/16/05, Jeff Smelser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wednesday 16 November 2005 02:50 pm, Derek Tracy wrote: That is what I was thinking when I switched to stable. From what I am seeing either my computer doesn't like stable code or stable does not mean
stable anymore.But thats not what you
On 11/16/05, Richard Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 11/16/05, Derek Tracy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When a branch is marked stable all of the packages in that branch should work,I'm not sure this is always possible.Much of your complaint comes
from the ipw2200 driver, which is new in 2.6.14.But
On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 07:44:49 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
SNIP
I use Gentoo to run all my boxen and I love it. That being said, I
have ALWAYS done a stage1 install. Never had a single problem I
couldn't fix. Then, suddenly, they switched everything to stage3 and
removed a LOT of
Derek Tracy wrote:
I also want to reiterate that if they are going to make a Stage3 install
the default then make it a rock solid release. And in my opinion
portage needs to be pruned not only of un-maintained packages but also
of packages that conflict with others.
Like I said before a
On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 07:44:49 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| I use Gentoo to run all my boxen and I love it. That being said, I
| have ALWAYS done a stage1 install. Never had a single problem I
| couldn't fix. Then, suddenly, they switched everything to stage3 and
| removed a LOT of options
On 11/16/05, Derek Tracy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What I am complaining about is that neither of the drivers will work.
What doesn't work? Does the module build? Does it load? What errors
do you get? Does it work if you run the same kernel version and
driver you used before?
If the
On 11/16/05, Derek Tracy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I would have to disagree with you on this. I do not believe that it is a
config issue I beleive that many of the x86 packages still do not play well
with each other, that is what I am saying needs fixed.
Again, be specific please. Give us
On 11/16/05, Ciaran McCreesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[ Note: looks like I'm missing half this thread because certain
jackasses are posting HTML messages to the list. You'd think people
would've learned by now... ]
We've tried educating about the evils of HTML (and top-posting). It
always
On 11/16/05, Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Then I was able to tweak my USE flags and CFLAGS and
rebuild the system to the same as I'd have got from Stage 1
Neil,
Would you mind sharing what changes you made to your CFLAGS to get
the equivalent of a Stage 1 install?
Thanks,
Mark
--
On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 15:50:00 -0500, Derek Tracy wrote:
The biggest reason for the reinstall was because in my contant playing
around with DE's and WM's trying to find one that I completely liked. I
had KDE, GNOME, E17, FVWM, OpenBOX (I think that is it) all on my
system. In all of my toying
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