Re: [gentoo-user] can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse

2011-12-12 Thread Indi
On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 03:40:02PM +0100, Pandu Poluan wrote: On Dec 10, 2011 8:50 PM, LinuxIsOne [1]linuxis...@gmail.com wrote: - 8 snip I have come to conclusion that almost all Linux work almost in the same way since they have the same kernel, however, this is what I

Re: [gentoo-user] can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse

2011-12-12 Thread James Broadhead
On 12 December 2011 23:52, Indi thebeelzebubtrig...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 03:40:02PM +0100, Pandu Poluan wrote:    On Dec 10, 2011 8:50 PM, LinuxIsOne [1]linuxis...@gmail.com wrote:    ((No wonder NASDAQ uses Gentoo for its infrastructure)) Indeed What a bunch of ricers

Re: [gentoo-user] can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse

2011-12-12 Thread Indi
On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 01:10:02AM +0100, James Broadhead wrote: On 12 December 2011 23:52, Indi thebeelzebubtrig...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 03:40:02PM +0100, Pandu Poluan wrote:    On Dec 10, 2011 8:50 PM, LinuxIsOne [1]linuxis...@gmail.com wrote:    ((No wonder NASDAQ

Re: [gentoo-user] can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse

2011-12-12 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Dec 13, 2011 7:09 AM, James Broadhead jamesbroadh...@gmail.com wrote: On 12 December 2011 23:52, Indi thebeelzebubtrig...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 03:40:02PM +0100, Pandu Poluan wrote: On Dec 10, 2011 8:50 PM, LinuxIsOne [1]linuxis...@gmail.com wrote: ((No wonder

Re: [gentoo-user] can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse

2011-12-10 Thread Sebastian Beßler
On 08.12.2011 17:11, LinuxIsOne wrote: Ah, thanks for the nice suggestions, I would keep a note of it. I would install in one old machine, You could use virtualbox to create a virtual PC and install Gentoo there. That would eliminate the required space for a second monitor, keyboard and

Re: [gentoo-user] can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse

2011-12-10 Thread LinuxIsOne
On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 5:11 PM, Frank Steinmetzger war...@gmx.de wrote: I did this in the past. But recently I’m reassessing this, with Ubuntu changing the default look and the way it works with every other release (remember the hassle about window buttons to the left by default?). I can’t

Re: [gentoo-user] can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse

2011-12-10 Thread LinuxIsOne
On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 8:31 AM, Sebastian Beßler sebast...@darkmetatron.de wrote: Virtualbox is mostly self-explaining so that should not be so much of a problem. VB works from within another OS or needs memory of HDD?

Re: [gentoo-user] can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse

2011-12-10 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Dec 10, 2011 8:50 PM, LinuxIsOne linuxis...@gmail.com wrote: - 8 snip I have come to conclusion that almost all Linux work almost in the same way since they have the same kernel, however, this is what I think. I don't mean to scare you, but most Linux distros work differently. First,

Re: [gentoo-user] can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse

2011-12-10 Thread LinuxIsOne
On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 9:32 AM, Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote: I don't mean to scare you, but most Linux distros work differently. First, there might be differences in how they install a package. There's RPM, apt, pacman, portage, and others. Second, there are differences in the

Re: [gentoo-user] can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse

2011-12-10 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Sat, 10 Dec 2011 08:46:16 -0500 LinuxIsOne linuxis...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 5:11 PM, Frank Steinmetzger war...@gmx.de wrote: I did this in the past. But recently I’m reassessing this, with Ubuntu changing the default look and the way it works with every other

Re: [gentoo-user] can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse

2011-12-10 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Sat, 10 Dec 2011 08:47:47 -0500 LinuxIsOne linuxis...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 8:31 AM, Sebastian Beßler sebast...@darkmetatron.de wrote: Virtualbox is mostly self-explaining so that should not be so much of a problem. VB works from within another OS or needs memory

Re: [gentoo-user] can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse

2011-12-10 Thread LinuxIsOne
On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 11:51 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: A very small selection of all possible Unixes work the same. Ubuntu and Debian are quite similar as they have common roots. RedHat works rather like an old Fedora (and to some degree that's almost exactly what it

Re: [gentoo-user] can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse

2011-12-10 Thread LinuxIsOne
On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 11:53 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: VirtualBox is a program that runs on a working system with a functioning OS. Like all programs it needs resources like memory and hard disk space. Unlike most programs it usually uses a LOT of memory and hard disk

Re: [gentoo-user] can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse

2011-12-09 Thread Claudio Roberto França Pereira
Wait a minute, an actual doctor installed and maintain Gentoo boxes?

Re: [gentoo-user] can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse

2011-12-09 Thread Frank Steinmetzger
On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 01:02:14AM -0200, Claudio Roberto França Pereira wrote: Wait a minute, an actual doctor installed and maintain Gentoo boxes? ?? -- Gruß | Greetings | Qapla' I forbid any use of my email addresses with Facebook services. A hammer is a wonderful tool, but it is plain

Re: [gentoo-user] can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse

2011-12-09 Thread Claudio Roberto França Pereira
By Lorenzo Badieri: [...] My high school was centered around humanities/classical studies: ancient greek, latin, philosophy; after high school, I managed to get into MED SCHOOL. So, no computer science/informatics at all. However, I was really curios about computers, and I messed up my family's

Re: [gentoo-user] can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse

2011-12-08 Thread James Broadhead
On 8 December 2011 06:57, LinuxIsOne linuxis...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 5:20 AM, Stroller strol...@stellar.eclipse.co.uk wrote: I tried Ubuntu, hated this *so* much. I'm sure all the respondents were just trying to be helpful, but they made Ubuntu look like the distro of

Re: [gentoo-user] can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse

2011-12-08 Thread LinuxIsOne
On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 5:58 AM, James Broadhead jamesbroadh...@gmail.com wrote: The next time you have a problem with anything related to linux, follow a link to an Ubuntu user forum. Unfortunately, the quality of advice on them tends to be pretty low. :-( Really?

Re: [gentoo-user] can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse

2011-12-08 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Thu, 8 Dec 2011 08:55:48 -0500 LinuxIsOne linuxis...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 5:58 AM, James Broadhead jamesbroadh...@gmail.com wrote: The next time you have a problem with anything related to linux, follow a link to an Ubuntu user forum. Unfortunately, the quality of

Re: [gentoo-user] can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse

2011-12-08 Thread LinuxIsOne
On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 9:29 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: Don't take our word for it, go look for yourself. I could give you examples of how that forum works, I could give you links that show what we are saying, but NOTHING can prepare you for what you really find on the

Re: [gentoo-user] can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse

2011-12-08 Thread James Broadhead
On 8 December 2011 15:10, LinuxIsOne linuxis...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 9:29 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: Don't take our word for it, go look for yourself. I could give you examples of how that forum works, I could give you links that show what we are

Re: [gentoo-user] can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse

2011-12-08 Thread LinuxIsOne
On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 10:18 AM, James Broadhead jamesbroadh...@gmail.com wrote: That's debatable; it generally means that the amount of time that passes before they realise that Linux is not Windows is increased. It definitely gets them booted into a desktop environment quicker, but it

Re: [gentoo-user] can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse

2011-12-08 Thread LinuxIsOne
On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 10:35 AM, LinuxIsOne linuxis...@gmail.com wrote: That's debatable; it generally means that the amount of time that passes before they realise that Linux is not Windows is increased. It definitely gets them booted into a desktop environment quicker, but it doesn't really

Re: [gentoo-user] can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse

2011-12-08 Thread Michael Mol
On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 10:18 AM, James Broadhead jamesbroadh...@gmail.com wrote: On 8 December 2011 15:10, LinuxIsOne linuxis...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 9:29 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: Don't take our word for it, go look for yourself. I could give you

Re: [gentoo-user] can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse

2011-12-08 Thread Michael Mol
On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 10:36 AM, LinuxIsOne linuxis...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 10:35 AM, LinuxIsOne linuxis...@gmail.com wrote: That's debatable; it generally means that the amount of time that passes before they realise that Linux is not Windows is increased. It definitely

Re: [gentoo-user] can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse

2011-12-08 Thread LinuxIsOne
On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 10:56 AM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: As long as we're talking about *you*, and not about someone you're setting things up for, here's what I'd suggest: 1) Keep your existing Ubuntu setup operational, at least for a while. Gentoo isn't something you should

Re: [gentoo-user] can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse

2011-12-08 Thread Lorenzo Bandieri
2011/12/8 LinuxIsOne linuxis...@gmail.com: On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 9:29 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: Don't take our word for it, go look for yourself. I could give you examples of how that forum works, I could give you links that show what we are saying, but NOTHING can

Re: [gentoo-user] can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse

2011-12-08 Thread LinuxIsOne
On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 11:19 AM, Lorenzo Bandieri lorenzo.bandi...@gmail.com wrote: Well, maybe my experience will be useful to you. Ubuntu was my introduction to linux. First, I'll start by saying that before linux I didn't know absolutely nothing about computers and the like. I had my first

Re: [gentoo-user] can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse

2011-12-08 Thread Mick
On Thursday 08 Dec 2011 16:11:56 LinuxIsOne wrote: On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 10:56 AM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: As long as we're talking about *you*, and not about someone you're setting things up for, here's what I'd suggest: 1) Keep your existing Ubuntu setup operational, at

Re: [gentoo-user] can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse

2011-12-08 Thread Frank Steinmetzger
On Thu, Dec 08, 2011 at 08:09:34PM +, Mick wrote: Ubuntu is great for it just works. Ubuntu isn't so great for it just keeps working. Neither is Gentoo, for that matter, but, at least with Gentoo, you'll know how to fix it. Ah, thanks for the nice suggestions, I would keep a

Re: [gentoo-user] can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse

2011-12-07 Thread Stroller
On 6 December 2011, at 23:25, Grant Edwards wrote: ... The Ubuntu documentation seems to be mainly user-forum threads full of wrong answers posted by people who didn't understand the question. I tried Ubuntu, hated this *so* much. I'm sure all the respondents were just trying to be helpful,

Re: [gentoo-user] can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse

2011-12-07 Thread LinuxIsOne
On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 5:20 AM, Stroller strol...@stellar.eclipse.co.uk wrote: I tried Ubuntu, hated this *so* much. I'm sure all the respondents were just trying to be helpful, but they made Ubuntu look like the distro of idiots. How do you say like this? Can you give me an example please?

Re: [gentoo-user] can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse

2011-12-03 Thread Stroller
On 2 December 2011, at 17:48, LinuxIsOne wrote: ... Why I asked to just know if Gentoo is better or openSUSE is better for a novice who want to learn Linux, just coming directly from Windows...that's why...However, I have liked the Ubuntu (since it is easy and nice) but don't know about all

Re: Re: [gentoo-user] can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse

2011-12-03 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Why I asked to just know if Gentoo is better or openSUSE is better for a novice who want to learn Linux, just coming directly from Windows...that's why...However, I have liked the Ubuntu (since it is easy and nice) but don't know about all Linux in generalis Gentoo is also using the same Linux

[gentoo-user] can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse

2011-12-02 Thread LinuxIsOne
Hello, Does one have the experience for the following: gentoo vs openSUSE for ease of use, better navigation, applications working perfectly without any crash(es), better up gradations, smooth working, etc..etc... Best Regards.

Re: [gentoo-user] can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse

2011-12-02 Thread Andrew Tchernoivanov
Hi! I use gentoo on my desktop (P4, 2 Gb RAM) and openSuSe on laptop (Lenovo x200s). They both work perfectly well, especially when you precisely know what you are expecting from OS )) Regarding your questions: About DE: I've tried to use Enlightenment with SuSe, and worked very well (only

Re: [gentoo-user] can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse

2011-12-02 Thread LinuxIsOne
2011/12/2 Andrew Tchernoivanov: Hi! Hello. I use gentoo on my desktop (P4, 2 Gb RAM) and openSuSe on laptop (Lenovo x200s). They both work perfectly well, especially when you precisely know what you are expecting from OS )) Regarding your questions: Ok well. About DE:  I've tried to use

Re: [gentoo-user] can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse

2011-12-02 Thread Mick
On Friday 02 Dec 2011 14:41:29 LinuxIsOne wrote: Hello, Does one have the experience for the following: gentoo vs openSUSE for ease of use, better navigation, applications working perfectly without any crash(es), better up gradations, smooth working, etc..etc... Best Regards. If

Re: [gentoo-user] can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse

2011-12-02 Thread Dale
LinuxIsOne wrote: Why I asked to just know if Gentoo is better or openSUSE is better for a novice who want to learn Linux, just coming directly from Windows...that's why...However, I have liked the Ubuntu (since it is easy and nice) but don't know about all Linux in generalis Gentoo is

Re: [gentoo-user] can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse

2011-12-02 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Dec 3, 2011 3:06 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: LinuxIsOne wrote: Why I asked to just know if Gentoo is better or openSUSE is better for a novice who want to learn Linux, just coming directly from Windows...that's why...However, I have liked the Ubuntu (since it is easy and nice) but

Re: [gentoo-user] can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse

2011-12-02 Thread Frank Steinmetzger
On Sat, Dec 03, 2011 at 07:53:58AM +0700, Pandu Poluan wrote: On Dec 3, 2011 3:06 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: LinuxIsOne wrote: Why I asked to just know if Gentoo is better or openSUSE is better for a novice who want to learn Linux, just coming directly from Windows...that's

Re: [gentoo-user] can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse

2011-12-02 Thread Michael Mol
On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 7:53 PM, Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote: Another plus point is the almost complete devel tools provided out of the box: the gcc suite. Now if I happen across an open source project that hasn't made it yet to the portage tree, I can just download and compile it

Re: [gentoo-user] can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse

2011-12-02 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Dec 3, 2011 8:25 AM, Frank Steinmetzger war...@gmx.de wrote: On Sat, Dec 03, 2011 at 07:53:58AM +0700, Pandu Poluan wrote: On Dec 3, 2011 3:06 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: LinuxIsOne wrote: Why I asked to just know if Gentoo is better or openSUSE is better for a novice

Re: [gentoo-user] can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse

2011-12-02 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Dec 3, 2011 9:14 AM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 7:53 PM, Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote: Another plus point is the almost complete devel tools provided out of the box: the gcc suite. Now if I happen across an open source project that hasn't made it

Re: [gentoo-user] can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse

2011-12-02 Thread Dale
Pandu Poluan wrote: Indeed! Especially control freaks like me :-) But seriously, I personally found Gentoo to be the most logical Linux distro. Yes, the initial barrier (installation) is daunting, so to speak, but after doing it successfully, one can immediately intuit what's going on.

Re: [gentoo-user] can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse

2011-12-02 Thread Frank Steinmetzger
On Fri, Dec 02, 2011 at 09:09:38PM -0500, Michael Mol wrote: On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 7:53 PM, Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote: Another plus point is the almost complete devel tools provided out of the box: the gcc suite. Now if I happen across an open source project that hasn't made it