On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 06:39:44 +0100, Joost Roeleveld wrote:
Technically, we are all using an initramfs as all 2.6/3 kernels mount
an initramfs when they load. If does not contain an init script, they
fall back to the legacy behaviour.
See
Mike Edenfield wrote:
From: Dale [mailto:rdalek1...@gmail.com]
This has been one of my points too. I could go out and buy me a bluetooth
mouse/keyboard but I don't because it to complicates matters.
I had a long reply to Walt that I (probably wisely) decided not to send, but
the basic
On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 21:47:16 -0500, Dale wrote:
I may end up with a init thingy, which I am currently using. Thing is,
the first time it breaks and I can't fix it, I'll install something
else.
That's why I build the initramfs into the kernel and not as a separate
file. If I do something to
Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 21:47:16 -0500, Dale wrote:
I may end up with a init thingy, which I am currently using. Thing is,
the first time it breaks and I can't fix it, I'll install something
else.
That's why I build the initramfs into the kernel and not as a separate
On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 05:10:55 -0500, Dale wrote:
That's why I build the initramfs into the kernel and not as a separate
file. If I do something to break the initramfs I just boot the
previous kernel knowing it will still work.
I tried that. It broke. It didn't boot not even once. Google
On 2012-03-14 9:03 PM, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote:
*YOUR WIFE'S LAPTOP* won't boot properly without /usr on /, or an
initramfs. OK, put /usr on /, or an initramfs*ON YOUR WIFE'S LAPTOP*.
I don't have a problem with that. What gets people really upset is the
dog-in-the-manger
On 2012-03-15 5:13 AM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote:
That's why I build the initramfs into the kernel and not as a separate
file. If I do something to break the initramfs I just boot the previous
kernel knowing it will still work.
Ok, time to show my ignorance...
How would I know if
On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 08:41:38 -0400, Tanstaafl wrote:
That's why I build the initramfs into the kernel and not as a separate
file. If I do something to break the initramfs I just boot the
previous kernel knowing it will still work.
Ok, time to show my ignorance...
How would I know if
On 2012-03-15 9:05 AM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote:
On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 08:41:38 -0400, Tanstaafl wrote:
That's why I build the initramfs into the kernel and not as a separate
file. If I do something to break the initramfs I just boot the
previous kernel knowing it will still work.
From: Dale [mailto:rdalek1...@gmail.com]
This has been one of my points too. I could go out and buy me a bluetooth
mouse/keyboard but I don't because it to complicates matters.
I had a long reply to Walt that I (probably wisely) decided not to send, but
the basic point of it is also relevant
On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 09:56:12 -0400, Tanstaafl wrote:
Well, you built the kernel, so you should know.
Well, since I basically just used a kernel .config that someone else
originally set up, copying .config over and running make oldconfig when
upgrading over the years, stumbling through
On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 6:56 AM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote:
On 2012-03-15 9:05 AM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote:
On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 08:41:38 -0400, Tanstaafl wrote:
That's why I build the initramfs into the kernel and not as a separate
file. If I do something to
On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 10:09 AM, Mike Edenfield kut...@kutulu.org wrote:
From: Dale [mailto:rdalek1...@gmail.com]
This has been one of my points too. I could go out and buy me a bluetooth
mouse/keyboard but I don't because it to complicates matters.
I had a long reply to Walt that I
On Mar 15, 2012 9:50 PM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote:
8 snip
That's really not the reason for it. I mean, sure, I think the initial
reactions were mostly grumpiness and misinformed outrage, but I don't
think the contrariness really *baked* in until people got a twofer of
you're
On Thursday, March 15, 2012 01:05:12 PM Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 08:41:38 -0400, Tanstaafl wrote:
That's why I build the initramfs into the kernel and not as a
separate
file. If I do something to break the initramfs I just boot the
previous kernel knowing it will still
Walter Dnes wrote:
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 06:22:39PM -0500, Dale wrote
I think mdev has shown it can be fixed. Given time, it just may replace
udev then the udev dev can screw up his own stuff on not bother other
distros. I'm giving mdev some thought here. I want /usr on LVM which
means
Hi, Walter.
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 04:09:46AM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 06:22:39PM -0500, Dale wrote
I think mdev has shown it can be fixed. Given time, it just may replace
udev then the udev dev can screw up his own stuff on not bother other
distros. I'm giving
On Mar 14, 2012 9:45 PM, Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote:
Hi, Walter.
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 04:09:46AM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 06:22:39PM -0500, Dale wrote
I think mdev has shown it can be fixed. Given time, it just may
replace
udev then the udev dev can
From: Alan McKinnon [mailto:alan.mckin...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 3:14 AM
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: LVM, /usr and really really bad thoughts.
On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 11:54:58 +0700
Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote:
The idea
On Mar 14, 2012 11:19 PM, Mike Edenfield kut...@kutulu.org wrote:
From: Alan McKinnon [mailto:alan.mckin...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 3:14 AM
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: LVM, /usr and really really bad thoughts.
On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 11
From: Pandu Poluan [mailto:pa...@poluan.info]
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 12:28 PM
This email [1] (and the correction email right afterwards) should give some
much-needed perspective on
why we're driving full-speed toward an overturned manure truck (which some of
us, e.g., Walter and
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 06:15:03PM -0400, Mike Edenfield wrote
Every machine I run Linux on is a huge desktop system running behemoth
software (Eclipse, GNOME, Chromium, LibreOffice, etc.).
I have Abiword, Gimp, Gnumeric, Firefox, etc, running just fine, thank
you, on ICEWM.
He seems to be
Walter Dnes wrote:
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 06:15:03PM -0400, Mike Edenfield wrote
Every machine I run Linux on is a huge desktop system running behemoth
software (Eclipse, GNOME, Chromium, LibreOffice, etc.).
I have Abiword, Gimp, Gnumeric, Firefox, etc, running just fine, thank
you, on
On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 11:54:58 +0700
Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote:
The idea of trying to launch udevd and initialize devices without
the software, installed in /usr, which is required by those devices
is a configuration that causes problems in many real-world,
practical situations.
On Mar 13, 2012 2:19 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 11:54:58 +0700
Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote:
The idea of trying to launch udevd and initialize devices without
the software, installed in /usr, which is required by those devices
is a
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 1:31 AM, Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote:
On Mar 13, 2012 2:19 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 11:54:58 +0700
Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote:
The idea of trying to launch udevd and initialize devices without
the
On Mar 13, 2012 2:41 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 1:31 AM, Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote:
On Mar 13, 2012 2:19 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 11:54:58 +0700
Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote:
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 06:22:39PM -0500, Dale wrote
I think mdev has shown it can be fixed. Given time, it just may replace
udev then the udev dev can screw up his own stuff on not bother other
distros. I'm giving mdev some thought here. I want /usr on LVM which
means it has to be
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 2:09 AM, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote:
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 06:22:39PM -0500, Dale wrote
I think mdev has shown it can be fixed. Given time, it just may replace
udev then the udev dev can screw up his own stuff on not bother other
distros. I'm giving
On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 01:38:26 -0600, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
Of course, for a normal desktop user, a separate /usr is basically
useless.
If you need to encrypt /etc but don't want the overhead of encrypting
everything is /usr, which is basically publicly available files anyway,
separating /
On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 17:53:29 -0600
Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote:
As Alan said in other thread, it can be fixed (if you think is not
right) for some very specific cases. Alan mentioned servers, really
simple desktops with simple hotplug devices, and embedded systems. For
mdev to
On Mar 13, 2012 10:39 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 17:53:29 -0600
Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote:
As Alan said in other thread, it can be fixed (if you think is not
right) for some very specific cases. Alan mentioned servers, really
On 2012-03-13 08:13, Alan McKinnon wrote:
I've also thought about this and I also want to ask why?
Hm... me too? :-)
I stopped using a separate /usr on my workstations a long time ago when
I realized it was pointless. The days of 5M hard disks when the entire
Ok, you realized it was
Hi!
2012/3/11 walt w41...@gmail.com:
On 03/11/2012 05:16 AM, Jorge Martínez López wrote:
Hi!
Hi Jorge.
I had some struggle with a separate /usr on top of LVM
I'm just curious why you use a separate /usr, and why you are
willing to struggle to keep it that way. Several people have
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 2:23 PM, Jorge Martínez López jorg...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi!
2012/3/11 walt w41...@gmail.com:
On 03/11/2012 05:16 AM, Jorge Martínez López wrote:
Hi!
Hi Jorge.
I had some struggle with a separate /usr on top of LVM
I'm just curious why you use a separate /usr, and
On March 12, 2012 at 2:30 PM Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote:
Don't forget you're using Gentoo; you're implicitly not very far
removed from the skill levels of the developers themselves.
--
:wq
Maybe you're not, but it only takes me a few minutes being around chithead
and
On Monday 12 Mar 2012 18:39:26 Bruce Hill, Jr. wrote:
On March 12, 2012 at 2:30 PM Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote:
Don't forget you're using Gentoo; you're implicitly not very far
removed from the skill levels of the developers themselves.
--
:wq
Maybe you're not, but it
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 2:39 PM, Bruce Hill, Jr.
da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote:
On March 12, 2012 at 2:30 PM Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote:
Don't forget you're using Gentoo; you're implicitly not very far
removed from the skill levels of the developers themselves.
--
:wq
On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 14:39:26 -0400 (EDT)
Bruce Hill, Jr. da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote:
On March 12, 2012 at 2:30 PM Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote:
Don't forget you're using Gentoo; you're implicitly not very far
removed from the skill levels of the developers
Bruce Hill, Jr. wrote:
On March 12, 2012 at 2:30 PM Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote:
Don't forget you're using Gentoo; you're implicitly not very far
removed from the skill levels of the developers themselves.
--
:wq
Maybe you're not, but it only takes me a few minutes being
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 5:22 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
Bruce Hill, Jr. wrote:
On March 12, 2012 at 2:30 PM Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote:
Don't forget you're using Gentoo; you're implicitly not very far
removed from the skill levels of the developers themselves.
--
:wq
From: Dale [mailto:rdalek1...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 7:23 PM
I like that quote. I may not be dev material but I know this /usr mess
is not right. The only reason it is happening is because of one or two
distros that push it to make it easier for themselves.
If that's
On Mar 13, 2012 9:05 AM, Mike Edenfield kut...@kutulu.org wrote:
From: Dale [mailto:rdalek1...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 7:23 PM
I like that quote. I may not be dev material but I know this /usr mess
is not right. The only reason it is happening is because of one or two
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