Re: [gentoo-user] systemd very slow to compile?

On Friday 11 September 2015 15:08:54 walt wrote: >My very old and slow ~amd64 machine took 3 hours and 45-minutes to >compile systemd-226 today. Just out of curiosity: exactly how old? My dual-core amd64 system is almost 9 years old now, and systemd compiles in about 6 minutes: # genlop -t

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd very slow to compile?

On Sunday 13 September 2015 13:57:04 Peter Humphrey wrote: >On Sunday 13 September 2015 13:16:29 Marc Joliet wrote: >> I couldn't get KMail -- which I am still getting used to -- to stop it's >> automatic line wrapping just for those lines, if it even supports that > >You can switch it on or off,

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd very slow to compile?

On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 6:08 PM, walt wrote: > My very old and slow ~amd64 machine took 3 hours and 45-minutes to > compile systemd-226 today. I was curious to know why it was taking so > long to finish, so I used 'top' to see what was happening. > > Turns out that two

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd-224 Look out for new networking behavior

Am Tue, 4 Aug 2015 00:37:54 +0100 schrieb Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk: On Mon, 3 Aug 2015 08:50:24 -0500, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: Is this server-related? I have only simple workstations/laptops and I don't enable systemd-networkd at all. It seems that NetworkManager takes

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd-224 Look out for new networking behavior

On Mon, 3 Aug 2015 08:50:24 -0500, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: Is this server-related? I have only simple workstations/laptops and I don't enable systemd-networkd at all. It seems that NetworkManager takes care of both wired and wireless without assistance (including dhcp). In

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd-224 Look out for new networking behavior

On Mon, Aug 03 2015, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: In latptops/workstations NetworkManager takes care of everything. However, I still enable systemd-networkd and systemd-resolved in my laptop and workstations. If enabled without any configuration, it just monitors the network interfaces and

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd-224 Look out for new networking behavior

On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 8:30 AM, gottl...@nyu.edu wrote: On Sun, Aug 02 2015, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Sun, Aug 2, 2015 at 10:03 AM, walt w41...@gmail.com wrote: I've been running systemd for a long time without needing to enable the dhcpcd service at boot time. Starting with

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd-224 Look out for new networking behavior

On Sun, Aug 02 2015, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Sun, Aug 2, 2015 at 10:03 AM, walt w41...@gmail.com wrote: I've been running systemd for a long time without needing to enable the dhcpcd service at boot time. Starting with systemd-224 that is no longer true. Today I had to enable

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd-224 Look out for new networking behavior

On Sun, Aug 2, 2015 at 10:03 AM, walt w41...@gmail.com wrote: I've been running systemd for a long time without needing to enable the dhcpcd service at boot time. Starting with systemd-224 that is no longer true. Today I had to enable dhcpcd.service specifically or the network interface

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd-224 Look out for new networking behavior

On Sun, 2 Aug 2015 08:03:11 -0700, walt wrote: I've been running systemd for a long time without needing to enable the dhcpcd service at boot time. Starting with systemd-224 that is no longer true. Today I had to enable dhcpcd.service specifically or the network interface didn't get an ip

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd: incorrect behavior when doing poweroff/reboot

On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 6:44 PM, walt w41...@gmail.com wrote: I'd be 100% sure this is a systemd bug except that the problem is so obvious and (I think) so common that I can't believe I'm the only systemd user seeing it: I routinely share /usr/portage over NFS between several gentoo boxes on

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd net interfaces always want a default route?

If it's a static network (meaning, the computer does not usually moves physically), why don't you use a .network unit file (man 5 systemd.network)? I'm converting my configs over to that now. Thanks. Another question - i have a wired interface that's always on, and wireless interface that

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd net interfaces always want a default route?

On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 9:45 PM, Adam Carter adamcart...@gmail.com wrote: If it's a static network (meaning, the computer does not usually moves physically), why don't you use a .network unit file (man 5 systemd.network)? I'm converting my configs over to that now. Thanks. Another question

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd net interfaces always want a default route?

It looks like /etc/systemd/system/network@.service requires a gateway= line, however, for a second interface I wont set another default. Is there a standard way to so this, or do i have to copy network@.service to a new name and remove the 'ip route add' line? Where this service unit file

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd net interfaces always want a default route?

On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 11:18 PM, Adam Carter adamcart...@gmail.com wrote: It looks like /etc/systemd/system/network@.service requires a gateway= line, however, for a second interface I wont set another default. Is there a standard way to so this, or do i have to copy network@.service to a new

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd net interfaces always want a default route?

On 02/13/15 22:39, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 11:18 PM, Adam Carter [1]adamcart...@gmail.com wrote: It looks like /etc/systemd/system/network@.service requires a gateway= line, however, for a second interface I wont set another default. Is there a standard

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd + openvpn

On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 1:58 PM, Joseph syscon...@gmail.com wrote: How do I start and stop systemd services, I would imagine systemd works the same across all distros. You run systemd start service - that is the same on all distros (well, if they're not writing fancy wrappers around it or

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd + openvpn

On 02/11/15 14:16, Rich Freeman wrote: On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 1:58 PM, Joseph syscon...@gmail.com wrote: How do I start and stop systemd services, I would imagine systemd works the same across all distros. You run systemd start service - that is the same on all distros (well, if they're not

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd not starting wpa_supplicant after last update

On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 11:14 AM, walt w41...@gmail.com wrote: Yesterday I updated both systemd (218-r3) and wpa (2.3-r2) and discovered the systemd unit files are not as easy to understand as they were. journalctl says: Job wpa_supplicant@multi-user.service/start failed with result

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd not starting wpa_supplicant after last update

On Wed, 11 Feb 2015 13:22:13 -0600, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: I use NetworkManager for wireless connections, and systemd-networkd for static ethernet, so I don't use wpa_supplicant directly. However, I would suggest to simply enable wpa_supplicant@your-wireless-device.service. I have it set

Re: [gentoo-user] [systemd] Is this a NetworkManager bug?

On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 7:39 PM, walt w41...@gmail.com wrote: I just switched my home LAN from wired to all wifi and I'm having trouble with NetworkManager at boot time. I have systemd start NetworkManager at boot because I need the internet for ntpdate and to start the nfs server for the

Re: [gentoo-user] [systemd] Is this a NetworkManager bug?

On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 16:39:18 -0700, walt wrote: I just switched my home LAN from wired to all wifi and I'm having trouble with NetworkManager at boot time. I have systemd start NetworkManager at boot because I need the internet for ntpdate and to start the nfs server for the LAN. Before I

Re: [gentoo-user] [systemd] Is this a NetworkManager bug?

On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 6:39 PM, walt w41...@gmail.com wrote: I just switched my home LAN from wired to all wifi and I'm having trouble with NetworkManager at boot time. I have systemd start NetworkManager at boot because I need the internet for ntpdate and to start the nfs server for the

Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd and PyTimeChart

On Sep 24, 2014 2:34 AM, James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: Hello PyTimeChart is another wonderful tool that complements Ftrace/trace-cmd/KernelShark. [1] The systemd supporters would be keenly wise if they added pytimechart to Gentoo, so those (systemd) reticent to change, can actually

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd warning kernel 3.10 required

On Sun, Jun 29, 2014 at 5:41 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jun 29, 2014 at 3:43 PM, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: What is the significance of the warning when updating to systemd-214 that kernel 3.10 is required? I can't go to that now, what might break? The README

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd warning kernel 3.10 required

On Sun, Jun 29, 2014 at 3:43 PM, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: What is the significance of the warning when updating to systemd-214 that kernel 3.10 is required? I can't go to that now, what might break? The README from systemd still says that you need 3.8 [1] (3.0 without some features);

Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower

On Mon, 9 Jun 2014 18:43:04 + Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote: Hello, Rick, thanks for the reply. [... cut all the emerge output, quotes and text in between ...] What the heck is going on, when a package management system can't even make a decision on which version of perl to use,

Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower

On Tue, Jun 03, 2014 at 05:11:32PM +0200, Silvio Siefke wrote: On Tue, 3 Jun 2014 09:29:35 -0500 Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: If I understood correctly, you need to: emerge -C sys-power/upower emerge -1v sys-power/upower-pm-utils and then update world as usual. Yes is

Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/09/2014 11:34 AM, Alan Mackenzie wrote: On Tue, Jun 03, 2014 at 05:11:32PM +0200, Silvio Siefke wrote: On Tue, 3 Jun 2014 09:29:35 -0500 Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: If I understood correctly, you need to: emerge -C

Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower

On 06/09/2014 06:34 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote: On Tue, Jun 03, 2014 at 05:11:32PM +0200, Silvio Siefke wrote: On Tue, 3 Jun 2014 09:29:35 -0500 Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: If I understood correctly, you need to: emerge -C sys-power/upower emerge -1v sys-power/upower-pm-utils

Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower

Hello, Rick, thanks for the reply. On Mon, Jun 09, 2014 at 12:18:41PM -0400, Rick Zero_Chaos Farina wrote: On 06/09/2014 11:34 AM, Alan Mackenzie wrote: I do this: emerge --unmerge upower emerge -1vp sys-power/upower-pm-utils , and I still get portage threatening to merge that

Apologies - WAS: Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower

On 6/4/2014 9:47 AM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: You seem to think the Upower devs simply decided to use systemd instead of doing it themselves. In fact, they were always using code, from either systemd or pm-utils. The fact that development stopped on pm-utils is neither the fault

Re: Apologies - WAS: Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower

On Sun, Jun 8, 2014 at 1:26 PM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: First question: is there a decent guide to installing a gentoo system from scratch using systemd as the init system? I've done this a few times on VMs. Just follow the handbook, but skip steps about configuring

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd not shutting down all the way

On June 6, 2014 01:27:51 cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: Hi. Whenever I issue the command shutdown -h now to shutdown the system, having booted under systemd, the computer never actually shuts down. It does stop some services, but eventually just sits there -- about the last one I see is

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd not shutting down all the way

Bryan Gardiner b...@khumba.net wrote: On June 6, 2014 01:27:51 cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: Hi. Whenever I issue the command shutdown -h now to shutdown the system, having booted under systemd, the computer never actually shuts down. It does stop some services, but eventually just sits

Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower

On 06/04/2014 11:11 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 5:28 AM, Greg Woodbury redwo...@gmail.com wrote: To see this as only freedom for the developer is part of an attitude shift over the years that only lessens the overall usefulness of Linux and FOSS. It does, in fact,

Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower

On Wed, 04 Jun 2014 19:15:22 -0400 Dutch Ingraham s...@gmx.us wrote: Thanks everybody for your help. I've made the further suggested changes, but I remain with the three hard blocks. Can you provide the emerge output of the following command? emerge --tree --unordered-diplay -uDNv @world

Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower

On Thu, 5 Jun 2014 00:27:28 +0100 Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Wed, 04 Jun 2014 19:15:22 -0400, Dutch Ingraham wrote: I suppose its now time for an uninstall. Kind of disappointing; we are told Gentoo is about choices, and in fact that's true. I made the choice to use a

Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower

On Thu, 05 Jun 2014 02:34:49 -0400 Greg Woodbury redwo...@gmail.com wrote: On 06/04/2014 11:11 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: It is a discussion about technological things, yes, but the art of dealing with other people *is* politics [1]. Politics are also about dealing with power, not alone

Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower

On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 2:34 AM, Greg Woodbury redwo...@gmail.com wrote: Unfortunately, the advocates and implementers made some major political choices when they (apparently deliberately) chose to put the systemd stuff in /usr/lib instead of /lib. It was pointed out that this abrogated

Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower

On 05/06/14 14:11, Rich Freeman wrote: On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 2:34 AM, Greg Woodbury redwo...@gmail.com wrote: Unfortunately, the advocates and implementers made some major political choices when they (apparently deliberately) chose to put the systemd stuff in /usr/lib instead of /lib. It

Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower

On 06/04/2014 08:02 PM, Samuli Suominen wrote: On 05/06/14 02:15, Dutch Ingraham wrote: On 06/04/2014 03:17 PM, Samuli Suominen wrote: On 04/06/14 20:11, Dutch Ingraham wrote: On 06/04/2014 07:22 AM, Daniel Troeder wrote: Am 04.06.2014 06:05, schrieb Samuli Suominen: On 04/06/14 05:17,

Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower

On 05/06/14 14:39, Dutch Ingraham wrote: On 06/04/2014 08:02 PM, Samuli Suominen wrote: Gentoo doesn't have write access to ::mate-overlay, it's completely unofficial Gentoo developers are just as much users as you are for ::mate-overlay Enough said - Samuli Sorry, but this isn't just

Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower

On 06/05/2014 05:40 AM, Tom Wijsman wrote: On Wed, 04 Jun 2014 19:15:22 -0400 Dutch Ingraham s...@gmx.us wrote: Thanks everybody for your help. I've made the further suggested changes, but I remain with the three hard blocks. Can you provide the emerge output of the following command?

Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower

On 06/05/2014 08:00 AM, Samuli Suominen wrote: On 05/06/14 14:39, Dutch Ingraham wrote: On 06/04/2014 08:02 PM, Samuli Suominen wrote: Gentoo doesn't have write access to ::mate-overlay, it's completely unofficial Gentoo developers are just as much users as you are for ::mate-overlay

Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower

On 05/06/14 15:17, Dutch Ingraham wrote: On 06/05/2014 08:00 AM, Samuli Suominen wrote: On 05/06/14 14:39, Dutch Ingraham wrote: On 06/04/2014 08:02 PM, Samuli Suominen wrote: Gentoo doesn't have write access to ::mate-overlay, it's completely unofficial Gentoo developers are just as much

Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower

On Thu, 05 Jun 2014 08:11:31 -0400 Dutch Ingraham s...@gmx.us wrote: [nomerge ] mate-base/mate-1.6.0::mate-overlay You are still using the MATE overlay, which wasn't synced up with the latest changes; make layman sync, but if you want to be really sure just remove the overlay from layman

Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower

Sent:Thursday, June 05, 2014 at 8:18 AM From:Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org To:gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject:Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower On 05/06/14 15:17, Dutch Ingraham wrote: On 06/05/2014 08:00 AM, Samuli Suominen wrote: On 05/06/14 14:39, Dutch Ingraham wrote: On

Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower

Sent:Thursday, June 05, 2014 at 8:31 AM From:Tom Wijsman tom...@gentoo.org To:gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject:Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower On Thu, 05 Jun 2014 08:11:31 -0400 Dutch Ingraham s...@gmx.us wrote: [nomerge ] mate-base/mate-1.6.0::mate-overlay You are still using the MATE

Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower

On Thu, 5 Jun 2014 16:15:11 +0200 Dutch Ingraham s...@gmx.us wrote: If you could point me to the proper command set to make the switch, I'd appreciate it. Remove the overlay (`layman -d mate`) and then do a world upgrade. It is as simple as that, as it'll upgrade all those packages to the

Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower

On Thursday 05 Jun 2014 15:15:11 Dutch Ingraham wrote: htmlhead/headbodydiv style=font-family: Verdana;font-size: 12.0px;divnbsp; divnbsp; div name=quoted-contentnbsp;/div div name=quoted-contentIf you could point me to the proper command set to make the switch, I#39;d appreciate it./div

Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower

On 06/05/2014 11:40 AM, Tom Wijsman wrote: On Thu, 5 Jun 2014 16:15:11 +0200 Dutch Ingraham s...@gmx.us wrote: If you could point me to the proper command set to make the switch, I'd appreciate it. Remove the overlay (`layman -d mate`) and then do a world upgrade. It is as simple as

Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower

On 06/03/2014 10:05 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 8:37 PM, Greg Woodbury redwo...@gmail.com wrote: Sure, systemd is a more elegant solution than the patchworks that have been applied several times to the original SysV concept. Glad to see you recognize that.

Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower

Am 04.06.2014 06:05, schrieb Samuli Suominen: On 04/06/14 05:17, Dutch Ingraham wrote: No, sys-fs/udev is not masked, but an update is indicated in the emerge above. That's a good catch, the MATE stuff is from the overlay. Unfortunately, the xfce stuff is not, so even if the overlay

Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower

Am 04.06.2014 13:22, schrieb Daniel Troeder: Am 04.06.2014 06:05, schrieb Samuli Suominen: On 04/06/14 05:17, Dutch Ingraham wrote: No, sys-fs/udev is not masked, but an update is indicated in the emerge above. That's a good catch, the MATE stuff is from the overlay. Unfortunately, the

Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower

On 6/3/2014 1:08 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 11:48 AM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: On 6/3/2014 11:10 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe. The thing is, this is going to keep happening, as more and more infrastructure

Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower

On Tue, 03 Jun 2014 22:17:21 -0400 Dutch Ingraham s...@gmx.us wrote: That's a good catch, the MATE stuff is from the overlay. MATE 1.6 is stable in the Portage tree, MATE 1.8 is testing in the Portage tree; both had their upower dependencies fixed up days ago. -- With kind regards, Tom

Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower

On 04/06/14 15:15, Daniel Troeder wrote: Am 04.06.2014 13:22, schrieb Daniel Troeder: Am 04.06.2014 06:05, schrieb Samuli Suominen: On 04/06/14 05:17, Dutch Ingraham wrote: No, sys-fs/udev is not masked, but an update is indicated in the emerge above. That's a good catch, the MATE stuff is

Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower

On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 8:21 AM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: And yes, as devs get lazier (decide to rely on systemd rather than build it to work independently of the init system), this will in fact result in *users* (read: those lacking the skills to code every program out there

Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower

On 04/06/14 15:21, Tanstaafl wrote: On 6/3/2014 1:08 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 11:48 AM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: On 6/3/2014 11:10 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe. The thing is, this is going to keep

Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower

On 04/06/14 15:58, Rich Freeman wrote: On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 8:21 AM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: And yes, as devs get lazier (decide to rely on systemd rather than build it to work independently of the init system), this will in fact result in *users* (read: those lacking the

Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower

On Wed, 04 Jun 2014 08:21:51 -0400, Tanstaafl wrote: And yes, as devs get lazier (decide to rely on systemd rather than build it to work independently of the init system), Reusing existing, proven code is not laziness, it is efficiency. Yes, they could code their own version, but all the time

Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower

On 04/06/14 16:47, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 04 Jun 2014 08:21:51 -0400, Tanstaafl wrote: And yes, as devs get lazier (decide to rely on systemd rather than build it to work independently of the init system), Reusing existing, proven code is not laziness, it is efficiency. Yes, they

Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower

On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 5:28 AM, Greg Woodbury redwo...@gmail.com wrote: On 06/03/2014 10:05 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 8:37 PM, Greg Woodbury redwo...@gmail.com wrote: Sure, systemd is a more elegant solution than the patchworks that have been applied several times

Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower

On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 7:21 AM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: On 6/3/2014 1:08 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: [ ... ] Who is forcing anything? I was specifically referring to your comment that: The thing is, this is going to keep happening, as more and more

Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower

On 06/04/2014 07:22 AM, Daniel Troeder wrote: Am 04.06.2014 06:05, schrieb Samuli Suominen: On 04/06/14 05:17, Dutch Ingraham wrote: No, sys-fs/udev is not masked, but an update is indicated in the emerge above. That's a good catch, the MATE stuff is from the overlay. Unfortunately, the

Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower

Am Wed, 04 Jun 2014 16:08:02 +0300 schrieb Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org: [...] So yeah, only working with what upstreams provide as a distribution maintainer/packager, and people shouldn't try to dump this somehow on me. Fact that they have some fallback, like upower-pm-utils at all,

Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower

On Wednesday 04 June 2014 20:28:22 Marc Joliet wrote: I'm grateful! In fact, since I have this opportunity: thank you and all the other devs for your hard work, and for withstanding insufferable users :) . [AOL] Me too. [/AOL] -- Regards Peter

Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower

On 04/06/14 20:11, Dutch Ingraham wrote: On 06/04/2014 07:22 AM, Daniel Troeder wrote: Am 04.06.2014 06:05, schrieb Samuli Suominen: On 04/06/14 05:17, Dutch Ingraham wrote: No, sys-fs/udev is not masked, but an update is indicated in the emerge above. That's a good catch, the MATE stuff is

Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower

On 06/04/2014 03:17 PM, Samuli Suominen wrote: On 04/06/14 20:11, Dutch Ingraham wrote: On 06/04/2014 07:22 AM, Daniel Troeder wrote: Am 04.06.2014 06:05, schrieb Samuli Suominen: On 04/06/14 05:17, Dutch Ingraham wrote: No, sys-fs/udev is not masked, but an update is indicated in the

Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower

On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 2:15 AM, Dutch Ingraham s...@gmx.us wrote: On 06/04/2014 03:17 PM, Samuli Suominen wrote: On 04/06/14 20:11, Dutch Ingraham wrote: On 06/04/2014 07:22 AM, Daniel Troeder wrote: Am 04.06.2014 06:05, schrieb Samuli Suominen: On 04/06/14 05:17, Dutch Ingraham wrote: No,

Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower

On Wed, 04 Jun 2014 19:15:22 -0400, Dutch Ingraham wrote: I suppose its now time for an uninstall. Kind of disappointing; we are told Gentoo is about choices, and in fact that's true. I made the choice to use a pure openRC system. The last 7 hours of free time, though, was spent trying,

Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower

On 05/06/14 02:15, Dutch Ingraham wrote: On 06/04/2014 03:17 PM, Samuli Suominen wrote: On 04/06/14 20:11, Dutch Ingraham wrote: On 06/04/2014 07:22 AM, Daniel Troeder wrote: Am 04.06.2014 06:05, schrieb Samuli Suominen: On 04/06/14 05:17, Dutch Ingraham wrote: No, sys-fs/udev is not

Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower

On 05/06/14 02:25, Alon Bar-Lev wrote: On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 2:15 AM, Dutch Ingraham s...@gmx.us wrote: On 06/04/2014 03:17 PM, Samuli Suominen wrote: On 04/06/14 20:11, Dutch Ingraham wrote: On 06/04/2014 07:22 AM, Daniel Troeder wrote: Am 04.06.2014 06:05, schrieb Samuli Suominen: On

Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower

On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 3:07 AM, Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org wrote: On 05/06/14 02:25, Alon Bar-Lev wrote: On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 2:15 AM, Dutch Ingraham s...@gmx.us wrote: On 06/04/2014 03:17 PM, Samuli Suominen wrote: On 04/06/14 20:11, Dutch Ingraham wrote: On 06/04/2014 07:22 AM,

Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower

On 05/06/14 03:22, Alon Bar-Lev wrote: This effected stable tree of Gentoo as well, pulling undesired different layout into stable is something that should have been avoided. It is about time we split the profiles, systemd is not option for people who runs openrc. Indeed, I support the idea

Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower

On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 8:46 PM, Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org wrote: On 05/06/14 03:22, Alon Bar-Lev wrote: This effected stable tree of Gentoo as well, pulling undesired different layout into stable is something that should have been avoided. It is about time we split the profiles,

Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower

On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 9:14 AM, Silvio Siefke siefke_lis...@web.de wrote: Hello, mean this i must install now systemd? What can do when i not want systemd. The system what i have is good, i want not change to systemd. [ebuild U ~] sys-devel/gettext-0.19 [0.18.3.2] USE=acl cxx ncurses nls

Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower

On Tuesday 03 June 2014 09:29:35 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: If I understood correctly, you need to: emerge -C sys-power/upower emerge -1v sys-power/upower-pm-utils and then update world as usual. That worked for me - thanks Canek. Portage no longer tries to break a blockage circle, and

Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower

On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 9:52 AM, Peter Humphrey pe...@prh.myzen.co.uk wrote: On Tuesday 03 June 2014 09:29:35 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: If I understood correctly, you need to: emerge -C sys-power/upower emerge -1v sys-power/upower-pm-utils and then update world as usual. That worked for

Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower

On 03/06/14 18:10, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: Maybe a news item explaining the switch of upower would help those who haven't blundered into this yet. Maybe. The thing is, this is going to keep happening, as more and more infrastructure migrates towards systemd. Perhaps a news item everytime

Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower

On Tue, 3 Jun 2014 09:29:35 -0500 Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: If I understood correctly, you need to: emerge -C sys-power/upower emerge -1v sys-power/upower-pm-utils and then update world as usual. Yes is correct, i has find out after read ebuilds from the packages which

Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower

On 03/06/2014 16:29, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 9:14 AM, Silvio Siefke siefke_lis...@web.de wrote: Hello, mean this i must install now systemd? What can do when i not want systemd. The system what i have is good, i want not change to systemd. [ebuild U ~]

Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower

On 6/3/2014 11:10 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe. The thing is, this is going to keep happening, as more and more infrastructure migrates towards systemd. Perhaps a news item everytime it happens is unrealistic? Weren't you the one saying that those of us who were

Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower

On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 11:48 AM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: On 6/3/2014 11:10 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe. The thing is, this is going to keep happening, as more and more infrastructure migrates towards systemd. Perhaps a news item everytime it

Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower

On 03/06/2014 18:48, Tanstaafl wrote: On 6/3/2014 11:10 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe. The thing is, this is going to keep happening, as more and more infrastructure migrates towards systemd. Perhaps a news item everytime it happens is unrealistic? Weren't you the

Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower

On 03/06/2014 19:08, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: Who is forcing anything? pm-utils has been unmaintained FOR FIVE YEARS. Any project that decides to stop using it is making just the right decision; UPower just did the correct thing. And systemd had *nothing* to do with it, except for providing

Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower

Am 03.06.2014 22:14, schrieb Alan McKinnon: This whole systemd thing looks awfully like the switch from a hosts file to DNS so many years ago. Not really. What many people bothers about systemd is that it is getting more and more a) a hard dependancy for software projects, e.g. like GNOME,

Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower

On 03/06/2014 23:01, Marc Stürmer wrote: Am 03.06.2014 22:14, schrieb Alan McKinnon: This whole systemd thing looks awfully like the switch from a hosts file to DNS so many years ago. Not really. What many people bothers about systemd is that it is getting more and more a) a hard

Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower

On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 4:40 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: [...] Incidentally, what exactly is wrong with systemd writing a dhcp server client, and an ntp client? Is that project prohibited from writing such software? Are they not allowed to do it? Does it break legal laws?

Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower

On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 12:59 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 4:40 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: [...] Incidentally, what exactly is wrong with systemd writing a dhcp server client, and an ntp client? Is that project prohibited from

Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower

On Tue, 03 Jun 2014 23:01:20 +0200, Marc Stürmer wrote: Even Linus Torvalds himself ranted about the attitude of systemd's developers at the beginning of May this year. Linus rants about everything and everyone, usually at least twice, once for and once against. It proves nothing beyond Linus

Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower

On 04/06/2014 00:06, Alon Bar-Lev wrote: On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 12:59 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 4:40 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: [...] Incidentally, what exactly is wrong with systemd writing a dhcp server client, and an

Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower

On 04/06/2014 00:59, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Tue, 03 Jun 2014 23:01:20 +0200, Marc Stürmer wrote: Even Linus Torvalds himself ranted about the attitude of systemd's developers at the beginning of May this year. Linus rants about everything and everyone, usually at least twice, once for

Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower

On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 5:06 PM, Alon Bar-Lev alo...@gentoo.org wrote: On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 12:59 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 4:40 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: [...] Incidentally, what exactly is wrong with systemd writing a

Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower

On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 6:07 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On 04/06/2014 00:59, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Tue, 03 Jun 2014 23:01:20 +0200, Marc Stürmer wrote: Even Linus Torvalds himself ranted about the attitude of systemd's developers at the beginning of May this year.

Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower

On 6/3/2014 16:13, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 5:06 PM, Alon Bar-Lev alo...@gentoo.org wrote: On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 12:59 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 4:40 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: [...] Incidentally,

Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower

On Wed, 4 Jun 2014 01:06:52 +0300 Alon Bar-Lev alo...@gentoo.org wrote: Once again, you do not understand the claim. If a user of Gentoo chooses to use non systemd profile, it means that we need to make sure systemd will not be a valid option, ever. There is no such thing as a non systemd

Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower

On 06/03/2014 07:24 PM, Jim Burwell wrote: FWIW, on my system, I had to mask sys-apps/gentoo-systemd-integration for it to merge the udev update w/o trying to pull in systemd, et al. i didn't deep dive on what was trying to pull that in, but masking it (plus a ton of other stuff I have

Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower

On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 7:58 PM, Dutch Ingraham s...@gmx.us wrote: On 06/03/2014 07:24 PM, Jim Burwell wrote: FWIW, on my system, I had to mask sys-apps/gentoo-systemd-integration for it to merge the udev update w/o trying to pull in systemd, et al. i didn't deep dive on what was trying to

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