Re: [gentoo-user] Re: X11 start breaks

2010-02-09 Thread ds
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 3:29 PM, walt w41...@gmail.com wrote: On 12/14/2009 01:08 PM, GerhardosG wrote: /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc: line 61: xterm: command not found /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc: line 62: exec: xterm: not found                                   ^^ That last line is

Re: [gentoo-user] 1-Terabyte drives - 4K sector sizes? - bar performance so far

2010-02-09 Thread J. Roeleveld
On Monday 08 February 2010 21:34:01 Paul Hartman wrote: On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 12:52 PM, Valmor de Almeida val.gen...@gmail.com wrote: Mark Knecht wrote: [snip] This has been helpful for me. I'm glad Valmor is getting better results also. [snip] These 4k-sector drives can be

Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?

2010-02-09 Thread Dale
chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: On Mon, Feb 08, 2010 at 10:20:47PM +, Alan Mackenzie wrote However, I'm now trying to get X up and running. The X Server Configuration HOWTO, section 3. Configuring Xorg says: Hal comes with many premade device

Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?

2010-02-09 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Tuesday 09 February 2010 00:20:47 Alan Mackenzie wrote: Hi, Gentoo! I've just got a sparkling new installation of Gentoo on my new PC. It only took me ~5 hours, mainly because I'd already configured the kernel in a trial run. :-) However, I'm now trying to get X up and running. The

Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?

2010-02-09 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 21:17:08 -0500, Walter Dnes wrote: My solution to simplify Gentoo... waltd...@d531 ~ $ cat /etc/portage/package.mask sys-libs/pam sys-apps/dbus sys-apps/hal That's as much crippling as simplifying. You can do without pam and hal by setting appropriate USE flags (I

Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?

2010-02-09 Thread Willie Wong
On Tue, Feb 09, 2010 at 02:16:15AM -0600, Dale wrote: Simpler than that, just add -hal to xorg stuff in package.use and then run emerge -uvDNa world. It will rebuild a couple things, maybe even just xorg, then everything is back to the old way. This allows hal to be their for other things

Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?

2010-02-09 Thread Dale
chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: On Tue, Feb 09, 2010 at 02:16:15AM -0600, Dale wrote: Simpler than that, just add -hal to xorg stuff in package.use and then run emerge -uvDNa world. It will rebuild a couple things, maybe even just xorg, then everything is

Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?

2010-02-09 Thread Alan Mackenzie
Hi, Iain, On Tue, Feb 09, 2010 at 09:09:14AM +0930, Iain Buchanan wrote: On Mon, 2010-02-08 at 22:20 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote: [snip to the crux:] Can this new-style fragmented XML configuration do anything that a good old-fashioned, human-readable and compact xorg.conf can't? If so,

Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?

2010-02-09 Thread Zeerak Waseem
On Tue, 09 Feb 2010 11:27:32 +0100, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 21:17:08 -0500, Walter Dnes wrote: My solution to simplify Gentoo... waltd...@d531 ~ $ cat /etc/portage/package.mask sys-libs/pam sys-apps/dbus sys-apps/hal That's as much crippling as

Re: [gentoo-user] 1-Terabyte drives - 4K sector sizes? - bar performance so far

2010-02-09 Thread Stroller
On 9 Feb 2010, at 00:27, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 14:34:01 -0600, Paul Hartman wrote: Thanks for the info everyone, but do you understand the agony I am now suffering at the fact that all disk in my system (including all parts of my RAID5) are starting on sector 63 and I

Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?

2010-02-09 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 09 Feb 2010 13:43:12 +0100, Zeerak Waseem wrote: That's as much crippling as simplifying. You can do without pam and hal by setting appropriate USE flags (I run pam-free here by doing just that) but D-Bus provides a standard way for applications to communicate with one another and

Re: [gentoo-user] 1-Terabyte drives - 4K sector sizes? - bar performance so far

2010-02-09 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 9 Feb 2010 12:46:40 +, Stroller wrote: With the RAID, you could fail one disk, repartition, re-add it, rinse and repeat. But that doesn't take care of the time issue. Aren't you thinking of LVM, or something? No. The very nature of RAID is redundancy, so you could remove

Re: [gentoo-user] 1-Terabyte drives - 4K sector sizes? - bar performance so far

2010-02-09 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Dienstag 09 Februar 2010, Stroller wrote: On 9 Feb 2010, at 00:27, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 14:34:01 -0600, Paul Hartman wrote: Thanks for the info everyone, but do you understand the agony I am now suffering at the fact that all disk in my system (including all parts

Re: [gentoo-user] Am I an Erasee ?

2010-02-09 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Dienstag 09 Februar 2010, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: Hi, I wanted to unsubscribe from this list, but the mlmmj said, that I cannot unsubscribe since I am not subscribed. Which isn't quite right as you can see here. I fear if I would subscribe now a second time and unsubscribe

Re: [gentoo-user] 1-Terabyte drives - 4K sector sizes? - bar performance so far

2010-02-09 Thread J. Roeleveld
On Tuesday 09 February 2010 13:46:40 Stroller wrote: On 9 Feb 2010, at 00:27, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 14:34:01 -0600, Paul Hartman wrote: Thanks for the info everyone, but do you understand the agony I am now suffering at the fact that all disk in my system (including all

Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?

2010-02-09 Thread Mike Edenfield
On 2/8/2010 5:20 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote: . Am I the only person that finds this semantic gibberish? Is there any explanation somewhere of what a policy aka device rule is? What is the semantic significance of a device rule? What does it mean, to rule a device, or what sort of restrictions

Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?

2010-02-09 Thread roundyz
Alan Mackenzie wrote: Hi, Iain, On Tue, Feb 09, 2010 at 09:09:14AM +0930, Iain Buchanan wrote: On Mon, 2010-02-08 at 22:20 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote: [snip to the crux:] Can this new-style fragmented XML configuration do anything that a good old-fashioned, human-readable and

Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?

2010-02-09 Thread Mark Knecht
On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 5:33 AM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Tue, 09 Feb 2010 13:43:12 +0100, Zeerak Waseem wrote: That's as much crippling as simplifying. You can do without pam and hal by setting appropriate USE flags (I run pam-free here by doing just that) but D-Bus

Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?

2010-02-09 Thread Mike Edenfield
On 2/9/2010 3:16 AM, Dale wrote: On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 21:17:08 -0500, Walter Dnes wrote: My solution to simplify Gentoo... waltd...@d531 ~ $ cat /etc/portage/package.mask sys-libs/pam sys-apps/dbus sys-apps/hal You'll have to do a manual depclean (very carefully) and revdep-rebuild, but it's

Re: [gentoo-user] 1-Terabyte drives - 4K sector sizes? - bar performance so far

2010-02-09 Thread Stroller
On 9 Feb 2010, at 13:57, J. Roeleveld wrote: ... With Raid (NOT striping) you can remove one disk, leaving the Raid- array in a reduced state. Then repartition the disk you removed, repartition and then re- add the disk to the array. Exactly. Except the partitions extend, in the same

Re: [gentoo-user] 1-Terabyte drives - 4K sector sizes? - bar performance so far

2010-02-09 Thread J. Roeleveld
On Tuesday 09 February 2010 16:11:14 Stroller wrote: On 9 Feb 2010, at 13:57, J. Roeleveld wrote: ... With Raid (NOT striping) you can remove one disk, leaving the Raid- array in a reduced state. Then repartition the disk you removed, repartition and then re- add the disk to the

Re: [gentoo-user] 1-Terabyte drives - 4K sector sizes? - bar performance so far

2010-02-09 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 9 Feb 2010 15:11:14 +, Stroller wrote: You cannot remove one disk from the array and repartition it, because the partition is across the array, not the disk. The single disk, removed from a RAID 5 (specified by Paul Hartman) array does not contain any partitions, just one

Re: [gentoo-user] 1-Terabyte drives - 4K sector sizes? - bar performance so far

2010-02-09 Thread Mark Knecht
On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 4:37 PM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: SNIP There's a few small downsides I've run into with all of this so far: 1) Since we don't use sector 63 it seems that fdisk will still tell you that you can use 63 until you use up all your primary partitions. It used

[gentoo-user] emerge older version

2010-02-09 Thread Laurent Kappler
Hi, I'm tryin to emerge ImageMagick version 6.4.7.0 while current in portage is 6.5.7. How could I do that?? thanks Laurent

Re: [gentoo-user] 1-Terabyte drives - 4K sector sizes? - bar performance so far

2010-02-09 Thread Frank Steinmetzger
Am Dienstag, 9. Februar 2010 schrieb Frank Steinmetzger: 4) Everything I've done so far leave me with messages about partition 1 not ending on a cylinder boundary. Googling on that one says don't worry about it. I don't know... Well since only the start of a partition determines its

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge older version

2010-02-09 Thread Zeerak Waseem
On Tue, 09 Feb 2010 17:45:20 +0100, Laurent Kappler laur...@logiquefloue.org wrote: Hi, I'm tryin to emerge ImageMagick version 6.4.7.0 while current in portage is 6.5.7. How could I do that?? thanks Laurent add this to your package.mask: =media-gfx/imagemagick-6.4.7.1 and then

Re: [gentoo-user] 1-Terabyte drives - 4K sector sizes? - bar performance so far

2010-02-09 Thread Stroller
On 9 Feb 2010, at 15:43, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Tue, 9 Feb 2010 15:11:14 +, Stroller wrote: You cannot remove one disk from the array and repartition it, because the partition is across the array, not the disk. The single disk, removed from a RAID 5 (specified by Paul Hartman) array

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge older version

2010-02-09 Thread Daniel Wagener
On Tue, 09 Feb 2010 17:45:20 +0100 Laurent Kappler laur...@logiquefloue.org wrote: Hi, I'm tryin to emerge ImageMagick version 6.4.7.0 while current in portage is 6.5.7. How could I do that?? thanks Laurent by using emerge =ImageMagick-6.4.7.0 - if that version was in portage though,

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge older version

2010-02-09 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 09 Feb 2010 17:45:20 +0100, Laurent Kappler wrote: Hi, I'm tryin to emerge ImageMagick version 6.4.7.0 while current in portage is 6.5.7. Go to http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/gentoo-x86/ browse to the package you want and select Show dead files. this gives all the obsoleted

Re: [gentoo-user] 1-Terabyte drives - 4K sector sizes? - bar performance so far

2010-02-09 Thread Paul Hartman
On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 6:27 PM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 14:34:01 -0600, Paul Hartman wrote: Thanks for the info everyone, but do you understand the agony I am now suffering at the fact that all disk in my system (including all parts of my RAID5) are starting

Re: [gentoo-user] 1-Terabyte drives - 4K sector sizes? - bar performance so far

2010-02-09 Thread Stroller
On 9 Feb 2010, at 15:27, J. Roeleveld wrote: On Tuesday 09 February 2010 16:11:14 Stroller wrote: On 9 Feb 2010, at 13:57, J. Roeleveld wrote: ... With Raid (NOT striping) you can remove one disk, leaving the Raid- array in a reduced state. Then repartition the disk you removed, repartition

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge older version

2010-02-09 Thread Paul Hartman
On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Laurent Kappler laur...@logiquefloue.org wrote: Hi, I'm tryin to emerge ImageMagick version 6.4.7.0 while current in portage is 6.5.7. How could I do that?? Here you can download ebuilds for all previous versions and then put it in your local overlay:

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge older version

2010-02-09 Thread Kaddeh
try emerge =media-gfx/imagemagick-6.4.7.0 On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 8:45 AM, Laurent Kappler laur...@logiquefloue.orgwrote: Hi, I'm tryin to emerge ImageMagick version 6.4.7.0 while current in portage is 6.5.7. How could I do that?? thanks Laurent

[gentoo-user] Re: emerge older version

2010-02-09 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 02/09/2010 06:45 PM, Laurent Kappler wrote: Hi, I'm tryin to emerge ImageMagick version 6.4.7.0 while current in portage is 6.5.7. How could I do that?? You can't, since the lowest version in portage is 6.5.2.9: $ eix imagemagick [I] media-gfx/imagemagick Available versions:

[gentoo-user] emerge -avt xfce4-meta; haven't got startxfce4. Help, please!

2010-02-09 Thread Alan Mackenzie
Hi, Gentoo, The Subject: just about says it all; following the instructions in The Xfce Configuration Guide, I did # emerge -avt xfce4-meta followed by $ echo exec startxfce4 ~/.xinitrc followed by $ startx. The X-server complained about not finding startxfce4. A quick find

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge older version

2010-02-09 Thread Alex Schuster
Laurent Kappler writes: I'm tryin to emerge ImageMagick version 6.4.7.0 while current in portage is 6.5.7. How could I do that?? Look in the attic [*] for old ebuilds. Looks like 6.4.7.0 is not available, so maybe you will download 6.4.8.3 which is the nearest version. Put the ebuild

Re: [gentoo-user] 1-Terabyte drives - 4K sector sizes? - bar performance so far

2010-02-09 Thread Neil Walker
Hey guys, There seems to be a lot of confusion over this RAID thing. Hardware RAID does not use partitions. The entire drive is used (or, actually, the amount defined in setting up the array) and all I/O is handled by the BIOS on the RAID controller. The array appears as a single drive to the OS

Re: [gentoo-user] When is a disk not a disk?

2010-02-09 Thread Paul Hartman
On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 9:02 AM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: Is this some sort of LVM thing creeping in? I don't use it but I see signs of it starting to show up on my systems like something is making it come in with new profiles or something. Some lvm tools/packages have replaced

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge older version

2010-02-09 Thread KH
Laurent Kappler schrieb: Hi, I'm tryin to emerge ImageMagick version 6.4.7.0 while current in portage is 6.5.7. How could I do that?? thanks Laurent Hi, you will have to search for the source and an ebuild. I remember that there is a place where all (old) ebuils are saved, but I cannot

Re: [gentoo-user] 1-Terabyte drives - 4K sector sizes? - bar performance so far

2010-02-09 Thread Mark Knecht
On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 9:09 AM, Frank Steinmetzger war...@gmx.de wrote: SNIP So sdb7 now ends at sector 976703935. Interestingly, I couldn’t use the immediate next sector for sdb8: start for sdb8   response by fdisk 976703936        sector already allocated 976703944        Value out of

Re: [gentoo-user] 1-Terabyte drives - 4K sector sizes? - bar performance so far

2010-02-09 Thread Mark Knecht
On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 9:38 AM, Stroller strol...@stellar.eclipse.co.uk wrote: SNIP IMO this is a fdisk bug. A feature should be added so that it tries to align optimally in most circumstances. RAID controllers should not be trying to do anything clever to accommodate potential misalignment

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge -avt xfce4-meta; haven't got startxfce4. Help, please!

2010-02-09 Thread Mark Knecht
On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote: Hi, Gentoo, The Subject: just about says it all; following the instructions in The Xfce Configuration Guide, I did    # emerge -avt xfce4-meta followed by    $ echo exec startxfce4 ~/.xinitrc followed by    $ startx.

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge older version

2010-02-09 Thread Laurent Kappler
Alex Schuster a écrit : Laurent Kappler writes: I'm tryin to emerge ImageMagick version 6.4.7.0 while current in portage is 6.5.7. How could I do that?? Look in the attic [*] for old ebuilds. Looks like 6.4.7.0 is not available, so maybe you will download 6.4.8.3 which is the

[gentoo-user] Re: revdep-rebuild keeps reinstalling binutils

2010-02-09 Thread walt
On 02/08/2010 10:27 PM, Konstantinos Bekiaris wrote: What do you have in /etc/env.d/gcc/? I have this: #ls -l /etc/env.d/gcc/ total 16 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 32 2010-02-08 11:53 config-i686-pc-linux-gnu -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 235 2009-01-29 12:33 i686-pc-linux-gnu-4.1.2

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge -avt xfce4-meta; haven't got startxfce4. Help, please!

2010-02-09 Thread Mark Knecht
firefly ~ # emerge -ep xfce4-meta | grep xfce | grep utils [ebuild R ] xfce-base/xfce-utils-4.6.1 firefly ~ # On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 10:36 AM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: SNIP firefly ~ # which startxfce4 /usr/bin/startxfce4 firefly ~ # equery belongs /usr/bin/startxfce4 [

Re: [gentoo-user] 1-Terabyte drives - 4K sector sizes? - bar performance so far

2010-02-09 Thread J. Roeleveld
On Tuesday 09 February 2010 19:25:00 Mark Knecht wrote: On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 9:38 AM, Stroller strol...@stellar.eclipse.co.uk wrote: SNIP IMO this is a fdisk bug. A feature should be added so that it tries to align optimally in most circumstances. RAID controllers should not be trying

Slow list? (was: Re: [gentoo-user] emerge older version)

2010-02-09 Thread Alex Schuster
Wow, seven mostly similar answers. Is the list becoming slow? When I posted about an hour after the question was posted, there were no answers yet. Let's see how long this post takes to arrive. Usually it's just a matter of a few minutes. Wonko

Re: [gentoo-user] 1-Terabyte drives - 4K sector sizes? - bar performance so far

2010-02-09 Thread J. Roeleveld
On Tuesday 09 February 2010 19:03:39 Neil Walker wrote: Hey guys, There seems to be a lot of confusion over this RAID thing. Hardware RAID does not use partitions. The entire drive is used (or, actually, the amount defined in setting up the array) and all I/O is handled by the BIOS on the

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge -avt xfce4-meta; haven't got startxfce4. Help, please!

2010-02-09 Thread dhk
Mark Knecht wrote: On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote: Hi, Gentoo, The Subject: just about says it all; following the instructions in The Xfce Configuration Guide, I did # emerge -avt xfce4-meta followed by $ echo exec startxfce4 ~/.xinitrc

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge older version

2010-02-09 Thread Laurent Kappler
Alex Schuster a écrit : Laurent Kappler writes: I'm tryin to emerge ImageMagick version 6.4.7.0 while current in portage is 6.5.7. How could I do that?? Look in the attic [*] for old ebuilds. Looks like 6.4.7.0 is not available, so maybe you will download 6.4.8.3 which is the

[gentoo-user] Re: Slow list?

2010-02-09 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 02/09/2010 09:32 PM, Alex Schuster wrote: Wow, seven mostly similar answers. Is the list becoming slow? When I posted about an hour after the question was posted, there were no answers yet. Let's see how long this post takes to arrive. Usually it's just a matter of a few minutes. I noticed

Re: [gentoo-user] 1-Terabyte drives - 4K sector sizes? - bar performance so far

2010-02-09 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 9 Feb 2010 17:17:48 +, Stroller wrote: only applies in the specific case that Paul Hartman is using Linux software RAID, not the general case of RAID in general. That's true, although in the Linux world I expect that the number of software RAID users far outnumbers the hardware

[gentoo-user] Re: emerge -avt xfce4-meta; haven't got startxfce4. Help, please!

2010-02-09 Thread Harry Putnam
Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com writes: Possibly you installed something other than xfce4-meta? firefly ~ # emerge -ep xfce4-meta | grep xfce | grep utils [ebuild R ] xfce-base/xfce-utils-4.6.1 firefly ~ # I'm just seconding fireflys' report. I suspect xfce4 expects you to be starting

Re: [gentoo-user] 1-Terabyte drives - 4K sector sizes? - bar performance so far

2010-02-09 Thread Frank Steinmetzger
Am Dienstag, 9. Februar 2010 schrieb Frank Steinmetzger: I have reset sdb7 to use boundaries divisible by 64. Old rangebegin%64 size%64 New rangebegin%64 size%64 813113973-976703804 0.82810.125813113984-976703935 0 0 And guess what - the speed of

Re: [gentoo-user] 1-Terabyte drives - 4K sector sizes? - bar performance so far

2010-02-09 Thread J. Roeleveld
On Tuesday 09 February 2010 22:13:39 Frank Steinmetzger wrote: snipped When I use parted on the drives, it says (both the old external and my 2 months old internal): Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/512B So no speedup for me then. :-/ That doesn't mean a thing, I'm afraid. I have the

Re: [gentoo-user] 1-Terabyte drives - 4K sector sizes? - bar performance so far

2010-02-09 Thread Mark Knecht
On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 1:13 PM, Frank Steinmetzger war...@gmx.de wrote: Am Dienstag, 9. Februar 2010 schrieb Frank Steinmetzger: I have reset sdb7 to use boundaries divisible by 64. Old range            begin%64  size%64  New range            begin%64 size%64 813113973-976703804  0.8281    

Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?

2010-02-09 Thread Dale
chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: On 2/9/2010 3:16 AM, Dale wrote: On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 21:17:08 -0500, Walter Dnes wrote: My solution to simplify Gentoo... waltd...@d531 ~ $ cat /etc/portage/package.mask sys-libs/pam sys-apps/dbus sys-apps/hal You'll have to

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge older version

2010-02-09 Thread Willie Wong
On Tue, Feb 09, 2010 at 08:39:45PM +0100, Laurent Kappler wrote: I'm using Haxe/Neko and we have a wrapper for ImageMagick, but as no one did really use it often the last version is made for IM 6.4.7. So I might download the ebuild 6.4.5 in a hurry, then we will update the Haxe library. I

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: emerge -avt xfce4-meta; haven't got startxfce4. Help, please!

2010-02-09 Thread dhk
Harry Putnam wrote: Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com writes: Possibly you installed something other than xfce4-meta? firefly ~ # emerge -ep xfce4-meta | grep xfce | grep utils [ebuild R ] xfce-base/xfce-utils-4.6.1 firefly ~ # I'm just seconding fireflys' report. I suspect xfce4

Re: [gentoo-user] 1-Terabyte drives - 4K sector sizes? - bar performance so far

2010-02-09 Thread Iain Buchanan
On Tue, 2010-02-09 at 08:47 +0100, J. Roeleveld wrote: I now only need to figure out the best way to configure LVM over this to get the best performance from it. Does anyone know of a decent way of figuring this out? I got 6 disks in Raid-5. why LVM? Planning on changing partition size

Re: [gentoo-user] 1-Terabyte drives - 4K sector sizes? - bar performance so far

2010-02-09 Thread Iain Buchanan
On Tue, 2010-02-09 at 13:34 +, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Tue, 9 Feb 2010 12:46:40 +, Stroller wrote: With the RAID, you could fail one disk, repartition, re-add it, rinse and repeat. But that doesn't take care of the time issue. Aren't you thinking of LVM, or something?

Re: [gentoo-user] 1-Terabyte drives - 4K sector sizes? - bar performance so far

2010-02-09 Thread Iain Buchanan
On Tue, 2010-02-09 at 20:37 +0100, J. Roeleveld wrote: Don't get me started on those ;) The reason I use Linux Software Raid is because: 1) I can't afford hardware raid adapters 2) It's generally faster then hardware fakeraid I'm starting to stray OT here, but I'm considering a second-hand

Re: [gentoo-user] 1-Terabyte drives - 4K sector sizes? - bar performance so far

2010-02-09 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Tuesday 09 February 2010 18:03:39 Neil Walker wrote: Be lucky, Neil How would I go about doing that? -- Rgds Peter.

Re: [gentoo-user] 1-Terabyte drives - 4K sector sizes? - bar performance so far

2010-02-09 Thread Iain Buchanan
On Tue, 2010-02-09 at 14:54 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 1:13 PM, Frank Steinmetzger war...@gmx.de wrote: When I use parted on the drives, it says (both the old external and my 2 months old internal): Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/512B So no speedup for me

Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?

2010-02-09 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Tuesday 09 February 2010 22:58:10 Dale wrote: So, hal may be progress to you but it is a step backward for me. It's the opposite of progress. Careful now, Dale. Watch that blood pressure... -- Rgds Peter.

Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?

2010-02-09 Thread Zeerak Waseem
On Tue, 09 Feb 2010 23:58:10 +0100, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: On 2/9/2010 3:16 AM, Dale wrote: On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 21:17:08 -0500, Walter Dnes wrote: My solution to simplify Gentoo... waltd...@d531 ~ $ cat

Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?

2010-02-09 Thread Dale
chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: On Tuesday 09 February 2010 22:58:10 Dale wrote: So, hal may be progress to you but it is a step backward for me. It's the opposite of progress. Careful now, Dale. Watch that blood pressure... Oh I'm fine. I

Re: [gentoo-user] 1-Terabyte drives - 4K sector sizes? - bar performance so far

2010-02-09 Thread Stroller
On 9 Feb 2010, at 23:52, Iain Buchanan wrote: ... I'm starting to stray OT here, but I'm considering a second-hand Adaptec 2420SA - this is real hardware raid right? Looks like it. Looks pretty nice, too. The affordable PCI / PCI-X 3wares don't do RAID6 - you have to go PCIe for that, I

Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?

2010-02-09 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Wednesday 10 February 2010 01:02:50 Dale wrote: Oh I'm fine. Thank Goodness! Now to go watch NCIS. I won't ask what that is; I think I'd rather not know. -- Rgds Peter.

Re: [gentoo-user] 1-Terabyte drives - 4K sector sizes? - bar performance so far

2010-02-09 Thread Mark Knecht
On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 4:31 PM, Iain Buchanan iai...@netspace.net.au wrote: On Tue, 2010-02-09 at 14:54 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 1:13 PM, Frank Steinmetzger war...@gmx.de wrote: When I use parted on the drives, it says (both the old external and my 2 months old

Re: [gentoo-user] 1-Terabyte drives - 4K sector sizes? - bar performance so far

2010-02-09 Thread Stroller
On 9 Feb 2010, at 19:37, J. Roeleveld wrote: ... Don't get me started on those ;) The reason I use Linux Software Raid is because: 1) I can't afford hardware raid adapters 2) It's generally faster then hardware fakeraid I'd rather have slow hardware RAID than fast software RAID. I'm not

Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?

2010-02-09 Thread Dale
chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: On Tue, 09 Feb 2010 23:58:10 +0100, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: On 2/9/2010 3:16 AM, Dale wrote: On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 21:17:08 -0500, Walter Dnes wrote:

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?

2010-02-09 Thread Zeerak Waseem
On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 02:18:54 +0100, Peter Humphrey pe...@humphrey.ukfsn.org wrote: On Wednesday 10 February 2010 01:02:50 Dale wrote: Oh I'm fine. Thank Goodness! Now to go watch NCIS. I won't ask what that is; I think I'd rather not know. NCIS = Naval Criminal Investigative

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?

2010-02-09 Thread Dale
chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 02:18:54 +0100, Peter Humphrey pe...@humphrey.ukfsn.org wrote: On Wednesday 10 February 2010 01:02:50 Dale wrote: Oh I'm fine. Thank Goodness! Now to go watch NCIS. I won't ask what that is; I think

[gentoo-user] Re: OT: How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?

2010-02-09 Thread walt
On 02/09/2010 06:30 PM, Dale wrote: With all the things I have to deal with, hal is not even on the top 25 or so. Heck, my puter doesn't even make that. You offer us a glimmer of hope, Dale. How did you push your computer problems below number 25? If it involves drugs, please publish a

Re: [gentoo-user] 1-Terabyte drives - 4K sector sizes? - bar performance so far

2010-02-09 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Mittwoch 10 Februar 2010, Iain Buchanan wrote: On Tue, 2010-02-09 at 13:34 +, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Tue, 9 Feb 2010 12:46:40 +, Stroller wrote: With the RAID, you could fail one disk, repartition, re-add it, rinse and repeat. But that doesn't take care of the time

Re: [gentoo-user] 1-Terabyte drives - 4K sector sizes? - bar performance so far

2010-02-09 Thread Neil Walker
Peter Humphrey wrote: On Tuesday 09 February 2010 18:03:39 Neil Walker wrote: Be lucky, Neil How would I go about doing that? Well, you need a rabbit's foot, a four leaf clover, a horseshoe (remember to keep the open end uppermost), a black cat, ;) Be lucky, Neil

Re: [gentoo-user] 1-Terabyte drives - 4K sector sizes? - bar performance so far

2010-02-09 Thread Neil Walker
Iain Buchanan wrote: I'm starting to stray OT here, but I'm considering a second-hand Adaptec 2420SA - this is real hardware raid right? It's a PCI-X card (not PCI-E). Are you sure that's right for your system? If I'm buying drives in the 1Tb size - does this 4k issue affect hardware

Re: [gentoo-user] 1-Terabyte drives - 4K sector sizes? - bar performance so far

2010-02-09 Thread Iain Buchanan
On Tue, 2010-02-09 at 17:27 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 4:31 PM, Iain Buchanan iai...@netspace.net.au wrote: On Tue, 2010-02-09 at 14:54 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: Frank, As best I can tell so far none of the Linux tools will tell you that the sectors are 4K. I had

Re: [gentoo-user] 1-Terabyte drives - 4K sector sizes? - bar performance so far

2010-02-09 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Wednesday 10 February 2010 01:22:31 Iain Buchanan wrote: On Tue, 2010-02-09 at 08:47 +0100, J. Roeleveld wrote: I now only need to figure out the best way to configure LVM over this to get the best performance from it. Does anyone know of a decent way of figuring this out? I got 6

Re: [gentoo-user] 1-Terabyte drives - 4K sector sizes? - bar performance so far

2010-02-09 Thread Iain Buchanan
On Wed, 2010-02-10 at 07:31 +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Mittwoch 10 Februar 2010, Iain Buchanan wrote: so long as you didn't have any non-detectable disk errors before removing the disk, or any drive failure while one of the drives were removed. And the deterioration in

Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?

2010-02-09 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Wednesday 10 February 2010 03:29:50 Dale wrote: Well, actually, if hal would have worked I wouldn't have cared if it uses xorg.conf at all. That was the point of using hal. Thing is, I followed the howto and it didn't work. The fact that the config files are in xml only became a