[gentoo-user] kernel: conftest segfault error 4 in libc-2.11.1.so

2010-04-28 Thread Helmut Jarausch
Hi,

after upgrading to glibc-1.22.1 I get this strange (non-fatal)
error message in my /var/log/messages.
Has anybody seen this as well or does anybody know where this
comes from?

Many thanks for a hint,
Helmut.

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[gentoo-user] bypassing CUPS - howto

2010-04-28 Thread Helmut Jarausch
Hi,

I'd like to bypass processing by CUPS and send some postscript/pdf file
directly to a USB / network printer.
Does anybody know how this can be achieved?

Many thanks for a hint,
Helmut.

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Lehrstuhl fuer Numerische Mathematik
RWTH - Aachen University
D 52056 Aachen, Germany



Re: [gentoo-user] Constraining X display resolutions

2010-04-28 Thread Mick
On 28 April 2010 06:35, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote:
 On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 11:02:53PM +0100, Mick wrote

 anything else but native resolution makes images and characters blurred.

  There is one exception to that general rule.  If you divide the X and/or
 Y dimensions by a whole number, the result may be blocky fonts, but at
 least there is no interpolation.  For a 1920x1080 screen, dimensions like

  960x1080   960x540   960x360
  640x1080   640x540   640x360
  480x1080   480x540   480x360

 would involve no interpolation.  Of the possibilities listed, the only
 sane ones are 960x1080, 960x540, 640x540, 640x360, and 480x360.  If you
 have a VGA input on the LCD monitor, and if you know the monitor's safe
 horizontal and vertical frequency ranges, you can go to a site like
 http://xtiming.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/xtiming.pl or
 http://amlc.berlios.de/ and generate custom modelines for the reduced
 sizes.  You may need doublescan for some of the smaller screens.

Hmm, that's all the choice that I have I'm afraid:

$ xrandr
Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1920 x 1080, maximum 1920 x 1920
VGA-0 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis)
HDMI-0 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis)
LVDS connected 1920x1080+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y
axis) 344mm x 193mm
   1920x1080  60.0*+
   1680x1050  60.0
   1400x1050  60.0
   1280x1024  59.9
   1440x900   59.9
   1280x960   59.9
   1280x854   59.9
   1280x800   59.8
   1280x720   59.9
   1152x768   59.8
   1024x768   59.9
   800x60059.9
   640x48059.4
DisplayPort-0 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis)

Anyway, I'm not the OP and I don't want to hijack the thread ... but
thanks all the same Walter. I didn't know about the xtiming page.
-- 
Regards,
Mick



Re: [gentoo-user] bypassing CUPS - howto

2010-04-28 Thread David W Noon
On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 13:10:02 +0200, Helmut Jarausch wrote about
[gentoo-user] bypassing CUPS - howto:

I'd like to bypass processing by CUPS and send some postscript/pdf file
directly to a USB / network printer.
Does anybody know how this can be achieved?

Why do you need to bypass CUPS?

If you have a raw print stream, just ensure you have
application/octet-stream enabled.  To do this, simply cd to /etc/cups
on the machine that owns the printer(s) and edit mime.convs and
mime.types.  You will easily see the octet-stream support near the
bottom of each of these files.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Constraining X display resolutions

2010-04-28 Thread Nils Larsson
måndag 26 april 2010 13:57:56 skrev  Peter Humphrey:
 Hello list,
 
 My monitor is 1600 x 1200 but I like to run it at 1400 x 1050 (anno
 domini etc.). So far, though, KDE 4 doesn't remember the resolution at
 shutdown so it restarts at 1600 x 1200. I have to go through the
 rigmarole of setting it again every time I log in. I have raised a bug
 report but I don't suppose it's very high on anyone's list.
 
 Meanwhile, is there an entry I can make in xorg.conf, or elsewhere, to
 force KDE to display just the single resolution, 1400 x 1050?

If you're using a kernel with kernel mode setting enabled you can add 
the video= parameter to the kernel command line in grub.cfg(or 
menu.lst). So if you set video=1400x1050, X will think that's the highest 
resolution it can set.



Re: [gentoo-user] bypassing CUPS - howto

2010-04-28 Thread Helmut Jarausch
On 28 Apr, David W Noon wrote:
 On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 13:10:02 +0200, Helmut Jarausch wrote about
 [gentoo-user] bypassing CUPS - howto:
 
I'd like to bypass processing by CUPS and send some postscript/pdf file
directly to a USB / network printer.
Does anybody know how this can be achieved?
 
 Why do you need to bypass CUPS?

Thanks, it's just for debugging.

Printing some pdf files with acroread makes some printers
hang here.
To locate the problem source, I'd like to check if the printer
works if it gets the postscript or pdf-file (there printer is assumed
to accept postscript level 3).

I hope to use pyusb to print to a USB printer. There is a new version
1.0.0a0 on sourceforge. 

Some of my network printers accept file submission via ftp.
But what for the other ones?

Helmut.

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D 52056 Aachen, Germany



Re: [gentoo-user] gnome login panel how to disable restart and shutdown buttons

2010-04-28 Thread Paul Hartman
On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 1:11 PM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote:
 Keep in mind that my incremental power costs right now are $0.42/KWH.
 For monthly costs I use 24*365/12 = 730 hours/month.

Wow, it is only $0.07 cents/kWh here (St Louis, Missouri, USA). The
electric company wants to raise rates and the general public is
violently opposed (as always). But it seems like we have it good!  The
highest electric bill I've ever had was $89 last summer when we had a
stretch of 100+ degree days... it's a real bargain but I still try to
do what I can to save power, not only because of money but because
it's The Right Thing To Do(tm).

Gentoo is surely not the most power-saving distro when you consider
the load that compiling generates, but there are some things I just
cannot compromise on. :)

They can double, triple, quadruple the electric rates and I'd still be
happy; when the power goes out during a storm, etc., I find myself
bored to death. Give me my electricity and give it to me now, please.
:)



Re: [gentoo-user] backup to a cold-swap drive

2010-04-28 Thread Florian Philipp
Am 28.04.2010 03:41, schrieb Iain Buchanan:
 Hi,
 
 A winblows colleague said he uses a utility to backup his internal hard
 drive to an external disk, such that if his internal disk fails he can
 replace it with the external disk and continue straight away.
 
 Since I go to weird locations with unreliable power and sometimes drop
 my laptop I thought it should be simple to do the same in Linux.  I have
 an external disk the same size, but now what?
 
   * I want to copy changes intelligently (ie. no dd, gparted, or
 Ghost4Linux).
   * I want to copy a specific device only (no usb keys, etc) to a
 specific external device.
   * Windows partitions can be ignored.
   * It doesn't matter if the copy is not unmounted properly, eg. if
 power is shut of without shutting down.
   * The external disk must be able to be absent
 
 Can md use one internal and one external disk in a RAID 1 setup, with
 the external disk not always there?  Any other suggestions?
 
 thanks :)

md would be extremely slow because it has to rebuild/resync the complete
array.

I suggest you manually recreate the partitioning scheme, install grub,
then mount it with some little script and call some backup tool to do
the actual copying.

If you can live with just one big partition as a backup (probably with
separate /boot), you should replace fstab and grub.conf on the backup
medium and blacklist them from the files which you want to back up.

Concerning the backup tool, I would use `rsync --delete` plus all
relevant switches for permissions, times, acls, etc. If you use another
tool, just make sure it doesn't put some metadata onto the backup medium
and that it can delete files which no longer exist on the original medium.

With regard to your requirement to just 'pull the cord' without
umounting it: Better mount it with '-o sync' to increase your chance
that everything works fine afterwards. But in reality, nothing can
really protect you from filesystem corruption in this situation. If you
can afford, better keep two backup media which you round-robin.

Hope this helps,
Florian Philipp



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Re: [gentoo-user] gnome login panel how to disable restart and shutdown buttons

2010-04-28 Thread Mark Knecht
On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 8:28 AM, Paul Hartman
paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 1:11 PM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote:
 Keep in mind that my incremental power costs right now are $0.42/KWH.
 For monthly costs I use 24*365/12 = 730 hours/month.

 Wow, it is only $0.07 cents/kWh here (St Louis, Missouri, USA). The
 electric company wants to raise rates and the general public is
 violently opposed (as always). But it seems like we have it good!  The
 highest electric bill I've ever had was $89 last summer when we had a
 stretch of 100+ degree days... it's a real bargain but I still try to
 do what I can to save power, not only because of money but because
 it's The Right Thing To Do(tm).

 Gentoo is surely not the most power-saving distro when you consider
 the load that compiling generates, but there are some things I just
 cannot compromise on. :)

 They can double, triple, quadruple the electric rates and I'd still be
 happy; when the power goes out during a storm, etc., I find myself
 bored to death. Give me my electricity and give it to me now, please.
 :)



Well, power costs more in pretty, clean California, but not that much
more. I did say 'incremental' cost but I'm sure it wasn't that clear.

We're tiered here with prices in this email rounded to the nearest penny:

Up to 201 KWH @ $0.12 = $24.12
Up to 60 KWH @ $0.14 = $8.40
Up to 141 KWH @ $0.28 = $39.48
Up to 300 KWH @ $0.42 = $126

Prices go up pretty fast. We're 10% or more of the nation so there's a
big value to reducing our consumption so they raise prices pretty
hard.

My incremental comment means that other stuff in this house uses the
first 302 KWH each month and using or saving power on my office adds
or removes cost at $0.42/KWH. This last couple of months I've managed
to get down to 75 KWH in tier 4 so my actual costs in that tier were
about $31. If I could get to the middle of tier 3 then it would be
about a $50/month savings.

Cheers,
Mark



Re: [gentoo-user] Updates = slow firefox

2010-04-28 Thread Grant
Strangely, now my laptop's brightness adjustment doesn't work via 
the
keyboard shortcuts.  Any ideas on that?
   
- Grant
   
Please share the beast model :P (or maybe ive missed it).
in kernel config You have multiple option for backlight eg. for 
thinkpad
there is extra one in thinkpad specific acpi maybe You have 
something
similar for Yours stuff.
  
   It's a Dell Vostro 1320.  The keyboard shortcuts to change brightness
   were working great until I enabled DRM in the kernel.  Can you tell me
   where in the kernel those options can be found, or part of the
   variable name that defines them?
  
   Try running xev and punching brightness keys, if you would see
   effects (some text in terminal) then its OK :P You should change the
   Acpi configs (etc/acpi/) or Gnome/KDE/Xfce/... bindings.
 
  I do see text in xev when pressing the brightness keys.
 
   (if You dont know it already)
   For acpi config You'll need event id try running acpi_listen.
   eg. /etc/acpi/events/sleep:
   event=ibm/hotkey HKEY 0080 1004
   action=/etc/acpi/actions/sleep.sh
  
   and into actions you put scripts, try using xbacklight.
 
  You think I should use xbacklight or similar even though it was
  working on its own before?
 
  - Grant
 
 
   If You wouldn't have any reaction in xev and acpi_listen i check the
   option in kernel.
 
  I think that its better to have things done even if would be around then
  dont done it at all. :)

 Yes but I think I should find the built-in mechanism which was
 allowing it to work before instead of writing my own script to make it
 work.  Don't you think so?

 - Grant

 Try built in Gnome\Kde\Xfce(etc) bindings i had some troubles (in xfce)
 - keys with names XF86* starts to randomly changes names or disappear
 from configs ... maybe its Your case too.
 --
 Bartosz Szatkowski

Got it, thank you for your help with this.  I used xbacklight along
with the xfce4 keyboard shortcut GUI settings.  My backlight
adjustment keystrokes are displayed as XF86MonBrightnessUp and *Down
in those settings, so there must have been a mechanism adjusting the
backlight based on that before I updated Xorg.  Here are my xbacklight
commands:

xbacklight -inc 15 -steps 1 -time 0
xbacklight -dec 10 -steps 1 -time 0

Thanks again,
Grant



Re: [gentoo-user] ATT DSL + Westell modem/router = Gentoo woes

2010-04-28 Thread Grant
  I am not familiar with the modem in question, but if you are using your
  own router the modem should be set up in fully bridged mode and the PPPoE
  authentication will be managed by your Gentoo router.

 Thanks Mick.  The Westell does have an option to take PPPoE off of the
 device and I'd like to set that up soon.

 Right, without the PPPoE disabled the modem operates in a half-bridged mode
 (essentially it is a router running dhcp and 1:1 NAT).  I would disable NAT,
 dhcp and PPPoE on the modem so that it is in fully-bridged mode and then see
 if the problem is resolved. Your symptoms are typical of a half-bridged router
 and a dynamic IP address from the ISP.  Usually, the client on the LAN does
 not know when the ISP's WAN side IP address has changed and will not pick up
 the new address until the dhcp lease on the client has expired.  To overcome
 this botched implementation the half-bridged modem has a short lease. This
 doesn't always work, as I suspect is the case here.

 HTH.
 --
 Regards,
 Mick

Thank you Mick, I'm going to set that up ASAP.

- Grant



[gentoo-user] Print server with hplip

2010-04-28 Thread Grant
I've been using a print and scan server with an Epson printer/scanner
for a long time.  I'm trying to set up the same thing with an HP and
I've got everything working except remote printing.  Local printing,
local scanning and remote scanning work, but not remote printing.  I
have the client's IP in /etc/cups/cupsd.conf and the server's IP in
/etc/cups/client.conf but the client won't pick up the server's HP for
printing.

Could there be any extra configuration required for remote printing
when switching from gutenprint (I think) to hplip?  I had to add saned
to the lp group on the server before I could get remote scanning to
work (not required with the Epson), and I'm wondering if there could
be a similar detail I'm overlooking with remote printing.

- Grant



[gentoo-user] Multiple serial ports

2010-04-28 Thread Graham Murray
What is the current recommendation for handling multiple serial ports on
a Gentoo server? In $dayjob we used to use Perl SX cards but recent
kernels have marked the driver for these as 'broken'[1]. We have tried
Digi Etherlite with the dgrp driver, but have had problems with write(2)
blocking forever (despite being preceded by a select(2) call which
indicates the file handle to be writable.

[1] As it depends on a no-longer supported and buggy facility in the tty
code. 



Re: [gentoo-user] emerge -e system - output info/errors to log

2010-04-28 Thread Tanstaafl
On 2010-04-18 1:56 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote:
 Understand what the gcc upgrade guide is:
 
 a quick simple guide for user who don't know tool chains inside out, that 
 give 
 the minimal sequence of commands that is GUARANTEED to NOT leave the user in 
 the lurch. It's not the minimum possible sequence of commands to do the 
 upgrade, because most users don't know how to tell the difference. Here's the 
 logic:
 
 If we imply that you should merge -e world with a gcc upgrade, my inbox will 
 not fill with bugs from users who don't know the inner guts of the toolchain.
 
 The Guide is not the best possible guide that can be. It is the guide that 
 causes the least support questions from users.

This is the second time that someone has said something like this with
respect to the official Gentoo Guides (the other was the kernel upgrade
guide, and its recommendation to use ''make menuconfig instead of 'make
oldconfig')...

It would be nice if there were a formal/official place to find 'Advanced
User Guides'... ;)

-- 

Charles



Re: [gentoo-user] emerge -e system - output info/errors to log

2010-04-28 Thread Tanstaafl
On 2010-04-18 2:05 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote:
 My preferred approach is to add mail to PORTAGE_ELOG_SYSTEM to get
 each elog message mailed to me. That's still separate message, but I
 think that's better as I can mark each one read as I've actioned it,
 leaving me with a clear list of what's left to check or do.

Perfect, thanks Neil...

-- 

Charles



Re: [gentoo-user] emerge -e system - output info/errors to log

2010-04-28 Thread Dale

Tanstaafl wrote:

On 2010-04-18 1:56 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote:
   

Understand what the gcc upgrade guide is:

a quick simple guide for user who don't know tool chains inside out, that give
the minimal sequence of commands that is GUARANTEED to NOT leave the user in
the lurch. It's not the minimum possible sequence of commands to do the
upgrade, because most users don't know how to tell the difference. Here's the
logic:

If we imply that you should merge -e world with a gcc upgrade, my inbox will
not fill with bugs from users who don't know the inner guts of the toolchain.

The Guide is not the best possible guide that can be. It is the guide that
causes the least support questions from users.
 

This is the second time that someone has said something like this with
respect to the official Gentoo Guides (the other was the kernel upgrade
guide, and its recommendation to use ''make menuconfig instead of 'make
oldconfig')...

It would be nice if there were a formal/official place to find 'Advanced
User Guides'... ;)

   


I think that is where this mailing list comes in.  Here, you can say 
what you have, what you want in the end then someone can tell you a way 
to get there.  Usually, you will get more than one way and have to pick 
your poison.  I agree with what Alan said tho. The guides have to be a 
work every time for every one that reads it.


Dale

:-)  :-)



Re: [gentoo-user] backup to a cold-swap drive

2010-04-28 Thread Frank Steinmetzger
Am Mittwoch, 28. April 2010 schrieb Iain Buchanan:
 Hi,
 
 A winblows colleague said he uses a utility to backup his internal hard
 drive to an external disk, such that if his internal disk fails he can
 replace it with the external disk and continue straight away.
 
 Since I go to weird locations with unreliable power and sometimes drop
 my laptop I thought it should be simple to do the same in Linux.  I have
 an external disk the same size, but now what?
 
   * I want to copy changes intelligently (ie. no dd, gparted, or
 Ghost4Linux).
   * I want to copy a specific device only (no usb keys, etc) to a
 specific external device.
   * Windows partitions can be ignored.
   * It doesn't matter if the copy is not unmounted properly, eg. if
 power is shut of without shutting down.
   * The external disk must be able to be absent
 
 Can md use one internal and one external disk in a RAID 1 setup, with
 the external disk not always there?  Any other suggestions?

After I upgraded my laptop with an internal HDD of 500 GB, I started using my 
old external 500 GB drive as backup. Though of different dimensions and 
makers, they both have the same number of sectors. So I dd'ed the entire disk 
first, which gave me an exact mirror of the internal disk. I though this would 
be faster, because I have lots of small files in some places.

But now I can update the backup by a simple call to rsync:

rsync -aX --delete / /dev/backup root partition/

-a (archive) copies permissions, ownerships and the likes
-X stops at file system boundaries, i.e. it will only backup the actual root 
partition, without other mounted file systems such as /proc, /dev and /home.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Constraining X display resolutions

2010-04-28 Thread Frank Steinmetzger
Am Mittwoch, 28. April 2010 schrieb Mick:

   However, Linux GUIs are very good at geometric upscaling, so I suggest
   increasing font and icon sizes.
  
  I'll try that anyway; it may give me a better compromise. Thanks.
 
 I've had the same problem on a high resolution (1920x1080), small size
 screen (15.6).  The characters are tiny and anything else but native
 resolution makes images and characters blurred.  The solution was to
 increase the font size on the terminals and KDE apps.  However, I don't
 know how to make the characters in the Firefox menus and body larger.  Am
 I supposed to run gconftool-2 with some esoteric options?

There's a package that lets GTK apps look like KDE apps, including font, 
called kcm_gtk. It adds a page to System settings under
Appearance-Appearance called GTK styles and fonts.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Constraining X display resolutions

2010-04-28 Thread Håkon Alstadheim

Frank Steinmetzger skrev:

Am Mittwoch, 28. April 2010 schrieb Mick:

  

However, Linux GUIs are very good at geometric upscaling, so I suggest
increasing font and icon sizes.


I'll try that anyway; it may give me a better compromise. Thanks.
  

I've had the same problem on a high resolution (1920x1080), small size
screen (15.6).  The characters are tiny and anything else but native
resolution makes images and characters blurred.  The solution was to
increase the font size on the terminals and KDE apps.  However, I don't
know how to make the characters in the Firefox menus and body larger.  Am
I supposed to run gconftool-2 with some esoteric options?



There's a package that lets GTK apps look like KDE apps, including font, 
called kcm_gtk. It adds a page to System settings under

Appearance-Appearance called GTK styles and fonts.
  


Running fluxbox myself, but the idea should work across desktops: use 
xrandr and lie to X about the physical  size of your screen. On my TV I 
run xrandr first once without arguments to get the actual size, dive the 
sizes by two and run xrandr like so: xrandr --fbmm 443x247. This is a 
32 16:9 TV. Stick this last bit somewhere early in your login-sequence. 
Works beautifylly.





Re: [gentoo-user] backup to a cold-swap drive

2010-04-28 Thread Iain Buchanan
Hi  thanks,

On Wed, 2010-04-28 at 17:31 +0200, Florian Philipp wrote:

  Can md use one internal and one external disk in a RAID 1 setup, with
  the external disk not always there?  Any other suggestions?
  
  thanks :)
 
 md would be extremely slow because it has to rebuild/resync the complete
 array.

so every time you unplug and re-plug the external disk, it will
essentially re-copy everything?  Damn, there goes that fine idea!

 If you can live with just one big partition as a backup (probably with
 separate /boot), you should replace fstab and grub.conf on the backup
 medium and blacklist them from the files which you want to back up.

why wouldn't I backup fstab and grub.conf as well?  If my internal disk
dies, I assume I'll swap them over, meaning grub and fstab will have to
be the same.

 Concerning the backup tool, I would use `rsync --delete` plus all
 relevant switches for permissions, times, acls, etc. If you use another
 tool, just make sure it doesn't put some metadata onto the backup medium
 and that it can delete files which no longer exist on the original medium.

I was thinking of rsync, but I didn't want to do it in an hourly cron
fashion, I was hoping for some gamin alteration-triggered idea.

 With regard to your requirement to just 'pull the cord' without
 umounting it:

I wasn't thinking of pulling the chord without unmounting, I was
thinking of the machine dying, hence leaving the disk in a non-shutdown
state.

thanks for the tips :)  rsync will at least get me going quickly.
Yesterday I tried iotop to with dd - some slowness but otherwise quite
nice.

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Real computer scientists don't comment their code.  The identifiers are
so long they can't afford the disk space.




Re: [gentoo-user] backup to a cold-swap drive

2010-04-28 Thread Iain Buchanan
Hi,

On Wed, 2010-04-28 at 23:16 +0200, Frank Steinmetzger wrote:

 After I upgraded my laptop with an internal HDD of 500 GB, I started using my 
 old external 500 GB drive as backup. Though of different dimensions and 
 makers, they both have the same number of sectors. So I dd'ed the entire disk 
 first, which gave me an exact mirror of the internal disk. I though this 
 would 
 be faster, because I have lots of small files in some places.

I tried that, but after dd finished, I was left with strange partitions
and id's that I couldn't mount.  The two disks are both 160Gb with the
same sector size...

It might be easier to do the fdisk-ing by hand.

thanks,
-- 
Iain Buchanan iaindb at netspace dot net dot au

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom.
It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.
-- William Pitt, 1783




Re: [gentoo-user] backup to a cold-swap drive

2010-04-28 Thread Iain Buchanan
On Wed, 2010-04-28 at 23:16 +0200, Frank Steinmetzger wrote:

 rsync -aX --delete / /dev/backup root partition/
 
 -a (archive) copies permissions, ownerships and the likes
 -X stops at file system boundaries, i.e. it will only backup the actual root 
 partition, without other mounted file systems such as /proc, /dev and /home.

actually, lower case x is --one-file-system or don't cross filesystem
boundaries.  Upper case X is --xattrs or preserve extended attributes

:)
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When you don't know what to do, walk fast and look worried.