[gentoo-user] How to record memory usage bandwidth usage?
The head honcho of my company just asked me to plan for migration of X into the cloud (where X is the online trading server that our investors used). Now, I need to monitor how much RAM is used throughout the day by X, also how much bandwidth gets eaten by X throughout the day. What tools do you recommend? Remember: The data will be used for 'post-mortem' analysis, so I don't need any fancy schmancy presentation. Just raw data, taken every N seconds. Rgds, -- FdS Pandu E Poluan ~ IT Optimizer ~ • LOPSA Member #15248 • Blog : http://pepoluan.tumblr.com • Linked-In : http://id.linkedin.com/in/pepoluan
Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} Computers and mental/emotional health
On Tuesday 11 Oct 2011 02:39:10 Michael Mol wrote: As far as food goes, for me, it's really not the kind of food, but how much of it I eat. First step is to eat smaller portions, so that my stomach shrinks and I feel fuller sooner. Calories are not all the same, because we metabolise them more or less efficiently and therefore there's more energy left to store. Nevertheless, all things being equal smaller portions are the single most effective way of gradually and healthily reducing your body fat. Many of the eat only this, or only that, diets do not provide a balanced nutrition in the long(er) run, although they may offer less efficient (from a metabolic perspective) calories. Less food over a year or so produces longer lasting results - use smaller plates and you'll get there. When combined with exercise the loss is of course accelerated, especially as muscle mass increases (muscle has higher metabolic resting rate and you burn energy while you sleep! ) Now, given that we talk about diets here, what I need is to find a popular dieters' M/L in usenet to post for help with setting up systemd or ipv6 through ipv4 for my home network and then sit back and watch their faces in amusement! :)) -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] automount USB
On Mon, 10 Oct 2011 23:44:00 +0200, Michal Halenka wrote: I am looking fow a way, how to automount USB disks (or CD) by normal user. I find many ways (udev, hal, policykit, udisks, autofs), but I am just ordinary user, so I don´t know which one is deprecated (hal?), which one is easy to use, and so one. Can you pass me some not-deprecated web page with manual, hoto realize this? You don't say which DE you use, most implement this themselves. I would like to use something, which automatically mount PEN drives (ext3,ntfs,fat,...) or CD, and which allow me to unmount it with simple command without superuser permission. (I have root acess, but It's annoying to use it every time) The best would be to mount it into /media/LABEL. pmount/pumount are good for mounting and unmounting drives as a normal user. This is often the program used by automounters anyway. If defaults to mounting at /media/label. -- Neil Bothwick Do you steal taglines too? signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Cups and Ricoh Aficio 270
On Tuesday 11 Oct 2011 06:16:14 Willie Matthews wrote: On Mon Oct 10 18:32:13 2011, Nilesh Govindarajan wrote: On Tue 11 Oct 2011 01:13:41 AM IST, Mick wrote: I'm struggling to get anything printed properly - is there a proper driver for this printer in CUPS. The driver I've chosen seems to distort everything (like a page of A4 text comes out as a black spot 3px high and 2 wide! ) I've selected AppSocket/HP JetDirect and then since no Ricoh driver showed up I selected Make:Generic and Driver:Generic PCL Laser Printer (en). The reason I've chosen AppSocket/HP JetDirect is because nmap returned this protocol when I scanned the printer. Choosing ipp, or http, lpd was not successful either. However, this AppSocket/HP JetDirect protocol with the Generic driver gives the broken printing I've described above. Selecting the Generic PostScript Printer (en) it prints pages and pages with ascii or screwed up characters when I try a test page. Any suggestions? I don't know about this printer, have you checked the printer compatibility list? (openprinting.org I guess). See how good is your printer supported. I've been getting this error when I tried to access it before I posted here: This site is down for maintenance. We will be restoring service shortly. Thank you for your patience. That printer supports postscript file format only. http://support.ricoh.com/connectivity/cgi-bin/ctlpage.cgi?soft=unixfilterc r=ravers=3000 Thanks, I tried to set postscript as a driver, but it printed like 20 blank pages when I sent a test print to it. :( I have a suspicion it will deal with simple text, but perhaps not graphics. Better find an HP printer to print what I need today. ;-) -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] How to record memory usage bandwidth usage?
On Tuesday 11 Oct 2011 10:48:31 Pandu Poluan wrote: The head honcho of my company just asked me to plan for migration of X into the cloud (where X is the online trading server that our investors used). Now, I need to monitor how much RAM is used throughout the day by X, also how much bandwidth gets eaten by X throughout the day. What tools do you recommend? Remember: The data will be used for 'post-mortem' analysis, so I don't need any fancy schmancy presentation. Just raw data, taken every N seconds. I have used mrtg and nagios to capture and monitor both, but you'll have to install and configure them. If you're good with perl or python, then some simple script should be able to capture such values and record on a flat file, or even a database. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] How to record memory usage bandwidth usage?
Pandu, Any modern monitoring framework/server with a web interface will have tools to select metrics to retrieve and store into a database and display/graph/alert as needed using whatever reasonable collection interval you define. If your metrics are relatively simple, you should be able to get a solution implemented rather quickly without having to write any of your own code and the overhead/resources needed on your server would just be proportional to the number of metrics collected and their frequency. My current monitoring tool of choice is zabbix, but there are many options. Matt On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 3:21 AM, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday 11 Oct 2011 10:48:31 Pandu Poluan wrote: The head honcho of my company just asked me to plan for migration of X into the cloud (where X is the online trading server that our investors used). Now, I need to monitor how much RAM is used throughout the day by X, also how much bandwidth gets eaten by X throughout the day. What tools do you recommend? Remember: The data will be used for 'post-mortem' analysis, so I don't need any fancy schmancy presentation. Just raw data, taken every N seconds. I have used mrtg and nagios to capture and monitor both, but you'll have to install and configure them. If you're good with perl or python, then some simple script should be able to capture such values and record on a flat file, or even a database. -- Regards, Mick -- Matthew Marlowe m...@professionalsysadmin.com Senior Internet Infrastructure Consultant DevOps/VMware/SysAdmin https://www.twitter.com/deploylinux Gentoo Linux Dev Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. -- C.S. Lewis
Re: [gentoo-user] 回复： [gentoo-user] Anyone can afford information about build kernel?
hey guys, please don't get me wrong on this one, i mean no offense. can anyone explain to me what this is? are these lavender threads some kind of trolling i don't get? it (apparently on purpose, since hints in that direction are ignored) combines loads of annoying qualities: - nondescriptive titles - doing everything to rip apart threads: no In-Reply-To and even subject changes - no line-breaks - difficult to read incorrect punctuation (plenk) - problem details are kept nebulous and info requests are ignored - none of the proposed solutions are ever tried or commented it's nice how much many people on this this list are willing to help in spite of all this. but am i really the only one who finds the behavior described above at least confusing? anyway, i'm quite convinced it is fake. /jonas Am Sun, 9 Oct 2011 21:44:28 +0800 schrieb Lavender 448463...@qq.com: Thank you all ! Thanks for helping , now I know which things I should do . -- 原始邮件 -- 发件人: Michael Molmike...@gmail.com; 发送时间: 2011年10月9日(星期天) 晚上9:40 收件人: gentoo-usergentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org; 主题: Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone can afford information about build kernel? On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 9:30 AM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 12:53 AM, Lavender 448463...@qq.com wrote: Yeah, your reply is exact what I mean , but I'm really confused by those modules' names, I can't find any contact between the hard device name and its module name . For example, there is a module named 3c59x.ko , I totally don't know what device it present for , This got a *lot* easier back when sysfs was added. cd /sys/module/modulename/drivers/ And go from there lspci will help you see the 'text' name for the device in question. For example, let's say I don't know what the 'ahci' module is for. $ cd /sys/module/ahci/drivers $ ls pci:ahci $ cd pci\:ahci/ $ ls :00:11.0 bind module new_id remove_id uevent unbind $ sudo lspci|grep 11.0 00:11.0 SATA controller: ATI Technologies Inc SB700/SB800 SATA Controller [AHCI mode] $ So now I know the ahci module manages my SATA controller. Came up with something possibly a little handier. This command should tell you what driver is associated with every device on the system. find /sys/devices -name driver -print0|xargs -0 ls -l|cut -d' ' -f10-|sed -e 's/\.\.\///g' Output could probably still be a bit better cleaned up, but it should help.
this is spam (was: Re: [gentoo-user] 回复： [gentoo-user] Anyone can afford information about build kernel?)
Am Tue, 11 Oct 2011 13:03:27 +0200 schrieb Jonas de Buhr jonas.de.b...@gmx.net: it's nice how much many people on this this list are willing to help in spite of all this. but am i really the only one who finds the behavior described above at least confusing? anyway, i'm quite convinced it is fake. no, apparently i am not the only one thinking that: http://www.stopforumspam.com/ipcheck/58.243.95.123 /jonas Am Sun, 9 Oct 2011 21:44:28 +0800 schrieb Lavender 448463...@qq.com: Thank you all ! Thanks for helping , now I know which things I should do . -- 原始邮件 -- 发件人: Michael Molmike...@gmail.com; 发送时间: 2011年10月9日(星期天) 晚上9:40 收件人: gentoo-usergentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org; 主题: Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone can afford information about build kernel? On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 9:30 AM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 12:53 AM, Lavender 448463...@qq.com wrote: Yeah, your reply is exact what I mean , but I'm really confused by those modules' names, I can't find any contact between the hard device name and its module name . For example, there is a module named 3c59x.ko , I totally don't know what device it present for , This got a *lot* easier back when sysfs was added. cd /sys/module/modulename/drivers/ And go from there lspci will help you see the 'text' name for the device in question. For example, let's say I don't know what the 'ahci' module is for. $ cd /sys/module/ahci/drivers $ ls pci:ahci $ cd pci\:ahci/ $ ls :00:11.0 bind module new_id remove_id uevent unbind $ sudo lspci|grep 11.0 00:11.0 SATA controller: ATI Technologies Inc SB700/SB800 SATA Controller [AHCI mode] $ So now I know the ahci module manages my SATA controller. Came up with something possibly a little handier. This command should tell you what driver is associated with every device on the system. find /sys/devices -name driver -print0|xargs -0 ls -l|cut -d' ' -f10-|sed -e 's/\.\.\///g' Output could probably still be a bit better cleaned up, but it should help.
Re: this is spam (was: Re: [gentoo-user] 回复： [gentoo-user] Anyone can afford information about build kernel?)
On Tuesday 11 Oct 2011 12:51:12 Jonas de Buhr wrote: Am Tue, 11 Oct 2011 13:03:27 +0200 schrieb Jonas de Buhr jonas.de.b...@gmx.net: it's nice how much many people on this this list are willing to help in spite of all this. but am i really the only one who finds the behavior described above at least confusing? anyway, i'm quite convinced it is fake. no, apparently i am not the only one thinking that: http://www.stopforumspam.com/ipcheck/58.243.95.123 Interesting! Well, the broken English is not an insurmountable problem as long as we understand the question asked. Not everyone is blessed with good knowledge of the English language. The questions seem genuine, so it may help the OP or others that have similar problems. The lack of netiqutte, well ... if I only I had a penny for every time that we have collectively or singularly asked people to respect it. ;-) Now, if as you say it is indeed spam, what escapes me is why would someone spam the list in this manner? It doesn't make sense. So I am led to believe that the peculiarities you mention are probably a cultural (or personal) issue. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
[gentoo-user] Re: [gentoo-user] 回复： [gentoo-user] Anyone can afford information about build kernel?
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 7:03 AM, Jonas de Buhr jonas.de.b...@gmx.net wrote: hey guys, please don't get me wrong on this one, i mean no offense. can anyone explain to me what this is? are these lavender threads some kind of trolling i don't get? it (apparently on purpose, since hints in that direction are ignored) combines loads of annoying qualities: - nondescriptive titles - doing everything to rip apart threads: no In-Reply-To and even subject changes - no line-breaks - difficult to read incorrect punctuation (plenk) - problem details are kept nebulous and info requests are ignored - none of the proposed solutions are ever tried or commented To me, the Lavender's messages read like someone is going through an automated translation tool to get between English and their native language. (In this case, Chinese) Anyone can afford ... ? sounds like bad forced translation between semantic idioms. Anyone can afford information about build kernel Can anyone afford information about build kernel Can anyone spend time helping about build kernel Can anyone spend time helping me build my kernel That explains the punctuation (poor translation tool(!)) and nebulous requests. His responses indicated he was reading what had been sent in reply. His first reply and his second reply were closely related, and when commands were offered that allowed him to find the exact information he needed, he gave his third reply indicating he had what he needed. I'm using GMail as my email client, and threading and subject lines showed intact for me until your this is spam message following the one I'm replying to. As for line endings, I can think of two possible reasons. The first (and, I suspect, more likely) would be that Lavender is using an email gateway that automatically translates between English and Chinese, and the email gateway did not implement line wrapping (or did so poorly). The second might be that Chinese email clients, frequently operating with an ideogram langauge, don't need to line-wrap so frequently, so Lavender's email client might be buggy in that regard. it's nice how much many people on this this list are willing to help in spite of all this. but am i really the only one who finds the behavior described above at least confusing? anyway, i'm quite convinced it is fake. I have no reason to believe it's fake. I'm reasonably sure it was machine-processed, but I expect there was a human at the far end. -- :wq
Re: [gentoo-user] automount USB
...The answer may have a lot to do with what GUI you use. Do you use KDE, Gnome, Fluxbox or something else? Once that is known, then help will come along. Dale :-) :-) Hi, I am using awesome WM, /usr/bin/startx. I am using some GTK apps, and some Qt apps.
Re: this is spam (was: Re: [gentoo-user] 回复： [gentoo-user] Anyone can afford information about build kernel?)
Am Tue, 11 Oct 2011 13:54:06 +0100 schrieb Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com: On Tuesday 11 Oct 2011 12:51:12 Jonas de Buhr wrote: Am Tue, 11 Oct 2011 13:03:27 +0200 schrieb Jonas de Buhr jonas.de.b...@gmx.net: it's nice how much many people on this this list are willing to help in spite of all this. but am i really the only one who finds the behavior described above at least confusing? anyway, i'm quite convinced it is fake. no, apparently i am not the only one thinking that: http://www.stopforumspam.com/ipcheck/58.243.95.123 Interesting! Well, the broken English is not an insurmountable problem as long as we understand the question asked. Not everyone is blessed with good knowledge of the English language. i totally agree to that given any effort on the other end i would do my best to help as well. The questions seem genuine, so it may help the OP or others that have similar problems. right, the replies probably gave the thread some value ;) but there was *no* reaction at all to the proposed solutions, hints and info requests. why ask for help if you don't even try the suggestions? it takes you about ten minutes of reading this list to realize that the usual way of solving problems is a cycle of i am trying to do X and receive error Y-hey, try Z-oh, now A happens-try B too etc. Now, if as you say it is indeed spam, what escapes me is why would someone spam the list in this manner? It doesn't make sense. my point exactly! i don't get it - this intially led me to post this comment in the first place. what really points into the direction of spam in my opinion is using the different names mentioned of stopforumspam. and that others went as far as reporting it. So I am led to believe that the peculiarities you mention are probably a cultural (or personal) issue. possible. but what makes it even more confusing is that this doesn't go well with my experience of chinese people having a hard time with english (i can't really put my finger on it, but it doesn't feel right) and how they react to hey, you're doing X wrong, thats rude. not meaning to stereotype, it just made it more suspicious.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [gentoo-user] 回复： [gentoo-user] Anyone can afford information about build kernel?
Am Tue, 11 Oct 2011 08:54:37 -0400 schrieb Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com: On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 7:03 AM, Jonas de Buhr jonas.de.b...@gmx.net wrote: hey guys, please don't get me wrong on this one, i mean no offense. can anyone explain to me what this is? are these lavender threads some kind of trolling i don't get? it (apparently on purpose, since hints in that direction are ignored) combines loads of annoying qualities: - nondescriptive titles - doing everything to rip apart threads: no In-Reply-To and even subject changes - no line-breaks - difficult to read incorrect punctuation (plenk) - problem details are kept nebulous and info requests are ignored - none of the proposed solutions are ever tried or commented To me, the Lavender's messages read like someone is going through an automated translation tool to get between English and their native language. (In this case, Chinese) Anyone can afford ... ? sounds like bad forced translation between semantic idioms. Anyone can afford information about build kernel Can anyone afford information about build kernel Can anyone spend time helping about build kernel Can anyone spend time helping me build my kernel That explains the punctuation (poor translation tool(!)) and nebulous requests. His responses indicated he was reading what had been sent in reply. His first reply and his second reply were closely related, and when commands were offered that allowed him to find the exact information he needed, he gave his third reply indicating he had what he needed. I'm using GMail as my email client, and threading and subject lines showed intact for me until your this is spam message following the one I'm replying to. interesting, so gmail is aware of the chinese equivalent of Re (回复) but doesn't use the In-Reply-To: header correctly? As for line endings, I can think of two possible reasons. The first (and, I suspect, more likely) would be that Lavender is using an email gateway that automatically translates between English and Chinese, and the email gateway did not implement line wrapping (or did so poorly). The second might be that Chinese email clients, frequently operating with an ideogram langauge, don't need to line-wrap so frequently, so Lavender's email client might be buggy in that regard. it's nice how much many people on this this list are willing to help in spite of all this. but am i really the only one who finds the behavior described above at least confusing? anyway, i'm quite convinced it is fake. I have no reason to believe it's fake. I'm reasonably sure it was machine-processed, but I expect there was a human at the far end. i agree that there is definitely a human at the other end. you raise some good points. the automated translation might even trigger automated entries in the spam database. but why use three names at the same time? still there might be an explanation for it. as said before i meant no offense. im not 100% convinced, but your explanation sounds reasonable, let's not make a lengthy discussion out of it :) thx for your insightful reply!
[gentoo-user] Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [gentoo-user] 回复： [gentoo-user] Anyone can afford information about build kernel?
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 11:38 AM, Jonas de Buhr jonas.de.b...@gmx.net wrote: Am Tue, 11 Oct 2011 08:54:37 -0400 schrieb Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com: On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 7:03 AM, Jonas de Buhr jonas.de.b...@gmx.net wrote: hey guys, please don't get me wrong on this one, i mean no offense. can anyone explain to me what this is? are these lavender threads some kind of trolling i don't get? it (apparently on purpose, since hints in that direction are ignored) combines loads of annoying qualities: - nondescriptive titles - doing everything to rip apart threads: no In-Reply-To and even subject changes - no line-breaks - difficult to read incorrect punctuation (plenk) - problem details are kept nebulous and info requests are ignored - none of the proposed solutions are ever tried or commented To me, the Lavender's messages read like someone is going through an automated translation tool to get between English and their native language. (In this case, Chinese) Anyone can afford ... ? sounds like bad forced translation between semantic idioms. Anyone can afford information about build kernel Can anyone afford information about build kernel Can anyone spend time helping about build kernel Can anyone spend time helping me build my kernel That explains the punctuation (poor translation tool(!)) and nebulous requests. His responses indicated he was reading what had been sent in reply. His first reply and his second reply were closely related, and when commands were offered that allowed him to find the exact information he needed, he gave his third reply indicating he had what he needed. I'm using GMail as my email client, and threading and subject lines showed intact for me until your this is spam message following the one I'm replying to. interesting, so gmail is aware of the chinese equivalent of Re (回复) but doesn't use the In-Reply-To: header correctly? The two replies I saw from him have these lines in their original headers: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone can afford information about build kernel? Subject: [gentoo-user] =?gbk?B?u9i4tKO6IFtnZW50b28tdXNlcl0gQW55b25lIGNh?= =?gbk?B?biBhZmZvcmQgaW5mb3JtYXRpb24gYWJvdXQgYnVp?= =?gbk?B?bGQga2VybmVsPw==?= So the second one definitely came through worse than the first, but (for whatever reason), GMail didn't signal a topic change. (Usually, it's pretty good about that) Maybe GMail was clever enough to pick up on something like X-Reply-Hash and tie it to a thread. Dunno. -- :wq
[gentoo-user] Re: tabbed x11-terms/rxvt-unicode
On Tuesday 11 October 2011, Peter Humphrey wrote: On Saturday 08 October 2011 19:43:53 Michael Orlitzky wrote: I'm going to start a bug-filing campaign against packages like this some day. The only description we ever get for use flag foo is 'enable support for foo', which doesn't tell you anything at all about how it affects a given package. I did file a bug a year or two ago about the almost uselessness of USE flag descriptions. It caused a flurry of activity in quite a few packages, but conspicuous silence in the rest. Needless to say, the activity soon died away and the status quo resumed. Programmers are not writers of English, by and large. Do you remember the bug id? Cheers Francesco -- Linux Version 3.0.6-gentoo, Compiled #1 SMP PREEMPT Sat Oct 8 20:18:59 CEST 2011 Two 1GHz AMD Athlon 64 X2 Processors, 4GB RAM, 4019.26 Bogomips Total aemaeth
[gentoo-user] Re: tabbed x11-terms/rxvt-unicode
On Saturday 08 October 2011, Michael Orlitzky wrote: On 10/08/11 15:09, Francesco Talamona wrote: I'm not going to complain, though I'm willing to point out (e.g. commenting on relevant bug reports) that some packages are affected in a bad way by this move. Comment here? The devs are still CCed even though it's closed: https://bugs.gentoo.org/250179 To be honest I didn't look for a solution in b.g.o because it was straightforward; even if not so manifest for me the link between the perl flag and the ability for rxvt to run tabbed (given that it doesn't give an error). I don't want to be blunt, but your plan looks to me quite vague. My opinion is that some packages should have a different default. That bug is for adding IUSE defaults, rather than removing the flag. Added a brief comment, let's see developers' reaction. Francesco -- Linux Version 3.0.6-gentoo, Compiled #1 SMP PREEMPT Sat Oct 8 20:18:59 CEST 2011 Two 1GHz AMD Athlon 64 X2 Processors, 4GB RAM, 4019.26 Bogomips Total aemaeth
[gentoo-user] Re: tabbed x11-terms/rxvt-unicode
On Sunday 09 October 2011, Michael Orlitzky wrote: On 10/09/11 13:53, Alan McKinnon wrote: For rxvt, a suitable flag name would be plugins Or if there were some package-specific documentation that said, perl: enable the following plugins (written in perl): tabs, transparency, etc. In fact, that would be my favorite solution. How would you call the flag in this case? Regards Francesco -- Linux Version 3.0.6-gentoo, Compiled #1 SMP PREEMPT Sat Oct 8 20:18:59 CEST 2011 Two 1GHz AMD Athlon 64 X2 Processors, 4GB RAM, 4019.26 Bogomips Total aemaeth
[gentoo-user] Re: How to record memory usage bandwidth usage?
Pandu Poluan pandu at poluan.info writes: The head honcho of my company just asked me to plan for migration of X into the cloud (where X is the online trading server that our investors used). This is a single server or many at different locations. If a WAN monitoring is what you are after, along with individual server resources, you have many choices. Now, I need to monitor how much RAM is used throughout the day by X, also how much bandwidth gets eaten by X throughout the day. Most of the packages monitor ram as well as other resource utilization of the servers, firewall, routers and other SNMP devices in your network. some experimentation may be warranted to find what your team likes best. What tools do you recommend? OH boy. I like JFFNMS very very much. It has a very old version in portage (masked) but a very new version out there for Debian and Ubuntu. It runs on all nix, if you want to driectly compile and install. I'll be putting together a new ebuild, as soon as I get it working with the latest postgresql. Mysql works out of the box. Postgresql-9 has many new and very cool features. Remember: The data will be used for 'post-mortem' analysis, so I don't need any fancy schmancy presentation. Just raw data, taken every N seconds. Personally, I have some large, high risk design work going on. JFFNMS and pg9 are the best choices from my research. A whiz like yourself could easily look at the old JFFNMS ebuild and create a new one. PG-9 (please no flame wars on mysql vs pg9) is very cool and what my work is migrating too, once I get some breathing room. Craig at jffnms.org is very cool and responsive. He also works closely with those that submit patches. Nagios is a large, disorder array that had many devs fork off since the project leader (was/is an a_ole) is quite difficult to work with. JFFNMS rules and is very cool for managing cisco and other routers, not to mention a myriad of snmp(1,2.3) devices and all types of servers. The original guy, Javier, was snapped up by someone worth billions, to manage and extend his financial network, but, Craig is probably stronger coder, and extraordinarily nice human being. It's mostly php. Lots of folks extend JFFNMS, Craig keeps it clean and well written and documented code. http://www.jffnms.org/ hth, James
[gentoo-user] Re: tabbed x11-terms/rxvt-unicode
On Saturday 08 October 2011, Michael Orlitzky wrote: On 10/08/11 15:09, Francesco Talamona wrote: I'm not going to complain, though I'm willing to point out (e.g. commenting on relevant bug reports) that some packages are affected in a bad way by this move. Comment here? The devs are still CCed even though it's closed: https://bugs.gentoo.org/250179 To be honest I didn't look for a solution in b.g.o because it was straightforward; even if not so manifest for me the link between the perl flag and the ability for rxvt to run tabbed (given that it doesn't give an error). I don't want to be blunt, but your plan looks to me quite vague. My opinion is that some packages should have a different default. That bug is for adding IUSE defaults, rather than removing the flag. https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=250179#c16 https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=386827 Cheers Francesco -- Linux Version 3.0.6-gentoo, Compiled #1 SMP PREEMPT Sat Oct 8 20:18:59 CEST 2011 Two 1GHz AMD Athlon 64 X2 Processors, 4GB RAM, 4019.26 Bogomips Total aemaeth
Re: this is spam (was: Re: [gentoo-user] 回复： [gentoo-user] Anyone can afford information about build kernel?)
On Tue, 11 Oct 2011 17:08:19 +0200 Jonas de Buhr jonas.de.b...@gmx.net wrote: what really points into the direction of spam in my opinion is using the different names mentioned of stopforumspam. and that others went as far as reporting it. Simplest possible answer: Chinese internet cafe's that use NAT. It only takes one regular to discover a halfway decent Chinese-English translation site that does mail, and suddenly the cafe's entire regular customer base uses it. -- Alan McKinnnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
[gentoo-user] SSDs, ext4, fstrim, discard ...
As mentioned in the systemd-posting I migrated back to an SSD today (on my main rig, the thinkpad uses an SSD happily for a long time now). A feature in a local magazine updated my knowledge of how to make use of the TRIM-command. It told me not to use the mount-option discard anymore, but run fstrim on the mountpoint frequently. OK, I learn ;-) But, AFAI understand, after trimming sectors/bytes on the filesystem/partition, they should be trimmed. I expect X bytes to be trimmed at first and if I repeat the command, I expect 0 (or something pretty low) bytes to be trimmed then, ok? This is what I wonder about: ~ # fstrim -v / /: 6195433472 bytes were trimmed ~ # fstrim -v / /: 6195433472 bytes were trimmed ~ # fstrim -v / /: 6195433472 bytes were trimmed I tested it with discard on and off. / is ext4, yes, and on an SSD, yup. Do I misunderstand things here? Thanks, Stefan
Re: [gentoo-user] systemd
Didn't do much research around this lately. Today I revived my SSD (we'll see) and therefore fell over systemd when I edited grub.conf Where would/should I put stuff from /etc/local.d/ with systemd? I have some commands there setting parameters for ssd-usage and those would be skipped (not executed) with systemd. Pls don't misunderstand, this is not gentoo ricer stuff, I am quite happy w/ openrc, especially w/ the ssd. Stefan
Re: [gentoo-user] systemd
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Stefan G. Weichinger li...@xunil.at wrote: Didn't do much research around this lately. Today I revived my SSD (we'll see) and therefore fell over systemd when I edited grub.conf Where would/should I put stuff from /etc/local.d/ with systemd? I have some commands there setting parameters for ssd-usage and those would be skipped (not executed) with systemd. Those command are on a script, right? Lets say the script is called ssd-thingies; you put this on /etc/systemd/system/ssd-thingies.service: -- [Unit] Description=SSD thingies After=basic.target [Service] Type=oneshot ExecStart=/my/path/to/ssd-thingies [Install] WantedBy=multi-user.target --- Then you run: systemctl daemon-reload systemctl enable ssd-thingies.service Next time you reboot, the service will be called after the basic.target has been completed. You can look at the status of the script afterwards with systemctl status ssd-thingies.service If everything went OK, it should have a line like this: Process: 1234 ExecStart=/my/path/to/ssd-thingies (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS) Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
Re: [gentoo-user] systemd
Am 11.10.2011 23:04, schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés: [...] systemctl status ssd-thingies.service If everything went OK, it should have a line like this: Process: 1234 ExecStart=/my/path/to/ssd-thingies (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS) Regards. Thanks for the explanation! I tried it right now, unfortunately I get: # systemctl status ssd-thingies.service ssd-thingies.service - SSD thingies Loaded: loaded (/etc/systemd/system/ssd-thingies.service) Active: failed since Tue, 11 Oct 2011 23:28:05 +0200; 21s ago Process: 6696 ExecStart=/etc/local.d/stefan.start (code=exited, status=203/EXEC) CGroup: name=systemd:/system/ssd-thingies.service Is it a permission-issue? AFAIK systemd runs w/ root? # cat /etc/systemd/system/ssd-thingies.service [Unit] Description=SSD thingies After=basic.target [Service] Type=oneshot ExecStart=/etc/local.d/stefan.start [Install] WantedBy=multi-user.target # ll /etc/local.d/stefan.start -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 795 11. Okt 16:47 /etc/local.d/stefan.start --- Thanks, greets, Stefan
Re: [gentoo-user] SSDs, ext4, fstrim, discard ...
On Tue, 11 Oct 2011 22:56:31 +0200, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: As mentioned in the systemd-posting I migrated back to an SSD today (on my main rig, the thinkpad uses an SSD happily for a long time now). A feature in a local magazine updated my knowledge of how to make use of the TRIM-command. It told me not to use the mount-option discard anymore, but run fstrim on the mountpoint frequently. OK, I learn ;-) But, AFAI understand, after trimming sectors/bytes on the filesystem/partition, they should be trimmed. I expect X bytes to be trimmed at first and if I repeat the command, I expect 0 (or something pretty low) bytes to be trimmed then, ok? This is what I wonder about: ~ # fstrim -v / /: 6195433472 bytes were trimmed ~ # fstrim -v / /: 6195433472 bytes were trimmed ~ # fstrim -v / /: 6195433472 bytes were trimmed I tested it with discard on and off. / is ext4, yes, and on an SSD, yup. Do I misunderstand things here? Thanks, Stefan This seems in accordance with the fstrim man page: fstrim will report the same potential discard bytes each time, but only sectors which had been written to between the discards would actually be discarded by the storage device. What is the benefit of running fstrim manually over mounting with discard? -- Neil Bothwick PCMCIA: People Can't Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] SSDs, ext4, fstrim, discard ...
On Tue, 11 Oct 2011 22:56:31 +0200 Stefan G. Weichinger li...@xunil.at wrote: As mentioned in the systemd-posting I migrated back to an SSD today (on my main rig, the thinkpad uses an SSD happily for a long time now). A feature in a local magazine updated my knowledge of how to make use of the TRIM-command. It told me not to use the mount-option discard anymore, but run fstrim on the mountpoint frequently. OK, I learn ;-) But, AFAI understand, after trimming sectors/bytes on the filesystem/partition, they should be trimmed. I expect X bytes to be trimmed at first and if I repeat the command, I expect 0 (or something pretty low) bytes to be trimmed then, ok? This is what I wonder about: ~ # fstrim -v / /: 6195433472 bytes were trimmed ~ # fstrim -v / /: 6195433472 bytes were trimmed ~ # fstrim -v / /: 6195433472 bytes were trimmed I tested it with discard on and off. / is ext4, yes, and on an SSD, yup. Do I misunderstand things here? Yes, you misunderstand how fstrim works. It's not up to you to say what it does exactly, it's up to the drive firmware and possibly the kernel. It's actually fully described in the man page right there in the part for option -v :-) A convenient on-line copy of the man page: http://www.vdmeulen.net/cgi-bin/man/man2html?fstrim+8 -- Alan McKinnnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
[gentoo-user] can't build gnome 3.2 (3.0 was ok)
For me, gnome 3.2 has been quite a regression over 3.0. Summary: gdm-3.2.0-r1 crashes and when I revert to the 3.0 gdm, I get to the login screen but then gnome-shell crashes. I tried to downgrade to gnome-shell-3.0.2-r1, but that needs libgnome-menu, which is not in portage/layman. The crash of gdm is described in bug #385525. The crash of gnome-shell is described in the following .xsession-errors file (tracker-miner-fs.log and tracker-store.log are empty). any help would be appreciated. allan oldlap tracker # cat /home/eva/.xsession-errors /etc/gdm/Xsession: Beginning session setup... which: no keychain in (/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/opt/bin:/usr/i686-pc-linux-gnu/gcc-bin/4.1.1:/usr/i686-pc-linux-gnu/gcc-bin/4.5.3:/usr/i686-pc-linux-gnu/gnat-gpl-bin/4.1:/usr/libexec/gnat-gpl/i686-pc-linux-gnu/4.1:/usr/games/bin) /etc/gdm/Xsession: Setup done, will execute: /usr/bin/dbus-launch --exit-with-session /usr/bin/ssh-agent -- gnome-session GNOME_KEYRING_CONTROL=/tmp/keyring-DMA2OM GNOME_KEYRING_PID=5649 GNOME_KEYRING_CONTROL=/tmp/keyring-DMA2OM GNOME_KEYRING_CONTROL=/tmp/keyring-DMA2OM GPG_AGENT_INFO=/tmp/keyring-DMA2OM/gpg:0:1 GNOME_KEYRING_CONTROL=/tmp/keyring-DMA2OM GPG_AGENT_INFO=/tmp/keyring-DMA2OM/gpg:0:1 SSH_AUTH_SOCK=/tmp/keyring-DMA2OM/ssh Initializing tracker-miner-fs... Initializing tracker-store... Tracker-Message: Setting up monitor for changes to config file:'/home/eva/.config/tracker/tracker-miner-fs.cfg' Starting log: File:'/home/eva/.local/share/tracker/tracker-miner-fs.log' Tracker-Message: Setting up monitor for changes to config file:'/home/eva/.config/tracker/tracker-store.cfg' Tracker-Message: Setting up monitor for changes to config file:'/home/eva/.config/tracker/tracker-store.cfg' Starting log: File:'/home/eva/.local/share/tracker/tracker-store.log' Failed to play sound: File or data not found (gnome-shell:5676): Bluetooth-WARNING **: Could not open RFKILL control device, please verify your installation JS LOG: GNOME Shell started at Tue Oct 11 2011 17:23:24 GMT-0400 (EDT) Window manager warning: Log level 16: get_all_cb: couldn't retrieve system settings properties: (25) Launch helper exited with unknown return code 1. gnome-shell-calendar-server[5718]: Got HUP on stdin - exiting gnome-session[5618]: WARNING: Application 'gnome-shell.desktop' killed by signal (gnome-shell:5730): Bluetooth-WARNING **: Could not open RFKILL control device, please verify your installation JS LOG: GNOME Shell started at Tue Oct 11 2011 17:23:25 GMT-0400 (EDT) Window manager warning: Log level 16: get_all_cb: couldn't retrieve system settings properties: (25) Launch helper exited with unknown return code 1. gnome-session[5618]: WARNING: App 'gnome-shell.desktop' respawning too quickly gnome-shell-calendar-server[5738]: Got HUP on stdin - exiting gnome-session[5618]: WARNING: Application 'gnome-shell.desktop' killed by signal (gnome-settings-daemon:5647): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_unref: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed ** Message: Got disconnected from the session message bus; retrying to reconnect every 10 seconds g_dbus_connection_real_closed: Remote peer vanished with error: Underlying GIOStream returned 0 bytes on an async read (g-io-error-quark, 0). Exiting. Received signal:15-'Terminated'g_dbus_connection_real_closed: Remote peer vanished with error: Underlying GIOStream returned 0 bytes on an async read (g-io-error-quark, 0). Exiting. (gdu-notification-daemon:5693): Gdk-WARNING **: gdu-notification-daemon: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server :0. OK oldlap tracker #
Re: [gentoo-user] systemd
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Stefan G. Weichinger li...@xunil.at wrote: Am 11.10.2011 23:04, schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés: [...] systemctl status ssd-thingies.service If everything went OK, it should have a line like this: Process: 1234 ExecStart=/my/path/to/ssd-thingies (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS) Regards. Thanks for the explanation! I tried it right now, unfortunately I get: # systemctl status ssd-thingies.service ssd-thingies.service - SSD thingies Loaded: loaded (/etc/systemd/system/ssd-thingies.service) Active: failed since Tue, 11 Oct 2011 23:28:05 +0200; 21s ago Process: 6696 ExecStart=/etc/local.d/stefan.start (code=exited, status=203/EXEC) CGroup: name=systemd:/system/ssd-thingies.service Is it a permission-issue? AFAIK systemd runs w/ root? It runs as root, but it's already telling you the problem: Process: 6696 ExecStart=/etc/local.d/stefan.start (code=exited, status=203/EXEC) Your script (I believe) does not have execution perms. All the commands for ExecStart (and ExecStop) need to be executable, so do a chmod +x /etc/local.d/stefan.start Also, if your scripts does not return 0 (or the last command it executes does not return 0), it will tell you with the status= flag. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
Re: [gentoo-user] SSDs, ext4, fstrim, discard ...
Am 12.10.2011 00:05, schrieb Neil Bothwick: This seems in accordance with the fstrim man page: fstrim will report the same potential discard bytes each time, but only sectors which had been written to between the discards would actually be discarded by the storage device. Didn't see this so far. Gotta check once more. What is the benefit of running fstrim manually over mounting with discard? discard seems to slow down the fs by trimming all the time. I only report what I read. No tests done so far. S
Re: [gentoo-user] SSDs, ext4, fstrim, discard ...
Am 12.10.2011 00:05, schrieb Alan McKinnon: Yes, you misunderstand how fstrim works. It's not up to you to say what it does exactly, it's up to the drive firmware and possibly the kernel. It's actually fully described in the man page right there in the part for option -v :-) So it only tells me something?
Re: [gentoo-user] can't build gnome 3.2 (3.0 was ok)
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 3:13 PM, Allan Gottlieb gottl...@nyu.edu wrote: For me, gnome 3.2 has been quite a regression over 3.0. Weird; for me it works so much better than 3.0. Summary: gdm-3.2.0-r1 crashes and when I revert to the 3.0 gdm, I get to the login screen but then gnome-shell crashes. I tried to downgrade to gnome-shell-3.0.2-r1, but that needs libgnome-menu, which is not in portage/layman. The crash of gdm is described in bug #385525. The crash of gnome-shell is described in the following .xsession-errors file (tracker-miner-fs.log and tracker-store.log are empty). any help would be appreciated. allan Are you running the updated git of gnome-overlay? I had troubles with gnome-settings-daemon until a couple of days. Can you try to start GNOME with a clean config (no ~/.config, no ~/.local, no ~/.gconf, no ~/.gnome*). Just backup your current config and remove it from $HOME, or try to start GNOME with a dummy new user. Also, in my case, having gnome-shell extensions installed caused me problems when upgrading. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
Re: [gentoo-user] systemd
Am 12.10.2011 00:23, schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés: Your script (I believe) does not have execution perms. All the commands for ExecStart (and ExecStop) need to be executable, so do a chmod +x /etc/local.d/stefan.start I showed you before: # ll /etc/local.d/stefan.start -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 795 11. Okt 16:47 /etc/local.d/stefan.start Also, if your scripts does not return 0 (or the last command it executes does not return 0), it will tell you with the status= flag. Will check this. Thanks, S
Re: [gentoo-user] systemd
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 3:39 PM, Stefan G. Weichinger li...@xunil.at wrote: Am 12.10.2011 00:23, schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés: Your script (I believe) does not have execution perms. All the commands for ExecStart (and ExecStop) need to be executable, so do a chmod +x /etc/local.d/stefan.start I showed you before: # ll /etc/local.d/stefan.start -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 795 11. Okt 16:47 /etc/local.d/stefan.start Sorry, didn't see it. Can you execute it calling it directly? Maybe it's missing the proper shebang. Also, if your scripts does not return 0 (or the last command it executes does not return 0), it will tell you with the status= flag. Will check this. I really think is that systemd cannot execute it, but check that also. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
Re: [gentoo-user] systemd
Am 12.10.2011 00:47, schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés: # ll /etc/local.d/stefan.start -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 795 11. Okt 16:47 /etc/local.d/stefan.start Sorry, didn't see it. Can you execute it calling it directly? Maybe it's missing the proper shebang. The shebang did the trick! Thanks a lot, Stefan
[gentoo-user] Re: this is spam (was: Re: [gentoo-user] 回复： [gentoo-user] Anyone can afford information about build kernel?)
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 11:08 AM, Jonas de Buhr jonas.de.b...@gmx.netwrote: Am Tue, 11 Oct 2011 13:54:06 +0100 schrieb Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com: On Tuesday 11 Oct 2011 12:51:12 Jonas de Buhr wrote: Am Tue, 11 Oct 2011 13:03:27 +0200 schrieb Jonas de Buhr jonas.de.b...@gmx.net: it's nice how much many people on this this list are willing to help in spite of all this. but am i really the only one who finds the behavior described above at least confusing? anyway, i'm quite convinced it is fake. no, apparently i am not the only one thinking that: http://www.stopforumspam.com/ipcheck/58.243.95.123 Interesting! Well, the broken English is not an insurmountable problem as long as we understand the question asked. Not everyone is blessed with good knowledge of the English language. i totally agree to that given any effort on the other end i would do my best to help as well. The questions seem genuine, so it may help the OP or others that have similar problems. right, the replies probably gave the thread some value ;) but there was *no* reaction at all to the proposed solutions, hints and info requests. why ask for help if you don't even try the suggestions? it takes you about ten minutes of reading this list to realize that the usual way of solving problems is a cycle of i am trying to do X and receive error Y-hey, try Z-oh, now A happens-try B too etc. Now, if as you say it is indeed spam, what escapes me is why would someone spam the list in this manner? It doesn't make sense. my point exactly! i don't get it - this intially led me to post this comment in the first place. what really points into the direction of spam in my opinion is using the different names mentioned of stopforumspam. and that others went as far as reporting it. So I am led to believe that the peculiarities you mention are probably a cultural (or personal) issue. possible. but what makes it even more confusing is that this doesn't go well with my experience of chinese people having a hard time with english (i can't really put my finger on it, but it doesn't feel right) and how they react to hey, you're doing X wrong, thats rude. not meaning to stereotype, it just made it more suspicious. I understand why you would think the OP is a spammer, but the topic just seems too genuine (to me at least) for this to actually be spam. It definitely would have been more polite if Lavender had replied to the other suggestions, but (assuming the thread is not spam) you don't know what is going on in their life and it may take a few days to respond. Just because the person is from China, doesn't mean we should assume they're a spammer (following Alan's last reply). -- Matthew Finkel
Re: [gentoo-user] SSDs, ext4, fstrim, discard ...
On Wed, 12 Oct 2011 00:28:03 +0200 Stefan G. Weichinger li...@xunil.at wrote: Am 12.10.2011 00:05, schrieb Alan McKinnon: Yes, you misunderstand how fstrim works. It's not up to you to say what it does exactly, it's up to the drive firmware and possibly the kernel. It's actually fully described in the man page right there in the part for option -v :-) So it only tells me something? No, it's giving you a fact (and slightly misrepresenting it in the output). You asked the drive firmware for a favour - to please check if anything can be discarded and if so to discard it. cue Mafia voice a la GodFather The firmware checked that it *could* discard X bytes and then figured well, maybe it will, maybe it won't, maybe it'll do it on it's own good time, but what the heck - tell the user anyway how many bytes X is. Maybe that'll make the user happy so he'll stfu and go away.. The command leads you to believe the discard was actually done, but that's not necessarily true :-) It's probably a case of the drive knows much better than you what it should do. -- Alan McKinnnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] can't build gnome 3.2 (3.0 was ok)
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 6:30 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 3:13 PM, Allan Gottlieb gottl...@nyu.edu wrote: For me, gnome 3.2 has been quite a regression over 3.0. Weird; for me it works so much better than 3.0. Working OK here also, here is my .xsession-errors http://paste.pocoo.org/show/491299/ HTH David
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: this is spam (was: Re: [gentoo-user] 回复： [gentoo-user] Anyone can afford information about build kernel?)
On Tue, 11 Oct 2011 19:16:56 -0400 Matthew Finkel matthew.fin...@gmail.com wrote: I understand why you would think the OP is a spammer, but the topic just seems too genuine (to me at least) for this to actually be spam. It definitely would have been more polite if Lavender had replied to the other suggestions, but (assuming the thread is not spam) you don't know what is going on in their life and it may take a few days to respond. Just because the person is from China, doesn't mean we should assume they're a spammer (following Alan's last reply). Dealing with foreign users can be interesting, triply so if they are not European/Caucasian. I have about 150 or so technical users throughout Africa (Nigerians are especially interesting) and their Support requests routinely end up in spam folders. These are ISP employees, you'd think the mail lines would work smoothly. Ah, not so. Until you work with foreign cultures you won't believe the many varied ways communication can veer off course. In some cultures it's considered rude for a junior to respond in any way to a senior (replies have to go through intermediaries). -- Alan McKinnnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] can't build gnome 3.2 (3.0 was ok)
On Tue, Oct 11 2011, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 3:13 PM, Allan Gottlieb gottl...@nyu.edu wrote: For me, gnome 3.2 has been quite a regression over 3.0. Weird; for me it works so much better than 3.0. Summary: gdm-3.2.0-r1 crashes and when I revert to the 3.0 gdm, I get to the login screen but then gnome-shell crashes. I tried to downgrade to gnome-shell-3.0.2-r1, but that needs libgnome-menu, which is not in portage/layman. The crash of gdm is described in bug #385525. The crash of gnome-shell is described in the following .xsession-errors file (tracker-miner-fs.log and tracker-store.log are empty). any help would be appreciated. allan Are you running the updated git of gnome-overlay? I had troubles with gnome-settings-daemon until a couple of days. I am running the gnome overlay. I didn't know it had git inside. I am running git 1.7.7. The only packages that won't compile for me (caught by revdep-rebuild are gpointing-device-settings-1.5.1-r2 and totem-plparser-2-32.6). I believe these bugs are not related to the above. Can you try to start GNOME with a clean config (no ~/.config, no ~/.local, no ~/.gconf, no ~/.gnome*). Just backup your current config and remove it from $HOME, or try to start GNOME with a dummy new user. I can't get to the machine tonight, but will try it tomorrow. Also, in my case, having gnome-shell extensions installed caused me problems when upgrading. I don't have the extensions installed. thanks, allan
Re: [gentoo-user] can't build gnome 3.2 (3.0 was ok)
On Tue, Oct 11 2011, David Abbott wrote: On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 6:30 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 3:13 PM, Allan Gottlieb gottl...@nyu.edu wrote: For me, gnome 3.2 has been quite a regression over 3.0. Weird; for me it works so much better than 3.0. Working OK here also, here is my .xsession-errors http://paste.pocoo.org/show/491299/ HTH thanks, allan
Re: [gentoo-user] can't build gnome 3.2 (3.0 was ok)
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 6:18 PM, Allan Gottlieb gottl...@nyu.edu wrote: On Tue, Oct 11 2011, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 3:13 PM, Allan Gottlieb gottl...@nyu.edu wrote: For me, gnome 3.2 has been quite a regression over 3.0. Weird; for me it works so much better than 3.0. Summary: gdm-3.2.0-r1 crashes and when I revert to the 3.0 gdm, I get to the login screen but then gnome-shell crashes. I tried to downgrade to gnome-shell-3.0.2-r1, but that needs libgnome-menu, which is not in portage/layman. The crash of gdm is described in bug #385525. The crash of gnome-shell is described in the following .xsession-errors file (tracker-miner-fs.log and tracker-store.log are empty). any help would be appreciated. allan Are you running the updated git of gnome-overlay? I had troubles with gnome-settings-daemon until a couple of days. I am running the gnome overlay. I didn't know it had git inside. I am running git 1.7.7. The only packages that won't compile for me (caught by revdep-rebuild are gpointing-device-settings-1.5.1-r2 and totem-plparser-2-32.6). I believe these bugs are not related to the above. No, what I meant to ask was if you have the last snapshot of the overlay. The overlay is a git repository (I believe most overlays are git repositories), and they are updated when you do layman -S (if you use layman). Can you try to start GNOME with a clean config (no ~/.config, no ~/.local, no ~/.gconf, no ~/.gnome*). Just backup your current config and remove it from $HOME, or try to start GNOME with a dummy new user. I can't get to the machine tonight, but will try it tomorrow. Also, in my case, having gnome-shell extensions installed caused me problems when upgrading. I don't have the extensions installed. Then is either a config problem, or there was something funny in the snapshot of the overlay that you used. If the clean config doesn't work, update the overlay from git (or use layman -S) and reemerge all the installed ebuilds inside the overlay. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
[gentoo-user] /usr/bin/[ and coreutils
I have been checking my system for some deep seated problems and in the process, ran across the fact that equery files sys-apps/coreutils-8.7 shows a file included called /usr/bin/[ - thats right, left square bracket! Is that a bug or if real, what would you use it for? It doesnt seem to be on the file system ... moriah ~ # /usr/bin/[ /usr/bin/[: missing `]' moriah ~ # doesnt show much! BillK
Re: [gentoo-user] /usr/bin/[ and coreutils
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 10:35 PM, William Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au wrote: I have been checking my system for some deep seated problems and in the process, ran across the fact that equery files sys-apps/coreutils-8.7 shows a file included called /usr/bin/[ - thats right, left square bracket! Is that a bug or if real, what would you use it for? It doesnt seem to be on the file system ... moriah ~ # /usr/bin/[ /usr/bin/[: missing `]' moriah ~ # doesnt show much! Relax. It's an alias for test, so instead of using if test blah; then ... fi in bash, you can use if [ blah ]; then ... fi Just do /usr/bin/[ --help to get an idea. It has been there since I started using Linux, if I remember correctly, many years ago. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
Re: [gentoo-user] /usr/bin/[ and coreutils
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 10:35 PM, William Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au wrote: I have been checking my system for some deep seated problems and in the process, ran across the fact that equery files sys-apps/coreutils-8.7 shows a file included called /usr/bin/[ - thats right, left square bracket! Is that a bug or if real, what would you use it for? It doesnt seem to be on the file system ... moriah ~ # /usr/bin/[ /usr/bin/[: missing `]' moriah ~ # doesnt show much! '/usr/bin/[' is a synonym for the '/usr/bin/test' utility. It's used in shell scripts like if [ -f /etc/passwd ] ; then ... So don't worry. It's supposed to be there. -- Manuel A. McLure WW1FA man...@mclure.org http://www.mclure.org ...for in Ulthar, according to an ancient and significant law, no man may kill a cat. -- H.P. Lovecraft
Re: [gentoo-user] /usr/bin/[ and coreutils
William Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au [11-10-12 07:40]: I have been checking my system for some deep seated problems and in the process, ran across the fact that equery files sys-apps/coreutils-8.7 shows a file included called /usr/bin/[ - thats right, left square bracket! Is that a bug or if real, what would you use it for? It doesnt seem to be on the file system ... moriah ~ # /usr/bin/[ /usr/bin/[: missing `]' moriah ~ # doesnt show much! BillK Hi Wiiliam, this is a convenient 'abbreviation' or 'alias' for cobnstructs such this one if [ foo ] then bar fi in shell scripting. Most shells have implemented this as a builtin (and 'test' also) though. HTH! Best regards, mcc
