Re: [gentoo-user] This nite's switch to full multilib

2015-03-30 Thread Mick
On Monday 30 Mar 2015 09:58:37 Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: On 30.03.2015 00:51, Alan McKinnon wrote: I like Gentoo, you all know, but things like that scare me off a bit. This is Gentoo, it's all about choice. Sometimes there's a downside, like a very long package.use to define to

Re: [gentoo-user] This nite's switch to full multilib

2015-03-30 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
On 30.03.2015 11:39, Alan McKinnon wrote: On 30/03/2015 11:23, Mick wrote: Hmm ... I don't think setting abi_x86_32 globally is necessary, unless you want to have 32bit libs for ALL packages that these exist for, whether you use them or not. I mean that for Skype you have no alternative

Re: [gentoo-user] This nite's switch to full multilib

2015-03-30 Thread Dale
Alan McKinnon wrote: On 30/03/2015 00:10, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: Am 29.03.2015 um 20:16 schrieb Alan McKinnon: I have to do that for 195 ebuilds here and really wonder if that is correct in the end It's a horrible solution, you are right. The problem is that it's not your 32 bit

Re: [gentoo-user] This nite's switch to full multilib

2015-03-30 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Sunday 29 March 2015 20:12:45 Alan McKinnon wrote: ... I think Michael posted the correct cause up-thread: If you're on stable, you'll need to keyword qt-4.8.6 in its entirety. You can't mix and match versions, and 4.8.6 is the only one that supports multilib. Something needs clarifying

[gentoo-user] Moving from no-multilib to (true) multilib

2015-03-30 Thread Mick
Given that the emul-linux-x86 package sets are now deprecated and we can now with USE=abi_x86_32 emerge our own 32bit libraries where needed, is it now easier to move from a no-multilib to a multilib environment, or will it still require a complete reinstall? -- Regards, Mick signature.asc

Re: [gentoo-user] How to poweroff the system from user?

2015-03-30 Thread Mick
On Monday 30 Mar 2015 01:32:21 Walter Dnes wrote: On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 03:30:07PM -0400, Rich Freeman wrote With TPM, full-disk encryption, and a verified boot path, you could actually protect against that scenario (they'd have to tear apart the TPM chip and try to access the

Re: [gentoo-user] This nite's switch to full multilib

2015-03-30 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
On 30.03.2015 00:51, Alan McKinnon wrote: I like Gentoo, you all know, but things like that scare me off a bit. This is Gentoo, it's all about choice. Sometimes there's a downside, like a very long package.use to define to Portage exactly what your choice really is. I don't really know

Re: [gentoo-user] How to poweroff the system from user?

2015-03-30 Thread Mick
On Monday 30 Mar 2015 01:52:14 Rich Freeman wrote: On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 8:32 PM, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: Be careful what you wish for. I have my doubts that TPM chips would boot linux with Microsoft offering volume discounts to OEMS. Call me cynical. TPM chips

Re: [gentoo-user] This nite's switch to full multilib

2015-03-30 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 30/03/2015 11:23, Mick wrote: Hmm ... I don't think setting abi_x86_32 globally is necessary, unless you want to have 32bit libs for ALL packages that these exist for, whether you use them or not. I mean that for Skype you have no alternative at present, but if you don't use Skype

Re: [gentoo-user] This nite's switch to full multilib

2015-03-30 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 30/03/2015 12:02, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: On 30.03.2015 11:39, Alan McKinnon wrote: On 30/03/2015 11:23, Mick wrote: Hmm ... I don't think setting abi_x86_32 globally is necessary, unless you want to have 32bit libs for ALL packages that these exist for, whether you use them or

Re: [gentoo-user] This nite's switch to full multilib

2015-03-30 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Sunday 29 March 2015 17:58:46 Mick wrote: On Sunday 29 Mar 2015 17:43:42 waben...@gmail.com wrote: Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: I've also ended up with qt blockers, that I do not seem capable to overcome yet. KDE wants qt 4.8.5 installed which is blocking qt 4.8.6. How

Re: [gentoo-user] How to poweroff the system from user?

2015-03-30 Thread Rich Freeman
On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 4:09 AM, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday 30 Mar 2015 01:52:14 Rich Freeman wrote: On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 8:32 PM, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: Be careful what you wish for. I have my doubts that TPM chips would boot linux with

[gentoo-user] Re: This nite's switch to full multilib

2015-03-30 Thread Holger Hoffstätte
On Mon, 30 Mar 2015 12:14:29 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: OK, then so why do I have to edit files to tell the system to USE this and that after the system tells me it needs that ... ? Why isn't this taken care of within portage itself? I don't *want* to decide 32bit or not ... (I like that

[gentoo-user] Re: Moving from no-multilib to (true) multilib

2015-03-30 Thread Holger Hoffstätte
On Mon, 30 Mar 2015 11:20:23 +0100, Mick wrote: Given that the emul-linux-x86 package sets are now deprecated and we can now with USE=abi_x86_32 emerge our own 32bit libraries where needed, is it now easier to move from a no-multilib to a multilib environment, or will it still require a

Re: [gentoo-user] This nite's switch to full multilib

2015-03-30 Thread Rich Freeman
On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:02 AM, Stefan G. Weichinger li...@xunil.at wrote: OK, then so why do I have to edit files to tell the system to USE this and that after the system tells me it needs that ... ? Why isn't this taken care of within portage itself? I don't *want* to decide 32bit or not

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: This nite's switch to full multilib

2015-03-30 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Mon, 30 Mar 2015 12:15:01 + (UTC), Holger Hoffstätte wrote: Portage does not override your choices, and it certainly does not allow one single ebuild to automagically change the behaviour of multiple other ebuilds. The correct way to bring about changes in behaviour is to add your

Re: [gentoo-user] This nite's switch to full multilib

2015-03-30 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Mon, 30 Mar 2015 05:59:24 -0500, Dale wrote: Neil Bothwick wrote: On Mon, 30 Mar 2015 04:12:59 -0500, Dale wrote: I wonder if make.conf would be better in my case too? My use file just grew my a huge amount. You package.use has grown by one filesystem block at most, how much

Re: [gentoo-user] This nite's switch to full multilib

2015-03-30 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Monday 30 March 2015 13:40:12 Neil Bothwick wrote: [Re package.use] I find the separate files much easier to manage as all the settings for each package are kept separate, and easily removed or changed - for example when I stop using the package. The alternative would be to comment every

[gentoo-user] Re: This nite's switch to full multilib

2015-03-30 Thread Holger Hoffstätte
On Mon, 30 Mar 2015 13:44:59 +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Mon, 30 Mar 2015 12:15:01 + (UTC), Holger Hoffstätte wrote: Portage does not override your choices, and it certainly does not allow one single ebuild to automagically change the behaviour of multiple other ebuilds. The

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: configure.ac and Makefile.am easy_view ?

2015-03-30 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 03/29/2015 05:46 AM, Peter Humphrey wrote: $ ebuild $(equery w xjobs) prepare Ok, you got me!

Re: [gentoo-user] This nite's switch to full multilib

2015-03-30 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Mon, 30 Mar 2015 08:42:07 -0500, Dale wrote: I find the separate files much easier to manage as all the settings for each package are kept separate, and easily removed or changed - for example when I stop using the package. The alternative would be to comment every entry in the file so

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: This nite's switch to full multilib

2015-03-30 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Mon, 30 Mar 2015 13:04:47 + (UTC), Holger Hoffstätte wrote: The news item also showed how to make it a global choice, avoiding the need to multiple per-package directories. I'm not sure that's a solution to the problem at all (which is why I didn't do it on my machines either).

Re: [gentoo-user] This nite's switch to full multilib

2015-03-30 Thread Dale
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Mon, 30 Mar 2015 05:59:24 -0500, Dale wrote: Neil Bothwick wrote: On Mon, 30 Mar 2015 04:12:59 -0500, Dale wrote: I wonder if make.conf would be better in my case too? My use file just grew my a huge amount. You package.use has grown by one filesystem block at

Re: [gentoo-user] This nite's switch to full multilib

2015-03-30 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Mon, 30 Mar 2015 12:02:23 +0200, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: Hmm ... I don't think setting abi_x86_32 globally is necessary, unless you want to have 32bit libs for ALL packages that these exist for, whether you use them or not. I mean that for Skype you have no alternative at present,

Re: [gentoo-user] This nite's switch to full multilib

2015-03-30 Thread Dale
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Mon, 30 Mar 2015 04:12:59 -0500, Dale wrote: Dang. I had to add about 90 packages to my package.use and some more to the keyword file. I wonder if make.conf would be better in my case too? My use file just grew my a huge amount. You package.use has grown by one

Re: [gentoo-user] This nite's switch to full multilib

2015-03-30 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Mon, 30 Mar 2015 04:12:59 -0500, Dale wrote: Dang. I had to add about 90 packages to my package.use and some more to the keyword file. I wonder if make.conf would be better in my case too? My use file just grew my a huge amount. You package.use has grown by one filesystem block at

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: This nite's switch to full multilib

2015-03-30 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 30/03/2015 12:42, Holger Hoffstätte wrote: On Mon, 30 Mar 2015 12:14:29 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: OK, then so why do I have to edit files to tell the system to USE this and that after the system tells me it needs that ... ? Why isn't this taken care of within portage itself? I don't

[gentoo-user] Re: This nite's switch to full multilib

2015-03-30 Thread Holger Hoffstätte
On Mon, 30 Mar 2015 13:14:55 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: On 30/03/2015 12:42, Holger Hoffstätte wrote: You want skype. Skype is 32bit. So far, we're good. You put an entry in package.use to enable abi_x86_32 for skype. Except..at that point you would have already failed. That does not

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: This nite's switch to full multilib

2015-03-30 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Monday 30 March 2015 15:34:55 Neil Bothwick wrote: At least we will now be spared the messages from [...] perl-cleaner about binary packages that won't change no matter how many time we reinstall them. That certainly is an improvement, yes. I was always unsure how safe I was in ignoring

[gentoo-user] online browsable ebuilds by arch?

2015-03-30 Thread James
Hello folks, I use this link for browsing ebuilds online[1]. It is escecially useful when non_gentoo folks are discussion how to compile from sources; particularly complex/compound compilations and or difficult codes (except java). I find myself always referring to online ebuilds when in

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: This nite's switch to full multilib

2015-03-30 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Mon, 30 Mar 2015 19:46:54 + (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote: The news item also showed how to make it a global choice, avoiding the need to multiple per-package directories. I'm not sure that's a solution to the problem at all (which is why I didn't do it on my machines either).

[gentoo-user] Re: This nite's switch to full multilib

2015-03-30 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2015-03-30, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On 30/03/2015 15:04, Holger Hoffstätte wrote: On Mon, 30 Mar 2015 13:44:59 +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Mon, 30 Mar 2015 12:15:01 + (UTC), Holger Hoffstätte wrote: Portage does not override your choices, and it certainly does

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: This nite's switch to full multilib

2015-03-30 Thread Fernando Rodriguez
On Monday, March 30, 2015 9:09:14 PM Alan McKinnon wrote: On 30/03/2015 15:04, Holger Hoffstätte wrote: On Mon, 30 Mar 2015 13:44:59 +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Mon, 30 Mar 2015 12:15:01 + (UTC), Holger Hoffstätte wrote: Portage does not override your choices, and it certainly

Re: [gentoo-user] This nite's switch to full multilib

2015-03-30 Thread Gevisz
On Sun, 29 Mar 2015 19:53:18 +0200 Stefan G. Weichinger li...@xunil.at wrote: I have to do that for 195 ebuilds here and really wonder if that is correct in the end Have you tried to unmerge all the emulation packages before updating the system, as advised by the news? I did it before

Re: [gentoo-user] online browsable ebuilds by arch?

2015-03-30 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Mon, 30 Mar 2015 15:49:07 + (UTC), James wrote: I use this link for browsing ebuilds online[1]. It is escecially useful when non_gentoo folks are discussion how to compile from sources; particularly complex/compound compilations and or difficult codes (except java). I find myself

[gentoo-user] Re: This nite's switch to full multilib

2015-03-30 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2015-03-30, Fernando Rodriguez frodriguez.develo...@outlook.com wrote: On Monday, March 30, 2015 9:09:14 PM Alan McKinnon wrote: Maybe it's time we asked the multilib devs how they intended to deal with these questions you raise. I don't have a problem with the way it is, but I think

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: This nite's switch to full multilib

2015-03-30 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 30/03/2015 15:04, Holger Hoffstätte wrote: On Mon, 30 Mar 2015 13:44:59 +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Mon, 30 Mar 2015 12:15:01 + (UTC), Holger Hoffstätte wrote: Portage does not override your choices, and it certainly does not allow one single ebuild to automagically change the

[gentoo-user] Re: This nite's switch to full multilib

2015-03-30 Thread James
Peter Humphrey peter at prh.myzen.co.uk writes: On Sunday 29 March 2015 20:12:45 Alan McKinnon wrote: grep -ir qt /etc/portage grep qt /etc/portage/package.use | wc -l =11 dev-qt/qt-creator android autotools cmake python dev-qt/qtguiqt3support =dev-qt/qtsql-4.8.5

[gentoo-user] xen on new install reboots by itself

2015-03-30 Thread symack
Hello Everyone, New install, on a old server with raid 10 scsi... The normal installation works fine, the only thing is when we try to boot with xen, it gets to the prompt and then reboots by itself. The following message is what differs between normal gentoo and xen kernel Mar 31 06:32:18 test

[gentoo-user] Easy (cough) way to build earlier gentoo-sources 3.18.x kernel?

2015-03-30 Thread Bob Wya
I'm getting a bit bogged down trying to build an early release of the 3.18 kernel. Since I can't automatically go back before 3.18.9 now (using portage anyway)... Basically I trying to check if a suspend/resume issue I've got was introduced after the 3.18 kernel was released (or was in the base

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: online browsable ebuilds by arch?

2015-03-30 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Mon, 30 Mar 2015 21:05:46 + (UTC), James wrote: That's the main portage tree, the name is a misnomer. Although called gentoo-x86, it is really just portage, which does not have specific ebuilds for different architectures. Architecture suitability is governed by the KEYWORDS

Re: [gentoo-user] Easy (cough) way to build earlier gentoo-sources 3.18.x kernel?

2015-03-30 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Mon, 30 Mar 2015 23:22:58 +0100, Bob Wya wrote: I'm getting a bit bogged down trying to build an early release of the 3.18 kernel. Since I can't automatically go back before 3.18.9 now (using portage anyway)...

[gentoo-user] Re: Easy (cough) way to build earlier gentoo-sources 3.18.x kernel?

2015-03-30 Thread Nicolas Sebrecht
On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 06:45:40PM -0400, Fernando Rodriguez wrote: You can use git. I believe gentoo patches are only for config options so if you configure it with make oldconfig it *should* be the same as using gentoo- sources. Actually no, gentoo-sources aren't vanilla kernel while

[gentoo-user] Re: This nite's switch to full multilib

2015-03-30 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2015-03-30, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Mon, 30 Mar 2015 19:46:54 + (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote: The reason is that somebody wanted their system to be consistent. I don't think that's a particulary good reason, but that's the nice thing aboug Gentoo. Everybody gets to

[gentoo-user] Re: online browsable ebuilds by arch?

2015-03-30 Thread James
Neil Bothwick neil at digimed.co.uk writes: [1] https://sources.gentoo.org/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/ What I cannot seem to find is this sort of organization, filtered by architecture. It's be really keen to see one just for arm and arm64. That's the main portage tree, the name is

[gentoo-user] Re: Easy (cough) way to build earlier gentoo-sources 3.18.x kernel?

2015-03-30 Thread James
Bob Wya bob.mt.wya at gmail.com writes: I had a look at the kernel-2 eclass and my head started to hurt... Do I need to wade into the weeds or is there a short-cut I can take to go back to the earliest gentoo-sources 3.18 kernel build Might this help [1] ? I always keep at least 6 older

Re: [gentoo-user] Easy (cough) way to build earlier gentoo-sources 3.18.x kernel?

2015-03-30 Thread Fernando Rodriguez
On Monday, March 30, 2015 11:22:58 PM Bob Wya wrote: I'm getting a bit bogged down trying to build an early release of the 3.18 kernel. Since I can't automatically go back before 3.18.9 now (using portage anyway)... Basically I trying to check if a suspend/resume issue I've got was

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Easy (cough) way to build earlier gentoo-sources 3.18.x kernel?

2015-03-30 Thread Fernando Rodriguez
On Tuesday, March 31, 2015 1:16:08 AM Nicolas Sebrecht wrote: On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 06:45:40PM -0400, Fernando Rodriguez wrote: You can use git. I believe gentoo patches are only for config options so if you configure it with make oldconfig it *should* be the same as using gentoo-

Re: [gentoo-user] This nite's switch to full multilib

2015-03-30 Thread Dale
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Mon, 30 Mar 2015 08:42:07 -0500, Dale wrote: I find the separate files much easier to manage as all the settings for each package are kept separate, and easily removed or changed - for example when I stop using the package. The alternative would be to comment every

[gentoo-user] Re: Easy (cough) way to build earlier gentoo-sources 3.18.x kernel?

2015-03-30 Thread Holger Hoffstätte
On Mon, 30 Mar 2015 23:22:58 +0100, Bob Wya wrote: I'm getting a bit bogged down trying to build an early release of the 3.18 kernel. Since I can't automatically go back before 3.18.9 now (using portage anyway)... Basically I trying to check if a suspend/resume issue I've got was

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How to poweroff the system from user?

2015-03-30 Thread Fernando Rodriguez
On Sunday, March 29, 2015 12:23:00 PM lee wrote: Philip Webb purs...@ca.inter.net writes: What's the last time you pressed Ctrl+Alt+Del and it actually worked? It's a legacy thing from times when freezes/crashes were common and when it did work and was useful. Nowadays, when you're pressing

Re: [gentoo-user] xen on new install reboots by itself

2015-03-30 Thread hydra
On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 1:07 AM, symack sym...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Everyone, New install, on a old server with raid 10 scsi... The normal installation works fine, the only thing is when we try to boot with xen, it gets to the prompt and then reboots by itself. The following message is

[gentoo-user] Re: online browsable ebuilds by arch?

2015-03-30 Thread James
Neil Bothwick neil at digimed.co.uk writes: Yea, I get that. But I want it 100% filtered by arch. It's not quite what you are asking for, but packages.g.o lets you filter by arch, and view the contents of ebuilds. Yea, I have seen that often when I google. Correct but is not comprehensive

[gentoo-user] Re: Replacement for acroread on 64bit system?

2015-03-30 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2015-03-06, Grant Edwards grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com wrote: What is a good acroread replacement? I'm not sure what changed, but as of a few weeks ago I can no longer install acroread on my AMD64 system (something to do with x86 emulation librarys being blocked by something in the Xorg