Re: [gentoo-user] PATA in gentoo-sources-2.6.26-r3

2008-11-28 Thread Thanasis
on 11/28/2008 12:33 AM Neil Bothwick wrote the following: On Thu, 27 Nov 2008 20:47:24 +0200, Thanasis wrote: Yesterday, I tried upgrading from gentoo-sources-2.6.25-r9 to 2.6.26-r3, but the new kernel can not mount the root filesystem, because it's on a RAID1 on an SIL680 controller. In the

Re: [gentoo-user] PATA in gentoo-sources-2.6.26-r3

2008-11-28 Thread Thanasis
on 11/27/2008 08:47 PM Thanasis wrote the following: Yesterday, I tried upgrading from gentoo-sources-2.6.25-r9 to 2.6.26-r3, but the new kernel can not mount the root filesystem, because it's on a RAID1 on an SIL680 controller. In the previous kernel I had CONFIG_PATA_SIL680=y , but in the

[gentoo-user] best practice for kernel mainteneance

2008-11-28 Thread Thanasis
Regarding kernel maintenance, mostly from the point of view of security, which is the best way to go: 1) Having gentoo-sources in /var/lib/portage/world, which would mean the sources would be upgraded whenever portage marks a newer version as stable (provided someone follows stable)? 2) Not

Re: [gentoo-user] PATA in gentoo-sources-2.6.26-r3

2008-11-28 Thread Justin
Thanasis schrieb: Yesterday, I tried upgrading from gentoo-sources-2.6.25-r9 to 2.6.26-r3, but the new kernel can not mount the root filesystem, because it's on a RAID1 on an SIL680 controller. In the previous kernel I had CONFIG_PATA_SIL680=y , but in the new .config I cannot find any PATA.

Re: [gentoo-user] best practice for kernel mainteneance

2008-11-28 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Friday 28 November 2008 10:41:55 Thanasis wrote: Regarding kernel maintenance, mostly from the point of view of security, which is the best way to go: 1) Having gentoo-sources in /var/lib/portage/world, which would mean the sources would be upgraded whenever portage marks a newer version as

Re: [gentoo-user] best practice for kernel mainteneance

2008-11-28 Thread Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto
On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 6:41 AM, Thanasis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Regarding kernel maintenance, mostly from the point of view of security, which is the best way to go: 1) Having gentoo-sources in /var/lib/portage/world, which would mean the sources would be upgraded whenever portage marks a

Re: [gentoo-user] best practice for kernel mainteneance

2008-11-28 Thread Dale
Thanasis wrote: Regarding kernel maintenance, mostly from the point of view of security, which is the best way to go: 1) Having gentoo-sources in /var/lib/portage/world, which would mean the sources would be upgraded whenever portage marks a newer version as stable (provided someone follows

[gentoo-user] Installation problems on AMD64 box

2008-11-28 Thread R C Mitchell
I use Ubuntu for every day but as my box has a spare 40GB hard disk I decided to have a go at installing Gentoo on it for evaluation Using the handbook documentation for AMD64 I burned a basic installation CD, booted it up, and followed the instructions for installation on the spare drive.

Re: [gentoo-user] Fragmentation of my drives. Curious mostly

2008-11-28 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Friday 28 November 2008 13:14:42 Dale wrote: If this is a little high, what would be the best way to defrag it? By not defragging it. It's not Windows. Windows boxes needs defragging not because fragmentation is a huge problem in itself, but because windows filesystems are a steaming mess

Re: [gentoo-user] PATA in gentoo-sources-2.6.26-r3

2008-11-28 Thread Thanasis
on 11/28/2008 11:14 AM Justin wrote the following: Thanasis schrieb: Yesterday, I tried upgrading from gentoo-sources-2.6.25-r9 to 2.6.26-r3, but the new kernel can not mount the root filesystem, because it's on a RAID1 on an SIL680 controller. In the previous kernel I had

Re: [gentoo-user] Fragmentation of my drives. Curious mostly

2008-11-28 Thread Florian Philipp
Alan McKinnon schrieb: [...] Reiser tends to self-balance itself out. What is especially noteworthy is that none of the general purpose Linux filesystems provide a defrag utility. Theodore 'Tso and Hans Reiser are both exceptional programmers, if there was a need for such a tool they would

Re: [gentoo-user] Installation problems on AMD64 box

2008-11-28 Thread Albert Hopkins
On Fri, 2008-11-28 at 11:36 +, R C Mitchell wrote: [SNIP] I emerged gentoo-sources, and it ran fine for about five minutes, and then (choosing the moment when I decided all was well to go and make a pot of tea, the system rebooted itself. I booted up the disk again and went through

Re: [gentoo-user] Installation problems on AMD64 box

2008-11-28 Thread Daniel da Veiga
On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 10:29, Florian Philipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Iain Buchanan schrieb: R C Mitchell wrote: I use Ubuntu for every day but as my box has a spare 40GB hard disk I decided to have a go at installing Gentoo on it for evaluation ah, who says Ubuntu isn't good for

Re: [gentoo-user] best practice for kernel mainteneance

2008-11-28 Thread Thanasis
on 11/28/2008 12:31 PM Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto wrote the following: On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 6:41 AM, Thanasis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Regarding kernel maintenance, mostly from the point of view of security, which is the best way to go: 1) Having gentoo-sources in

Re: [gentoo-user] best practice for kernel maintenance

2008-11-28 Thread Thanasis
on 11/28/2008 01:19 PM Dale wrote the following: Thanasis wrote: Regarding kernel maintenance, mostly from the point of view of security, which is the best way to go: 1) Having gentoo-sources in /var/lib/portage/world, which would mean the sources would be upgraded whenever portage marks a

Re: [gentoo-user] best practice for kernel mainteneance

2008-11-28 Thread Thanasis
on 11/28/2008 10:53 AM Dirk Heinrichs wrote the following: Am Freitag 28 November 2008 09:41:55 schrieb ext Thanasis: Regarding kernel maintenance, mostly from the point of view of security, which is the best way to go: 1) Having gentoo-sources in /var/lib/portage/world, which would mean

Re: [gentoo-user] Installation problems on AMD64 box

2008-11-28 Thread Andrea Momesso
On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 12:36 PM, R C Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use Ubuntu for every day but as my box has a spare 40GB hard disk I decided to have a go at installing Gentoo on it for evaluation Using the handbook documentation for AMD64 I burned a basic installation CD, booted it

Re: [gentoo-user] best practice for kernel mainteneance

2008-11-28 Thread Dirk Heinrichs
Am Freitag 28 November 2008 13:47:48 schrieb ext Thanasis: OK, I'm not acquainted with git... :-\ , but that's another subject. :-) I only mentioned it because I find it most convinient for kernel source update. Only one source directory around (no cleanup of old source package needed), easy

Re: [gentoo-user] best practice for kernel mainteneance

2008-11-28 Thread Dirk Heinrichs
Am Freitag 28 November 2008 13:48:15 schrieb ext Thanasis: Am I supposed/ should I upgrade when a new source tree becomes stable? I'd say no, but that's a question that you can only answer yourself, it depend solely on your needs. Bye... Dirk -- Dirk Heinrichs | Tel: +49

Re: [gentoo-user] Installation problems on AMD64 box

2008-11-28 Thread Iain Buchanan
R C Mitchell wrote: I use Ubuntu for every day but as my box has a spare 40GB hard disk I decided to have a go at installing Gentoo on it for evaluation ah, who says Ubuntu isn't good for anything? Good to see you're trying a real distribution :) /flame Typically now you'd prove me wrong

Re: [gentoo-user] best practice for kernel mainteneance

2008-11-28 Thread Thanasis
on 11/28/2008 11:54 AM Alan McKinnon wrote the following: On Friday 28 November 2008 10:41:55 Thanasis wrote: Regarding kernel maintenance, mostly from the point of view of security, which is the best way to go: 1) Having gentoo-sources in /var/lib/portage/world, which would mean the sources

Re: [gentoo-user] Installation problems on AMD64 box

2008-11-28 Thread Florian Philipp
Iain Buchanan schrieb: R C Mitchell wrote: I use Ubuntu for every day but as my box has a spare 40GB hard disk I decided to have a go at installing Gentoo on it for evaluation ah, who says Ubuntu isn't good for anything? Good to see you're trying a real distribution :) /flame Typically

[gentoo-user] Fragmentation of my drives. Curious mostly

2008-11-28 Thread Dale
Hi folks, I have a pretty old install tho I have moved it from one drive to another once, using cp -av. It got to big for the old hard drive. Anyway, the install is about 5 years old or so and about 3 years since it got moved. I have Gentoo on it naturally, a ship load of pictures and a few

Re: [gentoo-user] Installation problems on AMD64 box

2008-11-28 Thread R C Mitchell
On Friday 28 November 2008 11:56:52 Iain Buchanan wrote: ah, who says Ubuntu isn't good for anything? Good to see you're trying a real distribution :) /flame Toto, I don't think we're in Kansas anymore... Typically now you'd prove me wrong and say how you've been using dieHardLinux for

Re: [gentoo-user] Fragmentation of my drives. Curious mostly

2008-11-28 Thread Stroller
On 28 Nov 2008, at 11:46, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Friday 28 November 2008 13:14:42 Dale wrote: If this is a little high, what would be the best way to defrag it? By not defragging it. It's not Windows. Windows boxes needs defragging not because fragmentation is a huge problem in itself,

Re: [gentoo-user] Installation problems on AMD64 box

2008-11-28 Thread R C Mitchell
On Friday 28 November 2008 12:55:06 Andrea Momesso wrote: An easy way to find out if this is a gentoo related problem is to avoid using the livecd. You can easily chroot into the gentoo drive from your ubuntu installation and try to emerge gentoo-sources from there. Ok, I've done this.

Re: [gentoo-user] Fragmentation of my drives. Curious mostly

2008-11-28 Thread Dale
Florian Philipp wrote: Alan McKinnon schrieb: [...] Reiser tends to self-balance itself out. What is especially noteworthy is that none of the general purpose Linux filesystems provide a defrag utility. Theodore 'Tso and Hans Reiser are both exceptional programmers, if there was a need for

Re: [gentoo-user] Installation problems on AMD64 box

2008-11-28 Thread R C Mitchell
On Friday 28 November 2008 12:29:23 Florian Philipp wrote: By the way: Can you post some parameters of your system (CPU, age, ...) and tell us, whether you use 64bit or 32bit versions of Ubuntu and Gentoo? I had the box built for me a year ago. Processor is ADM Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core

Re: [gentoo-user] Fragmentation of my drives. Curious mostly

2008-11-28 Thread Joshua Murphy
On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 6:46 AM, Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 28 November 2008 13:14:42 Dale wrote: If this is a little high, what would be the best way to defrag it? By not defragging it. It's not Windows. Windows boxes needs defragging not because fragmentation is a

Re: [gentoo-user] Fragmentation of my drives. Curious mostly

2008-11-28 Thread Florian Philipp
Dale schrieb: I have said myself that Linux does not generally need to be defraged. I have never seen a Linux file system get anything near as bad as windoze. While I don't run windoze I do have family and friends that do so I know how bad it can be. I have seen a lot of windoze be at 40 and

Re: [gentoo-user] Fragmentation of my drives. Curious mostly

2008-11-28 Thread Dale
Florian Philipp wrote: Dale schrieb: I have said myself that Linux does not generally need to be defraged. I have never seen a Linux file system get anything near as bad as windoze. While I don't run windoze I do have family and friends that do so I know how bad it can be. I have seen a

Re: [gentoo-user] Fragmentation of my drives. Curious mostly

2008-11-28 Thread Dale
Joshua Murphy wrote: On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 6:46 AM, Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 28 November 2008 13:14:42 Dale wrote: If this is a little high, what would be the best way to defrag it? By not defragging it. It's not Windows. Windows boxes needs

[gentoo-user] Quieting a 2-speed, loud CPU fan

2008-11-28 Thread Grant
I just upgraded my AMD X2 4000+ to a 6000+. The fan that came with the 4000+ always sounded like it had one speed and it was quiet. The 6000+ comes with a fan that seems to have two speeds and the faster speed is pretty loud. Can I get the fan to never increase to the higher speed? - Grant

Re: [gentoo-user] Fragmentation of my drives. Curious mostly

2008-11-28 Thread Joshua Murphy
On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 12:24 PM, Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joshua Murphy wrote: While not trying to incite flames here... xfs isn't general purpose? xfs_fsr defrags xfs partitions while they're mounted and is designed to be used from cron (it's in xfsdump, not xfsprogs). File

[gentoo-user] Re: best practice for kernel mainteneance

2008-11-28 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
Thanasis wrote: The question is: Am I supposed/ should I upgrade when a new source tree becomes stable? From a security point of view, you're supposed to upgrade the kernel as soon as a release is made upstream. When a security fix is made upstream, the vulnerability in question has been

[gentoo-user] Re: Quieting a 2-speed, loud CPU fan

2008-11-28 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
Grant wrote: I just upgraded my AMD X2 4000+ to a 6000+. The fan that came with the 4000+ always sounded like it had one speed and it was quiet. The 6000+ comes with a fan that seems to have two speeds and the faster speed is pretty loud. Can I get the fan to never increase to the higher

Re: [gentoo-user] Fragmentation of my drives. Curious mostly

2008-11-28 Thread Dale
Joshua Murphy wrote: On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 12:24 PM, Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Given my experience with XFS, I won't be switching anytime soon. I used that once on a in-laws system. After each crash, power failure, I had to reinstall. Let's just say it left a bad taste in my

[gentoo-user] Re: Fragmentation of my drives. Curious mostly

2008-11-28 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
Alan McKinnon wrote: On Friday 28 November 2008 13:14:42 Dale wrote: If this is a little high, what would be the best way to defrag it? By not defragging it. It's not Windows. Windows boxes needs defragging not because fragmentation is a huge problem in itself, but because windows

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Quieting a 2-speed, loud CPU fan

2008-11-28 Thread Dale
Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Grant wrote: I just upgraded my AMD X2 4000+ to a 6000+. The fan that came with the 4000+ always sounded like it had one speed and it was quiet. The 6000+ comes with a fan that seems to have two speeds and the faster speed is pretty loud. Can I get the fan to never

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: best practice for kernel maintenance

2008-11-28 Thread Thanasis
on 11/28/2008 07:59 PM Nikos Chantziaras wrote the following: Thanasis wrote: The question is: Am I supposed/ should I upgrade when a new source tree becomes stable? From a security point of view, you're supposed to upgrade the kernel as soon as a release is made upstream. When a security

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Quieting a 2-speed, loud CPU fan

2008-11-28 Thread Grant
I just upgraded my AMD X2 4000+ to a 6000+. The fan that came with the 4000+ always sounded like it had one speed and it was quiet. The 6000+ comes with a fan that seems to have two speeds and the faster speed is pretty loud. Can I get the fan to never increase to the higher speed?

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Fragmentation of my drives. Curious mostly

2008-11-28 Thread Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto
[...] what would be the best way to defrag it? By not defragging it. It's not Windows. Windows boxes needs defragging not because fragmentation is a huge problem in itself, but because windows filesystems are a steaming mess of [EMAIL PROTECTED] that do little right and most things wrong.

[gentoo-user] Re: best practice for kernel maintenance

2008-11-28 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
Thanasis wrote: on 11/28/2008 07:59 PM Nikos Chantziaras wrote the following: Thanasis wrote: The question is: Am I supposed/ should I upgrade when a new source tree becomes stable? From a security point of view, you're supposed to upgrade the kernel as soon as a release is made upstream.

[gentoo-user] Re: Fragmentation of my drives. Curious mostly

2008-11-28 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto wrote: [...] what would be the best way to defrag it? By not defragging it. It's not Windows. Windows boxes needs defragging not because fragmentation is a huge problem in itself, but because windows filesystems are a steaming mess of [EMAIL PROTECTED] that do

Re: [gentoo-user] Fragmentation of my drives. Curious mostly

2008-11-28 Thread Alan Mackenzie
Hi, Dale! On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 05:14:42AM -0600, Dale wrote: Hi folks, I have a pretty old install tho I have moved it from one drive to another once, using cp -av. It got to big for the old hard drive. Anyway, the install is about 5 years old or so and about 3 years since it got

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: best practice for kernel maintenance

2008-11-28 Thread Thanasis
on 11/28/2008 09:27 PM Nikos Chantziaras wrote the following: Thanasis wrote: on 11/28/2008 07:59 PM Nikos Chantziaras wrote the following: Thanasis wrote: The question is: Am I supposed/ should I upgrade when a new source tree becomes stable? From a security point of view, you're supposed

Re: [gentoo-user] Quieting a 2-speed, loud CPU fan

2008-11-28 Thread Vladimir Rusinov
Limit your 6000+ cpu frequency using cpufreq (so it would become 4000+ and fan would not spin up). :) On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 8:32 PM, Grant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just upgraded my AMD X2 4000+ to a 6000+. The fan that came with the 4000+ always sounded like it had one speed and it was

Re: [gentoo-user] Quieting a 2-speed, loud CPU fan

2008-11-28 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Friday 28 November 2008, Grant wrote: I just upgraded my AMD X2 4000+ to a 6000+. The fan that came with the 4000+ always sounded like it had one speed and it was quiet. The 6000+ comes with a fan that seems to have two speeds and the faster speed is pretty loud. Can I get the fan to

Re: [gentoo-user] Installation problems on AMD64 box

2008-11-28 Thread Stroller
On 28 Nov 2008, at 11:56, Iain Buchanan wrote: R C Mitchell wrote: I use Ubuntu for every day but as my box has a spare 40GB hard disk I decided to have a go at installing Gentoo on it for evaluation ... I'm in complete denial over this blatant non-specific hardware fault ... IFIFY.

Re: [gentoo-user] Fragmentation of my drives. Curious mostly

2008-11-28 Thread Stroller
On 28 Nov 2008, at 16:31, Florian Philipp wrote: ... I'm wondering, why is Windows that bad in this regard? Of course, FAT* is bad, but what's about NTFS? It is at least as modern as most Linux FS and has some nice features. Surely MS should be capable of implementing the same allocation

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Fragmentation of my drives. Curious mostly

2008-11-28 Thread Stroller
On 28 Nov 2008, at 19:27, Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto wrote: ... I don't buy into that argument and never did. Every few months I copy the whole HD to another one and then back to counter fragmentation (ext3) and the system becomes noticeably faster after doing it (speed increase in

[gentoo-user] Re: Quieting a 2-speed, loud CPU fan

2008-11-28 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Friday 28 November 2008, Grant wrote: I just upgraded my AMD X2 4000+ to a 6000+. The fan that came with the 4000+ always sounded like it had one speed and it was quiet. The 6000+ comes with a fan that seems to have two speeds and the faster speed is pretty

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Quieting a 2-speed, loud CPU fan

2008-11-28 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Friday 28 November 2008, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Friday 28 November 2008, Grant wrote: I just upgraded my AMD X2 4000+ to a 6000+. The fan that came with the 4000+ always sounded like it had one speed and it was quiet. The 6000+ comes with a fan that

Re: [gentoo-user] Installation problems on AMD64 box

2008-11-28 Thread Iain Buchanan
Stroller wrote: On 28 Nov 2008, at 11:56, Iain Buchanan wrote: R C Mitchell wrote: I use Ubuntu for every day but as my box has a spare 40GB hard disk I decided to have a go at installing Gentoo on it for evaluation ... I'm in complete denial over this blatant non-specific hardware fault ...

[gentoo-user] Cannot login with publickey on sshd

2008-11-28 Thread Mick
Hi All, For some reason my Gentoo rsa public key is not liked by 3.9p1-11.el4_7 sshd, which is running on a CentOS server. On the Gentoo machine I am running net-misc/openssh-5.1_p1-r1. This is what it shows: === debug1: fd 3 clearing O_NONBLOCK

[gentoo-user] Re: Installation problems on AMD64 box

2008-11-28 Thread »Q«
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Iain Buchanan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IFIFY? $ wtf IFIFY IFIFY: nothing appropriate I fixed it for you, indicating that the quoted text has been altered. More common IME is IFYPFY, for I fixed your post for you, but that's also unknown to wtf. Hmm, IME is also

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Fragmentation of my drives. Curious mostly

2008-11-28 Thread Dale
Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto wrote: [...] what would be the best way to defrag it? By not defragging it. It's not Windows. Windows boxes needs defragging not because fragmentation is a huge problem in itself, but because windows filesystems are a steaming mess of [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [gentoo-user] Fragmentation of my drives. Curious mostly

2008-11-28 Thread Dale
Alan Mackenzie wrote: Hi, Dale! On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 05:14:42AM -0600, Dale wrote: Hi folks, I have a pretty old install tho I have moved it from one drive to another once, using cp -av. It got to big for the old hard drive. Anyway, the install is about 5 years old or so

Re: [gentoo-user] Wiress Question...

2008-11-28 Thread BRM
True it is. I have a simple 128-bit WEP setup presently - I use to have a system that couldn't handle WPA so I didn't set it up for WPA; I think I could now, but I don't have the time quite at the moment. Any how...wpa_supplicant didn't like the key (see below); thus my original e-mail.

Re: [gentoo-user] Cannot login with publickey on sshd

2008-11-28 Thread Eric Martin
Mick wrote: Hi All, For some reason my Gentoo rsa public key is not liked by 3.9p1-11.el4_7 sshd, which is running on a CentOS server. On the Gentoo machine I am running net-misc/openssh-5.1_p1-r1. This is what it shows: === debug1: fd 3

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT] filesystems

2008-11-28 Thread Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto
On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 10:12 AM, Daniel Troeder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Mittwoch, den 26.11.2008, 15:26 +0100 schrieb Florian Philipp: As for my photos, I can back all the collection to a single DVD (and to a second one, since I keep hearing that DVD-Rs are unreliable), and since I

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT] filesystems

2008-11-28 Thread Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto
On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 12:26 PM, Florian Philipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As for my photos, I can back all the collection to a single DVD (and to a second one, since I keep hearing that DVD-Rs are unreliable), and since I don't take new photos every week, this solution is fine. A second

[gentoo-user] pager independant of window manager

2008-11-28 Thread Harry Putnam
Can anyone tell me if there is a desktop pager that can be run regardless of window manager? I suspect the kde (kpager) might do it but I'm not willing to fuss with the kdelibs and qt-3.3 pkgs required to install it. Browsing through portage, It appears there is not such a critter.

Re: [gentoo-user] pager independant of window manager

2008-11-28 Thread Dirk Heinrichs
Am Samstag, 29. November 2008 07:30:03 schrieb Harry Putnam: Can anyone tell me if there is a desktop pager that can be run regardless of window manager? Browsing through portage, It appears there is not such a critter. xterm -e less filename otherwise: eix pager HTH... Dirk