[gentoo-user] Failed to emerge gnome-base/gnome-panel-2.24.2

2008-12-22 Thread Andrew Gaydenko
Building ends with the error shown below. Have not found an appropriate bug. As the app is very spreaded, I can assume something wrong on my system. Are all happy with building the app? I'm on ~amd64. ... file=`echo b...@latin | sed

Re: [gentoo-user] Failed to emerge gnome-base/gnome-panel-2.24.2

2008-12-22 Thread Fabrice Delliaux
Le Mon, 22 Dec 2008 11:22:03 +0300, Andrew Gaydenko a écrit : Building ends with the error shown below. Have not found an appropriate bug. As the app is very spreaded, I can assume something wrong on my system. Are all happy with building the app? I'm on ~amd64. Seems to be a wrong patch

Re: [gentoo-user] Hard to find netiquette, enculturation bug. (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] GNOME: Cant logout and Lock Screen is showing different background from GNOME screensaver)

2008-12-22 Thread b.n.
John J. Foster ha scritto: On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 09:32:26AM +0800, Mark David Dumlao wrote: I think you're missing the point. I never asked the community to change its rules. I'm only saying that these particular rules were invisible, and there's no way to find out about it, and that's going

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Bold, italics, underscore convention (Was: Hard to find netiquette, enculturation bug.)

2008-12-22 Thread b.n.
Willie Wong ha scritto: Starting a new thread because this is getting way off topic (both re: gentoo or re: the topic under discussion in the other thread) On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 11:25:12PM -0600, Penguin Lover ??Q?? squawked: On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 23:05:58 -0600 Steven Susbauer

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Bold, italics, underscore convention (Was: Hard to find netiquette, enculturation bug.)

2008-12-22 Thread Dale
b.n. wrote: Willie Wong ha scritto: Starting a new thread because this is getting way off topic (both re: gentoo or re: the topic under discussion in the other thread) On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 11:25:12PM -0600, Penguin Lover ??Q?? squawked: On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 23:05:58 -0600 Steven

Re: [gentoo-user] Hard to find netiquette, enculturation bug. (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] GNOME: Cant logout and Lock Screen is showing different background from GNOME screensaver)

2008-12-22 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 09:06:07 +0800, Mark David Dumlao wrote: It doesn't matter that there isn't a formal rule. What matters is there is no way to find out about the de-facto rule in one of the standard use-cases of a mailing list - which is to just ask a few quick questions and filter out any

Re: [gentoo-user] Hard to find netiquette, enculturation bug. (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] GNOME: Cant logout and Lock Screen is showing different background from GNOME screensaver)

2008-12-22 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 09:53:07 +0800, Mark David Dumlao wrote: As I said there aren't even any terms to search for when you're getting ignored. If I had known that the problem was html mails from the start, then i would have already corrected the issue before searching the archive. You're

Re: [gentoo-user] Moving to 2008 profile: I cannot upgrade baselayout....

2008-12-22 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 00:46:55 +, Jean-Marc Paulin wrote: emerge --oneshot util-linux Blocked as well: # emerge --oneshot util-linux Calculating dependencies... done! [ebuild U ] sys-apps/util-linux-2.14.1 [2.12i-r1] USE=-loop-aes% -old-linux% -slang% (-uclibc) -unicode%

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: depclean wants to wipe out KDE3

2008-12-22 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 02:18:27 +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: OK, now I'm really curious; turns out they are NOT dependencies :P I just checked with equery and nothing depends on them. Is that normal? I mean, startkde for example is crucial to even start KDE 3 and it's not a dependency?

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: depclean wants to wipe out KDE3

2008-12-22 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 03:57:22 +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: And how is putting KDE4 in /usr/kde going to help in this? What difference does it make if the wrong path is chosen? Surely, it doesn't matter a bit how that path looks like if it's wrong. If a KDE4 path would come before a KDE3

Re: [gentoo-user] Moving to 2008 profile: I cannot upgrade baselayout....

2008-12-22 Thread Conway S. Smith
On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 00:46:55 + Jean-Marc Paulin jm.pau...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 11:40 PM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 11:13:01 +, Jean-Marc Paulin wrote: [blocks B ] sys-apps/util-linux-2.13 (is blocking

Re: [gentoo-user] Hard to find netiquette, enculturation bug. (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] GNOME: Cant logout and Lock Screen is showing different background from GNOME screensaver)

2008-12-22 Thread Stroller
I intended to stay silent, however I feel obliged to balance the posts from brullonu...@gmail.com On 22 Dec 2008, at 05:31, Willie Wong wrote: ... But as the thread drags on, your stubborn defense against other posters who request that you drop the subject already because ... *) your

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: depclean wants to wipe out KDE3

2008-12-22 Thread Dale
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 03:57:22 +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: And how is putting KDE4 in /usr/kde going to help in this? What difference does it make if the wrong path is chosen? Surely, it doesn't matter a bit how that path looks like if it's wrong. If a KDE4

Re: [gentoo-user] Hard to find netiquette, enculturation bug. (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] GNOME: Cant logout and Lock Screen is showing different background from GNOME screensaver)

2008-12-22 Thread Stroller
I intended to stay silent, however I feel obliged to balance the posts from brullonu...@gmail.com On 22 Dec 2008, at 02:46, Willie Wong wrote: ... You are still under one assumption: that if you had sent your e-mail in plain text, you won't be ignored. Granted that you will be ignored less

Re: [gentoo-user] Hard to find netiquette, enculturation bug. (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] GNOME: Cant logout and Lock Screen is showing different background from GNOME screensaver)

2008-12-22 Thread Stroller
On 22 Dec 2008, at 01:06, Mark David Dumlao wrote: On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 7:58 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: Am I the only one here that sees this is a stupid and completely irrelevant thread? HTML mail is like farting when you meet the Queen - you just don't do it.

Re: [gentoo-user] Hard to find netiquette, enculturation bug. (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] GNOME: Cant logout and Lock Screen is showing different background from GNOME screensaver)

2008-12-22 Thread b.n.
Stroller ha scritto: I intended to stay silent, however I feel obliged to balance the posts from brullonu...@gmail.com You could answer to my emails, argumenting in detail. I hope we're not here to score points, but to understand what to do to solve the situation. In my humble opinion, just

Re: [gentoo-user] Hard to find netiquette, enculturation bug. (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] GNOME: Cant logout and Lock Screen is showing different background from GNOME screensaver)

2008-12-22 Thread Stroller
On 21 Dec 2008, at 09:46, Mark David Dumlao wrote: ... On perhaps my third or fourth repost, I found a shocking answer: On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 8:24 AM, Nicolas Sebrecht ... You may try by sending a mail using the text format instead of the HTML one. I don't read more than one line when

Re: [gentoo-user] mplayer-1.0_rc2_p28058-r1 USE dvdnav

2008-12-22 Thread Daniel Pielmeier
2008/12/22 Stroller strol...@stellar.eclipse.co.uk: On 22 Dec 2008, at 05:36, Willie Wong wrote: On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 04:52:54AM +, Penguin Lover Stroller squawked: On 20 Dec 2008, at 04:34, Arttu V. wrote: On 12/20/08, Willie Wong ww...@princeton.edu wrote: I think you can try

Re: [gentoo-user] Moving to 2008 profile: I cannot upgrade baselayout....

2008-12-22 Thread Jean-Marc Paulin
This is probably because setarch got included in newer util-linux versions. Thanks to all of you. I did unmerge setarch, and the emerge is now on its way. I just did not know that setarch was included in the newer util-linux, hence was scared to remove it just like that... Neil: I did google

[gentoo-user] Re: depclean wants to wipe out KDE3

2008-12-22 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
Dale wrote: Neil Bothwick wrote: On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 03:57:22 +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: And how is putting KDE4 in /usr/kde going to help in this? What difference does it make if the wrong path is chosen? Surely, it doesn't matter a bit how that path looks like if it's wrong. If

[gentoo-user] Re: depclean wants to wipe out KDE3

2008-12-22 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 03:57:22 +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: And how is putting KDE4 in /usr/kde going to help in this? What difference does it make if the wrong path is chosen? Surely, it doesn't matter a bit how that path looks like if it's wrong. If a KDE4 path

[gentoo-user] Network printing

2008-12-22 Thread Peter Humphrey
Hello, This follows from the printing-from-windows thread; it's not confined to Windows. Thanks to Mark K for his help so far. To recap: My network server box has two USB printers attached: a Kyocera FS1020D laser, which works just fine, and an HP Deskjet D4260, which doesn't: I can print to

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: depclean wants to wipe out KDE3

2008-12-22 Thread Dale
Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Neil Bothwick wrote: On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 03:57:22 +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: And how is putting KDE4 in /usr/kde going to help in this? What difference does it make if the wrong path is chosen? Surely, it doesn't matter a bit how that path looks like if it's

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: depclean wants to wipe out KDE3

2008-12-22 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 13:37:08 +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Because /usr/bin will always be in your PATH, so even if you are running a KDE 3 session, KDE4 programs will be loaded. Why would they? /usr/kde/3.5/bin comes first in KDE 3 sessions and last in KDE 4 sessions. There's no

Re: [gentoo-user] Hard to find netiquette, enculturation bug. (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] GNOME: Cant logout and Lock Screen is showing different background from GNOME screensaver)

2008-12-22 Thread b.n.
Stroller ha scritto: On 21 Dec 2008, at 09:46, Mark David Dumlao wrote: ... On perhaps my third or fourth repost, I found a shocking answer: On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 8:24 AM, Nicolas Sebrecht ... You may try by sending a mail using the text format instead of the HTML one. I don't read

Re: [gentoo-user] Moving to 2008 profile: I cannot upgrade baselayout....

2008-12-22 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 11:35:38 +, Jean-Marc Paulin wrote: Neil: I did google for it, but I guess not in the right place. Will try harder next time. Googling for setarch site:archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-user found it, but the Gentoo mailing list archives are not exactly well signposted :( --

Re: [gentoo-user] Hard to find netiquette, enculturation bug. (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] GNOME: Cant logout and Lock Screen is showing different background from GNOME screensaver)

2008-12-22 Thread Stroller
On 22 Dec 2008, at 11:33, b.n. wrote: Stroller ha scritto: I intended to stay silent, however I feel obliged to balance the posts from brullonu...@gmail.com You could answer to my emails, argumenting in detail. I hope we're not here to score points, but to understand what to do to solve

Re: [gentoo-user] Hard to find netiquette, enculturation bug. (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] GNOME: Cant logout and Lock Screen is showing different background from GNOME screensaver)

2008-12-22 Thread Stroller
On 22 Dec 2008, at 12:59, b.n. wrote: ... I don't know what you mean by using the adjective cold in relation to the communication error that your mailer posts HTML by default. You should file an upstream bug about that with whomever supplies it. Why is posting HTML mail a bug? I don't like

Re: [gentoo-user] mplayer-1.0_rc2_p28058-r1 USE dvdnav

2008-12-22 Thread Stroller
On 22 Dec 2008, at 11:33, Daniel Pielmeier wrote: ... The problem was that the dvdnav USE-flag was masked and you unmasked the mplayer and dvdnav packages in the first place. This did not affect the mplayer package that was built without dvdnav support as the flag was still deactivated. Here

[gentoo-user] Re: depclean wants to wipe out KDE3

2008-12-22 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
Dale wrote: Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Neil Bothwick wrote: On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 03:57:22 +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: And how is putting KDE4 in /usr/kde going to help in this? What difference does it make if the wrong path is chosen? Surely, it doesn't matter a bit how that path looks

Re: [gentoo-user] Hard to find netiquette, enculturation bug. (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] GNOME: Cant logout and Lock Screen is showing different background from GNOME screensaver)

2008-12-22 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Montag 22 Dezember 2008, b.n. wrote: The user is complaining of a *damn serious* problem. His emails were ignored for an undocumented formatting community rule, and it made impossible for him to use the mailing list, without anything alarming him of the problem until late. no. His mails

[gentoo-user] Re: depclean wants to wipe out KDE3

2008-12-22 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 13:37:08 +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Because /usr/bin will always be in your PATH, so even if you are running a KDE 3 session, KDE4 programs will be loaded. Why would they? /usr/kde/3.5/bin comes first in KDE 3 sessions and last in KDE 4

Re: [gentoo-user] Hard to find netiquette, enculturation bug. (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] GNOME: Cant logout and Lock Screen is showing different background from GNOME screensaver)

2008-12-22 Thread b.n.
Volker Armin Hemmann ha scritto: On Montag 22 Dezember 2008, b.n. wrote: The user is complaining of a *damn serious* problem. His emails were ignored for an undocumented formatting community rule, and it made impossible for him to use the mailing list, without anything alarming him of the

Re: [gentoo-user] Hard to find netiquette, enculturation bug. (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] GNOME: Cant logout and Lock Screen is showing different background from GNOME screensaver)

2008-12-22 Thread b.n.
Stroller ha scritto: On 22 Dec 2008, at 12:59, b.n. wrote: ... I don't know what you mean by using the adjective cold in relation to the communication error that your mailer posts HTML by default. You should file an upstream bug about that with whomever supplies it. Why is posting HTML

Re: [gentoo-user] Hard to find netiquette, enculturation bug. (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] GNOME: Cant logout and Lock Screen is showing different background from GNOME screensaver)

2008-12-22 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 10:02 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann volker.armin.hemm...@tu-clausthal.de wrote: Please. He's completely right in demanding apologies and a swift reaction to the problem -because if users cannot access the list due to undocumented stuff, it's a problem. no, he is absolutly

Re: [gentoo-user] Hard to find netiquette, enculturation bug. (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] GNOME: Cant logout and Lock Screen is showing different background from GNOME screensaver)

2008-12-22 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Montag 22 Dezember 2008, b.n. wrote: Volker Armin Hemmann ha scritto: And what's even worse, instead of people concerning about that and how to solve the situation in the future, there is a lot of people giggling and behaving like OMG H4X0RZ against the lame n00b , ignoring the fact

Re: [gentoo-user] Awesome vs Xmonad

2008-12-22 Thread Andreas Niederl
Hi, Man Shankar wrote: Hello, I want to try out the tiling window managers. I would want to know the experiences of the users about awesome and xmonad. Primarily i would like to know which of those two tiling WMs has worked for you guys. The hurdles you encountered and the gains you got

[gentoo-user] Re: video driver discovery

2008-12-22 Thread Harry Putnam
Robert Bridge rob...@robbieab.com writes: On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 18:35:35 + (UTC) James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: How can I verify which driver(version) it is using? Read /etc/log/Xorg.0/log It will tell you which driver it loaded. Sorry to butt in here.. but Robert can you show a

Re: [gentoo-user] Hard to find netiquette, enculturation bug. (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] GNOME: Cant logout and Lock Screen is showing different background from GNOME screensaver)

2008-12-22 Thread Dale
b.n. wrote: We -the plain text fans- are the weird ones. m. I do a lot of text only to but I do like that one. Dale :-) :-)

[gentoo-user] Gentoo File Manager

2008-12-22 Thread Mick
Hi All, I am trying out the Gentoo File Manager, but have run aground with the way it opens certain types of files. How can I create an association to e.g. use xpdf to open pdf files and OOo (oowriter) to open .odt and .doc files? All I get now is a plain text editor firing up and opening

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo File Manager

2008-12-22 Thread Erik Hahn
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 05:05:46PM +, Mick wrote: Hi All, I am trying out the Gentoo File Manager, but have run aground with the way it opens certain types of files. How can I create an association to e.g. use xpdf to open pdf files and OOo (oowriter) to open .odt and .doc files? All

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: video driver discovery

2008-12-22 Thread Robert Bridge
On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 10:23:14 -0600 Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com wrote: Robert Bridge rob...@robbieab.com writes: On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 18:35:35 + (UTC) James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: How can I verify which driver(version) it is using? Read /etc/log/Xorg.0/log It will

Re: [gentoo-user] mplayer-1.0_rc2_p28058-r1 USE dvdnav

2008-12-22 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Monday 22 December 2008 15:43:24 Stroller wrote: On 22 Dec 2008, at 11:33, Daniel Pielmeier wrote: ... The problem was that the dvdnav USE-flag was masked and you unmasked the mplayer and dvdnav packages in the first place. This did not affect the mplayer package that was built without

Re: [gentoo-user] Network printing

2008-12-22 Thread BRM
I haven't been able to follow all of this, though some of it has been of interest to me since I have a Vista 64 system I am trying to working with my server's HP DeskJet 950C. From what you describe below, it sounds like the HP USB printer is on the Network Server and you are trying to attach

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo File Manager

2008-12-22 Thread Mick
On Monday 22 December 2008, Erik Hahn wrote: On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 05:05:46PM +, Mick wrote: Hi All, I am trying out the Gentoo File Manager, but have run aground with the way it opens certain types of files. How can I create an association to e.g. use xpdf to open pdf files and

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo File Manager

2008-12-22 Thread Robert Bridge
On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 17:05:46 + Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, I am trying out the Gentoo File Manager, but have run aground with the way it opens certain types of files. How can I create an association to e.g. use xpdf to open pdf files and OOo (oowriter) to open .odt

Re: [gentoo-user] Hard to find netiquette, enculturation bug. (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] GNOME: Cant logout and Lock Screen is showing different background from GNOME screensaver)

2008-12-22 Thread Steven Susbauer
Stroller wrote: It's a bug because it annoys people. It only tends to annoy me when the sender has set the text to a size which is unreadable or intrusive on my monitor (a size which is undoubtedly perfect on the sender's 800x600 monitor), but it appears to annoy other people more. That

[gentoo-user] Re: video driver discovery

2008-12-22 Thread James
Robert Bridge robert at robbieab.com writes: How can I verify which driver(version) it is using? Read /etc/log/Xorg.0/log It will tell you which driver it loaded. Funny, I have not /etc/log dir on any gentoo system? I do not have an /etc/X11/log dir either How do you set up your

[gentoo-user] Re: video driver discovery

2008-12-22 Thread James
Robert Bridge robert at robbieab.com writes: Its probably right in front of me, but I'm not seeing it, or not recognizing what I see as being very useful I guess. (II) LoadModule: nvidia (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//nvidia_drv.so (II) Module nvidia: vendor=NVIDIA

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: video driver discovery

2008-12-22 Thread Robert Bridge
On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 19:46:31 + (UTC) James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: Robert Bridge robert at robbieab.com writes: How can I verify which driver(version) it is using? Read /etc/log/Xorg.0/log It will tell you which driver it loaded. Funny, I have not /etc/log dir on

[gentoo-user] Re: video driver discovery

2008-12-22 Thread James
Robert Bridge robert at robbieab.com writes: My bad, by typoing /etc where I mean /var Now when you've quite finished kicking me when I'm down... :P Sorry you took it that way Anyway, the previous post did say I found /var/log and the X log files. Sure, I'm a little frustrated

Re: [gentoo-user] Hard to find netiquette, enculturation bug. (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] GNOME: Cant logout and Lock Screen is showing different background from GNOME screensaver)

2008-12-22 Thread Stroller
On 22 Dec 2008, at 18:23, Steven Susbauer wrote: Stroller wrote: ... Mailers should default to plain text unless the user explicitly chooses otherwise. ... Mailers should also default to useful column sizes, which seem to have failed in the case of your last message. Keith Moore's [1]

Re: [gentoo-user] mplayer-1.0_rc2_p28058-r1 USE dvdnav

2008-12-22 Thread Stroller
On 22 Dec 2008, at 17:51, Alan McKinnon wrote: ... I would prefer it if Portage handled this without USE flag masking being necessary. If the required package is masked, or needs some other keyword, then IMO `emerge -p mplayer` should simply give an unable to fulfil this USE - packages may be

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: video driver discovery

2008-12-22 Thread Robert Bridge
On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 21:42:20 + (UTC) James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: Robert Bridge robert at robbieab.com writes: My bad, by typoing /etc where I mean /var Now when you've quite finished kicking me when I'm down... :P Sorry you took it that way I'm not offended. If

Re: [gentoo-user] mplayer-1.0_rc2_p28058-r1 USE dvdnav

2008-12-22 Thread Arttu V.
On 12/22/08, Willie Wong ww...@princeton.edu wrote: HAHA! Arttu, you also have a typo! ;) The file should be in /etc/portage/profile/package.use.mask Note that 'profile' is singular, not plural. Sorry, must've been the fever and cold I've been having for the last couple of days. But true,

Re: [gentoo-user] mplayer-1.0_rc2_p28058-r1 USE dvdnav

2008-12-22 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Tuesday 23 December 2008 00:07:40 Stroller wrote: On 22 Dec 2008, at 17:51, Alan McKinnon wrote: ... I would prefer it if Portage handled this without USE flag masking being necessary. If the required package is masked, or needs some other keyword, then IMO `emerge -p mplayer` should

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: video driver discovery

2008-12-22 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Tuesday 23 December 2008 00:09:19 Robert Bridge wrote: Sure, I'm a little frustrated with the fact that discovering the actual video driver file is such a nightmare. It should be a simple little command of a script one can alias to a simple command string. I'm not  meaning to bash you,

Re: [gentoo-user] Hard to find netiquette, enculturation bug. (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] GNOME: Cant logout and Lock Screen is showing different background from GNOME screensaver)

2008-12-22 Thread Arttu V.
On 12/22/08, Volker Armin Hemmann volker.armin.hemm...@tu-clausthal.de wrote: no. His mails were ignored because nobody had an answer. Shown by the fact that nobody complained about his triple posting or html mails. This is my favourite conspiracy theory as well, not the no-html-theories. We've

Re: [gentoo-user] Hard to find netiquette, enculturation bug. (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] GNOME: Cant logout and Lock Screen is showing different background from GNOME screensaver)

2008-12-22 Thread Stroller
On 22 Dec 2008, at 23:18, Stroller wrote: ... I am currently searching my subscription info, the gentoo site, or the mailing list welcome for any hints that html messages are rude or unwanted. I am having some difficulty finding it, that alone is a warning sign that the amount of

Re: [gentoo-user] Hard to find netiquette, enculturation bug. (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] GNOME: Cant logout and Lock Screen is showing different background from GNOME screensaver)

2008-12-22 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Montag 22 Dezember 2008, Arttu V. wrote: *If you're so sure it's the html in his emails, then why don't you answer his questions about Gnome?* well, I saw his mails - and I did not react to them, because I don't use gnome since the 2.0 disaster. Since then I am a happy KDE-only user. Not

Re: [gentoo-user] Hard to find netiquette, enculturation bug. (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] GNOME: Cant logout and Lock Screen is showing different background from GNOME screensaver)

2008-12-22 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Dienstag 23 Dezember 2008, Stroller wrote: One reason your post generated so many responses is that *everyone* has posted once in HTML and been asked not to. not me. And others did not too. Because 'no html' is a common thing for user related mailing lists.

Re: [gentoo-user] Hard to find netiquette, enculturation bug. (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] GNOME: Cant logout and Lock Screen is showing different background from GNOME screensaver)

2008-12-22 Thread Arttu V.
On 12/23/08, Volker Armin Hemmann volker.armin.hemm...@tu-clausthal.de wrote: On Montag 22 Dezember 2008, Arttu V. wrote: *If you're so sure it's the html in his emails, then why don't you answer his questions about Gnome?* well, I saw his mails - and I did not react to them, because I

Re: [gentoo-user] Hard to find netiquette, enculturation bug. (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] GNOME: Cant logout and Lock Screen is showing different background from GNOME screensaver)

2008-12-22 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 7:18 AM, Stroller strol...@stellar.eclipse.co.uk wrote: You are not stupid. I think your use of English is excellent, you just have to decide upon how you wish to present yourself. Stroller, all I can say is that you are reading too much into my posts and trying to

Re: [gentoo-user] Hard to find netiquette, enculturation bug. (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] GNOME: Cant logout and Lock Screen is showing different background from GNOME screensaver)

2008-12-22 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Dienstag 23 Dezember 2008, Arttu V. wrote: since the 2.0 disaster. Since then I am a happy KDE-only user. Not using gnome makes me skip gnome threads automatically - the few things I remember back from the 1.4 days won't help anyway. I run KDE as well (so maybe I'm biased to comment

Re: [gentoo-user] Hard to find netiquette, enculturation bug. (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] GNOME: Cant logout and Lock Screen is showing different background from GNOME screensaver)

2008-12-22 Thread Mark David Dumlao
Oh and just to make it clear once and for all, I was perfectly fine with the idea that my problems might go ignored, and in fact my running assumption all this time was that nobody knew or was interested in my particular problems. That's how mailing lists work. Sometimes you win, sometimes you

Re: [gentoo-user] Hard to find netiquette, enculturation bug. (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] GNOME: Cant logout and Lock Screen is showing different background from GNOME screensaver)

2008-12-22 Thread Stroller
On 23 Dec 2008, at 00:47, Mark David Dumlao wrote: ... Stroller, all I can say is that you are reading too much into my posts and trying to second-guess my intentions. ... If you're that emotionally invested in getting offended by my style, then have a nice day. That's right. Because it

[gentoo-user] Re: video driver discovery

2008-12-22 Thread James
Alan McKinnon alan.mckinnon at gmail.com writes: In cases where a quick command to display something doesn't exist, it's usually because it never occurred to the developer that there could be another way I find in my own experience that I usually know what driver is being used - I set

[gentoo-user] Re: video driver discovery

2008-12-22 Thread James
Alan McKinnon alan.mckinnon at gmail.com writes: grepping a log file is the most natural way for an experienced unix admin to do it. It's a useful skill, all newbies should be encouraged (but not required) to learn it. Sometimes we experienced admin types lose sight of the fact that

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: video driver discovery

2008-12-22 Thread Dale
James wrote: But, that is the best/only method? James There is a way to do this. I used it once but I can't remember the command and I can't find anything in the old emails. I have emails going back a lng time but maybe not far enough and not sure if my search terms are worth a

Re: [gentoo-user] Hard to find netiquette, enculturation bug. (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] GNOME: Cant logout and Lock Screen is showing different background from GNOME screensaver)

2008-12-22 Thread Joshua Murphy
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 7:47 PM, Mark David Dumlao madum...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 7:18 AM, Stroller strol...@stellar.eclipse.co.uk wrote: You are not stupid. I think your use of English is excellent, you just have to decide upon how you wish to present yourself. Stroller,

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo File Manager

2008-12-22 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Dienstag 23 Dezember 2008, Dale wrote: Mick wrote: Hi All, I am trying out the Gentoo File Manager, but have run aground with the way it opens certain types of files. How can I create an association to e.g. use xpdf to open pdf files and OOo (oowriter) to open .odt and .doc files?

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo File Manager

2008-12-22 Thread Robert Bridge
On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 20:34:26 -0600 Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Mick wrote: Hi All, I am trying out the Gentoo File Manager, but have run aground with the way it opens certain types of files. How can I create an association to e.g. use xpdf to open pdf files and OOo (oowriter)

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo File Manager

2008-12-22 Thread Dale
Robert Bridge wrote: On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 20:34:26 -0600 Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Mick wrote: Hi All, I am trying out the Gentoo File Manager, but have run aground with the way it opens certain types of files. How can I create an association to e.g. use xpdf to open pdf

[gentoo-user] Seeking advice about backup and partitioning; preparing to dual-boot Linux onto Vista drive

2008-12-22 Thread Kevin O'Gorman
Dude, I'm getting a Dell! It's gonna come with Vista, and I have to use it that way for work. But I want to put a Linux partition on there. So I need to repartition. Having learned to be cautious, I'm wondering if there is a good open-source way to back up about 300GB of NTFS such that I can

Re: [gentoo-user] Seeking advice about backup and partitioning; preparing to dual-boot Linux onto Vista drive

2008-12-22 Thread Dale
Kevin O'Gorman wrote: Dude, I'm getting a Dell! It's gonna come with Vista, and I have to use it that way for work. But I want to put a Linux partition on there. So I need to repartition. Having learned to be cautious, I'm wondering if there is a good open-source way to back up about

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo File Manager

2008-12-22 Thread Mick
On Tuesday 23 December 2008, Dale wrote: Robert Bridge wrote: On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 20:34:26 -0600 Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Mick wrote: Hi All, I am trying out the Gentoo File Manager, but have run aground with the way it opens certain types of files. How can I create an

Re: [gentoo-user] Hard to find netiquette, enculturation bug. (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] GNOME: Cant logout and Lock Screen is showing different background from GNOME screensaver)

2008-12-22 Thread Mark Kirkwood
Mark David Dumlao wrote: (snippage) Half the fun of Gentoo is knowing that you're kinda on your own. Hmm - I think the point of this community is that you are anything but on your own. The (many) other posters have been trying to help you realize that you are much more likely to discover