Re: [gentoo-user] hal - what's the benefit of using it

2009-02-04 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Wednesday 04 February 2009 09:39:15 Helmut Jarausch wrote: Hi, having had some problems with recent xorg version my question is what are the benefits (if any) of building packages with the 'hal' use flag (i.e. adding 'hal' to US='...' in /etc/make.conf) Many thanks for your sharing your

[gentoo-user] Re: hal - what's the benefit of using it

2009-02-04 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
Helmut Jarausch wrote: Hi, having had some problems with recent xorg version my question is what are the benefits (if any) of building packages with the 'hal' use flag (i.e. adding 'hal' to US='...' in /etc/make.conf) The benefit for me is that I plug my USB flash stick in my PC and it pops

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: hal - what's the benefit of using it

2009-02-04 Thread Norberto Bensa
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 6:44 AM, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@arcor.de wrote: The benefit for me is that I plug my USB flash stick in my PC and it pops up in my desktop without me needing to enter voodoo console commands to mount it. +1 That and... this is my xorg.conf : Section Module

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?

2009-02-04 Thread Jesús Guerrero
El Mar, 3 de Febrero de 2009, 23:39, Grant Edwards escribió: Whenever I see a write-up of Gentoo, it's describe as a system similar to BSD ports where you build packages from source. The main benefit claimed for this approach is that you get better performance because all executables are

Re: [gentoo-user] ENTER doesn't work in google.com?

2009-02-04 Thread Dale
Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Am I going crazy? In google.com, when I enter a search query and press ENTER, nothing happens. Note: only on the *English* google.com. You get there by clicking the Google.com in English link. It's this: http://www.google.com/ncr Does the ENTER key work for

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: optimized for your system -- huh?

2009-02-04 Thread Momesso Andrea
On Wed, Feb 04, 2009 at 08:58:23AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Wednesday 04 February 2009 01:48:34 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: So all in all, I agree.  Using Gentoo is nowadays not so much a matter of performance optimization but of better control of how to build the packages and the

[gentoo-user] Re: ENTER doesn't work in google.com?

2009-02-04 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
Dale wrote: Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Am I going crazy? In google.com, when I enter a search query and press ENTER, nothing happens. Note: only on the *English* google.com. You get there by clicking the Google.com in English link. It's this: http://www.google.com/ncr Does the ENTER key

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: optimized for your system -- huh?

2009-02-04 Thread Sebastián Magrí
El mié, 04-02-2009 a las 14:03 +0100, Momesso Andrea escribió: On Wed, Feb 04, 2009 at 08:58:23AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Wednesday 04 February 2009 01:48:34 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: So all in all, I agree. Using Gentoo is nowadays not so much a matter of performance optimization

[gentoo-user] Re: Different servers behind the same router

2009-02-04 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
Momesso Andrea wrote: Looks like my ISP allows both PPPoE and PPPoA. After some superficial googling it looks like PPPoE is preferred over ethernet modems and PPPoA over USB ones... Is it true? Nope. PPPoA is preferred generally, although not strongly so. The difference should be very

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: optimized for your system -- huh?

2009-02-04 Thread Momesso Andrea
On Wed, Feb 04, 2009 at 08:45:50AM -0430, Sebastián Magrí wrote: [snip] Often on gentoo related IRC chanels comes someone who asks why his firefox-bin (or openoffice-bin or *-bin) runs faster than his built-from-source firefox. Usually chan's gurus answer that upstream packagers use

[gentoo-user] /etc/init.d/: ntpd or ntp-client?

2009-02-04 Thread Stroller
Hi there, I just logged into one of my machines that has recently been powered down for a few days - not a terribly common occurrence with my servers - to find a date of January 30th showing. I used to run ntp-client, but AIUI adding this to the default runlevel only sets the clock once

Re: [gentoo-user] /etc/init.d/: ntpd or ntp-client?

2009-02-04 Thread Justin
Stroller schrieb: Hi there, I just logged into one of my machines that has recently been powered down for a few days - not a terribly common occurrence with my servers - to find a date of January 30th showing. I used to run ntp-client, but AIUI adding this to the default runlevel only

[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?

2009-02-04 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
Sebastián Magrí wrote: Also, Gentoo is a great school. If you want to learn how a Linux system works, and really want to learn about Unix systems, then Gentoo is the best for you. I don't get that argument. I didn't learn how Linux or Unix works with Gentoo. I didn't even find my prior

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?

2009-02-04 Thread Jesús Guerrero
El Mie, 4 de Febrero de 2009, 11:08, Nikos Chantziaras escribió: Jesús Guerrero wrote: [...] A big big advantage is that besides the huge number of packages that we have, we also have dozens of overlays. [...] and some of them are really bug. QFT ;) Ouch, I meant big, though that

Re: [gentoo-user] /etc/init.d/: ntpd or ntp-client?

2009-02-04 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Wednesday 04 February 2009 15:38:11 Stroller wrote: Before I do any investigation, can someone tell me if my understanding   so far is correct? Is ntpd supposed to keep the machine's clock in   constant sync, or is it only (say) a server to offer the date to   clients? (depending upon the

[gentoo-user] syslog-ng +bash history

2009-02-04 Thread Marcin Niskiewicz
Hello Everything that is written by users on console is logged in 3 different files (debug , syslog, messages) ... I'd like to route all history logs to one file only... i know how to make a filter which would write it to specific file but still everything is written to other files as well. is

Re: [gentoo-user] ENTER doesn't work in google.com?

2009-02-04 Thread Mark Knecht
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 4:04 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Am I going crazy? In google.com, when I enter a search query and press ENTER, nothing happens. Note: only on the *English* google.com. You get there by clicking the Google.com in English link. It's

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: optimized for your system -- huh?

2009-02-04 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 4 Feb 2009 14:31:26 +0100, Momesso Andrea wrote: Sure, I've used per-package optimizations myself in some particular cases, but that's not the point. A package manteiner *should* know better than an average user which optimizations will tune better their own package. But the user

Re: [gentoo-user] /etc/init.d/: ntpd or ntp-client?

2009-02-04 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 4 Feb 2009 13:38:11 +, Stroller wrote: So when I found the clock to be a week out of date I checked that ntpd appeared to be running (it was) and restarted it. The date remained the same. Stopping ntpd starting ntp-client corrected the date immediately. ntpd will not

Re: [gentoo-user] /etc/init.d/: ntpd or ntp-client?

2009-02-04 Thread Dale
Stroller wrote: Hi there, I just logged into one of my machines that has recently been powered down for a few days - not a terribly common occurrence with my servers - to find a date of January 30th showing. I used to run ntp-client, but AIUI adding this to the default runlevel only sets

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo's advantage: optimized for your system -- huh?

2009-02-04 Thread David W Noon
In message c1cfj-6j...@gated-at.bofh.it, Grant Edwards wrote: Whenever I see a write-up of Gentoo, it's describe as a system similar to BSD ports where you build packages from source. The main benefit claimed for this approach is that you get better performance because all executables are

[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: optimized for your system -- huh?

2009-02-04 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2009-02-04, Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: This thread is not complete without the obligatory link: http://funroll-loops.info/ Brilliant! I really like this one: To me, an extra 0.1% performance increase, even if I am only imagining it to be faster, is certainly

[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?

2009-02-04 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2009-02-04, Jes?s Guerrero i92gu...@terra.es wrote: El Mie, 4 de Febrero de 2009, 8:39, Alan McKinnon escribi?: On Wednesday 04 February 2009 09:27:31 Christopher Walters wrote: I personally don't view Gentoo as a distro in the traditional sense. To me, it's a build system, an app -

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: optimized for your system -- huh?

2009-02-04 Thread Sebastián Magrí
El mié, 04-02-2009 a las 14:31 +0100, Momesso Andrea escribió: On Wed, Feb 04, 2009 at 08:45:50AM -0430, Sebastián Magrí wrote: [snip] Often on gentoo related IRC chanels comes someone who asks why his firefox-bin (or openoffice-bin or *-bin) runs faster than his built-from-source

RE: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: optimized for yoursystem -- huh?

2009-02-04 Thread Prado, Renato (R.P.)
My question can be put like this: Do binary distro's per package optimiziations override the benefit of having arch specific optimiziations that gentoo allows? Thinking about that... I guess a could future for future portage releases would be a USE flag the overrides the system's CFLAGS

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?

2009-02-04 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 4 Feb 2009 15:25:49 + (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote: Except that what you build and maintain isn't a distro, it's a single machine. Why? -- Neil Bothwick WinErr 01B: Illegal error - You are not allowed to get this error. Next time you will get a penalty for that.

Re: [gentoo-user] syslog-ng +bash history

2009-02-04 Thread Yannick Mortier
2009/2/4 Marcin Niskiewicz mniskiew...@gmail.com: Hello Everything that is written by users on console is logged in 3 different files (debug , syslog, messages) ... I'd like to route all history logs to one file only... i know how to make a filter which would write it to specific file but

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: optimized for yoursystem -- huh?

2009-02-04 Thread Yannick Mortier
2009/2/4 Prado, Renato (R.P.) rpr...@visteon.com: My question can be put like this: Do binary distro's per package optimiziations override the benefit of having arch specific optimiziations that gentoo allows? Thinking about that... I guess a could future for future portage releases would be

[gentoo-user] Re: ENTER doesn't work in google.com?

2009-02-04 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
Dale wrote: Nikos Chantziaras wrote: I fixed it with rm -rf ~/.mozilla/firefox :P Not a option here. I would loose ALL my emails too. O_O Is sort of weird tho. I can't imagine your emails being stored in there. Firefox doesn't deal with email. But you can simply mv

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE4.2 compile problem

2009-02-04 Thread Norberto Bensa
On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 9:38 AM, Jerry McBride mcbrid...@comcast.net wrote: If you need more info, feel free to email me direct. why? off-list communications should only be done with off-topic conversations. If you have a solution for him, you should share it with the list so others can find

[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: optimized for your system -- huh?

2009-02-04 Thread James
Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gentoo at gmail.com writes: One *BIG* difference is when the GPUs on video cards are used as co-processors on systems. ATI and Nv are working on making general purpose C languages for programs to take advantage of the power of the GPU. Look for Gentoo to beat

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: libtool problem

2009-02-04 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 03 Feb 2009 22:25:34 -0500, ABCD wrote: The reason there wasn't a bump (IIRC) was that the ebuild never changed - - only the eclass did. If you emerged any version of GCC during the window where the eclass was broken, that version of GCC would have been broken. Of course, I'd

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?

2009-02-04 Thread Jesús Guerrero
El Mie, 4 de Febrero de 2009, 8:39, Alan McKinnon escribió: On Wednesday 04 February 2009 09:27:31 Christopher Walters wrote: I personally don't view Gentoo as a distro in the traditional sense. To me, it's a build system, an app - portage or paludis - and the devs that make cool input files

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Different servers behind the same router

2009-02-04 Thread Momesso Andrea
On Wed, Feb 04, 2009 at 01:36:55AM +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Momesso Andrea wrote: On Tue, Feb 03, 2009 at 05:52:13PM +, Stroller wrote: On 3 Feb 2009, at 17:43, Momesso Andrea wrote: ... What happens if I decide to switch to the router configuration? If I have a single IP for all

[gentoo-user] Re: hal - what's the benefit of using it

2009-02-04 Thread James
Helmut Jarausch jarausch at igpm.rwth-aachen.de writes: having had some problems with recent xorg version my question is what are the benefits (if any) of building packages with the 'hal' use flag (i.e. adding 'hal' to US='...' in /etc/make.conf) This link is short and reasonable.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: optimized for your system -- huh?

2009-02-04 Thread Hazen Valliant-Saunders
With unit processors approaching up to 128 Cores on a single GPU I can see why the guys at all those institutions want to put EL lights in their big hawking 4 card SLI rigs? That's like 1600 Cores on a single system, Even Blue Gene L only has Dual Core PowerPC 440's, whith AMD's 4870 having 800

[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?

2009-02-04 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2009-02-04, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Wed, 4 Feb 2009 15:25:49 + (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote: Except that what you build and maintain isn't a distro, it's a single machine. Why? Do you distribute what you're building as a something for others to use to install Linux?

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ENTER doesn't work in google.com?

2009-02-04 Thread Michael Holmes
2009/2/4 Nikos Chantziaras rea...@arcor.de: I can't imagine your emails being stored in there. Firefox doesn't deal with email. But you can simply mv ~/.mozilla/firefox ~/.mozilla/firefox.backup instead of deleting it just to be safe. He's using Seamonkey, not Firefox.

[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: optimized for your system -- huh?

2009-02-04 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2009-02-04, James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gentoo at gmail.com writes: One *BIG* difference is when the GPUs on video cards are used as co-processors on systems. ATI and Nv are working on making general purpose C languages for programs to take

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: hal - what's the benefit of using it

2009-02-04 Thread Hazen Valliant-Saunders
Um, you are using the HAL weather you want to or not, it's not really an option! The HARDWARE ABSTRACTION LAYER with respect to good ol linux happens to be your kernel and it's drivers. The bare metal registers within which all those bits are moved is called the hardware; all those configuration

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: optimized for your system -- huh?

2009-02-04 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Mittwoch 04 Februar 2009, Momesso Andrea wrote: On Wed, Feb 04, 2009 at 08:58:23AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Wednesday 04 February 2009 01:48:34 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: So all in all, I agree.  Using Gentoo is nowadays not so much a matter of performance optimization but of

[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?

2009-02-04 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
Jesús Guerrero wrote: [...] A big big advantage is that besides the huge number of packages that we have, we also have dozens of overlays. [...] and some of them are really bug. QFT ;)

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE4.2 compile problem

2009-02-04 Thread Jerry McBride
On Wednesday 04 February 2009 05:52:16 am Norberto Bensa wrote: On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 9:38 AM, Jerry McBride mcbrid...@comcast.net wrote: If you need more info, feel free to email me direct. why? off-list communications should only be done with off-topic conversations. If you have a

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?

2009-02-04 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 4 Feb 2009 16:01:19 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: If I wanted a learn Unix distro, I would be using Slackware :P s/Slackware/Linux From Scratch/ That just teaches you to read and repeat the same commands over and over. You learn about Linux by administering it, not installing it.

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?

2009-02-04 Thread Jesús Guerrero
El Mie, 4 de Febrero de 2009, 0:06, Paul Hartman escribió: On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 4:39 PM, Grant Edwards gra...@visi.com wrote: Whenever I see a write-up of Gentoo, it's describe as a system similar to BSD ports where you build packages from source. The main benefit claimed for this

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE4.2 compile problem

2009-02-04 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 11:34 PM, J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: Today succesfully installed kde4.2 on amd64. I first removed my old KDE completely and then installed it on a clean system. Only reinstalling the old kde libs for programs that have not yet been ported to kde4.2.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?

2009-02-04 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 4 Feb 2009 16:19:17 + (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote: Except that what you build and maintain isn't a distro, it's a single machine. Why? Do you distribute what you're building as a something for others to use to install Linux? I don't, and none of the other Gentoo users

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: optimized for your system -- huh?

2009-02-04 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Wednesday 04 February 2009 15:31:26 Momesso Andrea wrote: My question can be put like this: Do binary distro's per package optimiziations override the benefit of having arch specific optimiziations that gentoo allows? That can only be answered with valid benchmarks on paper in front of you.

[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: optimized for your system -- huh?

2009-02-04 Thread James
Hazen Valliant-Saunders hazenvs at gmail.com writes: No they would never be useful for anything other then rendering bouncing bobbies! ;) Bouncing bobbies? Sound like a fraternity game for new recruits... So Searching and Sorting, are documented to orders of magnitude faster on GPU (SIMD)

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: optimized for your system -- huh?

2009-02-04 Thread Momesso Andrea
On Wed, Feb 04, 2009 at 03:59:44PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Wednesday 04 February 2009 15:31:26 Momesso Andrea wrote: My question can be put like this: Do binary distro's per package optimiziations override the benefit of having arch specific optimiziations that gentoo allows? That

Re: [gentoo-user] problem with mail server

2009-02-04 Thread Marcin Niskiewicz
2009/2/3 kashani kashani-l...@badapple.net I think you've got a couple of problems, but none of them individually jump at as the cause of your problems. However making these three changes together might help. 1. Turn your max_user_connections in Mysql down to something sane. Default is

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?

2009-02-04 Thread Jesús Guerrero
El Mie, 4 de Febrero de 2009, 7:17, Grant Edwards escribió: On 2009-02-04, James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: Grant Edwards grante at visi.com writes: Whenever I see a write-up of Gentoo, it's described as a system similar to BSD ports where you build packages from source. The main

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ENTER doesn't work in google.com?

2009-02-04 Thread Dale
Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Dale wrote: Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Am I going crazy? In google.com, when I enter a search query and press ENTER, nothing happens. Note: only on the *English* google.com. You get there by clicking the Google.com in English link. It's this:

[gentoo-user] KDE-4.2 missing Oxygen

2009-02-04 Thread Naga
Hi, I was wondering if I'm the only one who is missing the Oxygen desktop theme when installing KDE-4.2 from the kde-testing overlay? /Regards Naga

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?

2009-02-04 Thread Sebastián Magrí
El mié, 04-02-2009 a las 11:09 +0100, Jesús Guerrero escribió: El Mie, 4 de Febrero de 2009, 0:06, Paul Hartman escribió: On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 4:39 PM, Grant Edwards gra...@visi.com wrote: Whenever I see a write-up of Gentoo, it's describe as a system similar to BSD ports where

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: wlan0 promiscuous mode

2009-02-04 Thread Dominic Kexel
On Sat, 31 Jan 2009 14:51:59 -0800 Grant emailgr...@gmail.com wrote: That all works great, the problem is it only works when net.wlan0 is started. I'm told I: need to load the modules and setup the interface for your card because that's probably what net.wlan0 does. I tried to look

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?

2009-02-04 Thread Jesús Guerrero
El Mie, 4 de Febrero de 2009, 14:19, Nikos Chantziaras escribió: Sebastián Magrí wrote: Also, Gentoo is a great school. If you want to learn how a Linux system works, and really want to learn about Unix systems, then Gentoo is the best for you. I don't get that argument. I didn't learn

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE-4.2 missing Oxygen

2009-02-04 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 4 Feb 2009 18:13:47 +0100, Naga wrote: I was wondering if I'm the only one who is missing the Oxygen desktop theme when installing KDE-4.2 from the kde-testing overlay? It's there when you install 4.2 from the main portage tree. -- Neil Bothwick What colour is a chameleon on a

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?

2009-02-04 Thread Jesús Guerrero
El Mie, 4 de Febrero de 2009, 16:25, Grant Edwards escribió: On 2009-02-04, Jes?s Guerrero i92gu...@terra.es wrote: El Mie, 4 de Febrero de 2009, 8:39, Alan McKinnon escribi?: On Wednesday 04 February 2009 09:27:31 Christopher Walters wrote: I personally don't view Gentoo as a distro

[gentoo-user] Re: ENTER doesn't work in google.com?

2009-02-04 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
Michael Holmes wrote: 2009/2/4 Nikos Chantziaras rea...@arcor.de: I can't imagine your emails being stored in there. Firefox doesn't deal with email. But you can simply mv ~/.mozilla/firefox ~/.mozilla/firefox.backup instead of deleting it just to be safe. He's using Seamonkey, not Firefox.

RE: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for yoursystem' -- huh?

2009-02-04 Thread Jesús Guerrero
El Mie, 4 de Febrero de 2009, 16:39, Prado, Renato (R.P.) escribió: My question can be put like this: Do binary distro's per package optimiziations override the benefit of having arch specific optimiziations that gentoo allows? Thinking about that... I guess a could future for future

[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?

2009-02-04 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
Jesús Guerrero wrote: El Mie, 4 de Febrero de 2009, 14:19, Nikos Chantziaras escribió: Sebastián Magrí wrote: Also, Gentoo is a great school. If you want to learn how a Linux system works, and really want to learn about Unix systems, then Gentoo is the best for you. I don't get that

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?

2009-02-04 Thread Jesús Guerrero
El Mie, 4 de Febrero de 2009, 17:19, Grant Edwards escribió: On 2009-02-04, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Wed, 4 Feb 2009 15:25:49 + (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote: Except that what you build and maintain isn't a distro, it's a single machine. Why? Do you distribute

RE: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for yoursystem' -- huh?

2009-02-04 Thread Prado, Renato (R.P.)
Unless you mean a different thing, that can be achieved and is already done in some packages. For example, mplayer has a USE flag called custom-cflags which freely allow you to break it as much as you want. What I meant was something like this: supposed that the maintainer of a particular package

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?

2009-02-04 Thread Jesús Guerrero
El Mie, 4 de Febrero de 2009, 18:48, Nikos Chantziaras escribió: Jesús Guerrero wrote: El Mie, 4 de Febrero de 2009, 14:19, Nikos Chantziaras escribió: Sebastián Magrí wrote: Also, Gentoo is a great school. If you want to learn how a Linux system works, and really want to learn

Re: [gentoo-user] /etc/init.d/: ntpd or ntp-client?

2009-02-04 Thread Dirk Heinrichs
Am Mittwoch, 4. Februar 2009 14:57:28 schrieb Alan McKinnon: ntpd is really designed for Unix servers with 3 digit uptimes and clocks not assembled by Mickey Mouse's younger brother (which seems to include all pcs ever made.) Errh, no. It is designed for exactly those machines, so that

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: games-fps without blood

2009-02-04 Thread James Ausmus
On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 12:14 PM, pk pete...@coolmail.se wrote: Andrew Gaydenko wrote: Ups.. He-he... :-) I have thought it is frame per second - is related to 3D reality reconstruction, where GL, *fps* and such are needed, used, told about. Fine! Probably there are not-FPS :-) beauty

Re: [gentoo-user] /etc/init.d/: ntpd or ntp-client?

2009-02-04 Thread Stroller
On 4 Feb 2009, at 13:40, Justin wrote: Stroller schrieb: ... I understood that ntpd was not only a server for my LAN (a facility I don't use) but that it would also periodically check the time with upstream servers keep the machine's clock in constant sync. ... pkg_postinst() { ewarn

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: libtool problem

2009-02-04 Thread Dirk Heinrichs
Am Mittwoch, 4. Februar 2009 04:25:34 schrieb ABCD: The reason there wasn't a bump (IIRC) was that the ebuild never changed - only the eclass did.  If you emerged any version of GCC during the window where the eclass was broken, that version of GCC would have been broken. That also means

Re: [gentoo-user] /etc/init.d/: ntpd or ntp-client?

2009-02-04 Thread Stroller
On 4 Feb 2009, at 14:11, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 4 Feb 2009 13:38:11 +, Stroller wrote: So when I found the clock to be a week out of date I checked that ntpd appeared to be running (it was) and restarted it. The date remained the same. Stopping ntpd starting ntp-client corrected

Re: [gentoo-user] /etc/init.d/: ntpd or ntp-client?

2009-02-04 Thread Justin
Stroller wrote: On 4 Feb 2009, at 13:40, Justin wrote: Stroller schrieb: ... I understood that ntpd was not only a server for my LAN (a facility I don't use) but that it would also periodically check the time with upstream servers keep the machine's clock in constant sync. ...

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: games-fps without blood

2009-02-04 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Mittwoch 04 Februar 2009, James Ausmus wrote: Freecol is a great game that is in Portage and can provide for hours of entertainment - it's a Java-based clone of Sid Meier's Colonization, one of the best turn-based strategy games ever. Might be a little much for a 7-year old, but might not

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE-4.2 missing Oxygen

2009-02-04 Thread Naga
On Wednesday 04 February 2009 18:32:52 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 4 Feb 2009 18:13:47 +0100, Naga wrote: I was wondering if I'm the only one who is missing the Oxygen desktop theme when installing KDE-4.2 from the kde-testing overlay? It's there when you install 4.2 from the main portage

Re: [gentoo-user] /etc/init.d/: ntpd or ntp-client?

2009-02-04 Thread Stroller
On 4 Feb 2009, at 18:23, Justin wrote: Stroller wrote: On 4 Feb 2009, at 13:40, Justin wrote: Stroller schrieb: ... I understood that ntpd was not only a server for my LAN (a facility I don't use) but that it would also periodically check the time with upstream servers keep the

[gentoo-user] Removing shared libraries

2009-02-04 Thread Damian
Hi, After I ran reconcilio (I guess revdep-rebuild will yield a similar output) I got the following message: The following broken files are not owned by any installed package: /usr/lib64/kde4/plasma_applet_sysmoni_nvidia.so (requires libplasma.so.2)

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: optimized for your system -- huh?

2009-02-04 Thread Paul Hartman
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 10:07 AM, James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gentoo at gmail.com writes: One *BIG* difference is when the GPUs on video cards are used as co-processors on systems. ATI and Nv are working on making general purpose C languages for

Re: [gentoo-user] Removing shared libraries

2009-02-04 Thread Paul Hartman
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 1:09 PM, Damian damian.o...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, After I ran reconcilio (I guess revdep-rebuild will yield a similar output) I got the following message: The following broken files are not owned by any installed package:

Re: [gentoo-user] Removing shared libraries

2009-02-04 Thread Jesús Guerrero
El Mie, 4 de Febrero de 2009, 20:28, Paul Hartman escribió: On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 1:09 PM, Damian damian.o...@gmail.com wrote: Those shared objects were installed when I manually compiled plasmoids some time ago (using kde 4.1, now I have kde 4.2). So my question is if I can safely remove

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: libtool problem

2009-02-04 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Wednesday 04 February 2009 20:17:33 Dirk Heinrichs wrote: Am Mittwoch, 4. Februar 2009 04:25:34 schrieb ABCD: The reason there wasn't a bump (IIRC) was that the ebuild never changed - only the eclass did.  If you emerged any version of GCC during the window where the eclass was broken,

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?

2009-02-04 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Wednesday 04 February 2009 19:48:27 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Gentoo forces you to use linux in the sense that you need to do all the work by yourself to install it. What you describe is just the regular update/install process, which is simple enough as you said. It was very easy for

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: wlan0 promiscuous mode

2009-02-04 Thread Grant
That all works great, the problem is it only works when net.wlan0 is started. I'm told I: need to load the modules and setup the interface for your card because that's probably what net.wlan0 does. I tried to look through net.wlan0 but I'm lost in there. Any idea what I might need to do

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: libtool problem

2009-02-04 Thread Dirk Heinrichs
Am Mittwoch, 4. Februar 2009 21:21:38 schrieb Alan McKinnon: On Wednesday 04 February 2009 20:17:33 Dirk Heinrichs wrote: Am Mittwoch, 4. Februar 2009 04:25:34 schrieb ABCD: The reason there wasn't a bump (IIRC) was that the ebuild never changed - only the eclass did.  If you emerged any

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: optimized for your system -- huh?

2009-02-04 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Wednesday 04 February 2009 18:55:07 Momesso Andrea wrote: On Wed, Feb 04, 2009 at 03:59:44PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Wednesday 04 February 2009 15:31:26 Momesso Andrea wrote: My question can be put like this: Do binary distro's per package optimiziations override the benefit of

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?

2009-02-04 Thread Sebastián Magrí
El mié, 04-02-2009 a las 22:24 +0200, Alan McKinnon escribió: On Wednesday 04 February 2009 19:48:27 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Gentoo forces you to use linux in the sense that you need to do all the work by yourself to install it. What you describe is just the regular update/install

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: hal - what's the benefit of using it

2009-02-04 Thread Alan McKinnon
Please don't top post on this list. It's considered rude. You are talking about HAL, an abstract concept. The OP is talking about hal, a definite package - sys-apps/hal. Recent X.org uses it to autoconfigure input devices on startup On Wednesday 04 February 2009 18:34:28 Hazen

Re: [gentoo-user] 'emerge -avDuN world' doesn't find everything

2009-02-04 Thread Grant
When this was asked a few weeks ago someone then asked why --with-bdeps Y isn't the default? This seems to burn nearly everyone once in awhile. Because using --with-bdeps y causes unnecessary compilation of packages that don't need t0 be changed. They won't be used again until the dependent

Re: [gentoo-user] 'emerge -avDuN world' doesn't find everything

2009-02-04 Thread Mark Knecht
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Grant emailgr...@gmail.com wrote: SNIP I think I've gotten to the bottom of my boost problem. I have rb_libtorrent installed which requires =dev-libs/boost-1.35, meaning boost needs to be in package.keywords. If I remove boost from package.keywords, should

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: libtool problem

2009-02-04 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Wednesday 04 February 2009 22:40:26 Dirk Heinrichs wrote: Am Mittwoch, 4. Februar 2009 21:21:38 schrieb Alan McKinnon: On Wednesday 04 February 2009 20:17:33 Dirk Heinrichs wrote: Am Mittwoch, 4. Februar 2009 04:25:34 schrieb ABCD: The reason there wasn't a bump (IIRC) was that the

Re: [gentoo-user] 'emerge -avDuN world' doesn't find everything

2009-02-04 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Wednesday 04 February 2009 23:02:38 Grant wrote: I think I've gotten to the bottom of my boost problem.  I have rb_libtorrent installed which requires =dev-libs/boost-1.35, meaning boost needs to be in package.keywords.  If I remove boost from package.keywords, should portage tell me there

Re: [gentoo-user] /etc/init.d/: ntpd or ntp-client?

2009-02-04 Thread Drew Tomlinson
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 4 Feb 2009 13:38:11 +, Stroller wrote: So when I found the clock to be a week out of date I checked that ntpd appeared to be running (it was) and restarted it. The date remained the same. Stopping ntpd starting ntp-client corrected the date

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?

2009-02-04 Thread Paul Hartman
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 2:37 PM, Sebastián Magrí sebasma...@gmail.com wrote: El mié, 04-02-2009 a las 22:24 +0200, Alan McKinnon escribió: On Wednesday 04 February 2009 19:48:27 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Gentoo forces you to use linux in the sense that you need to do all the work by yourself

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: hal - what's the benefit of using it

2009-02-04 Thread Paul Hartman
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 3:29 AM, Norberto Bensa nbe...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 6:44 AM, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@arcor.de wrote: The benefit for me is that I plug my USB flash stick in my PC and it pops up in my desktop without me needing to enter voodoo console commands to mount

Re: [gentoo-user] hal - what's the benefit of using it

2009-02-04 Thread Michael P. Soulier
On 04/02/09 Alan McKinnon said: Meanwhile, trying to run KDE or Gnome on a box without hal is becoming more and more painful with each update. Even xorg is getting in on the hal game and using hal to auto-configure input devices. That explains why even on Ubuntu I shut off dbus and hal, and

Re: [gentoo-user] 'emerge -avDuN world' doesn't find everything

2009-02-04 Thread Paul Hartman
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Grant emailgr...@gmail.com wrote: When this was asked a few weeks ago someone then asked why --with-bdeps Y isn't the default? This seems to burn nearly everyone once in awhile. Because using --with-bdeps y causes unnecessary compilation of packages that don't

[gentoo-user] Where has vmware-config.pl gone?

2009-02-04 Thread Iain Buchanan
Hi all, I just upgraded from vmware-workstation vmware-workstation-6.0.5.109488 to vmware-workstation-6.5.1.126130 as I'm upgrading kernels, modules, etc, and the old faithful 6.0.5 version has been hard masked... I get the usual: VMware Workstation Error: VMware Workstation is installed, but

Re: [gentoo-user] Where has vmware-config.pl gone?

2009-02-04 Thread Mark Knecht
updatedb and then slocate? I'm running the server, not the workstation. For me the path is /opt/vmware/server/bin/vmware-config.pl Hope this helps, Mark On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 3:42 PM, Iain Buchanan iai...@netspace.net.au wrote: Hi all, I just upgraded from vmware-workstation

Re: [gentoo-user] Where has vmware-config.pl gone?

2009-02-04 Thread Paul Hartman
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 5:42 PM, Iain Buchanan iai...@netspace.net.au wrote: Hi all, I just upgraded from vmware-workstation vmware-workstation-6.0.5.109488 to vmware-workstation-6.5.1.126130 as I'm upgrading kernels, modules, etc, and the old faithful 6.0.5 version has been hard masked... I

Re: [gentoo-user] hal - what's the benefit of using it

2009-02-04 Thread Paul Hartman
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 4:23 PM, Michael P. Soulier msoul...@digitaltorque.ca wrote: On 04/02/09 Alan McKinnon said: Meanwhile, trying to run KDE or Gnome on a box without hal is becoming more and more painful with each update. Even xorg is getting in on the hal game and using hal to

Re: [gentoo-user] cnn.com flash videos crash firefox

2009-02-04 Thread Enrico Weigelt
* Grant emailgr...@gmail.com wrote: What could there be that wasn't already exposed during a very long election campaign? A log. Everything that's censored in the mass media. cu -- - Enrico Weigelt== metux IT service

Re: [gentoo-user] Where has vmware-config.pl gone?

2009-02-04 Thread Iain Buchanan
On Wed, 2009-02-04 at 15:58 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: updatedb and then slocate? forgot to mention - tried that. also tried: $ find /opt/vmware/ -name vmware-config /opt/vmware/workstation/lib/vmware-vix/setup/vmware-config /opt/vmware/workstation/lib/vmware/setup/vmware-config neither seems

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