Re: [gentoo-user] Switching to unstable

2010-04-12 Thread Marc Joliet
Am Sun, 11 Apr 2010 17:13:26 -0700 schrieb Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com: On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 5:00 PM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 16:11:53 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: Doing system first makes good sense. Then you can update your config files,

[gentoo-user] wlan0 config questions

2010-04-12 Thread Walter Dnes
Here's /etc/conf.d/net on my Gentoo netbook system... config_eth0=192.168.123.249 broadcast 192.168.123.255 netmask 255.255.255.248 mtu 1452 routes_eth0=( default via 192.168.123.254 metric 2 192.168.123.248/29 via 192.168.123.254 metric 0 ) The multiple routes allow eth0 to remain connected

Re: [gentoo-user] can't get accelerated opengl renderer ati radeon xpress 200M

2010-04-12 Thread Tony Miller
On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 11:31 PM, Gregory Shearman zek...@gmail.com wrote: Why are libX11-xcb.so.1, libX11.so.6, libdrm.so.2 in the /opt/gfx-test/lib directory rather than in /usr/lib as they are on my machine? Sorry about that, this /opt/gfx-test/ directory was something I created to test a

[gentoo-user] Boot speedup

2010-04-12 Thread Hinko Kocevar
Hi, I've started to look around on how to speed up the Gentoo boot sequence. Looking at the bootchart output I discovered that if using parallel boot feature from the /etc/conf.d/rc (RC_PARALLEL_STARTUP=yes), things get done about 9 seconds faster that with RC_PARALLEL_STARTUP=no. Boot time is

Re: [gentoo-user] Boot speedup

2010-04-12 Thread Ngoc Nguyen Bao
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 4:02 PM, Hinko Kocevar hinko.koce...@i-tech.si wrote: Hi, I've started to look around on how to speed up the Gentoo boot sequence. Looking at the bootchart output I discovered that if using parallel boot feature from the /etc/conf.d/rc (RC_PARALLEL_STARTUP=yes), things

[gentoo-user] Trying to use ndiswrapper caused a hell of trouble: no suspend and wl doesn't autoload

2010-04-12 Thread Yoav Luft
Hi, I have problems to connect to WPA wireless networks, and it seemed like those were driver related, so I've tried running ndiswrapper. After I failed to get better (or any) performance with it, I tried to revert to the previous settings, but at first the system wouldn't even boot. I've booted

Re: [gentoo-user] Boot speedup

2010-04-12 Thread Hinko Kocevar
On 04/12/10 11:31, Ngoc Nguyen Bao wrote: On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 4:02 PM, Hinko Kocevar hinko.koce...@i-tech.si wrote: Hi, I've started to look around on how to speed up the Gentoo boot sequence. Looking at the bootchart output I discovered that if using parallel boot feature from the

Re: [gentoo-user] Boot speedup

2010-04-12 Thread KH
Am 12.04.2010 11:56, schrieb Hinko Kocevar: [...] Thank you! Hmm, I was looking at the http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/openrc-migration.xml. For OpenRC I added sys-apps/openrc ~x86 to package.keywords, to get baselayout-2 ebuild I've added ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~x86 to /etc/make.conf. Will it be

[gentoo-user] ~amd64 - my experience so far...

2010-04-12 Thread Mark Knecht
...is not so good actually. Certainly not the way I'd want others to experience Gentoo. OK, the ~amd64 upgrade to @system was easy and relatively painless. The documents were fairly clear. There are things to learn, and old friends like rc-update and df look different, but it worked and didn't

Re: [gentoo-user] Boot speedup

2010-04-12 Thread Mark Knecht
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 2:56 AM, Hinko Kocevar hinko.koce...@i-tech.si wrote: On 04/12/10 11:31, Ngoc Nguyen Bao wrote: On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 4:02 PM, Hinko Kocevar hinko.koce...@i-tech.si wrote: Hi, I've started to look around on how to speed up the Gentoo boot sequence. Looking at the

Re: [gentoo-user] ~amd64 - my experience so far...

2010-04-12 Thread Alan McKinnon
Are you merely ranting or asking for help? If the former, well, OK i Hear you. But I don't care. If the latter, then you need to provide info like logs, output etc. ~amd64 works like a charm for me here. On Monday 12 April 2010 13:57:39 Mark Knecht wrote: ...is not so good actually.

Re: [gentoo-user] Trying to use ndiswrapper caused a hell of trouble: no suspend and wl doesn't autoload

2010-04-12 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 12:47:26 +0300, Yoav Luft wrote: I have problems to connect to WPA wireless networks, and it seemed like those were driver related, so I've tried running ndiswrapper. After I failed to get better (or any) performance with it, I tried to revert to the previous settings, but

Re: [gentoo-user] ~amd64 - my experience so far...

2010-04-12 Thread Zeerak Mustafa Waseem
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 04:57:39AM -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: ...is not so good actually. Certainly not the way I'd want others to experience Gentoo. OK, the ~amd64 upgrade to @system was easy and relatively painless. The documents were fairly clear. There are things to learn, and old

Re: [gentoo-user] wlan0 config questions

2010-04-12 Thread Mick
On 12 April 2010 08:11, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: Here's /etc/conf.d/net on my Gentoo netbook system... config_eth0=192.168.123.249 broadcast 192.168.123.255 netmask 255.255.255.248 mtu 1452 routes_eth0=( default via 192.168.123.254 metric 2 192.168.123.248/29 via

Re: [gentoo-user] ~amd64 - my experience so far...

2010-04-12 Thread Mark Knecht
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 5:00 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: Are you merely ranting or asking for help? If the former, well, OK i Hear you. But I don't care. If the latter, then you need to provide info like logs, output etc. ~amd64 works like a charm for me here.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: iptables - do I need the nat table?

2010-04-12 Thread Tanstaafl
On 2010-04-11 9:20 AM, Graham Murray wrote: Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org writes: I'm a bit clueless when it comes to firewalls, and have no idea what these numbers mean/do: *raw :PREROUTING ACCEPT [4911:886011] :OUTPUT ACCEPT [4546:2818732] COMMIT The numbers are [packets:bytes]

Re: [gentoo-user] ~amd64 - my experience so far...

2010-04-12 Thread Mark Knecht
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 5:14 AM, Zeerak Mustafa Waseem zeera...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 04:57:39AM -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: ...is not so good actually. Certainly not the way I'd want others to experience Gentoo. OK, the ~amd64 upgrade to @system was easy and relatively

Re: [gentoo-user] Boot speedup

2010-04-12 Thread Hinko Kocevar
Hi, On 04/12/10 12:26, KH wrote: Am 12.04.2010 11:56, schrieb Hinko Kocevar: [...] Thank you! Hmm, I was looking at the http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/openrc-migration.xml. For OpenRC I added sys-apps/openrc ~x86 to package.keywords, to get baselayout-2 ebuild I've added

Re: [gentoo-user] ~amd64 - my experience so far...

2010-04-12 Thread William Kenworthy
I am however documenting my experiences for others than come after me to this question of to ~amd64 or not ~amd64. Nothing more. It worked for Alan who is a __very__ experienced and capable person. It didn't work for Mark (at this point) who is a 10 year Gentoo user but __nothing__ more than

Re: [gentoo-user] Boot speedup

2010-04-12 Thread Roy Wright
On Apr 12, 2010, at 7:01 AM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 2:56 AM, Hinko Kocevar hinko.koce...@i-tech.si wrote: On 04/12/10 11:31, Ngoc Nguyen Bao wrote: On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 4:02 PM, Hinko Kocevar hinko.koce...@i-tech.si wrote: Hi, I've started to

Re: [gentoo-user] ~amd64 - my experience so far...

2010-04-12 Thread Mark Knecht
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 5:42 AM, William Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au wrote: I am however documenting my experiences for others than come after me to this question of to ~amd64 or not ~amd64. Nothing more. It worked for Alan who is a __very__ experienced and capable person. It didn't work for

Re: [gentoo-user] ~amd64 - my experience so far...

2010-04-12 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Monday 12 April 2010 14:29:00 Mark Knecht wrote: On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 5:00 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: Are you merely ranting or asking for help? If the former, well, OK i Hear you. But I don't care. If the latter, then you need to provide info like logs,

[gentoo-user] Re: ~amd64 - my experience so far...

2010-04-12 Thread Kerin Millar
On 12/04/2010 12:57, Mark Knecht wrote: QUESTION: Assume I'm happy with ~amd64 on @system, but want to build the stable version of gnome or kde. How do I get it? Since gnome-2.26 You could opt to retain the ~amd64 keyword on system packages alone. Consider the following (which requires

[gentoo-user] Re: ~amd64 - my experience so far...

2010-04-12 Thread walt
On 04/12/2010 05:35 AM, Mark Knecht wrote: Between xfce4 gnome I've seen about a dozen packages fail to build this morning and haven't yet checked bug reports. Let's start with xfce4 then because it's much smaller than gnome. What fails to build, and with what errors? I actually use gnome,

[gentoo-user] Re: ~amd64 - my experience so far...

2010-04-12 Thread Kerin Millar
On 12/04/2010 13:42, William Kenworthy wrote: Is there a reason why you want to run all @system as ~amd64, and the rest stable. To me it makes more sense (especially for production Perhaps he simply doesn't feel like re-installing. By going down this road, the breakage caused by dowgrading

Re: [gentoo-user] ~amd64 - my experience so far...

2010-04-12 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 05:29:00 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: It's certainly not working for me at this point but I'm not upset, mad, or anything like that. I'm asking a simple question. That's it. Except you didn't really ask a question, at least not in manner that could be answered. Posting the

Re: [gentoo-user] Switching to unstable

2010-04-12 Thread Paul Hartman
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 2:06 AM, Marc Joliet mar...@gmx.de wrote: Am Sun, 11 Apr 2010 17:13:26 -0700 schrieb Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com: A couple of packages in this OpenRC upgrade aren't building. I hope they are less important. So far groff and help2man have failed so I did --resume

Re: [gentoo-user] Switching to unstable

2010-04-12 Thread Crístian Viana
when there is a bad package that won't compile for a week or two I've already seen packages doing that, but they shouldn't happen, right? :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Switching to unstable

2010-04-12 Thread Tanstaafl
On 2010-04-12 11:05 AM, Paul Hartman wrote: I use the --keep-going always, it was a great addition and especially helpful when there is a bad package that won't compile for a week or two, it makes it easier to just ignore it. Hopefully no one will mind a slight OT question, but still

Re: [gentoo-user] ~amd64 - my experience so far...

2010-04-12 Thread Paul Hartman
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 6:57 AM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: ...is not so good actually. Certainly not the way I'd want others to experience Gentoo. OK, the ~amd64 upgrade to @system was easy and relatively painless. The documents were fairly clear. There are things to learn, and

Re: [gentoo-user] Switching to unstable

2010-04-12 Thread Paul Hartman
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 10:18 AM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: On 2010-04-12 11:05 AM, Paul Hartman wrote: I use the --keep-going always, it was a great addition and especially helpful when there is a bad package that won't compile for a week or two, it makes it easier to just

Re: [gentoo-user] Boot speedup

2010-04-12 Thread Florian Philipp
Am 12.04.2010 11:02, schrieb Hinko Kocevar: Hi, I've started to look around on how to speed up the Gentoo boot sequence. Looking at the bootchart output I discovered that if using parallel boot feature from the /etc/conf.d/rc (RC_PARALLEL_STARTUP=yes), things get done about 9 seconds faster

Re: [gentoo-user] X11 and HP2475w: First steps?

2010-04-12 Thread Paul Hartman
On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 3:21 AM, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: Hi, before damaging delicate electronic equipment I want to ask, what the best way is to switch from a 1600x1200 pixel analogous Iiyama monitor to an Flat panel HP2475w (LCD) with 1980x1200 pixel monitor? Graphics card is a

Re: [gentoo-user] Switching to unstable

2010-04-12 Thread Dale
Paul Hartman wrote: On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 10:18 AM, Tanstaafltansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: On 2010-04-12 11:05 AM, Paul Hartman wrote: I use the --keep-going always, it was a great addition and especially helpful when there is a bad package that won't compile for a week or two,

Re: [gentoo-user] ~amd64 - my experience so far...

2010-04-12 Thread KH
Am 12.04.2010 14:57, schrieb Alan McKinnon: [...] 2. when devs commit to ~arch, they tend to run ~arch on their test boxes. Issues are easy to spot and get fixed quickly. If you have a mixture of the two, then you have a combination that no-one but you is using, and it will not have been

Re: [gentoo-user] Trying to use ndiswrapper caused a hell of trouble: no suspend and wl doesn't autoload

2010-04-12 Thread Yoav Luft
No, I haven't. I've also checked all files in /etc/modprobe.d/, /etc/modules.d/ and /etc/{modules,modprobe}.conf to see if it isn't blacklisted. I have checked the rc files yet, but I haven't changed anything. Just to be sure, I grepped for wl, and it's not blacklisted. ndiswrapper does alias a

Re: [gentoo-user] Boot speedup

2010-04-12 Thread Jarry
On 12. 4. 2010 14:36, Hinko Kocevar wrote: I've added ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~x86 to /etc/make.conf. Will it be enough to (re-)build the baselayout and openrc and its closest dependencies (41 packages)? Or do I need to perform complete system upgrade (~900 packages) now that ACCEPT_KEYWORDS is

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: iptables - do I need the nat table?

2010-04-12 Thread stosss
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 8:31 AM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: On 2010-04-11 9:20 AM, Graham Murray wrote: Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org writes: I'm a bit clueless when it comes to firewalls, and have no idea what these numbers mean/do: *raw :PREROUTING ACCEPT

Re: [gentoo-user] X11 and HP2475w: First steps?

2010-04-12 Thread stosss
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 12:18 PM, Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 3:21 AM,  meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: Hi,  before damaging delicate electronic equipment I want  to ask, what the best way is to switch from a 1600x1200  pixel analogous Iiyama monitor

[gentoo-user] kde4-menu updating tool not working

2010-04-12 Thread James
Hello, My menu updating tool for kde4 does not seem to work, any suggestions of fixes? James

Re: [gentoo-user] Switching to unstable

2010-04-12 Thread Mark Knecht
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 12:06 AM, Marc Joliet mar...@gmx.de wrote: Am Sun, 11 Apr 2010 17:13:26 -0700 schrieb Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com: On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 5:00 PM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 16:11:53 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: Doing system

Re: [gentoo-user] ~amd64 - my experience so far...

2010-04-12 Thread Paul Hartman
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not a gnome user but I can try this if you want (135 packages to emerge in my case), or if you have more specific info about which part doesn't build I can try only the specifics. I went ahead and emerged

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: VirtualBox bridge mode eth0

2010-04-12 Thread Mick
On Thursday 08 April 2010 14:45:49 Joseph wrote: On 04/08/10 13:40, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 04/08/2010 07:11 AM, Joseph wrote: I've activated Network adapter in VirtualBox (running Windows XP) but I it is not working. It works only in NAT mode not in Bridge mode. The worst part is when I

Re: [gentoo-user] X11 and HP2475w: First steps?

2010-04-12 Thread Paul Hartman
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 12:38 PM, stosss sto...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 12:18 PM, Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 3:21 AM, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: Hi, before damaging delicate electronic equipment I want to ask, what the best

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ~amd64 - my experience so far...

2010-04-12 Thread Mark Knecht
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 6:07 AM, walt w41...@gmail.com wrote: On 04/12/2010 05:35 AM, Mark Knecht wrote: Between xfce4  gnome I've seen about a dozen packages fail to build this morning and haven't yet checked bug reports. Let's start with xfce4 then because it's much smaller than gnome.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ~amd64 - my experience so far...

2010-04-12 Thread Paul Hartman
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 1:44 PM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: Checking if your kit is complete... Looks good MakeMaker FATAL: prerequisites not found. ExtUtils::Depends not installed If part of your transition was upgrading from perl 5.8 to 5.10 you need to run perl-cleaner like

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ~amd64 - my experience so far...

2010-04-12 Thread Paul Hartman
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 1:57 PM, Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 1:44 PM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: Checking if your kit is complete... Looks good MakeMaker FATAL: prerequisites not found. ExtUtils::Depends not installed If part of

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ~amd64 - my experience so far...

2010-04-12 Thread Alex Schuster
Mark Knecht writes: OK, let's start with xfce4-meta because there was only one failure. eix-update was done this morning and emerge -DuN @system is clean using ~arch in make.conf. I'll paste make.conf emerge --info at the end of this message [...] Source prepared. Configuring source in

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ~amd64 - my experience so far...

2010-04-12 Thread Mark Knecht
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 11:57 AM, Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 1:44 PM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: Checking if your kit is complete... Looks good MakeMaker FATAL: prerequisites not found.    ExtUtils::Depends not installed If part of

Re: [gentoo-user] Switching to unstable

2010-04-12 Thread Tanstaafl
On 2010-04-12 12:23 PM, Dale wrote: +1 I been using the latest portage for a long time too. I don't recall any problems with it and the new features sure do help. If you keyword portage, you need to do the same for its friends. Mainly gentoolkit and eix. They seem to go together better.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ~amd64 - my experience so far...

2010-04-12 Thread Paul Hartman
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 4:03 PM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: cruncher mark # cat .xsession-errors /etc/X11/gdm/Xsession: Beginning session setup... /etc/X11/gdm/Xsession: Cannot find Xclients /etc/X11/gdm/Xsession: line 203: exec: xterm: not found cruncher mark # cruncher mark #

Re: [gentoo-user] Boot speedup

2010-04-12 Thread Alex Schuster
Florian Philipp writes: Am 12.04.2010 11:02, schrieb Hinko Kocevar: Can boot be sped up even more? The fastest way to boot is not to boot at all. Just use Suspend2Disk or SuspendToRam. Take a look at TuxOnIce and hibernate-script. Unless something is broken, I hardly ever reboot. I

Re: [gentoo-user] Trying to use ndiswrapper caused a hell of trouble: no suspend and wl doesn't autoload

2010-04-12 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 19:52:19 +0300, Yoav Luft wrote: No, I haven't. I've also checked all files in /etc/modprobe.d/, /etc/modules.d/ and /etc/{modules,modprobe}.conf to see if it isn't blacklisted. I have checked the rc files yet, but I haven't changed anything. Just to be sure, I grepped for

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ~amd64 - my experience so far...

2010-04-12 Thread Mark Knecht
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 2:14 PM, Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 4:03 PM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: cruncher mark # cat .xsession-errors /etc/X11/gdm/Xsession: Beginning session setup... /etc/X11/gdm/Xsession: Cannot find Xclients