Re: [gentoo-user] bindmount or symlink?

2012-03-13 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 12:04:00 +0700 Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote: I am seriously thinking of splitting the storage of directories under /usr, e.g., /usr/portage and /usr/source actually living somewhere else, on different partition and different filesystem. Let's say something mounted

Re: [gentoo-user] Beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev; version 5

2012-03-13 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 02:41:15 + Peter Humphrey pe...@humphrey.ukfsn.org wrote: On Monday 12 March 2012 12:21:17 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sun, 11 Mar 2012 22:34:27 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: My mother swears blind I watched England win the World Cup but I don't remember (being only 1

Re: [gentoo-user] Can't boot upgraded kerne;

2012-03-13 Thread Mick
On Tuesday 13 Mar 2012 05:36:38 ro...@cs.wisc.edu wrote: I recently decided to update my AMD64 box from 2.38 to the new 3.2 kernel. I used genkernel all to compile the upgraded kernel but when I go to boot I get the following error. Loading modules Determining root device !!Block device

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: LVM, /usr and really really bad thoughts.

2012-03-13 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 11:54:58 +0700 Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote: The idea of trying to launch udevd and initialize devices without the software, installed in /usr, which is required by those devices is a configuration that causes problems in many real-world, practical situations.

Re: [gentoo-user] Beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev; version 5 - failure :-(

2012-03-13 Thread Walter Dnes
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 09:24:32AM +, Alan Mackenzie wrote Help would be appreciated. Sorry, mdev is not for you, it looks like udev is a mandatory dependancy for lvm2. I tried emerge -pv lvm2 and it came back with... waltdnes@d530 ~ $ emerge -pv lvm2 These are the packages that would

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: LVM, /usr and really really bad thoughts.

2012-03-13 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Mar 13, 2012 2:19 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 11:54:58 +0700 Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote: The idea of trying to launch udevd and initialize devices without the software, installed in /usr, which is required by those devices is a

Re: [gentoo-user] Beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev; version 5 - failure :-(

2012-03-13 Thread Walter Dnes
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 09:24:32AM +, Alan Mackenzie wrote Once you're back to your old setup, can you do me a favour? Please do the following... 1) Add the line... sys-fs/udev to /etc/portage/package.mask. 2) Run the 2 commands emerge -pv system system.txt emerge -pv world

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: LVM, /usr and really really bad thoughts.

2012-03-13 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 1:31 AM, Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote: On Mar 13, 2012 2:19 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 11:54:58 +0700 Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote: The idea of trying to launch udevd and initialize devices without the

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: LVM, /usr and really really bad thoughts.

2012-03-13 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Mar 13, 2012 2:41 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 1:31 AM, Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote: On Mar 13, 2012 2:19 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 11:54:58 +0700 Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote:

Re: [gentoo-user] bindmount or symlink?

2012-03-13 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Mar 13, 2012 2:00 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 12:04:00 +0700 Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote: I am seriously thinking of splitting the storage of directories under /usr, e.g., /usr/portage and /usr/source actually living somewhere else, on

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: LVM, /usr and really really bad thoughts.

2012-03-13 Thread Walter Dnes
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 06:22:39PM -0500, Dale wrote I think mdev has shown it can be fixed. Given time, it just may replace udev then the udev dev can screw up his own stuff on not bother other distros. I'm giving mdev some thought here. I want /usr on LVM which means it has to be

Re: [gentoo-user] bindmount or symlink?

2012-03-13 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 2:05 AM, Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote: On Mar 13, 2012 2:00 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 12:04:00 +0700 Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote: I am seriously thinking of splitting the storage of directories under

Re: [gentoo-user] LVM, /usr and really really bad thoughts.

2012-03-13 Thread Walter Dnes
On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 09:50:02PM +0100, pk wrote So udev-181 (masked) is ok to use without initrd and separate /usr then? Thanks for the info! I believe that 180 or 181 is the first version that requires /usr on / (or an initramfs or whatever). And that's why it's currently masked. --

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: LVM, /usr and really really bad thoughts.

2012-03-13 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 2:09 AM, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 06:22:39PM -0500, Dale wrote I think mdev has shown it can be fixed.  Given time, it just may replace udev then the udev dev can screw up his own stuff on not bother other distros.  I'm giving

Re: [gentoo-user] Can I do a one-time boot to non-default kernel in Lilo?

2012-03-13 Thread Walter Dnes
On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 11:35:33PM -0400, Bruce Hill, Jr. wrote Unless I misunderstand you, after you issue lilo to write to the MBR, then issue: lilo -R experimental where experimental is the name of the kernel image you want to boot. The R creates a one time command which it will use the

Re: [gentoo-user] bindmount or symlink?

2012-03-13 Thread Philipp Riegger
On 13.03.2012 09:15, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: If I'm understanding you, you want: fstab: /dev/XX /mnt/p1 ... /dev/YY /mnt/p2 ... and then /usr/portage - /mnt/p1 /usr/src - /mnt/p2 (or using bindmounting, whatever). This makes no sense at all (at least not to me), when you can

Re: [gentoo-user] bindmount or symlink?

2012-03-13 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 15:15, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: You are; but in an incredible complicated and convulted way. If I'm understanding you, you want: fstab: /dev/XX   /mnt/p1   ... /dev/YY   /mnt/p2   ... and then /usr/portage - /mnt/p1 /usr/src - /mnt/p2 (or

[gentoo-user] Update of cryptsetup 1.4.1 fails

2012-03-13 Thread Uwe Scholz
Hi, I have an annoying problem with the current version update of cryptsetup-1.4.1. Already in the configure step emerge stops with the error message: ... checking for gcry_check_version in -lgcrypt... no configure: error: Cannot find static gcrypt library ... Actually, libgcrypt-1.4.6 is

Re: [gentoo-user] bindmount or symlink?

2012-03-13 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 3:00 AM, Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote: On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 15:15, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: You are; but in an incredible complicated and convulted way. If I'm understanding you, you want: fstab: /dev/XX   /mnt/p1   ... /dev/YY  

Re: [gentoo-user] bindmount or symlink?

2012-03-13 Thread Nilesh Govindrajan
On Mar 13, 2012 2:42 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 3:00 AM, Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote: On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 15:15, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: You are; but in an incredible complicated and convulted way. If I'm

Re: [gentoo-user] bindmount or symlink?

2012-03-13 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 15:05:59 +0700 Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote: On Mar 13, 2012 2:00 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 12:04:00 +0700 Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote: I am seriously thinking of splitting the storage of directories

Re: [gentoo-user] Beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev; version 5

2012-03-13 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 02:41:15 +, Peter Humphrey wrote: I can't remember it at all, even though I was 23 or so. (Aside: my father used to say that football is a game, and games are what children play.) Yes, but that doesn't mean no one else plays them. That's the sort of argument that

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: LVM, /usr and really really bad thoughts.

2012-03-13 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 01:38:26 -0600, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: Of course, for a normal desktop user, a separate /usr is basically useless. If you need to encrypt /etc but don't want the overhead of encrypting everything is /usr, which is basically publicly available files anyway, separating /

Re: [gentoo-user] bindmount or symlink?

2012-03-13 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 16:00:08 +0700 Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote: On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 15:15, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: You are; but in an incredible complicated and convulted way. If I'm understanding you, you want: fstab: /dev/XX   /mnt/p1   ...

Re: [gentoo-user] How are Fn-F# ACPI events mapped?

2012-03-13 Thread YoYo Siska
On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 03:23:28PM -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: Hi, I'm trying to figure out how my Asus laptop maps function key events. This is being driven by an emerge message telling me that the acpi4asus package is being obsoleted and removed in 30 days and replaced by an in-kernel

Re: [gentoo-user] Best file system for portage tree?

2012-03-13 Thread YoYo Siska
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 10:23:49AM +0100, Alex Schuster wrote: José Romildo Malaquias writes: On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 07:36:07PM +0100, YoYo Siska wrote: mke2fs -f -b1024 -i2048 /usr/img_portage The -f option from mke2fs is to specify a fragment size and expects an argument. Do

Re: [gentoo-user] Beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev; version 5 - failure :-(

2012-03-13 Thread Alan Mackenzie
Hello, Walter. On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 03:14:55AM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 09:24:32AM +, Alan Mackenzie wrote Sorry, mdev is not for you, it looks like udev is a mandatory dependancy for lvm2. I tried emerge -pv lvm2 and it came back with... waltdnes@d530 ~ $

Re: [gentoo-user] Can't boot upgraded kerne;

2012-03-13 Thread Bruce Hill, Jr.
On March 13, 2012 at 3:10 AM Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday 13 Mar 2012 05:36:38 ro...@cs.wisc.edu wrote: I recently decided to update my AMD64 box from 2.38 to the new 3.2 kernel. I used genkernel all to compile the upgraded kernel but when I go to boot I get the

Re: [gentoo-user] hard drive encryption

2012-03-13 Thread Valmor de Almeida
On 03/11/2012 02:29 PM, Florian Philipp wrote: Am 11.03.2012 16:38, schrieb Valmor de Almeida: Hello, I have not looked at encryption before and find myself in a situation that I have to encrypt my hard drive. I keep /, /boot, and swap outside LVM, everything else is under LVM. I think all

Re: [gentoo-user] Beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev; version 5 - failure :-(

2012-03-13 Thread Alan Mackenzie
Hi, Walter. On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 03:33:06AM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 09:24:32AM +, Alan Mackenzie wrote Once you're back to your old setup, can you do me a favour? Please do the following... 1) Add the line... sys-fs/udev to /etc/portage/package.mask.

Re: [gentoo-user] Can't boot upgraded kerne;

2012-03-13 Thread Bruce Hill, Jr.
On March 13, 2012 at 1:36 AM ro...@cs.wisc.edu wrote: I recently decided to update my AMD64 box from 2.38 to the new 3.2 kernel. I used genkernel all to compile the upgraded kernel but when I go to boot I get the following error. Loading modules Determining root device !!Block device

Re: [gentoo-user] Beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev; version 5

2012-03-13 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Tuesday 13 March 2012 11:01:29 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 02:41:15 +, Peter Humphrey wrote: I can't remember it at all, even though I was 23 or so. (Aside: my father used to say that football is a game, and games are what children play.) Yes, but that doesn't mean no

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: LVM, /usr and really really bad thoughts.

2012-03-13 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 17:53:29 -0600 Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: As Alan said in other thread, it can be fixed (if you think is not right) for some very specific cases. Alan mentioned servers, really simple desktops with simple hotplug devices, and embedded systems. For mdev to

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: LVM, /usr and really really bad thoughts.

2012-03-13 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Mar 13, 2012 10:39 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 17:53:29 -0600 Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: As Alan said in other thread, it can be fixed (if you think is not right) for some very specific cases. Alan mentioned servers, really

Re: [gentoo-user] hard drive encryption

2012-03-13 Thread Florian Philipp
Am 13.03.2012 12:55, schrieb Valmor de Almeida: On 03/11/2012 02:29 PM, Florian Philipp wrote: Am 11.03.2012 16:38, schrieb Valmor de Almeida: Hello, I have not looked at encryption before and find myself in a situation that I have to encrypt my hard drive. I keep /, /boot, and swap outside

Re: [gentoo-user] hard drive encryption

2012-03-13 Thread Michael Mol
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 12:11 PM, Florian Philipp li...@binarywings.net wrote: Am 13.03.2012 12:55, schrieb Valmor de Almeida: On 03/11/2012 02:29 PM, Florian Philipp wrote: Am 11.03.2012 16:38, schrieb Valmor de Almeida: Hello, I have not looked at encryption before and find myself in a

Re: [gentoo-user] hard drive encryption

2012-03-13 Thread Florian Philipp
Am 13.03.2012 17:26, schrieb Michael Mol: On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 12:11 PM, Florian Philipp li...@binarywings.net wrote: Am 13.03.2012 12:55, schrieb Valmor de Almeida: On 03/11/2012 02:29 PM, Florian Philipp wrote: Am 11.03.2012 16:38, schrieb Valmor de Almeida: Hello, I have not looked

Re: [gentoo-user] hard drive encryption

2012-03-13 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 17:49:40 +0100, Florian Philipp wrote: Besides, I've already lost a poorly cooled HDD on a benchmark. Better than losing it on real data. -- Neil Bothwick Why do they call it a TV set when you only get one? signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-user] hard drive encryption

2012-03-13 Thread Michael Mol
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 12:49 PM, Florian Philipp li...@binarywings.net wrote: Am 13.03.2012 17:26, schrieb Michael Mol: On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 12:11 PM, Florian Philipp li...@binarywings.net wrote: Am 13.03.2012 12:55, schrieb Valmor de Almeida: On 03/11/2012 02:29 PM, Florian Philipp

[gentoo-user] Re: virtual/shadow

2012-03-13 Thread »Q«
On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 01:54:30 +0200 Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com wrote: On 13/03/12 00:34, »Q« wrote: On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 22:29:10 +0200 Alan McKinnonalan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone care to offer an opinion on what it will take to get PROVIDES support in portage?

Re: [gentoo-user] hard drive encryption

2012-03-13 Thread Frank Steinmetzger
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 05:11:47PM +0100, Florian Philipp wrote: Since I am planning to encrypt only home/ under LVM control, what kind of overhead should I expect? What do you mean with overhead? CPU utilization? In that case the overhead is minimal, especially when you run a 64-bit

Re: [gentoo-user] bindmount or symlink?

2012-03-13 Thread Walter Dnes
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 12:04:00PM +0700, Pandu Poluan wrote I am seriously thinking of splitting the storage of directories under /usr, e.g., /usr/portage and /usr/source actually living somewhere else, on different partition and different filesystem. Let's say something mounted on

Re: [gentoo-user] hard drive encryption

2012-03-13 Thread Florian Philipp
Am 13.03.2012 18:45, schrieb Frank Steinmetzger: On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 05:11:47PM +0100, Florian Philipp wrote: Since I am planning to encrypt only home/ under LVM control, what kind of overhead should I expect? What do you mean with overhead? CPU utilization? In that case the overhead

Re: [gentoo-user] hard drive encryption

2012-03-13 Thread Michael Mol
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 2:06 PM, Florian Philipp li...@binarywings.net wrote: Am 13.03.2012 18:45, schrieb Frank Steinmetzger: On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 05:11:47PM +0100, Florian Philipp wrote: Since I am planning to encrypt only home/ under LVM control, what kind of overhead should I expect?

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: LVM, /usr and really really bad thoughts.

2012-03-13 Thread pk
On 2012-03-13 08:13, Alan McKinnon wrote: I've also thought about this and I also want to ask why? Hm... me too? :-) I stopped using a separate /usr on my workstations a long time ago when I realized it was pointless. The days of 5M hard disks when the entire Ok, you realized it was

[gentoo-user] emerge Break

2012-03-13 Thread siefke_lis...@web.de
Hello, i try to install avidemux and so i give emerge avidemux. But at media-libs/aften-0.0.8 break emerge with the message: error cmake: error while loading shared libraries: libnettle.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory /error But the libnettle.so.3 is present on

Re: [gentoo-user] hard drive encryption

2012-03-13 Thread Florian Philipp
Am 13.03.2012 19:18, schrieb Michael Mol: On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 2:06 PM, Florian Philipp li...@binarywings.net wrote: Am 13.03.2012 18:45, schrieb Frank Steinmetzger: On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 05:11:47PM +0100, Florian Philipp wrote: Since I am planning to encrypt only home/ under LVM

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge Break

2012-03-13 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 12:57 PM, siefke_lis...@web.de siefke_lis...@web.de wrote: Hello, i try to install avidemux and so i give emerge avidemux. But at media-libs/aften-0.0.8 break emerge with the message: error cmake: error while loading shared libraries: libnettle.so.3: cannot open

Re: [gentoo-user] Beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev; version 5 - failure :-(

2012-03-13 Thread Walter Dnes
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 01:05:34PM +, Alan Mackenzie wrote I also did 2 {system,world}.err. system.err was empty. I've included world.err in the enclosed tarball. From your error listing, it looks like lvm2, kde, and gnome (including the XFCE subset) require udev. Ouch. -- Walter

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge Break

2012-03-13 Thread Mark Knecht
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 11:57 AM, siefke_lis...@web.de siefke_lis...@web.de wrote: Hello, i try to install avidemux and so i give emerge avidemux. But at media-libs/aften-0.0.8 break emerge with the message: error cmake: error while loading shared libraries: libnettle.so.3: cannot open

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge Break

2012-03-13 Thread Michael Mol
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 2:57 PM, siefke_lis...@web.de siefke_lis...@web.de wrote: Hello, i try to install avidemux and so i give emerge avidemux. But at media-libs/aften-0.0.8 break emerge with the message: error cmake: error while loading shared libraries: libnettle.so.3: cannot open

Re: [gentoo-user] hard drive encryption

2012-03-13 Thread Stroller
On 13 March 2012, at 18:18, Michael Mol wrote: ... So I assume the i586 version is better for you --- unless GCC suddenly got a lot better at optimizing code. Since when, exactly? GCC isn't the best compiler at optimization, but I fully expect current versions to produce better code for

Re: [gentoo-user] hard drive encryption

2012-03-13 Thread Michael Mol
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 2:58 PM, Florian Philipp li...@binarywings.net wrote: Am 13.03.2012 19:18, schrieb Michael Mol: On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 2:06 PM, Florian Philipp li...@binarywings.net wrote: Am 13.03.2012 18:45, schrieb Frank Steinmetzger: On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 05:11:47PM +0100,

Re: [gentoo-user] hard drive encryption

2012-03-13 Thread Florian Philipp
Am 13.03.2012 19:58, schrieb Florian Philipp: Am 13.03.2012 19:18, schrieb Michael Mol: On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 2:06 PM, Florian Philipp li...@binarywings.net wrote: Am 13.03.2012 18:45, schrieb Frank Steinmetzger: On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 05:11:47PM +0100, Florian Philipp wrote: Since I am

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge Break

2012-03-13 Thread Mark Knecht
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 12:07 PM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: SNIP I don't know a whole lot about multilib, but I believe /usr/lib is a 32-bit library folder. Perhaps avidemux is looking for a 64-bit version? It's a sim link here: c2stable ~ # ls -l /usr/lib lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root

Re: [gentoo-user] hard drive encryption

2012-03-13 Thread Florian Philipp
Am 13.03.2012 20:13, schrieb Michael Mol: On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 2:58 PM, Florian Philipp li...@binarywings.net wrote: Am 13.03.2012 19:18, schrieb Michael Mol: On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 2:06 PM, Florian Philipp li...@binarywings.net wrote: Am 13.03.2012 18:45, schrieb Frank Steinmetzger:

Re: [gentoo-user] Update of cryptsetup 1.4.1 fails

2012-03-13 Thread Sebastian Pipping
On 03/13/2012 10:00 AM, Uwe Scholz wrote: Hi, I have an annoying problem with the current version update of cryptsetup-1.4.1. Already in the configure step emerge stops with the error message: ... checking for gcry_check_version in -lgcrypt... no configure: error: Cannot find static

Re: [gentoo-user] hard drive encryption

2012-03-13 Thread Michael Mol
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 3:07 PM, Stroller strol...@stellar.eclipse.co.uk wrote: On 13 March 2012, at 18:18, Michael Mol wrote: ... So I assume the i586 version is better for you --- unless GCC suddenly got a lot better at optimizing code. Since when, exactly? GCC isn't the best compiler at

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge Break

2012-03-13 Thread siefke_lis...@web.de
On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 12:05:22 -0700 Mark Knecht wrote: First, was the system up-to-date prior to trying to install your new program? I has yesterday make emerge world. emerge -pvDuN @world If not get it up-to-date first. Okay this i use in future. Once up-to-date, and still before the

Re: [gentoo-user] hard drive encryption

2012-03-13 Thread Michael Mol
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 3:30 PM, Florian Philipp li...@binarywings.net wrote: Am 13.03.2012 20:13, schrieb Michael Mol: On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 2:58 PM, Florian Philipp li...@binarywings.net wrote: Am 13.03.2012 19:18, schrieb Michael Mol: On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 2:06 PM, Florian Philipp

Re: [gentoo-user] Beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev; version 5 - failure :-(

2012-03-13 Thread Alan Mackenzie
Hello, Walter, On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 03:00:52PM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 01:05:34PM +, Alan Mackenzie wrote I also did 2 {system,world}.err. system.err was empty. I've included world.err in the enclosed tarball. From your error listing, it looks like

Re: [gentoo-user] hard drive encryption

2012-03-13 Thread Florian Philipp
Am 13.03.2012 20:07, schrieb Stroller: On 13 March 2012, at 18:18, Michael Mol wrote: ... So I assume the i586 version is better for you --- unless GCC suddenly got a lot better at optimizing code. Since when, exactly? GCC isn't the best compiler at optimization, but I fully expect

Re: [gentoo-user] hard drive encryption

2012-03-13 Thread Florian Philipp
Am 13.03.2012 20:38, schrieb Michael Mol: On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 3:07 PM, Stroller strol...@stellar.eclipse.co.uk wrote: On 13 March 2012, at 18:18, Michael Mol wrote: ... So I assume the i586 version is better for you --- unless GCC suddenly got a lot better at optimizing code. Since

Re: [gentoo-user] hard drive encryption

2012-03-13 Thread Florian Philipp
This thread is becoming ridiculously long. Just as a last side-note: One of the primary reasons that the IA64 architecture failed was that it relied on the compiler to optimize the code in order to exploit the massive instruction-level parallelism the CPU offered. Compilers never became

Re: [gentoo-user] Beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev; version 5 - failure :-(

2012-03-13 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 1:47 PM, Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote: Hello, Walter, On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 03:00:52PM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 01:05:34PM +, Alan Mackenzie wrote I also did 2 {system,world}.err.  system.err was empty.  I've included world.err in

Re: [gentoo-user] Beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev; version 6

2012-03-13 Thread Walter Dnes
This revision includes some checking to see if your system can run without udev. In general, if you use any of... * GNOME * KDE * XFCE * lvm2 ... you probably need udev, so mdev is not for you. I've also found one situation where I need to take one extra step to run without udev. I have a

Re: [gentoo-user] Beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev; version 5 - failure :-(

2012-03-13 Thread Bruce Hill, Jr.
On March 13, 2012 at 4:27 PM Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: snip Fringe programs will not require udev, or it will be optional; but the moment a fringe program reaches critical mass to become maistream, the probability of it needing udev (directly or indirectly) will increase.

Re: [gentoo-user] gnome tracker for thunderbird

2012-03-13 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
Am 12.03.2012 12:24, schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger: I only recently emerged the gnome tracker and try to index my thunderbird emails. tracker-control -l shows that the email-miner is/seems disabled. I used USE=thunderbird for app-misc/tracker and I see the addon Trackerbird within

Re: [gentoo-user] hard drive encryption

2012-03-13 Thread Frank Steinmetzger
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 07:58:55PM +0100, Florian Philipp wrote: From what I can see in the kernel sources, there is a generic AES implementation using nothing but portable C code and then there is aes-i586 assembler code with aes_glue C code. So I assume the i586 version is better

Re: [gentoo-user] Beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev; version 5 - failure :-(

2012-03-13 Thread Alan Mackenzie
Hello, Canek, I thought you'd be replying to me here. :-) On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 02:27:25PM -0600, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 1:47 PM, Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote: Hello, Walter, On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 03:00:52PM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: On Tue, Mar 13,

Re: [gentoo-user] Beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev; version 5 - failure :-(

2012-03-13 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Bruce Hill, Jr. da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote: On March 13, 2012 at 4:27 PM Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: snip Fringe programs will not require udev, or it will be optional; but the moment a fringe program reaches critical mass to

Re: [gentoo-user] Beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev; version 5 - failure :-(

2012-03-13 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 21:07:37 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote: But I really meant what functionality udev has that mdev lacks. For example, mdev this morning recognised my USB stick being inserted, and created /dev/sdc for it. udev does a *lot* more than that, for example the persistent naming of

Re: [gentoo-user] how updating to gnome3 ?!

2012-03-13 Thread Tamer Higazi
Hi Alan! you were right. It is masked! I figured out that autounmask is not in portage, because of that I believe that this might not be the only package that is masked tamer@office ~ $ emerge -pv =gnome-3.2.1 These are the packages that would be merged, in order: Calculating

Re: [gentoo-user] Beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev; version 5 - failure :-(

2012-03-13 Thread Bruce Hill, Jr.
On March 13, 2012 at 5:22 PM Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Bruce Hill, Jr. da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote: On March 13, 2012 at 4:27 PM Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: snip Fringe programs will not require

Re: [gentoo-user] Beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev; version 5 - failure :-(

2012-03-13 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 3:35 PM, Bruce Hill, Jr. da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote: On March 13, 2012 at 5:22 PM Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Bruce Hill, Jr. da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote: On March 13, 2012 at 4:27 PM

Re: [gentoo-user] Beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev; version 5 - failure :-(

2012-03-13 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 17:35:05 -0400 (EDT) Bruce Hill, Jr. da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote: On March 13, 2012 at 5:22 PM Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Bruce Hill, Jr. da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote: On March 13,

Re: [gentoo-user] how updating to gnome3 ?!

2012-03-13 Thread Alan McKinnon
Let's deal with your biggest mistake first. You are running a stable system (you have ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=amd64 in make,conf) but you want to install gnome-3. Now that is highly unlikely to work for a very long time yet as gnome-3 is considered nowhere near stable enough yet to be unmasked. Portage

[gentoo-user] virt-manager-0.9.1 broken?

2012-03-13 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
Anyone else seeing this? No bugreport yet, and I rebuilt and revdeped Stefan

Re: [gentoo-user] virt-manager-0.9.1 broken?

2012-03-13 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 23:13:33 +0100 Stefan G. Weichinger li...@xunil.at wrote: Anyone else seeing this? No bugreport yet, and I rebuilt and revdeped Stefan I'm thinking you hit send before typing up the bit where you say what the issue is you are having. -- Alan McKinnnon

Re: [gentoo-user] Beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev; version 5 - failure :-(

2012-03-13 Thread Alan Mackenzie
Hello, Neil. On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 09:33:30PM +, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 21:07:37 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote: But I really meant what functionality udev has that mdev lacks. For example, mdev this morning recognised my USB stick being inserted, and created

Re: [gentoo-user] Beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev; version 5 - failure :-(

2012-03-13 Thread Bruce Hill, Jr.
On March 13, 2012 at 5:49 PM Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: Just what I was saying: I said (right there) the probability of it needing udev (directly or indirectly) will increase. I did not say it would *need* udev for sure; just that the probability of it needing udev would

Re: [gentoo-user] Beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev; version 5 - failure :-(

2012-03-13 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 4:20 PM, Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote: Hello, Neil. On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 09:33:30PM +, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 21:07:37 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote: But I really meant what functionality udev has that mdev lacks.  For example, mdev this

Re: [gentoo-user] virt-manager-0.9.1 broken?

2012-03-13 Thread Bruce Hill, Jr.
On March 13, 2012 at 6:13 PM Stefan G. Weichinger li...@xunil.at wrote: Anyone else seeing this? No bugreport yet, and I rebuilt and revdeped Stefan There is a stabilization request for it: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=407559 -- Happy Penguin Computers`) 126 Fenco

Re: [gentoo-user] Beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev; version 5 - failure :-(

2012-03-13 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 4:36 PM, Bruce Hill, Jr. da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote: On March 13, 2012 at 5:49 PM Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: Just what I was saying: I said (right there) the probability of it needing udev (directly or indirectly) will increase. I did

Re: [gentoo-user] Beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev; version 5 - failure :-(

2012-03-13 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 22:20:19 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote: udev does a *lot* more than that, for example the persistent naming of network interfaces. More significantly, it can run programs based on device rules. This is where I start getting unhappy. Is there any need for this

Re: [gentoo-user] Beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev; version 5 - failure :-(

2012-03-13 Thread Alan Mackenzie
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 04:38:08PM -0600, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 4:20 PM, Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote: Hello, Neil. On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 09:33:30PM +, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 21:07:37 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote: But I really

Re: [gentoo-user] how updating to gnome3 ?!

2012-03-13 Thread Tamer Higazi
Thank you very much Alan! I keep the finger away of it. And continue running Gnome2. Not important for me updating the wm to gnome3. It's a developer machine. :-) Tamer Am 13.03.2012 23:10, schrieb Alan McKinnon: Let's deal with your biggest mistake first. You are running a stable system

Re: [gentoo-user] Beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev; version 5 - failure :-(

2012-03-13 Thread Alan Mackenzie
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 11:03:50PM +, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 22:20:19 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote: udev does a *lot* more than that, for example the persistent naming of network interfaces. More significantly, it can run programs based on device rules. This is

Re: [gentoo-user] Beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev; version 5 - failure :-(

2012-03-13 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 5:03 PM, Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote: On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 04:38:08PM -0600, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 4:20 PM, Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote: Hello, Neil. On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 09:33:30PM +, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Tue, 13

Re: [gentoo-user] Beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev; version 5 - failure :-(

2012-03-13 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Mar 14, 2012 7:10 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: 8 snippage So, you need something to handle device files on /dev, so you don't need every possible device file for every possible piece of hardware. But then you want to handle the same device with the same device

[gentoo-user] suspend/hibernate and genkernel.

2012-03-13 Thread William Kenworthy
I am trying to get my system(s) ready for the new (read crappy) way mandated by udev and am having some issues. I usually manually compile my kernels, use tuxonice and dont use an initrd/initramfs. As ToI is not available for the latest kernels, I updated openrc and installed genkernel but then

Re: [gentoo-user] suspend/hibernate and genkernel.

2012-03-13 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 9:13 PM, William Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au wrote: I am trying to get my system(s) ready for the new (read crappy) way mandated by udev and am having some issues. I usually manually compile my kernels, use tuxonice  and dont use an initrd/initramfs. As ToI is not

Re: [gentoo-user] suspend/hibernate and genkernel.

2012-03-13 Thread William Kenworthy
On Wed, 2012-03-14 at 11:13 +0800, William Kenworthy wrote: I am trying to get my system(s) ready for the new (read crappy) way mandated by udev and am having some issues. I usually manually compile my kernels, use tuxonice and dont use an initrd/initramfs. As ToI is not available for