Re: [gentoo-user] kernels swap usage
Am 07.08.2012 07:02, schrieb Philip Webb: Just an observation : when I updated Libre Office Firefox this week, neither compile used swap (I have 4 GB RAM); OTOH when I did them the previous time, both did use swap; the total time the HDD usage remained almost the same. In between, I updated the Kernel 3.0.0 - 3.4.0 , but made no other changes in config files etc. Does anyone have thoughts re the effect of kernel versions on swapping ? Did Firefox ever actually need to swap? Here it does a fair share of disk I/O (some python script?) but never actually needs lots of memory. With Libre Office, it could be their recent code cleaning effort. They removed large amounts of cruft. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Want to seriously test a NEW hard drive
William Kenworthy wrote: On Tue, 2012-08-07 at 23:18 -0500, Dale wrote: William Kenworthy wrote: On Tue, 2012-08-07 at 21:19 -0500, Dale wrote: Paul Hartman wrote: On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 5:26 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: ... Goggle have a well known document (http://research.google.com/archive/disk_failures.pdf) where they analysed hard drive failures for a very large number of drives ... the basic upshot is that a very large portion of failures happen with no pre-warning, so testing a drive like you are proposing not going to prove a thing. They also found that smart (is quite dumb) and its tests were of little use. And high temperatures and work loads were also not a reliable guide to trends in failure rates, both of which which surprised me. Some of those bathtub curves that I was trained on when setting maintenance schedules dont hold water here! This anaysis of the paper looks quite good if you want the lite view: http://storagemojo.com/2007/02/19/googles-disk-failure-experience/ BillK Well, I am going by actual real experiences from other users of this model of drive. I don't know what google was testing but I would bet it is not the drive model I just bought. The users who bought this exact model drive report that most failures are either out of the box or within a few weeks to a month. I'm just going to try to increase my odds even if it is just a little bit. Smart may not always predict a failure but it is better than nothing at all. Would you rather have a tool that may predict a failure or no tool at all? Me, I'd rather have something that at least tries too. The one drive I had to go bad, Smart predicted it very well. It said I had about 24 hrs to get my stuff off. Sure enough, the next day, it wouldn't do anything but spin. Without Smart and its prediction, I'd have lost the data on the drive with no warning at all. A couple questions. What if while I am testing this drive, it dies? Does that prove that my testing benefited me then? Dale :-) :-) Read the paper - its written by someone who buys drives in batches of 100's+, not by a few guys posting on a forum somewhere who bought one random drive, who probably didn't use anti-static techniques handling the drive, and thumped it around in the boot of the car or got it via the courier who was famous for delivering TV's by throwing them over the fence. It is a bit of an eye opener - read it. My impression of models is that it is not really the model that has a run of failures, but the batch so a different run of the same model will have a different failure pattern. There are exceptions such as those IBM 60G deathstar drives, but then again they fixed it and following drives of the same model were fine. My own experience of smart is it tells you something, but what it seems to say is not right (notice I am not saying it tells lies, but that the data and interpretation don't make sense on the drives Ive had) Drive failure does seem to be a semi-random lottery, but I am seriously doubtful that testing will do anything ... it has as much chance of precipitating failure that wouldn't occur otherwise because you are seriously hammering it, or weakening the drive so it will fail at some random time, but perhaps weeks away rather than the years it otherwise would, or nothing will happen except for wasted electrons. Then again, I am of the view that modern electronics is designed/programmed to fail a few seconds past warranty expiry (why else do most devices have timekeeping built in :) BillK Actually, I read the paper a long time ago. May give it another look but I'm still going by what people have posted about this specific model. If they make them all the same, then testing to at least see if it is going to get past the initial stages is a good idea. I do think some failures were because of the BIOS and I stated that in my original post. Getting a DOA drive can happen but when there are mobos around that can't see large drives, then one has to consider it. The ones I worry about are the ones that worked for a few weeks or a month then died. They obviously don't have BIOS issues but some other problem. Still, all things considered, I'm going to test the drive. If it can pass the test then I will feel better about putting my data on it. As for the paper: root@fireball / # ls -al /home/dale/Desktop/disk_failures.pdf -rw-r--r-- 1 dale users 247492 May 21 17:58 /home/dale/Desktop/disk_failures.pdf root@fireball / # I read it back in May. It's still sitting on my desktop. I might also add, it is about 5 years old. Drives have changed since then. For one, they have gotten larger. We don't know what else may have changed either. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
Re: [gentoo-user] Want to seriously test a NEW hard drive
On Wednesday 08 August 2012 01:32:55 Mark Knecht wrote: On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 4:06 PM, Peter Humphrey pe...@humphrey.ukfsn.org wrote: On Tuesday 07 August 2012 23:39:05 Mark Knecht wrote: Dead out of the box is dead. However a drive failing in a couple of months _might_ have showed up in the smartctl output ... I wonder. Does anyone here know what most often causes HD failure after a couple of months? I imagine it's some component whose material is substandard, in which case it might show up with smartclt or it might not. I dunno. -- Rgds Peter This has come up before on this list I think. I must have missed it then. This is the overarching sort of thinking about failure over lifetime... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bathtub_curve Yes, I'm familiar with that idea thanks. I was wondering what specific causes were most implicated. -- Rgds Peter
Re: [gentoo-user] kernels swap usage
120808 Florian Philipp wrote: Am 07.08.2012 07:02, schrieb Philip Webb: Just an observation : when I updated Libre Office Firefox this week, neither compile used swap (I have 4 GB RAM); OTOH when I did them the previous time, both did use swap; the total time the HDD usage remained almost the same. In between, I updated the Kernel 3.0.0 - 3.4.0 , but made no other changes in config files etc. Did Firefox ever actually need to swap? Here it does a fair share of disk I/O (some python script?) but never actually needs lots of memory. With Libre Office, it could be their recent code cleaning effort. They removed large amounts of cruft. Sorry, perhaps I didn't make it clear enough: I'm refering to the process of compiling the pkgs via Portage, not to using them after they have been installed. Both packages used noticeably less memory during the compile stage on the latest occasion in contrast to the previous Emerges. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
[gentoo-user] Where to discuss ARM stuff.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Want to seriously test a NEW hard drive
On Wednesday 08 Aug 2012 05:21:31 Adam Carter wrote: To wipe a drive use dban. - live CD which uses (US) gov approved standards of wipe methods/patterns. Or shred, which comes with coreutils. dd is only going to show sectors on a failed drive - too late! To explain, modern drives have a store of locations they can use to transparently replace any failed locations (apparently similar to the way SSD's do it) - the internal drive electronics handle this and its not visible externally though smart data seems to show it, but as google says, smart is a bit suspect. The problem of a bad sector will only show once all the reserved locations are used up, by which time the drive is usually in rampant failure. I do suspect this is one reason for googles results - actual failures of the media (as against the motors/electronics are much as they always have been, but the drives are not reporting them until its too late. Ahh - go to know. My reasoning assumed that smart reports all remaps. May be it does, but I understand that dd or shred won't overwrite them, or any bad blocks. You'll need the hdparm ATA secure erase (or enhanced secure erase) feature for that. BTW, Dale make sure that you plug the drive in a SATA controller for running the hdparm erase function. It has been reported that doing this using a USB port will brick the drive! -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Where to discuss ARM stuff.
On 08/08/2012 02:03 PM, Norman Rieß wrote: i am running Gentoo on an ARM device and ran into a problem building binutils. What problem? I have no experience on Gentoo/ARM but some on buildroot/ARM. raf
Re: [gentoo-user] Want to seriously test a NEW hard drive
Mick wrote: On Wednesday 08 Aug 2012 05:21:31 Adam Carter wrote: To wipe a drive use dban. - live CD which uses (US) gov approved standards of wipe methods/patterns. Or shred, which comes with coreutils. dd is only going to show sectors on a failed drive - too late! To explain, modern drives have a store of locations they can use to transparently replace any failed locations (apparently similar to the way SSD's do it) - the internal drive electronics handle this and its not visible externally though smart data seems to show it, but as google says, smart is a bit suspect. The problem of a bad sector will only show once all the reserved locations are used up, by which time the drive is usually in rampant failure. I do suspect this is one reason for googles results - actual failures of the media (as against the motors/electronics are much as they always have been, but the drives are not reporting them until its too late. Ahh - go to know. My reasoning assumed that smart reports all remaps. May be it does, but I understand that dd or shred won't overwrite them, or any bad blocks. You'll need the hdparm ATA secure erase (or enhanced secure erase) feature for that. BTW, Dale make sure that you plug the drive in a SATA controller for running the hdparm erase function. It has been reported that doing this using a USB port will brick the drive! I don't use USB for drives, except the USB stick thingys. I have a question sort of related to this. Anyone can share info. I see boxes that hold drives in them and connect via ethernet or something like that. Do those work really well? I thought about getting one someday but I don't know what they do and how they do it EXACTLY. Is it like a small puter in there or some other means of getting the data across? Right now, I like having my drives in my Cooler Master case. The fan blows right on the drives so they stay nice and cool. But, I have given thought to having the non OS drives in one of those little boxes, maybe using RAID and mirroring the data on two drives. Just what magic is in those things? Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
Re: [gentoo-user] Where to discuss ARM stuff.
Am 08.08.2012 14:03, schrieb Norman Rieß: Hello, i am running Gentoo on an ARM device and ran into a problem building binutils. I thought to asked about that on an gentoo-arm mailing list, but found, that this list ist listed as closed. So is there an apropriate list or ressource dedicated to that or does gentoo-user cover this? Regards, Norman When in doubt, gentoo-user covers it. gentoo-alt might also be worth a try. Regards, Florian Philipp signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[gentoo-user] recovering pam.d directory
Hi all, By incident I removed the pam.d directory containing all pam modules from command line. Is there a way to recover the removed directory? any help is appreciated since I can't login to my computer without live cd anymore. Marcello
Re: [gentoo-user] kernels swap usage
Am 08.08.2012 11:33, schrieb Philip Webb: 120808 Florian Philipp wrote: Am 07.08.2012 07:02, schrieb Philip Webb: Just an observation : when I updated Libre Office Firefox this week, neither compile used swap (I have 4 GB RAM); OTOH when I did them the previous time, both did use swap; the total time the HDD usage remained almost the same. In between, I updated the Kernel 3.0.0 - 3.4.0 , but made no other changes in config files etc. Did Firefox ever actually need to swap? Here it does a fair share of disk I/O (some python script?) but never actually needs lots of memory. With Libre Office, it could be their recent code cleaning effort. They removed large amounts of cruft. Sorry, perhaps I didn't make it clear enough: I'm refering to the process of compiling the pkgs via Portage, not to using them after they have been installed. Both packages used noticeably less memory during the compile stage on the latest occasion in contrast to the previous Emerges. No, you made yourself clear. I didn't. I meant the compiling, too. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] recovering pam.d directory
On Wed, 8 Aug 2012 13:24:17 + Marcello Varisco marcelo.vares...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi all, By incident I removed the pam.d directory containing all pam modules from command line. Is there a way to recover the removed directory? any help is appreciated since I can't login to my computer without live cd anymore. Unless you have some amazing recovery tools to had (most people don't) you can't easily recover those files. pam.d isn't put there by a single package, everything that uses pam is liable to write it's own custom file there. You can regain your ability to log in by remerging these packages: sys-apps/shadow sys-auth/pambase To do that, you will need to boot off a livecd and chroot. Then a reboot should see you fine. Then you could rememrge everything that has pam in USE and hope this is enough. Or, you could restore from backups. You *do* have backups of /etc, right? -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo: stock trading tools ?
Mark Knecht markknecht at gmail.com writes: Each Windows VM has it's own Windows license as well as it's own virus protection license. I run different trading apps in different VMs. All trading VMs are Virtualbox. You have given me much to research, think about, and purchase some new hardware for If I was to choose Wine it's left to me to figure out if the apps even function, much less work correctly. I just don't have time for that. I successfully set up AutoCad 2000 on (Gentoo) wine in 2004. It still runs well with the upgrades to wine, over the years However, it was a TIME SINK and I do not even feel like I know wine all that well I do not have the time to burn, as you have correctly articulated. On the other hand the VM model is proven world wide in a huge number of application spaces. It's really stable, powerful and reasonably easy to use. It is the 'cloud'. Do you, or anyone else have a a wiki or reading materials so I can read up more on this approach, as opposed to hacking until I think it's ready? I've mostly avoided windows over the years. My professional retirement investment advisers big name are really stupid and manipulative. My stock picks out perform theirs hands down. So I'm going with etrade, TD_Ameritrade or somebody like that. Any suggestions are most welcome, even if private. Mark
Re: [gentoo-user] Want to seriously test a NEW hard drive
Sent from my Android device. On Aug 6, 2012 4:22 PM, Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 7:45 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Howdy, I finally got me a 3Tb drive on the way. Should be here Wednesday. I have seen some reviews where it would not work right. I think some of it may be BIOS related since some BIOS's don't like drives that large. Anyway, I want to test this thing real good to really make sure it is up to the task before putting my data on it. It's going to be so much data, there is really no way to do back-ups at this point. Come on, 2 to 3Tbs on 4Gb DVDs. Really? lol Maybe a external drive later on but for now, well. I have heard of bonnie and friends. I also think dd could do some testing too. Is there any other way to give this a good work and see if it holds up? Oh, helpful hints with Bonnie would be great too. I have never used it before. Maybe someone has some test that is really brutal. I wouldn't want to torture the drive, but just make sure it works. What I do: boot parted magic liveCD, run ATA SECURE ERASE on the drive (you probably need to suspend and awaken your machine to unlock the drive, the GUI tool in the liveCD does this for you automatically), that will do factory reformat/low-level reformat, then run SMART full test which can take many hours. If it survives both of those, and doesn't make audible clicking noises in the process, I feel confident that it is in working order. Those steps are more important if I'm testing a used or refurbished drive, for a new drive you may want to skip the secure erase and only do the smart test. If SMART test passes then I don't think there's any reason to run badblocks, but you can have it run during mkfs if you want reassurance.
Re: [gentoo-user] Want to seriously test a NEW hard drive
On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 9:19 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: 4 or 5 hours huh. I guess drives are a lot faster now. Back in the late 80's or early 90's, it took that long for those whimpy little 100Mb drives. Ooops, my ages is showing again. lol I recently found a box of hard drives in my house and have been using ddrescue to pull the data off of them. These drives were not that old, around 1gb each. Desktop drives. I was amazed at how slow they were relative to today's drives... 2MB/sec? 5MB/sec? My internet connection is faster than that now. Also, found a dead 5.25 Quantum hard drive... forgot how huge those are. Weighed a ton and it was built like a tank. Your new drive will probably go around 100-150MB/sec or so on sequential writes. So you can do the math and figure out how many hours that will take.
[gentoo-user] Re: Where to discuss ARM stuff.
Norman Rieß norman at smash-net.org writes: i am running Gentoo on an ARM device and ran into a problem building binutils. I thought to asked about that on an gentoo-arm mailing list, but found, that this list ist listed as closed. So is there an apropriate list or ressource dedicated to that or does gentoo-user cover this? gentoo-embedded is your best best. http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/irc.xml There is also a gentoo-embedded discussion group, but it is mostly used for announcements, only occasionally having material submitted for discussion, so it is a slow ride for answers. Also look at the embedded handbook. http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/base/embedded/handbook/ hth, James
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo: stock trading tools ?
On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 7:42 AM, James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: Mark Knecht markknecht at gmail.com writes: SNIP Any suggestions are most welcome, even if private. I suggest anything not specifically Gentoo oriented be addressed offline. If someone wants to get in touch privately please identify yourself clear as a Gentoo user with some reference to a post you've made on this list so I know I'm dealing with a real person and not some spam generator reading the Gentoo list. I enjoy talking about trading stuff when I have time, but this isn't the forum to do so. Thanks, Mark
Re: [gentoo-user] Want to seriously test a NEW hard drive
Paul Hartman wrote: On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 9:19 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: 4 or 5 hours huh. I guess drives are a lot faster now. Back in the late 80's or early 90's, it took that long for those whimpy little 100Mb drives. Ooops, my ages is showing again. lol I recently found a box of hard drives in my house and have been using ddrescue to pull the data off of them. These drives were not that old, around 1gb each. Desktop drives. I was amazed at how slow they were relative to today's drives... 2MB/sec? 5MB/sec? My internet connection is faster than that now. Also, found a dead 5.25 Quantum hard drive... forgot how huge those are. Weighed a ton and it was built like a tank. Your new drive will probably go around 100-150MB/sec or so on sequential writes. So you can do the math and figure out how many hours that will take. It won't be that fast. The drive supports 6Gbs/sec but my mobo is only 3Gbs/sec. I hope to upgrade my mobo at some point. Then maybe the ram and CPU. I been looking at those 8 core CPUs a bit. The prices are coming down slowly. Anyway, I'll only get the 3Gbs/sec for now. I used to have a couple of those really old 14 inch hard drives. I think I sold them for scrap a few years ago. They were mostly aluminium if I recall correctly. They were only a few megabytes but they sure was big. Our age is showing. lol I bet folks know I am not a teenager now. ;-) Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
[gentoo-user] Packages
Hello, when i understand correctly so give it Gentoo Packages with can installed. Where can find this packages? Because i has clean my Netbook now from Sabayon and have installed Gentoo directly. But build Libreoffice need much time, so where better to find a package? Is there a chance or must built from sources? Thanks Regards Silvio
Re: [gentoo-user] Packages
On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 9:16 AM, Silvio Siefke siefke_lis...@web.de wrote: Hello, when i understand correctly so give it Gentoo Packages with can installed. Where can find this packages? Because i has clean my Netbook now from Sabayon and have installed Gentoo directly. But build Libreoffice need much time, so where better to find a package? Is there a chance or must built from sources? Thanks Regards Silvio Hi Silvio, I'm not sure I understand your question. Are you asking where you can get a pre-built 'package'? I.e. - Gentoo builds from source code but you don't want to build libreoffice from source so you want a pre-built version? If that's your question then the generic answer is that Gentoo does not supply pre-built packages. That said there are a few packages that are supplied prebuilt and libreoffice is one of them. emerge libreoffice-bin. If that's not the answer you are looking for then ask again. HTH, Mark
Re: [gentoo-user] kernels swap usage
Am Dienstag, 7. August 2012, 01:02:29 schrieb Philip Webb: Just an observation : when I updated Libre Office Firefox this week, neither compile used swap (I have 4 GB RAM); OTOH when I did them the previous time, both did use swap; the total time the HDD usage remained almost the same. In between, I updated the Kernel 3.0.0 - 3.4.0 , but made no other changes in config files etc. Does anyone have thoughts re the effect of kernel versions on swapping ? different kernel versions are more or less swap happy. Has always been the case. (I remember 2.2.10 - extreme swapping even with lots of ram... and 2.2.14 - no swapping at all...) -- #163933
Re: [gentoo-user] Packages
Hello, On Wed, 8 Aug 2012 09:32:55 -0700 Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Silvio, I'm not sure I understand your question. Are you asking where you can get a pre-built 'package'? I.e. - Gentoo builds from source code but you don't want to build libreoffice from source so you want a pre-built version? Yes thats was the question. Sorry for my english. Yes so i accept to build all from source, but Libreoffice from source on a Atom need not hours, need days. If that's your question then the generic answer is that Gentoo does not supply pre-built packages. That said there are a few packages that are supplied prebuilt and libreoffice is one of them. emerge libreoffice-bin. Yes, the Description explain it. I must go to the doctor, need new glasses. Thank you Regards Silvio
Re: [gentoo-user] Want to seriously test a NEW hard drive
Dale wrote: Howdy, I finally got me a 3Tb drive on the way. Should be here Wednesday. I have seen some reviews where it would not work right. I think some of it may be BIOS related since some BIOS's don't like drives that large. Anyway, I want to test this thing real good to really make sure it is up to the task before putting my data on it. It's going to be so much data, there is really no way to do back-ups at this point. Come on, 2 to 3Tbs on 4Gb DVDs. Really? lol Maybe a external drive later on but for now, well. I have heard of bonnie and friends. I also think dd could do some testing too. Is there any other way to give this a good work and see if it holds up? Oh, helpful hints with Bonnie would be great too. I have never used it before. Maybe someone has some test that is really brutal. Thanks Dale :-) :-) Update. I went to the mailbox and there was a nice pretty brown box. Bad thing is, drive is OEM with just a blister pack around it. The box had almost no packing, just a small amount of brown paper. Eww! It was just flopping around in the box. Anyway, I stole a SATA cable from another rig and got this: root@fireball / # smartctl -t long /dev/sdd smartctl 5.42 2011-10-20 r3458 [x86_64-linux-3.5.0-gentoo] (local build) Copyright (C) 2002-11 by Bruce Allen, http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net === START OF OFFLINE IMMEDIATE AND SELF-TEST SECTION === Sending command: Execute SMART Extended self-test routine immediately in off-line mode. Drive command Execute SMART Extended self-test routine immediately in off-line mode successful. Testing has begun. Please wait 255 minutes for test to complete. Test will complete after Wed Aug 8 17:10:46 2012 Use smartctl -X to abort test. root@fireball / # 255 minutes. Wow. My plan, let this test finish, do a little bit of copy and rm, then test again. I figure copying 800Gbs to it should give it a little bit of a work out since I will be doing it twice. Yeppie. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
Re: [gentoo-user] Packages
On Wed, 8 Aug 2012 19:53:46 +0200, Silvio Siefke wrote: Yes thats was the question. Sorry for my english. Yes so i accept to build all from source, but Libreoffice from source on a Atom need not hours, need days. Only hours, but quite a lot of them. About 16 IIRC. -- Neil Bothwick You have the capacity to learn from mistakes. You'll learn a lot today. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Want to seriously test a NEW hard drive
On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 11:02 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Dale wrote: Howdy, I finally got me a 3Tb drive on the way. Should be here Wednesday. I have seen some reviews where it would not work right. I think some of it may be BIOS related since some BIOS's don't like drives that large. Anyway, I want to test this thing real good to really make sure it is up to the task before putting my data on it. It's going to be so much data, there is really no way to do back-ups at this point. Come on, 2 to 3Tbs on 4Gb DVDs. Really? lol Maybe a external drive later on but for now, well. I have heard of bonnie and friends. I also think dd could do some testing too. Is there any other way to give this a good work and see if it holds up? Oh, helpful hints with Bonnie would be great too. I have never used it before. Maybe someone has some test that is really brutal. Thanks Dale :-) :-) Update. I went to the mailbox and there was a nice pretty brown box. Bad thing is, drive is OEM with just a blister pack around it. The box had almost no packing, just a small amount of brown paper. Eww! It was just flopping around in the box. Anyway, I stole a SATA cable from another rig and got this: root@fireball / # smartctl -t long /dev/sdd smartctl 5.42 2011-10-20 r3458 [x86_64-linux-3.5.0-gentoo] (local build) Copyright (C) 2002-11 by Bruce Allen, http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net === START OF OFFLINE IMMEDIATE AND SELF-TEST SECTION === Sending command: Execute SMART Extended self-test routine immediately in off-line mode. Drive command Execute SMART Extended self-test routine immediately in off-line mode successful. Testing has begun. Please wait 255 minutes for test to complete. Test will complete after Wed Aug 8 17:10:46 2012 Use smartctl -X to abort test. root@fireball / # 255 minutes. Wow. My plan, let this test finish, do a little bit of copy and rm, then test again. I figure copying 800Gbs to it should give it a little bit of a work out since I will be doing it twice. Yeppie. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words! Now, don't you wear it out, you hear?!?!? ;-) If your machine runs all the time you can add smartctl runs as chron jobs that run at midnight and have the results emailed to you. Look at them once a week and other than an unpredictable catastrophic failure you'll likely know a long time before it fails. Cheers, Mark
Re: [gentoo-user] Packages
On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 11:24 AM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Wed, 8 Aug 2012 19:53:46 +0200, Silvio Siefke wrote: Yes thats was the question. Sorry for my english. Yes so i accept to build all from source, but Libreoffice from source on a Atom need not hours, need days. Only hours, but quite a lot of them. About 16 IIRC. I was surprised the other evening when updating my wife's machine that her Intel i7 needed around an hour to get that thing built from source. It drove the fan speed up enough that I could hear the machine working to get the job done. Think I need to open the box and clean the CPU fan as I now suspect it's clogged with dust... - Mark
Re: [gentoo-user] Want to seriously test a NEW hard drive
Mark Knecht wrote: Now, don't you wear it out, you hear?!?!? ;-) If your machine runs all the time you can add smartctl runs as chron jobs that run at midnight and have the results emailed to you. Look at them once a week and other than an unpredictable catastrophic failure you'll likely know a long time before it fails. Cheers, Mark Not going to wear it out but going to make sure it survived the trip across the country while bouncing around in the box. :/ Check this out: Aug 8 12:46:47 localhost smartd[2083]: Device: /dev/sdd, type changed from 'scsi' to 'sat' Aug 8 12:46:47 localhost smartd[2083]: Device: /dev/sdd [SAT], opened Aug 8 12:46:47 localhost smartd[2083]: Device: /dev/sdd [SAT], ST3000DM001-9YN166, S/N:Z1F0PKT5, WWN:5-000c50-04d79e15c, FW:CC4C, 3.00 TB Aug 8 12:46:47 localhost smartd[2083]: Device: /dev/sdd [SAT], not found in smartd database. Aug 8 12:46:47 localhost smartd[2083]: Device: /dev/sdd [SAT], is SMART capable. Adding to monitor list. And: Aug 8 13:46:47 localhost smartd[2085]: Device: /dev/sdd [SAT], self-test in progress, 80% remaining Aug 8 14:16:47 localhost smartd[2085]: Device: /dev/sdd [SAT], self-test in progress, 70% remaining Aug 8 14:46:48 localhost smartd[2085]: Device: /dev/sdd [SAT], self-test in progress, 60% remaining Aug 8 15:16:47 localhost smartd[2085]: Device: /dev/sdd [SAT], self-test in progress, 50% remaining Aug 8 15:46:47 localhost smartd[2085]: Device: /dev/sdd [SAT], self-test in progress, 40% remaining Aug 8 16:16:47 localhost smartd[2085]: Device: /dev/sdd [SAT], self-test in progress, 30% remaining Aug 8 16:46:47 localhost smartd[2085]: Device: /dev/sdd [SAT], self-test in progress, 20% remaining It's working on it. ;-) Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
[gentoo-user] Getting apvlv running (My excellent adventure)
Earlier this year, my ISP changed their billing notification emails from application/pdf to application/octet-stream. Trying to view it from mutt showed binary gobbledygook. After some flailing around, I found out that I had to put an entry into .mailcap, namely... application/octet-stream; mimeopen %s When I tried to open a pdf file from mutt, I got a text dialogue asking me which program to use. I chose /usr/bin/epdfview, and mutt has used that as the default ever since. Now epdfview is masked for removal in a few weeks. apvlv is the recommended lightweight alternative. After some screwing around and discovering an obscure bug in the apvlv ebuild, I finally got apvlv up and running. You ***MUST*** build poppler with USE=xpdf-headers, or else the apvlv ebuild dies. I reported the bug, and the apvlv ebuild now should check for app-text/poppler[xpf-headers]. I emerged and ran rox-mime-editor and have no clue what to do to change from epdfview to apvlv. There are no man or info files for rox-mime-editor. Is there a better alternative mime-editor? As a heavy-handed solution, I searched for the string epdfview in ~/.local. In ~/.local/share/applications/defaults.list I found an entry for pdf using epdfview. I zapped that line, and tried reading the pdf in mutt. I got the text dialogue again, and specified /usr/bin/apvlv. mutt now uses it all the time for pdf files. In contrast, Firefox is much easier, with a dialogue for applications. -- Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org
Re: [gentoo-user] Want to seriously test a NEW hard drive
Dale wrote: Not going to wear it out but going to make sure it survived the trip across the country while bouncing around in the box. :/ Check this out: Aug 8 12:46:47 localhost smartd[2083]: Device: /dev/sdd, type changed from 'scsi' to 'sat' Aug 8 12:46:47 localhost smartd[2083]: Device: /dev/sdd [SAT], opened Aug 8 12:46:47 localhost smartd[2083]: Device: /dev/sdd [SAT], ST3000DM001-9YN166, S/N:Z1F0PKT5, WWN:5-000c50-04d79e15c, FW:CC4C, 3.00 TB Aug 8 12:46:47 localhost smartd[2083]: Device: /dev/sdd [SAT], not found in smartd database. Aug 8 12:46:47 localhost smartd[2083]: Device: /dev/sdd [SAT], is SMART capable. Adding to monitor list. And: Aug 8 13:46:47 localhost smartd[2085]: Device: /dev/sdd [SAT], self-test in progress, 80% remaining Aug 8 14:16:47 localhost smartd[2085]: Device: /dev/sdd [SAT], self-test in progress, 70% remaining Aug 8 14:46:48 localhost smartd[2085]: Device: /dev/sdd [SAT], self-test in progress, 60% remaining Aug 8 15:16:47 localhost smartd[2085]: Device: /dev/sdd [SAT], self-test in progress, 50% remaining Aug 8 15:46:47 localhost smartd[2085]: Device: /dev/sdd [SAT], self-test in progress, 40% remaining Aug 8 16:16:47 localhost smartd[2085]: Device: /dev/sdd [SAT], self-test in progress, 30% remaining Aug 8 16:46:47 localhost smartd[2085]: Device: /dev/sdd [SAT], self-test in progress, 20% remaining It's working on it. ;-) Dale :-) :-) OK. Finished a selftest. So far, so good. Now, why didn't someone remind me that I had to use some special tool to partition this monster? It took some doing but I'm not sure I am doing this the right way. It works for testing tho. I used something called Gparted to partition this monster. This is temporary tho. What should I be using to partition this thing? What is the best, and easiest, tool for me to use? I have been using cfdisk in the past but it doesn't seem to work on this one. I do want one very large partition and plan to use LVM on it too. Oh, it would be nice if the tool is on LiveCDs, SystemRescue in my case. I use that when the stuff hits the fan and I am covered up pretty deep. ;-) Thoughts? Ideas? Suggestions? Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
Re: [gentoo-user] Where to discuss ARM stuff.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am 08.08.2012 14:14, schrieb Raffaele BELARDI: On 08/08/2012 02:03 PM, Norman Rieß wrote: i am running Gentoo on an ARM device and ran into a problem building binutils. What problem? I have no experience on Gentoo/ARM but some on buildroot/ARM. raf I have a problem compiling binutils. Full build log can be found here http://smash-net.org/temp/build_log.txt I tried tha vanilla flag and diabled zlib as suggested via google search, but neither did help. I also tried latest unstable version 2.29 i think. Any hint would be welcome. Norman -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJQI0mIAAoJEMCA6frkLT6zsqgIAI1as1BdYXEdK2o2HJCITGSN 29Y/Q6EV5iXQ03TwCQFR+SgMCHy4Z/BdwhrtG+tDC7BpqjoTEFKKG6NTz46wn93D odxhH8lQO1S7OhAUpeknHrxNKunCQicscVepi5S9qxmUklEw578/BCbdFRKgeLxv fDQfWRY0IYq4h/9eGm9FF4FfwtvKFuelXBKIGkDl7y9DY6jm/F7w+Gh0Y/IzqK1M A3pcLY4fSvvTAkOwzDrWZ49tlE/gIJ/UTmfS3IMgStfwColm31eboZhYE6Q3xppk HywrpK40lu1HfoHnP9AT0PnMm+VuqhTWbrdPHD79t7Y1Xio50M83PqbfUMhiLH4= =AJfb -END PGP SIGNATURE-
