[gentoo-user] *** STOP misuing this list for personal attacks ***

2014-03-22 Thread Helmut Jarausch
Please don't use this list for personal quarrels of any kind! If someone says something you don't like - just ignore it/him. If someone insults you, reply by personal mail only. If someone says something which is *technically* wrong, just correct the facts without getting personal. Thanks,

Re: [gentoo-user] *** STOP misuing this list for personal attacks ***

2014-03-22 Thread Dale
Helmut Jarausch wrote: Please don't use this list for personal quarrels of any kind! If someone says something you don't like - just ignore it/him. If someone insults you, reply by personal mail only. If someone says something which is *technically* wrong, just correct the facts without

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-22 Thread Mick
On Saturday 22 Mar 2014 00:28:04 Dale wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: Judging by replies so far, I'd guess not many at all. You can't possibly know how many will or will not plonk someone. In the meantime Dale, I think you are projecting. Chill out brother, chill out. Plenty stuff in the

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-22 Thread Dale
Mick wrote: On Saturday 22 Mar 2014 00:28:04 Dale wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: Judging by replies so far, I'd guess not many at all. You can't possibly know how many will or will not plonk someone. In the meantime Dale, I think you are projecting. Chill out brother, chill out. Plenty stuff in

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-22 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 22/03/2014 01:46, Tom Wijsman wrote: On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 00:34:55 +0200 Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: 2. A discussion forum. For these you do munge Reply-To: to be the list so all discussion happens on-list and is visible to all gentoo-user has always been the latter and

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-22 Thread Matti Nykyri
On Mar 22, 2014, at 12:34, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On 22/03/2014 01:46, Tom Wijsman wrote: On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 00:34:55 +0200 Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: 2. A discussion forum. For these you do munge Reply-To: to be the list so all discussion happens

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-22 Thread Dale
Matti Nykyri wrote: On Mar 22, 2014, at 12:34, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On 22/03/2014 01:46, Tom Wijsman wrote: On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 00:34:55 +0200 Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: 2. A discussion forum. For these you do munge Reply-To: to be the list so all

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-22 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 12:34:53 +0200 Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: I disagree. Can we agree to disagree? Your default position on things seems to be to favour the theoretical position over the reality. I'm the opposite, being a sysadmin and not a developer I'm a realist and not

Re: [gentoo-user] Portable Gentoo (Pen Drive Linux)

2014-03-22 Thread Brian Hesdorfer
On 3/21/2014 9:53 PM, Nilesh Govindrajan wrote: Hi, Since I don't have a laptop, I'm thinking of installing Gentoo on my USB 3 pen drive. I'll use binpkgs from my desktop so that pen drive lives long. Has anybody tried Samsung's F2FS? I heard it performs better than the traditional

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-22 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 12:57:40 +0200 Matti Nykyri matti.nyk...@iki.fi wrote: I agree. I think it is arrogant to disturb lots of people that have done nothing to deserve it. People should be let to choose them self what they wanna do with their lives. If they wish to disengage some conversation,

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-22 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 06:08:35 -0500 Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: To the point about folks unsubscribing, if they do unsubscribe from the list, it may be because they got what they want and do NOT want any more messages. Or it may be because they are tired of the flow of mails, but yet they

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-22 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 13:15:49 +0100, Tom Wijsman wrote: Here's something that works for the both of us: Request someone to not CC you in a follow-up mail when you catch them do it, they'll respect that; that's a guarantee that we can be certain that you are subscribed. I tried that, you cc'd

Re: [gentoo-user] Portable Gentoo (Pen Drive Linux)

2014-03-22 Thread Nilesh Govindrajan
On 22-Mar-2014 5:42 pm, Brian Hesdorfer zerop...@gmail.com wrote: On 3/21/2014 9:53 PM, Nilesh Govindrajan wrote: Hi, Since I don't have a laptop, I'm thinking of installing Gentoo on my USB 3 pen drive. I'll use binpkgs from my desktop so that pen drive lives long. Has anybody tried

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-22 Thread thegeezer
On 03/20/2014 06:42 PM, Tom Wijsman wrote: On Wed, 19 Feb 2014 10:19:43 + thegeezer thegee...@thegeezer.net wrote: the difficulty is that without knowing It is as easy as following the commits upstream makes, which is a short daily visit (or for less important followers, even weekly);

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-22 Thread thegeezer
On 03/22/2014 12:15 PM, Tom Wijsman wrote: That way; you respect that I want to spent my time to be guaranteed to be useful, I respect that you don't want to be CC-ed in follow-up mails. Similarly; if someone is off-list; it takes a single mail to keep me from sending additional mails. As it

Re: [gentoo-user] Portable Gentoo (Pen Drive Linux)

2014-03-22 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 22/03/2014 15:00, Nilesh Govindrajan wrote: On 22-Mar-2014 5:42 pm, Brian Hesdorfer zerop...@gmail.com mailto:zerop...@gmail.com wrote: On 3/21/2014 9:53 PM, Nilesh Govindrajan wrote: Hi, Since I don't have a laptop, I'm thinking of installing Gentoo on my USB 3 pen drive. I'll use

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-22 Thread thegeezer
On 03/22/2014 01:00 PM, thegeezer wrote: On 03/20/2014 06:42 PM, Tom Wijsman wrote: On Wed, 19 Feb 2014 10:19:43 + thegeezer thegee...@thegeezer.net wrote: the difficulty is that without knowing It is as easy as following the commits upstream makes, which is a short daily visit (or for

Re: [gentoo-user] Portable Gentoo (Pen Drive Linux)

2014-03-22 Thread Nilesh Govindrajan
On 22-Mar-2014 6:39 pm, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On 22/03/2014 15:00, Nilesh Govindrajan wrote: On 22-Mar-2014 5:42 pm, Brian Hesdorfer zerop...@gmail.com mailto:zerop...@gmail.com wrote: On 3/21/2014 9:53 PM, Nilesh Govindrajan wrote: Hi, Since I don't have

Re: [gentoo-user] Portable Gentoo (Pen Drive Linux)

2014-03-22 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 22/03/2014 15:12, Nilesh Govindrajan wrote: On 22-Mar-2014 6:39 pm, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com mailto:alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On 22/03/2014 15:00, Nilesh Govindrajan wrote: On 22-Mar-2014 5:42 pm, Brian Hesdorfer zerop...@gmail.com mailto:zerop...@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] Portable Gentoo (Pen Drive Linux)

2014-03-22 Thread Nilesh Govindrajan
On 22-Mar-2014 6:56 pm, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On 22/03/2014 15:12, Nilesh Govindrajan wrote: On 22-Mar-2014 6:39 pm, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com mailto:alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On 22/03/2014 15:00, Nilesh Govindrajan wrote: On 22-Mar-2014 5:42

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-22 Thread Tanstaafl
On 3/21/2014 5:57 PM, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: How does one send email to*THIS* list, without being subscribed in the first place? A bugzilla mailing list is a different matter. I think that is the main and primary point. I loathe lists that allow posts from non subscribers

Re: [gentoo-user] Portable Gentoo (Pen Drive Linux)

2014-03-22 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Saturday 22 Mar 2014 18:42:46 Nilesh Govindrajan wrote: ---8 What other distros are suited for this use case? I've installed that old favourite SysRescCD on a pen drive, following a method I found on the Web to include a persistent file-system with all the extras I wanted in, e.g.,

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-22 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 13:00:59 + thegeezer thegee...@thegeezer.net wrote: [...] so my point over 5 weeks ago was not about the difficulty in _finding_ the changes, Ah, thanks; I see. but about keeping track of those changes and implementing htem. Here, I would agree with if you have a lot

Re: [gentoo-user] *** STOP misuing this list for personal attacks ***

2014-03-22 Thread Tanstaafl
On 3/22/2014 5:06 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Helmut Jarausch wrote: Please don't use this list for personal quarrels of any kind! If someone says something you don't like - just ignore it/him. If someone insults you, reply by personal mail only. If someone says something which

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-22 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 12:56:17 + Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 13:15:49 +0100, Tom Wijsman wrote: Here's something that works for the both of us: Request someone to not CC you in a follow-up mail when you catch them do it, they'll respect that; that's a

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-22 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 09:35:50 -0400 Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: On 3/21/2014 5:57 PM, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: How does one send email to*THIS* list, without being subscribed in the first place? A bugzilla mailing list is a different matter. I think that is

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-22 Thread luis jure
el 2014-03-22 a las 15:50 Tom Wijsman escribió: How to set this up per folder? rigth-click on the folder, Properties... - Compose - default to:

Re: [gentoo-user] *** STOP misuing this list for personal attacks ***

2014-03-22 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 10:48:46 -0400 Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: On 3/22/2014 5:06 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Helmut Jarausch wrote: Please don't use this list for personal quarrels of any kind! If someone says something you don't like - just ignore it/him. If

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-22 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 12:28:25 -0300 luis jure l...@internet.com.uy wrote: el 2014-03-22 a las 15:50 Tom Wijsman escribió: How to set this up per folder? rigth-click on the folder, Properties... - Compose - default to: Thank you very much +1; I see some other features there too that

[gentoo-user] kde-misc/synaptiks crashes immediately

2014-03-22 Thread Alexander Puchmayr
Hi there, since the last world upgrade last week synaptiks no longer works on my laptop. x11-drivers/xf86-input-synaptics-1.7.1 kde-misc/synaptiks-0.8.1-r2 kde-base/kde-meta-4.11.5 dev-lang/python-2.7.5-r3 dev-lang/python-3.3.3 Symptom: Start synaptiks configuration module, get immedeately

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-22 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 16:38:54 +0100 Tom Wijsman tom...@gentoo.org wrote: On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 12:28:25 -0300 luis jure l...@internet.com.uy wrote: el 2014-03-22 a las 15:50 Tom Wijsman escribió: How to set this up per folder? rigth-click on the folder, Properties... - Compose -

Re: [gentoo-user] *** STOP misuing this list for personal attacks ***

2014-03-22 Thread Mateusz Kowalczyk
On 22/03/14 14:48, Tanstaafl wrote: On 3/22/2014 5:06 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Helmut Jarausch wrote: Please don't use this list for personal quarrels of any kind! If someone says something you don't like - just ignore it/him. If someone insults you, reply by personal mail only.

Re: [gentoo-user] kde-misc/synaptiks crashes immediately

2014-03-22 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 16:47:23 +0100 Alexander Puchmayr alexander.puchm...@linznet.at wrote: Symptom: Start synaptiks configuration module, get immedeately DrKonqi crash report (trace attached, likely not much useful since I disabled debug flags) Start either from kde systemsettings or konsole;

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-22 Thread Dale
Tanstaafl wrote: On 3/21/2014 5:57 PM, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: How does one send email to*THIS* list, without being subscribed in the first place? A bugzilla mailing list is a different matter. I think that is the main and primary point. I loathe lists that allow posts

Re: [gentoo-user] *** STOP misuing this list for personal attacks ***

2014-03-22 Thread Dale
Mateusz Kowalczyk wrote: On 22/03/14 14:48, Tanstaafl wrote: On 3/22/2014 5:06 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Helmut Jarausch wrote: Please don't use this list for personal quarrels of any kind! If someone says something you don't like - just ignore it/him. If someone insults you,

Re: [gentoo-user] Portable Gentoo (Pen Drive Linux)

2014-03-22 Thread Yohan Pereira
On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 7:27 PM, Peter Humphrey pe...@prh.myzen.co.uk wrote: On Saturday 22 Mar 2014 18:42:46 Nilesh Govindrajan wrote: ---8 What other distros are suited for this use case? I've installed that old favourite SysRescCD on a pen drive, following a method I found on the Web to

Re: [gentoo-user] *** STOP misuing this list for personal attacks ***

2014-03-22 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 12:29:20 -0500 Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Will, since Tom finally got the point and changed his email program to not CC his replies, it seems to me that Tanstaaf, others and myself were right. It is based on preventing those off-topic replies from being made. I'm

Re: [gentoo-user] Portable Gentoo (Pen Drive Linux)

2014-03-22 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 13:57:22 +, Peter Humphrey wrote: I've installed that old favourite SysRescCD on a pen drive, following a method I found on the Web to include a persistent file-system with all the extras I wanted in, e.g., /usr/local/bin. It works well, except that I haven't found

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-22 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 16:52:56 +0100, Tom Wijsman wrote: Thank you very much +1; I see some other features there too that can be handy, eg. subject RegExp simplification. Okay, the CCs have been removed; to anyone else wondering how to do, you can tick the box of the field (here: CC) you

Re: [gentoo-user] No motherboard beep since kernel upgrade

2014-03-22 Thread David Haller
Hello, On Sat, 22 Mar 2014, null_ptr wrote: modprobe pcspkr doesn't change anything. It is still silent. I also tried building it in the kernel. On the other hand from what I understand the snd_hda_intel should be doing the beeps when the mainboard does not have a physical speaker on the

[gentoo-user] Is there a known source of recent gentoo vm appliances?

2014-03-22 Thread Harry Putnam
Can anyone post a known source of recent gentoo based vm appliances? One that will work with VirtualBox would be especially handy.

Re: [gentoo-user] Is there a known source of recent gentoo vm appliances?

2014-03-22 Thread thegeezer
On 03/22/2014 08:58 PM, Harry Putnam wrote: Can anyone post a known source of recent gentoo based vm appliances? One that will work with VirtualBox would be especially handy. howdy what is it that you are hoping to achieve? 'gentoo' can be as little as the install cd or as large as a high

Re: [gentoo-user] Is there a known source of recent gentoo vm appliances?

2014-03-22 Thread thegeezer
On 03/22/2014 09:44 PM, thegeezer wrote: On 03/22/2014 08:58 PM, Harry Putnam wrote: Can anyone post a known source of recent gentoo based vm appliances? One that will work with VirtualBox would be especially handy. was curious though - a quick google search shows

[gentoo-user] Re: Is there a known source of recent gentoo vm appliances?

2014-03-22 Thread Harry Putnam
thegeezer thegee...@thegeezer.net writes: On 03/22/2014 09:44 PM, thegeezer wrote: On 03/22/2014 08:58 PM, Harry Putnam wrote: Can anyone post a known source of recent gentoo based vm appliances? One that will work with VirtualBox would be especially handy. was curious though - a quick

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is there a known source of recent gentoo vm appliances?

2014-03-22 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 23/03/2014 00:23, Harry Putnam wrote: thegeezer thegee...@thegeezer.net writes: On 03/22/2014 09:44 PM, thegeezer wrote: On 03/22/2014 08:58 PM, Harry Putnam wrote: Can anyone post a known source of recent gentoo based vm appliances? One that will work with VirtualBox would be

Re: [gentoo-user] No motherboard beep since kernel upgrade

2014-03-22 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am 22.03.2014 02:08, schrieb null_ptr: On 21/03/14 14:41, Lee wrote: I can't think of the name of the module, pcspkr IIRC or some such, but it prolly isn't loaded. Modprobe can tell you if it's available load it. On Mar 21, 2014 12:41 PM, Dat G rhan...@gmx.de wrote: On 21/03/14 19:54,

Re: [gentoo-user] No motherboard beep since kernel upgrade

2014-03-22 Thread null_ptr
On 22/03/14 23:40, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Am 22.03.2014 02:08, schrieb null_ptr: On 21/03/14 14:41, Lee wrote: I can't think of the name of the module, pcspkr IIRC or some such, but it prolly isn't loaded. Modprobe can tell you if it's available load it. On Mar 21, 2014 12:41 PM, Dat G

Re: [gentoo-user] No motherboard beep since kernel upgrade

2014-03-22 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am 23.03.2014 00:45, schrieb null_ptr: On 22/03/14 23:40, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Am 22.03.2014 02:08, schrieb null_ptr: On 21/03/14 14:41, Lee wrote: I can't think of the name of the module, pcspkr IIRC or some such, but it prolly isn't loaded. Modprobe can tell you if it's available

Re: [gentoo-user] No motherboard beep since kernel upgrade

2014-03-22 Thread David Haller
Hello, On Sun, 23 Mar 2014, null_ptr wrote: On 22/03/14 23:40, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Am 22.03.2014 02:08, schrieb null_ptr: modprobe pcspkr doesn't change anything. It is still silent. I also tried building it in the kernel. On the other hand from what I understand the snd_hda_intel should