Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is GWN dead?
Thufir wrote: On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 13:17:11 +, Qian Qiao wrote: I'm sorry this goes OT Dale, but unfortunately, my mail client cannot render html messages properly, and I trust a lot of people on the list have the same problem. If would be nice if you can post in plain text, at least in this list. Ditto, thanks for saying it. -Thufir Well actually it was pointed out, I think in another thread on this, that it was sending it both in plain text and HTML. That way your email client could pick n choose which one it wants to show you. Sort of leaves it up to you then. ;-) I like HTML myself. :D It should be set to text only now tho, which is what I thought it was all the time since I set it that way ages ago. Your welcome. Dale :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is GWN dead?
Alan McKinnon wrote: On Thursday 17 January 2008, Thufir wrote: On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 14:33:32 +, Qian Qiao wrote: What extra do you archieve if you install your Gentoo from a Gentoo LiveCD instead of a Knoppix CD? None! Stop binding you mind to the concept that I have to install a Gentoo from a Gentoo CD, it's not true, start looking at a broader perspective. I don't think anyone's making that argument. What I'm asking, at least, is why Gentoo prides itself on having one of the steepest learning curves. Because it's a source-based distro. And that one simple fact changes EVERYTHING. Now think this through - you have a source based distro where everything is built locally. What does it take to boot strap such a system install? What do you need to provide? What tools must be available? How will they be made available? Then the killer question: What does the user need to know to be able to do this? Doesn't matter how you spin it, we don't have a binary distro and what works there probably doesn't work here. We have to use techniques that actually work here, and catering for every possible user type, a la Mandriva, is simply not going to work. Well said. Gentoo is nothing like Mandriva, Mandrake or whatever it is called now. I switched from Mandrake and while Gentoo does have a learning curve, my only other option to have the control I wanted was Linux from Scratch. That was a bit much for me, no tarball to at least start out with. I still like having the CD around tho. ;-) Dale :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] how to teach emerge -sync to sync packages?
Helmut Jarausch wrote: On 18 Jan, Dirk Heinrichs wrote: Am Freitag, 18. Januar 2008 schrieb ext Helmut Jarausch: Hi, I haven't found out how to teach emerge to rsync /usr/portage/packages as well. This is not was emerge -sync is for. If you want to have _all_ distfiles available locall, you have to setup a mirror. AFAIK this is also documented somewhere. No, I have a different situation. I many several identical machines. On the 'main' machine I have FEATURES=buildpkg in /etc/make.conf Then, from time to time I synchronize the other machines. On these machines, SYNC=rsync://my main machine/gentoo-portage On the 'slaves' I do rm -f /usr/portage/metadata/timestamp* emerge --sync and I'd like this 'sync' to rsync /usr/portage/packages, as well, since lateron I do emerge --update --deep --usepkg world to avoid length compilation of packages on each machine. Currently I need /usr/bin/rsync -avz --delete --exclude-from=/etc/portage/rsync_excludes rsync://main machine/gentoo-portage/ . in addition to emerge -sync I just wonder if it's possible to tell emerge somewhere to not exclude the 'packages' subdirectory. thanks for all your comments, Helmut. I'm not sure this will help but have you checked rsyncd.conf? Mine has this little bit in it: [gentoo-portage] path = /usr/portage comment = Gentoo Portage tree exclude = /distfiles /packages May want to remove the excludes there. See if that helps. Dale :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.0
Uwe Thiem wrote: Hi folks, after the painful and time-consuming creation of /etc/portage/package.unmask for KDE 4, emerge --pretend --verbose =kde-base/kde-meta-4.0.0 tells me: [blocks B ] kde-base/kdebase-3.5.7-r6 (is blocking kde-base/kdelibs-4.0.0) I do not have emerge kdebase-3.5.7 but kdebase-3.5.8. The3refore, I cannot unemerge 3.5.7. How can I work around this? Uwe For future reference, check out autounmask. I found out about it the other day. I have not used it yet but I'm hopeful it works. Also, there is a thread on the forums about this, I think you have to have 3.5.8* version to do this. Not sure why tho. Isn't KDE 4.0 slotted? Can't you have 3.5 AND 4.0 installed and select which version you want to log into? Dale :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.0
Uwe Thiem wrote: ??? According to emerge, kdebase-3.5.7-r6 is *blocking* kdelibs-4.0.0. See my original post. Uwe I can't find it but I read somewhere that portage wants at least 3.5.8-r2 or better to install 4.0. Again, I have NO CLUE why. My question if this is true, what if you never had KDE installed to begin with? Then what? Install the old one then upgrade? Something fishy. I also read where there is a issue or two with regard to qt. May want to get your boots on for that too. Confused. Dale :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.0
Jerry McBride wrote: On Saturday 19 January 2008 02:58:11 pm Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote: error in ebuild? I did not have that block. Maybe you should remove the blocker from the ebuild. Apart from that, kde4 installed very nice in parallel to 3.5 - in 2.5h (with qt4 rebuilt). Sadly I can not use it - because of a reiser4 problem... Same here, no blockers... however I kdelibs-4 wanted accessibility use flag enabled in qt4... so... recompile qt4 with use flag set and I'm off compiling kde4... I can't wait!!! P.S. Autounmask worked like a charm... H, I get this blocker: [blocks B ] =x11-libs/qt-4.4_rc:4 (is blocking x11-libs/qt-core-4.4.0_rc1) Is unmerging qt a good idea? Dale :-) :-) P.S. Yea, autounmask is pretty cool. ;-) Anybody check out the noversion option yet? I did a -p of it. Seemed to be pretty cool. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] stuff accumulating in /tmp
Philip Webb wrote: A problem I have is that Firefox is not deleting .pdf files from /tmp after I have viewed saved them elsewhere (using Kpdf). There seems to be no place in Firefox or Kpdf settings to change this. Does anyone have a useful suggestion for automatically deleting them ? Since /tmp has been talked about on -dev, reboot will do it. Dale :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.0
Alan McKinnon wrote: On Sunday 20 January 2008, Dale wrote: H, I get this blocker: [blocks B ] =x11-libs/qt-4.4_rc:4 (is blocking x11-libs/qt-core-4.4.0_rc1) Is unmerging qt a good idea? Yes, looking in the ebuild, qt-4.4 seems to be organized as a meta package and you have older monolithic ones. So you will have to unmerge your old qt-4 stuff first alan Thanks for the info. I know Python, portage, gcc and a couple others are bad to remove but I wasn't real sure about qt. I think I'll go to a console and do it all in one line, just to be sure. Wouldn't want KDE to crash in the middle of it. I usually use Konsole for that stuff. Now to spend the next couple days downloading all the KDE 4.0 stuff. Stinking dial-up. :-@ Thanks again. Dale :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.0
Uwe Thiem wrote: On 20 January 2008, Dale wrote: Now to spend the next couple days downloading all the KDE 4.0 stuff. Stinking dial-up. :-@ That will take a lng while. Most KDE4 packages are far larger than there KDE3 counterparts. Just as an example: kdebase-3.3.8.tar.bz2 was 24MB. Now we have three kdebase tarballs: kdebase 3.9MB kdebase-runtime 46MB kdebase-workspace29MB Good luck with dialup! Uwe Tell me about it. I have already been at it for about 15 hours or so. Total: 205 packages (2 upgrades, 80 new, 123 in new slots, 1 block), Size of downloads: 222,586 kB I used to think OOo was big. LOL DSL is supposed to be here soon tho, I hope. Dale :-) :-) P.S. I still have a OOo update in the mask section. Going to try KDE 4.0 first. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.0
Uwe Thiem wrote: On 20 January 2008, Dale wrote: Now to spend the next couple days downloading all the KDE 4.0 stuff. Stinking dial-up. :-@ On a second thought: Can't a kind soul in the US send Dale the tarballs on a CD? (I'd do it, but it would take forever from here.) Uwe Heck, if the price is right, I'd order them. I try to order a new Gentoo install CD when it comes out, been a while I know, but it takes about a week to download a CD. Last one I got was when I was with my ex and we had cable then. Of course, I was told we would be getting DSL real soon. They have put in the new box, hooked up the fiber optic cables and stuff so far. They got to put in the cards that do the DSL thing next. I'm not sure when that will happen but shouldn't be to long. I been promised that I would be #1 on the list even if I was just a tester at first. Not real sure how to set up Linux to login yet but I'm sure I'll get something figured out. :-) Funny thing is, we were supposed to have DSL before hurricane Katrina hit but they had to go run new stuff down on the coast, which I totally understand too. Where we live, there are a lot of Drs and stuff now. They will have a LOT of customers once they get it set up. I have had one person that said they would stay with dial-up. Right now, I'm connected at 24K and get a throughput of about 3K/sec. Click on a bunch of links and go eat supper, take a bath or something like that. :-p It does teach patience tho. LOL Funnier still, they recently went up on dial-up. It costs more than DSL does. Oh, since I am on the net so much, they also charge me for the time on the phone too. I end up paying about $30 to $40 a month for internet costs. Funny huh? DSL is $19.95 a month. Me being disabled makes it even more fun. I'm wanting DSL to save money right now. I should save about $20 a month or so plus have a faster connection. Oh well, by Tuesday night I should have it downloaded and ready to go. I use the -f switch and get it all before I start to compile stuff. Total: 205 packages (2 upgrades, 80 new, 123 in new slots, 1 block), Size of downloads: 205,439 kB Made some progress so far. LOL Dale :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.0
Justin Findlay wrote: On AD 2008 January 20 Sunday 06:48:10 AM -0600, Dale wrote: Funnier still, they recently went up on dial-up. It costs more than DSL does. Oh, since I am on the net so much, they also charge me for the time on the phone too. I end up paying about $30 to $40 a month for internet costs. Funny huh? DSL is $19.95 a month. Me being disabled makes it even more fun. I'm wanting DSL to save money right now. I should save about $20 a month or so plus have a faster connection. I pay $40/month for 14 Mib up and down and I can run it at max throughput indefinitely. I seeded all 92 gentoo torrents for a month once to test this out. :-) Here in Utah, USA we have the largest community fiber network in the country called UTOPIA. I'm only on iProvo, but on UTOPIA they can get 50 Mib for a residential link. Justin I wish I lived in Utopia. LOL :-p Well, I made some progress while I was napping. I'm here now: Emerging (31 of 205) kde-base/libkdeedu-4.0.0 to / Downloading 'ftp://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/pub/linux/gentoo/distfiles/kdeedu-4.0.0.tar.bz2' --10:48:22-- ftp://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/pub/linux/gentoo/distfiles/kdeedu-4.0.0.tar.bz2 = `/usr/portage/distfiles/kdeedu-4.0.0.tar.bz2' Resolving ftp.ussg.iu.edu... 156.56.247.193 Connecting to ftp.ussg.iu.edu|156.56.247.193|:21... connected. Logging in as anonymous ... Logged in! == SYST ... done.== PWD ... done. == TYPE I ... done. == CWD /pub/linux/gentoo/distfiles ... done. == PASV ... done.== RETR kdeedu-4.0.0.tar.bz2 ... done. Length: 41,886,885 (40M) (unauthoritative) 23% [== ] 9,760,968 2.61K/s ETA 4:48:59 Exiting on signal 2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] / # I had to stop it to send in a folding unit thingy. Can't do more than one thing at a time on this connection. :-( Even Kopete pitches a fit sometimes. It's 12:40 now, so by dark I should have that ONE completed. ;-) Dang, 14Mbs both ways. Dale drools and slobbers everywhere Dale :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.0
Iain Buchanan wrote: didn't you say aDSL was on the way? May it speed to your line! Yep, it is on the way. I plan to surf for a week, NON STOP!! Little progress today. Emerging (33 of 205) kde-base/libkonq-4.0.0 to / Downloading 'ftp://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/pub/linux/gentoo/distfiles/kdebase-4.0.0.tar.bz2' --22:27:31-- ftp://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/pub/linux/gentoo/distfiles/kdebase-4.0.0.tar.bz2 = `/usr/portage/distfiles/kdebase-4.0.0.tar.bz2' Resolving ftp.ussg.iu.edu... 156.56.247.193 Connecting to ftp.ussg.iu.edu|156.56.247.193|:21... connected. Logging in as anonymous ... Logged in! == SYST ... done.== PWD ... done. == TYPE I ... done. == CWD /pub/linux/gentoo/distfiles ... done. == PASV ... done.== RETR kdebase-4.0.0.tar.bz2 ... done. Length: 4,032,455 (3.8M) (unauthoritative) 63% [== ] 2,549,928 2.18K/sETA 12:55 Exiting on signal 2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] / # Could be worse I guess. :/ Dale :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.0
Iain Buchanan wrote: On Sun, 2008-01-20 at 06:48 -0600, Dale wrote: Heck, if the price is right, I'd order them. I try to order a new Gentoo install CD when it comes out, been a while I know, but it takes about a week to download a CD. Last one I got was when I was with my ex and we had cable then. Funny, in all the recent discussion on creating an install CD, I never thought of this reason for them - that some people can still order them snail-mail faster than downloading it. Thanks for bringing me back inline! Actually, I mentioned that once in that discussion. Could you imagine a reinstall and having to download ALL the distfiles? I keep a back up of my distfiles, two of them, snapshot and all. I figure about 2 weeks of downloading and installing, mostly downloading. Of course, I was told we would be getting DSL real soon. They have put in the new box, hooked up the fiber optic cables and stuff so far. They got to put in the cards that do the DSL thing next. I'm not sure when that will happen but shouldn't be to long. I been promised that I would be #1 on the list even if I was just a tester at first. Not real sure how to set up Linux to login yet but I'm sure I'll get something figured out. :-) the best way, IMHO is to get a router/firewall/switch that does it all for you. You will need an aDSL modem anyway, and nowadays cheap routers don't cost much (if any) more. I plan to get a Linksys router. That should work right? That's what we had on my ex's cable connection too. Funny thing is, we were supposed to have DSL before hurricane Katrina hit but they had to go run new stuff down on the coast, which I totally understand too. Where we live, there are a lot of Drs and stuff now. They will have a LOT of customers once they get it set up. I have had one person that said they would stay with dial-up. Right now, I'm connected at 24K and get a throughput of about 3K/sec. Click on a bunch of links and go eat supper, take a bath or something like that. :-p It does teach patience tho. LOL I remember the days... If my kids ever complain about internet speeds (they're only 2.5, and -0.6 atm) I'll whip 'em down to dial up and say In my day... Put on a 9800. Man, they will learn quick then for sure. -0.6? The biscuits still in the oven? Funnier still, they recently went up on dial-up. It costs more than DSL does. Oh, since I am on the net so much, they also charge me for the time on the phone too. You mean you don't have a fixed cost dial-up number? Well, because we have what is called measured circle, which means we can call other towns and they are considered local but with limits on the number of minutes each month. I go aver that limit and they charge a little more for that. It's the phone company. They get you any way they can. I understand why Vonage is doing so well. I end up paying about $30 to $40 a month for internet costs. Funny huh? DSL is $19.95 a month. Me being disabled makes it even more fun. I'm wanting DSL to save money right now. I should save about $20 a month or so plus have a faster connection. plus you can VOIP which saves more $ Plan to check on that too. Oh well, by Tuesday night I should have it downloaded and ready to go. I use the -f switch and get it all before I start to compile stuff. Why don't you have two terminals going - one doing -f, and the other compiling it for real. They will wait nicely for each other. At least then you'll get the compile going while you wait for the next download. I could just leave off the -f and it would do the same but I like to watch the progress. O_O Total: 205 packages (2 upgrades, 80 new, 123 in new slots, 1 block), Size of downloads: 205,439 kB Made some progress so far. LOL We just upgraded to 8Mbit at work... Makes an emerge --sync nice :) Nicer than 1.5Mbit anyway. I know there are faster speeds out there, but for now 8Mbit is enough for anyone! Dale :-) :-) cya, I plan to start out on the basic plan then may upgrade to a faster one as I can. Maybe by then Gentoo will have some other issues sorted out and I can help in other ways. This dial-up sort of limits a person a lot. Well, 12 hour limit. Better log off and reconnect then start again. LOL Dale :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.0
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 16:00:35 +0930, Iain Buchanan wrote: not quite the same :) emerge -u world would download one package, and compile it, download the next, compile it. So the total time is the sum of the individual downloads and compiles. Not if you add parallel-fetch to FEATURES. That's what I have turned on, just in case. I try to keep the modem going all the time. It's not like it is going to over heat or anything. LOL Dale :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.0
Eddie Mihalow Jr wrote: Dale wrote: Iain Buchanan wrote: didn't you say aDSL was on the way? May it speed to your line! Yep, it is on the way. I plan to surf for a week, NON STOP!! Little progress today. Emerging (33 of 205) kde-base/libkonq-4.0.0 to / Downloading 'ftp://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/pub/linux/gentoo/distfiles/kdebase-4.0.0.tar.bz2' --22:27:31-- ftp://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/pub/linux/gentoo/distfiles/kdebase-4.0.0.tar.bz2 = `/usr/portage/distfiles/kdebase-4.0.0.tar.bz2' Resolving ftp.ussg.iu.edu... 156.56.247.193 Connecting to ftp.ussg.iu.edu|156.56.247.193|:21... connected. Logging in as anonymous ... Logged in! == SYST ... done.== PWD ... done. == TYPE I ... done. == CWD /pub/linux/gentoo/distfiles ... done. == PASV ... done.== RETR kdebase-4.0.0.tar.bz2 ... done. Length: 4,032,455 (3.8M) (unauthoritative) 63% [== ] 2,549,928 2.18K/sETA 12:55 Exiting on signal 2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] / # Could be worse I guess. :/ Dale :-) :-) Dale, are you still getting ATT/Bellsouth? If so I have 3 modems that work-(as a back-up) that I'll send to you as a back-up. Let me know if you need any cd's or stuff and I''l send them to you. I live close to you in NOLA. I got a friend that is going to let me borrow his until I can get one. I don't want to get a contract on the DSL so I don't want to get one from ATT. I did check on Ebay tho. Interested in selling one of yours? No idea how much one costs really. I'm sure ATT wants a arm and a leg for one tho. A little more progress last night, all night. LOL Emerging (39 of 209) kde-base/kdebase-data-4.0.0 to / Resuming download... Downloading 'ftp://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/pub/linux/gentoo/distfiles/kdebase-runtime-4.0.0.tar.bz2' --05:46:32-- ftp://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/pub/linux/gentoo/distfiles/kdebase-runtime-4.0.0.tar.bz2 = `/usr/portage/distfiles/kdebase-runtime-4.0.0.tar.bz2' Resolving ftp.ussg.iu.edu... 156.56.247.193 Connecting to ftp.ussg.iu.edu|156.56.247.193|:21... connected. Logging in as anonymous ... Logged in! == SYST ... done.== PWD ... done. == TYPE I ... done. == CWD /pub/linux/gentoo/distfiles ... done. == SIZE kdebase-runtime-4.0.0.tar.bz2 ... done. == PASV ... done.== REST 7883580 ... done. == RETR kdebase-runtime-4.0.0.tar.bz2 ... done. Length: 48,097,008 (46M), 40,213,428 (38M) remaining SNIP 79% [+=== ] 38,032,388 3.42K/s ETA 1:28:03 Exiting on signal 2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] / # I think it is only a couple big ones left. May start the compile before to long. :-) Dale :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.0
Jerry McBride wrote: On Monday 21 January 2008 06:40:42 pm Iain Buchanan wrote: On Mon, 2008-01-21 at 09:09 +, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 16:00:35 +0930, Iain Buchanan wrote: not quite the same :) emerge -u world would download one package, and compile it, download the next, compile it. So the total time is the sum of the individual downloads and compiles. Not if you add parallel-fetch to FEATURES. last time I used parallel-fetch (a while ago) it looked different to Dale's output though - I don't remember seeing the wget style completion: 79% [+=== ] but rather I see the message (just tried it out now) Downloading 'jdk-6u4-dlj-linux-i586.bin'... see /var/log/emerge-fetch.log for details. hmm... -- Iain Buchanan iaindb at netspace dot net dot au What you are seeing is the result of a RESUMED download... Try grabbing a file, interrupt the download then follow up with fetching it again. You'll see the above Yep, it was a resumed download. If for example I started the emerge of KDE, it would start to download and compile whatever it has downloaded already. However, if it comes to a package that has not been downloaded, it will show the other thing that it is waiting on the download to finish. I almost always do a -f first. This is so slow that it can compile it way faster than it can download it. Plus, I can see how big it is and how much it has left to download. I walked up to the phone box today, they been working on it some more. I saw a lot of wire insulation on the ground where they have been hooking up wires. Dale says a prayer that it is soon I figure it will be here shortly after I get KDE and OOo downloaded. LOL Dale :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE4 first impressions
Alan McKinnon wrote: I used to have a ~/kde symlink to ~/kde3.5. This is now gone and replaced with a ~/kde directory, apparently a snapshot of the original. Some of my configs are changed - my Transport setting in Kmail were gone (I had a backup), and the Go menu in Konqueror now only displays History and Most Often Visited items. My mail folders now appear to be out of sync, there are updates in ~/kde and in ~/kde3.5 dated after I changed things back. No further detail yet, it'll take a while to scan everythign and see where the changes are. Meanwhile I have work to do :-) Should a person make a backup of their ~/.kde directory before trying KDE 4.0? Maybe change the directory to .kde.old or something? Your thoughts? Oh, I got it downloaded and it is compiling now. What a download tho. LOL Dale :-) :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE4 first impressions
Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote: On Dienstag, 22. Januar 2008, Dale wrote: Should a person make a backup of their ~/.kde directory before trying KDE 4.0? Maybe change the directory to .kde.old or something? yes, but gentoo's kde will create a new (and empty) .kde4 dir for you. More surprising was that kde4 cleaned all the stuff in /var/tmp - 2gb of cached http stuff gone Sounds like changing is not going to matter but I'll make a backup just in case. Do you mean EVERYTHING in /var/tmp or just the kde stuff? Mine is nowhere near that big. Just a few Mbs or so. Dale :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] KDE 4.0 and dbus compile error
;-) ... [ ok ] * checking miscfile checksums ;-) ... [ ok ] * checking strigi-0.5.7.tar.bz2 ;-) ... [ ok ] * * ERROR: app-misc/strigi-0.5.7 failed. * Call stack: * ebuild.sh, line 46: Called pkg_setup * strigi-0.5.7.ebuild, line 48: Called built_with_use 'pkg_setup' 'pkg_setup' * eutils.eclass, line 1694: Called die * The specific snippet of code: * die) die $PKG does not actually support the $1 USE flag!;; * The die message: * x11-libs/qt-4.4.0_rc1 does not actually support the dbus USE flag! * * If you need support, post the topmost build error, and the call stack if relevant. * A complete build log is located at '/var/log/portage/app-misc:strigi-0.5.7:20080122-143912.log'. * The ebuild environment file is located at '/var/tmp/portage/app-misc/strigi-0.5.7/temp/die.env'. * * Messages for package app-misc/strigi-0.5.7: * * ERROR: app-misc/strigi-0.5.7 failed. * Call stack: * ebuild.sh, line 46: Called pkg_setup * strigi-0.5.7.ebuild, line 48: Called built_with_use 'pkg_setup' 'pkg_setup' * eutils.eclass, line 1694: Called die * The specific snippet of code: * die) die $PKG does not actually support the $1 USE flag!;; * The die message: * x11-libs/qt-4.4.0_rc1 does not actually support the dbus USE flag! * * If you need support, post the topmost build error, and the call stack if relevant. * A complete build log is located at '/var/log/portage/app-misc:strigi-0.5.7:20080122-143912.log'. * The ebuild environment file is located at '/var/tmp/portage/app-misc/strigi-0.5.7/temp/die.env'. * [EMAIL PROTECTED] / # Any ideas? Am I missing something? Need more info, let me know. Dale :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0 and dbus compile error
pu stshine wrote: use qt-4.3.3. 4.4.0 is not OK yet. Well crap, another 5 hour download. LOL See ya'll tomorrow. Dale :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0 and dbus compile error
Eddie Mihalow Jr wrote: pu stshine wrote: use qt-4.3.3. 4.4.0 is not OK yet. 2008/1/22, James Ausmus [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Jan 22, 2008 6:42 AM, Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I started my emerge of KDE 4.0 a while ago and I keep getting this error: snip * You are building Strigi with qt4 but without dbus. * Strigiclient needs dbus to detect a running Strigi daemon. * Please enable both qt4 and dbus. snip Hi Dale- I didn't get this error specifically when I was compiling kde 4.0 with qt 4.4.0 (I might have upgraded to qt 4.4 after I had already compiled strigi), but I know that, right now, the changes in the qt 4.4 API aren't supported by (at least) several of the KDE 4.0 packages - they just won't compile with it. Also, many of the ebuilds that check *how* qt is built before compiling do *not* yet support the way that qt 4.4 has been split out into several packages (do an eix -I qt- to see all the packages that qt has been split to in addition to just x11-libs/qt) - in short, I had to re-mask qt 4.4 and downgrade before I could continue installing kde 4.0 - the qt 4.4 and kde 4.0 just aren't quite ready to mix yet (and qt 4.4 isn't quite ready to mix w/ Gentoo yet, either - there'll have to be a fair amount of ebuild changes to other packages to support it). HTH- James -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailto:gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list What he said-4.3.3-QT and you have to add the accessibility flag also. OK. Got that done too. Still downloading by the way. :/ Also, I didn't have qt 4.4 installed before. It was unmasked and pulled in when I ran autounmask and emerge -uvDN world. Is that going to be a problem for others? Dale :-) :_) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0 and dbus compile error
Dale wrote: OK. Got that done too. Still downloading by the way. :/ Also, I didn't have qt 4.4 installed before. It was unmasked and pulled in when I ran autounmask and emerge -uvDN world. Is that going to be a problem for others? Dale :-) :_) Well, now I get this: [blocks B ] =x11-libs/qt-4.4_rc:4 (is blocking x11-libs/qt-core-4.4.0_rc1) Total: 187 packages (1 upgrade, 63 new, 122 in new slots, 1 reinstall, 1 block), Size of downloads: 0 kB [EMAIL PROTECTED] / # Funny thing is, I don't have qt-4.4 installed, I don't guess anyway. [EMAIL PROTECTED] / # equery list qt [ Searching for package 'qt' in all categories among: ] * installed packages [I--] [ ] dev-libs/dbus-qt3-old-0.70 (0) [I--] [M ] x11-libs/qt-3.3.8-r4 (3) [I--] [ ] x11-libs/qt-4.3.2-r1 (4) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / # Now what? Can I shoot it? LOL Dale :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0 and dbus compile error
Dale wrote: Dale wrote: OK. Got that done too. Still downloading by the way. :/ Also, I didn't have qt 4.4 installed before. It was unmasked and pulled in when I ran autounmask and emerge -uvDN world. Is that going to be a problem for others? Dale :-) :_) Well, now I get this: [blocks B ] =x11-libs/qt-4.4_rc:4 (is blocking x11-libs/qt-core-4.4.0_rc1) Total: 187 packages (1 upgrade, 63 new, 122 in new slots, 1 reinstall, 1 block), Size of downloads: 0 kB [EMAIL PROTECTED] / # Funny thing is, I don't have qt-4.4 installed, I don't guess anyway. [EMAIL PROTECTED] / # equery list qt [ Searching for package 'qt' in all categories among: ] * installed packages [I--] [ ] dev-libs/dbus-qt3-old-0.70 (0) [I--] [M ] x11-libs/qt-3.3.8-r4 (3) [I--] [ ] x11-libs/qt-4.3.2-r1 (4) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / # Now what? Can I shoot it? LOL Dale :-) :-) Ops, never mind. Autounmask had it on the bottom and I missed it. I guess portage remembers the last thing it reads. Here we go, I hope. Dale :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: emerge error
James wrote: SNIP Maybe the '/usr/bin/emerge' executable is corrupted. Can I just scp over a copy from another similar arch machine? Any other ideas? James http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/portage/doc/manually-fixing-portage.xml Dale :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE4 / kmail / konsole
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 22:34:25 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: You shouldn't need to do that. I found when I went back to KDE 3.5 (because Claws Mail wasn't working) that it reset the .kde symlink to point to .kde3.5 again. tongue-in-cheek Neil, you just did a bad bad bad thing. You used the should word and trusted it. Tut, tut. Bad boy. I used the word, but it's up to the reader how much they trust it. I'm just using it as a potential get-out clause ;-) Well, mine created a .kde4.0 directory too so it *should* work for the rest of us. Used my get out of jail card too. :-p Oh, my slide show doesn't work right with 4.0 so I'm sticking with 3.5. Just going to wait a while longer yet. ;-) Dale :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE4.0?
maxim wexler wrote: Hi group, $eix kde gives: ... * kde-base/kde Available versions: 3.5.5:3.5 ~3.5.6:3.5 3.5.7:3.5 ~3.5.8:3.5 Installed: 3.5.2 Homepage:http://www.kde.org/ Description: KDE - merge this to pull in all non-developer kde-base/* packages ... And heres the tail of emerge -pv kde ... [ebuild U ] kde-base/kde-3.5.7 [3.5.2] USE=-accessibility 0 kB [blocks B ] =kde-base/libkdeedu-3.5* (is blocking kde-base/kdeedu-3.5.7) [blocks B ] =kde-base/klatin-3.5* (is blocking kde-base/kdeedu-3.5.7) [blocks B ] kde-base/kde-env (is blocking kde-base/kdelibs-3.5.7-r3) [blocks B ] =kde-base/kdeedu-3.5* (is blocking kde-base/libkdeedu-3.5.2, kde-base/klatin-3.5.2) Total: 47 packages (22 upgrades, 25 new, 4 blocks), Size of downloads: 195,873 kB [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ $ Nothing about v4.0 to be found. Is it the blocks? Do the intervening versions need to be emerged first? Maxim I emerged autounamsk and used the command autounmask kde-base/kde-meta-4.0.0 without the quotes of course. There may be a block or two. I had one that involved qt. I also had to mask qt 4.4 since it does not have dbus support. A few people have installed it so post any boo boos you may get. We'll get you through it. Keep in mind, it still has some missing features. I found one right off the bat and I can't live without it so I may login and mess around some but nothing major. It is very cool looking tho. My hats off to the coders on this one. Lot of caffeine on this project. Ah, you may have to get a later version of KDE 3.5 before going any farther. I had 3.5.8 on mine and had no blocks with it. Want my package.keywords and package.unmask files. Dale :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE4.0?
maxim wexler wrote: Ah, you may have to get a later version of KDE 3.5 before going any farther. I had 3.5.8 on mine and had no blocks with it. Want my package.keywords and package.unmask files. Assuming a question. Yes, I'd like to see them. Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping Will mail them off list, same subject line tho. Bit large there. ;-) Dale :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Call for feature requests for 2008.0
Ric de France wrote: On 25/01/2008, Chris Gianelloni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Replies sent to this list will *not* be seen by Release Engineering, so make sure that you send your responses to the correct list. You'll have to join the list first, if you're not a subscriber, already. I'm guess sending an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] should do that, or am I look at the wrong list? ...Ric Yep. It subscribed me anyway. YMMV. Dale :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE4.0?
Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote:
On Thursday 24 January 2008 21:33:12 Dale wrote:
I emerged autounamsk and used the command autounmask
kde-base/kde-meta-4.0.0 without the quotes of course. There may be a
block or two. I had one that involved qt. I also had to mask qt 4.4
since it does not have dbus support.
Which is rather pointless given that the KDE docs provides example
package.{keywords,unmask} files...
http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/desktop/kde/kde4.xml
But I didn't know that. LOL The home page stayed the same so long I
stopped going to it. o_O
Dale
:-) :-)
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Re: [gentoo-user] audio gone!
maxim wexler wrote: so what, start the update in one terminal, start -fu in another one. That way the packages are downloaded, while others compile. No time wasted. Stuck. One last blocker can't be removed: ... [blocks B ] =app-admin/eselect-1.0.3 (is blocking app-admin/eselect-opengl-1.0.3) Total: 351 packages (256 upgrades, 92 new, 3 in new slots, 1 block), Size of downloads: 804,715 kB Fetch Restriction: 1 package (1 unsatisfied) !!! Error: The above package list contains packages which cannot be installed !!!at the same time on the same system. For more information about Blocked Packages, please refer to the following section of the Gentoo Linux x86 Handbook (architecture is irrelevant): http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?full=1#blocked I tried two methods: localhost heathen # emerge -aC eselect-1.0.3 These are the packages that would be unmerged: --- Couldn't find 'eselect-1.0.3' to unmerge. No packages selected for removal by unmerge localhost heathen # emerge -aC eselect These are the packages that would be unmerged: --- Couldn't find 'eselect' to unmerge. No packages selected for removal by unmerge Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs Try this: equery list eselect. You have a version that is less than that specific version. Example: eselect-1.0.2 or something to that effect. Clue is this: =app-admin/eselect-1.0.3 Note the = in there? Hope that helps. Dale :-) :-) Oh, I ran into that a while ago myself. It was a head scratcher for a bit there. lol -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo didn't work with ati sapphire 2400
Justin wrote: Fabio schrieb: There is no way to start the live cd.. i also write in a lot of forum, and so on, but nothing seems to work.. what should i do? thanks Fabio Thats a problem of the live CD on several video cards! But you can still do the gentoo way of installing the OS and start with an minimal CD! Or use some other bootable CD like Knoppix. The best way to install Gentoo is the old way. You will learn a lot about Linux that way too. If you just have to, you can install some binary based OS like Mandriva on a separate drive and use it to install from then erase Mandriva after you get everything sorted out. The plus to that is you can use Mandriva to search the forums when a problem arises. It does have web browsers too. Just a few thoughts there. Dale :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo didn't work with ati sapphire 2400
Fabio wrote: Dale wrote: Or use some other bootable CD like Knoppix. The best way to install Gentoo is the old way. You will learn a lot about Linux that way too. If you just have to, you can install some binary based OS like Mandriva on a separate drive and use it to install from then erase Mandriva after you get everything sorted out. The plus to that is you can use Mandriva to search the forums when a problem arises. It does have web browsers too. Just a few thoughts there. Dale :-) :-) thanks Dale! I currently use ubuntu and Debian now. I try to install the gentoo system via chroot from Ubuntu but was a real suicide for me..at the end..I don't know why it does not work. so do you think this is the best way? thanks! Fabio I did my install from Mandrake once. It worked fine for me. I did most of it from Konsole. I had Mandriva on one drive and installed Gentoo on the second drive. There is not really much difference between doing it booted from the install CD or another OS. You create your partitions, put your file system on those, create your mount points if needed and mount the partitions. Untar the stage tarball, chroot in and go after it. Once you get to the chroot part, it should be just like the handbook. If your mount points are different, substitute the correct paths for your situation. You can just do a mkdir /mnt/gentoo on your current OS then go from there. That way it will be just like the handbook. I will say this, it took me four tries to get a successful install. That would be booting from the hard drive. Took a couple more times to get the kernel perfected. If you run into a problem, don't start over. Just about anything can be fixed. Just search the forums, come here and ask if needed. You should be able to install from the OS you have tho. I have never used Debian or Ubuntu but it should work. After you do this a few times, you'll be like that is so easy. I have never used the installer to install Gentoo with. That help? Dale :-) :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] revdep-rebuild
Mark Knecht wrote: Add -pv --tree to the emerge command and look at the hierarchy. Probably can do it through equery but I'd have to look up the command myself so I'll leave that to you. Hope this helps, Mark On Jan 27, 2008 12:04 PM, sean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I recently removed compiz-fusion after playing with it for a while. I thought I had removed all bits but revdep-rebuild wants to emerge emerald again. How can I best trace what package is trying to pull emerald again? Thanks Sean -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list equery depends emerald Hope that helps. Dale :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Depgraph failure WAS audio gone!
maxim wexler wrote:
--- Willie Wong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat, Jan 26, 2008 at 11:06:50PM -0800, Penguin
Lover maxim wexler squawked:
...
[blocks B ] =app-admin/eselect-1.0.3 (is
blocking
app-admin/eselect-opengl-1.0.3)
emerge --unmerge eselect-opengl eselect emerge
--oneshot eselect eselect-opengl
--
Uh-oh,
localhost heathen # emerge -auvD world
These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
Calculating world dependencies \
!!! Multiple versions within a single package slot
have been
!!! pulled into the dependency graph:
('installed', '/', 'net-print/foomatic-filters-3.0.2',
'nomerge') pulled in by
('installed', '/', 'net-print/foomatic-3.0.2',
'nomerge')
('ebuild', '/',
'net-print/foomatic-filters-3.0.20060720', 'merge')
pulled in by
('installed', '/',
'net-print/foomatic-db-engine-3.0.2', 'nomerge')
('ebuild', '/',
'net-print/foomatic-filters-ppds-20070501', 'merge')
It may be possible to solve this problem by using
package.mask to
prevent one of those packages from being selected.
However, it is also
possible that conflicting dependencies exist such that
they are
impossible to satisfy simultaneously. If such a
conflict exists in the
dependencies of two different packages, then those
packages can not be
installed simultaneously.
For more information, see MASKED PACKAGES section in
the emerge man page
or refer to the Gentoo Handbook.
!!! Depgraph creation failed.
localhost heathen #
If it helps any:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] / # equery list foomatic
[ Searching for package 'foomatic' in all categories among: ]
* installed packages
[I--] [ ] net-print/foomatic-filters-3.0.20060720 (0)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] / #
It may be that some of those merged into that one package. May to to
unmerge the other foomatic packages.
Hope that helps.
Dale
:-) :-)
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Re: [gentoo-user] Cleaning up after overdue -uD world
maxim wexler wrote: Hi group, Well I went ahead and applied Willie's suggestion for eselect to foomatic, which I don't use anyway and this time emerge -uD world looks like a go. There's one 'Fetch Restriction' but a little wiki tell's me this will be taken care of in due course. Thank's to Iain suggestion to fetch in one terminal and compile in another I'm well on my way with 74/350 downloaded. So now, I'll bow out while the intertubes do their thing. Just wondering, if this all goes as planned, and I don't have to start answering my own e-mails again, I would like to clean up and dispose of about 2yrs of garbage on my HD.(The original install was via the 2006.0 min-install CD) Can somebody suggest methods, tools to best accomplish this task? mw Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping eclean should help. eclean-dist will clean out any unneeded distfiles. If you save packages then eclean-pkg will help with that. Dale :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Lost /sbin/rc
deface wrote: It sounds like the mistake was on your hand. baselayout isn't udated as often, unless you are ~**. the missing files are from any baselayout, not just the version you are stating. *** WARNING *** Depclean may break link level dependencies. Thus, it is *** WARNING *** recommended to use a tool such as `revdep-rebuild` (from *** WARNING *** app-portage/gentoolkit) in order to detect such breakage. *** WARNING *** *** WARNING *** Also study the list of packages to be cleaned for any obvious *** WARNING *** mistakes. Packages that are part of the world set will always *** WARNING *** be kept. They can be manually added to this set with *** WARNING *** `emerge --noreplace atom`. Packages that are listed in *** WARNING *** package.provided (see portage(5)) will be removed by *** WARNING *** depclean, even if they are part of the world set. *** WARNING *** *** WARNING *** As a safety measure, depclean will not remove any packages *** WARNING *** unless *all* required dependencies have been resolved. As a *** WARNING *** consequence, it is often necessary to run *** WARNING *** `emerge --update --newuse --deep world` prior to depclean. Plenty of warning there. Not recommended to --depclean. UNLESS absolutely necessary. deface Isn't baselayout part of system? Wouldn't --depclean leave that installed? Something sounds . . . fishy. I run --depclean and I don't recall it ever removing something in system. That said, always add a -p or -a to that thing. It can boo boo and remove something you need if you are not careful. I removed a kde thing once. No GUI for a bit. Dale :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Phil Sexton wrote: cough cough. Send email TO [EMAIL PROTECTED] not in the subject line. Dale :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Iain Buchanan wrote: On Wed, 2008-01-30 at 18:48 +, Qian Qiao wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Must... resist... posting... the... kit... man, I love reading the replies to stray unsubscribe messages :) Yea, Jerry always come in with the NO!! thing. LOL I did like qiao's reply to tho. :-) Was curious as to what kit he was referring to?? Of course, helpful as I always try to be, I reply with the unsubscribe address. ;-) Dale :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] (no subject)
Peter Eliades wrote: unsubscribe Where's Jerry at? Try this one. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Works a lot better. Thanks for saying good bye tho. We'll miss you. :-) Dale :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge -uD world: another obstacle
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A likely source of the problem could be when I was advised to compile qt with thread support which I took to mean USE=threads etc. But when I looked at the log it just mentions the verbose switch, nothing about threads. Another might be that qt-4.3.3 is currently on my system and there's no such thing as /usr/qt/4... If anybody needs more to go on I'll attach whatever log you need in my reply. Maxim What does 'emerge -p qt' say? I think it lists the use flags. I think the 'threads' use flag should be something else. I have no idea what though. Maybe I can guess from my use flags. I think you have to add the -v option too for flags to show up. Keep the -p tho. Dale :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo rebuild, cups won't work
Dave Jones wrote: Hi Kevin Kevin O'Gorman wrote on 27/01/08 19:58: I've installed cups and hplip. I cannot follow the Gentoo printing guide, because that worthy document requires me to add hplip to the default runlevel, but hplip does not put anything in /etc/init.d. My printer is an old HP Laserjet 4M, which I usually run as a Postscrpt printer. What have I missed? Run hp-setup You'll probably need to rework your cups config files if you've retained them from the broken install. hp-setup should enable local printing OK. /etc/init.d/hplip is no longer necessary with recent hplip ebuilds. Cheers, Dave And if it still gives you problems, delete /etc/cups then reemerge cups. I had to do that last part too. Dale :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] portage problems
Carter, Dwayne wrote: SNIP [blocks B ] dev-lang/python-2.3.6-r2 (is blocking app-admin/python-updater-0.2) [blocks B ] sys-apps/pam-login (is blocking sys-apps/shadow-4.0.18.1-r1) [blocks B ] net-misc/dhcpcd-2.0.0 (is blocking sys-apps/baselayout-1.12.10-r5) [blocks B ] sys-apps/modutils (is blocking sys-apps/module-init-tools-3.4) SNIP Normally I would say unmerge the blocks and emerge the blockers and update them first. However, I'm not sure about that pam-login one. If you do unmerge that one, do NOT logout until you have it updated. I would recommend switching to another console and logging in to make sure it works too. [ebuild U ] dev-libs/expat-2.0.1 [1.95.6-r1] Oh no, is that the one I think it is. You may want to search the forums for the expat update. Let me know if you can't find it. Has it been a while since you updated? Maybe someone else will see something else and chime in. Dale :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge -uD world: another obstacle FIXED
Alan McKinnon wrote: On Saturday 02 February 2008, Iain Buchanan wrote: On Sat, 2008-02-02 at 07:47 -0800, maxim wexler wrote: I would emerge Qt-3. You may continue your world update with emerge --resume afterwards. That did it! Seven days, one hour and 28 minutes after I started, -uD world is complete! 7 days? Time to emerge --sync, and update world again! hehehehe, only a true gentooite would get that one :-) on reflection, it would probably have been easier for maxim to just reinstall the box. But then again he learned a heap of stuff that's hard to learn any other way Yea, if it breaks again, he's going to have a lot more ammo to work with. Dale :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge -uD world: another obstacle FIXED
Alan McKinnon wrote: On Saturday 02 February 2008, Dale wrote: on reflection, it would probably have been easier for maxim to just reinstall the box. But then again he learned a heap of stuff that's hard to learn any other way Yea, if it breaks again, he's going to have a lot more ammo to work with. Or, in the tried and trusted Unix tradition of 37 years, when he breaks it himself next time he gets to keep both pieces AND have the glue that puts them back together :-) Yea but you know we will all help again. :-) Sometimes I find myself deliberately breaking stuff just to see if I can fix it. I break enough by mistake than to do that on purpose. Try this one, it's not as easy as it looks: emerge busybox to / on a machine in use without making symlinks Now emerge something. You get an impressive error message. I'll take your word for it. ;-) Does sound . . . interesting tho. LOL Dale :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] BIG-UPDATE! ;) If I survive, then gentoo rulezz... :)
maxim wexler wrote: Don't forget: etc-update, revdep-rebuild tools. HTH. Rumen At the end of an emerge process I saw two recommendations: etc-update and ?-update. The exact name escapes me and I can't find it in the logs. It seems pretty significant with 100+ updates pending. Do you recall the full name? Maxim Was it dispatch-conf by any chance? It does the same thing as etc-update. 100+, WOW. he he he I'm not going to tell how many times I hit the tab key when trying to type in those commands. ;-) Dale :-) :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo rebuild, cups won't work
Kevin O'Gorman wrote: It runs, but only gives me options for usb and net. This makes some sense since there are no /dev/parport* entries in my system. Nevertheless, I have parallel port support as I understand it. From my kernel (2.6.22-gentoo-r6) .config file: # # Generic Driver Options # CONFIG_STANDALONE=y CONFIG_PREVENT_FIRMWARE_BUILD=y CONFIG_FW_LOADER=m # CONFIG_SYS_HYPERVISOR is not set # CONFIG_CONNECTOR is not set # CONFIG_MTD is not set CONFIG_PARPORT=yparallel port CONFIG_PARPORT_PC=y PC style # CONFIG_PARPORT_SERIAL is not set # CONFIG_PARPORT_PC_FIFO is not set # CONFIG_PARPORT_PC_SUPERIO is not set # CONFIG_PARPORT_GSC is not set # CONFIG_PARPORT_AX88796 is not set CONFIG_PARPORT_1284=y CONFIG_PNP=y # CONFIG_PNP_DEBUG is not set Thanks for the help. -- Kevin O'Gorman, PhD My printer is on my USB port now. It used to be on parport tho. Here is my kernel config, shortened version: [EMAIL PROTECTED] / # cat /usr/src/linux/.config | grep PARPORT CONFIG_PARPORT=y CONFIG_PARPORT_PC=y CONFIG_PARPORT_SERIAL=y # CONFIG_PARPORT_PC_FIFO is not set # CONFIG_PARPORT_PC_SUPERIO is not set # CONFIG_PARPORT_GSC is not set # CONFIG_PARPORT_AX88796 is not set CONFIG_PARPORT_1284=y # CONFIG_I2C_PARPORT is not set # CONFIG_I2C_PARPORT_LIGHT is not set [EMAIL PROTECTED] / # Looks like you have the same two I have. Mine did used to work anyway. Not real sure on that one. You check your USE flags for the HP package? Here is mine: [EMAIL PROTECTED] / # emerge -pv hplip These are the packages that would be merged, in order: Calculating dependencies... done! [ebuild R ] net-print/hplip-2.7.10 USE=X ppds -doc -fax -minimal -parport -scanner -snmp 14,104 kB Total: 1 package (1 reinstall), Size of downloads: 14,104 kB [EMAIL PROTECTED] / # Note the parport option? Mine is disabled, by default I guess. You can add it to the package.use file if yours is disabled too. Dale :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] BIG-UPDATE! ;) If I survive, then gentoo rulezz... :)
maxim wexler wrote: Was it dispatch-conf by any chance? It does the same thing as etc-update. 100+, WOW. he he he Now that I've thought about it more I recall it didn't specify a command, what it said was something like there are n files in /etc that have changed then something like see man emerge for further details Then on the next line was a similar warning, but for a different /dir which I mismember. Why would they use dispatch-conf if it's the same thing as etc-update I looked in /usr/lib/portage/bin; if it's anywhere, it'll be in there, but I didn't recognize it. Oh well, I'll know how bad things are the next time I reboot They have two because a lot of people like dispatch-conf. It archives old configs just in case something . . . well. . . screws up badly. I'm not going to tell how many times I hit the tab key when trying to type in those commands. ;-) What do you mean? I just overwrite most of them automatically except for those few I need to keep the same Maxim If you are in a console and type in eme then hit the tab key, it will fill in the rest of the command emerge for you. Saves you from typing the whole thing. You can do the same when changing directories and such too. Saves you a lot of typing but when you are typing in a email, it doesn't fill it in for ya. Then you have to backspace and fill in the whole thing yourself. Try it sometime. It'll grow on you. Dale :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Portage issue
Robert Stockdale IV wrote: On Feb 3, 2008 6:49 PM, Kenneth Prugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 18:44:26 + Robert Stockdale IV [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snipped... Well first off setarch was replaced with util-linux, so you can nuke setarch. Same case with mktemp in that coreutils replaced it. The others I'm not positive of. OK, I've got it pared down to some degree. These few block programs in portage are still preventing a world update and I don't believe I can remove them without destroying my system. They are: [blocks B ] sys-apps/portage-2.1.4_rc1 (is blocking app-shells/bash-3.2_p33) [blocks B ] kde-base/ksync (is blocking kde-base/kdelibs-3.5.8-r10) [blocks B ] sys-apps/baselayout-2.0.0_rc (is blocking sys-apps/makedev-3.23.1) Total: 617 packages (568 upgrades, 5 downgrades, 35 new, 9 in new slots, 3 blocks), Size of downloads: 2,090,644 kB Fetch Restriction: 1 package (1 unsatisfied) Portage tree and overlays: [0] /usr/portage [1] /usr/portage/local/layman/sabayon I'm thinking that there must be a way to hold back the upgrade on these last three files in order to permit the portage upgrade. When I do emerge -pv portage I get: java bob # emerge -pv portage These are the packages that would be merged, in order: Calculating dependencies... done! [ebuild U ] sys-apps/sandbox-1.2.18.1-r2 [1.2.18.1 http://1.2.18.1] 232 kB [0] [ebuild U ] dev-python/pycrypto-2.0.1-r6 [2.0.1-r5] USE=-bindist -gmp -test 151 kB [0] [ebuild U ] sys-apps/portage-2.1.4.1 http://2.1.4.1 [2.1.3.4-r1] USE=-build -doc -epydoc (-selinux) LINGUAS=-pl* 361 kB [0] *** Portage will stop merging at this point and reload itself, then resume the merge. [ebuild U ] app-shells/bash-3.2_p33 [3.2_p15-r1] USE=nls -afs -bashlogger -plugins% -vanilla 2,564 kB [0] [blocks B ] sys-apps/portage-2.1.4_rc1 (is blocking app-shells/bash-3.2_p33) Total: 4 packages (4 upgrades, 1 block), Size of downloads: 3,306 kB Portage tree and overlays: [0] /usr/portage So it looks like the important one to look at is: sys-apps/portage-2.1.4_rc1 (is blocking app-shells/bash-3.2_p33) So if I could prevent the update to bash then portage should update. Is this correct? How would I do this? Thank you, Bob He wrote this earlier. Quoting his reply: On Sunday 03 February 2008, Robert Stockdale IV wrote: [blocks B ] sys-apps/portage-2.1.4_rc1 (is blocking app-shells/bash- 3.2_p33) emerge --sync, there is a later version of portage in the tree that bash does not block So hopefully if you sync again that will fix that. Hopefully nothing else will pop up tho. Dale :-) :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Portage issue
Alan McKinnon wrote: On Monday 04 February 2008, b.n. wrote: Alan McKinnon ha scritto: On Monday 04 February 2008, Mateusz Mierzwinski wrote: Portato is GUI for portage/emerge ;). Erm, hmmm, what's a GUI? Graphical User Interface. Usually compared to a CLI, Command Line Interface. I know, I had my tongue very firmly in my cheek when I made that post :-) I can't imagine how one would run portage in a GUI - to me it's very much a command line job Well, I emerged porthole just to see what it looks like. Well, It's there. I then went to a command line to see what was really going on. O_O eix is sort of growing on me tho. I wonder when they will replace it with something else?? Dale :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Portage issue
Stroller wrote: On 4 Feb 2008, at 11:29, Dale wrote: ... eix is sort of growing on me tho. I wonder when they will replace it with something else?? I've been using eix for a while am really comfortable with it. Replacement would seem to be WELL overdue, by my previous experiences with Gentoo tools. Stroller. Yea, when I got sort of used to etcat, they replaced it with eix. I just recently started to really using eix a fair bit. I suspect they are getting a new thing ready. Sort of keep me confused ya know. ;-) Oh well, at least it keeps getting better. LFS would be fun for sure. We'd be writing scripts like crazy. LOL Dale :-) :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] CHOST question.
Jerry McBride wrote: On Tuesday 05 February 2008 09:40:30 am Alan McKinnon wrote: On Tuesday 05 February 2008, Jerry McBride wrote: Would the compiler then be optimized for the pentium4 and thus run a tad bit faster? See Benedikt's answer for why you should not go down this road. If you did get it all to work right, and suffered through the emerge -e world required, your computer would in fact run a tiny tad faster, where tad is defined is a teensy weensy little bit, so small you can hardly see it with a magnifying glass Not worth the effort IMHO. Of course, there are ricers out there that will swear by it and declare that their machine runs much faster, but very few if any of them ever produce some actual numbers... Thanks for the post. I actually started working on this project late last night... My target test machine is an getting old Compaq R3000 with a 3ghz P4. What I'm going to do is just what you suggested. First I'm going to finish freshening the laptop. This is my daily hack-n-slash computer, so no worries clobbering it. I'm near the end of finishing an emerge -e world that was preceded with two rounds of emerge -e system Next step is some exhaustive bench marking. All suggestions welcomed. Then once completed, I'' make the change to chost from i686 to pentium4, following the docs on the net. Once done and smoothed out... another freshening as mentioned above, followed up with identical runs of what ever benchmarks I ran before... Should be interesting... It'll lay to rest what everyone speculates or postulates. :') Cheers. There is a script that will take care of the emerge and you only have to do it once. It's on the forums but I still have a copy if you want me to email it to you. Dale :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] CHOST question.
Jerry McBride wrote: Thanks for the offer. I'm almost finished the re-compiling stuff however. Why not post the script anyways? Someone else may be doing the same thing. Cheers. It is attached. It's been around a while so I assume it still works. I put mine in the /root directory and you also need to be in the directory when you run it. It does some sort of extraction thing. It puts it where ever you are when you run it. Dale :-) :-) genscript.sh Description: Bourne shell script
Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo rebuild, cups won't work WORKAROUND (i.e. mysteriously solved)
Dave Jones wrote: Kevin O'Gorman wrote on 05/02/08 04:13: hp-setup stubbornly refuses to acknowledge /dev/lp0 I got it to work, but don't really know what was wrong. The drive that held my root directory and all configs had failed. Friday, i got it back from the DiskSavers, along with the data on a new USB external drive. Copying over the cups config files just magically made the printer work locally. I'm still struggling with a host of issues, so I'm going to ignore the fact that I have no idea what keeps my CUPS working. Please check that you have USE=parport enabled for hplip Thanks for the help. I did find that hplip was compiled without the parport flag. Since local printing on the parallel port is now working without it, I wonder what it does? Dale beat me to pointing out that you may have missed the parport USE flag, most likely the cause of the problem. I guess that you've restored your old /etc/hp/hplip.conf, which was probably enough to enable the cups print queue once you restored your /etc/cups directory. The hp-setup in the new hplip probably needs the parport USE flag to determine whether to support parallel port probes. Without the parport USE flag, I guess that it assumes that you're not interested in them. Thanks, and I'll get that info when I have things a bit more stable. Good luck, hope you get your system stabilised soon. Cheers, Dave Dale has added the USE flag parport to his too. Just in case I ever need it. Mine is not grayed out now either. That should work. Ain't having all the options neat? Even if you have to recompile things a lot. ;-) Dale :-) :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] How to don't autoload a module
Elyahou ITTAH wrote: What i can do so that the kernel module iwl3945 don't be autoload at the boot ? He is not on module.autoload.d/kernel ... I have many modules (Alsa,nvidia,uvcvideo) which are loaded automaticaly but i don't know why... I am interested to remove this autoload only for iwl3945 thx I don't use many modules myself but I have read that udev can autoload modules. May want to check that while waiting on a guru to come along. Hope that helps. Dale :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] (OT) Reboot to Windows (using grub)
Dan Farrell wrote: On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 13:34:07 + Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought the point of the question was to avoid waiting for the GRUB menu to appear. I sometimes forget that some people actually use XP as an alternate OS (for me it's just there in case I forget how bored with games I am) You should join me then. All I have is Linux. I have NEVER bought a M$ product, ever. I built this rig and put Linux on it. I have never looked back either. Dale :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Horribly off-topic linux distro question...
Florian Philipp wrote: SNIP Malware for Linux? What about those macro viruses for Open Office? Every cross platform software such as Mozilla derivatives, java based stuff like Azureus and so on is a possible target. But can they infect a Linux box the way they do a M$ box? I don't use Windoze here but since I only use Linux I would like to know just how secure it is. I manage my bank account and credit card account from my Linux box. I also have java and OOo installed. Thanks Dale :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] (OT) Reboot to Windows (using grub)
Peter Humphrey wrote: On Saturday 09 February 2008 04:35:35 Daniel Barkalow wrote: *This .sig left intentionally blank* It did? Where did it leave for? That reminds me of the pages in the IBM service manuals. They would put that on the blank pages. My questions was always this: If it has that on it, is it blank? :/ Dale :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] (OT) Reboot to Windows (using grub)
Daniel Barkalow wrote: On Sat, 9 Feb 2008, Dale wrote: Peter Humphrey wrote: On Saturday 09 February 2008 04:35:35 Daniel Barkalow wrote: *This .sig left intentionally blank* It did? Where did it leave for? That reminds me of the pages in the IBM service manuals. They would put that on the blank pages. My questions was always this: If it has that on it, is it blank? :/ In fact, my .sig is entirely blank. I just always type the same thing by hand after writing every email, and have been doing so for long enough to forget if there was actually a good reason to do so originally. There may have also been a good reason I didn't make it *This .sig intentionally left blank*, which would match the word order of the IBM manuals (and the door in Zork). The IBM manuals actually had a good reason. I think it was that they were in loose-leaf binders so they could mail people new versions of individual chapters, and each chapter was therefore on pieces of paper that weren't shared with any other chapter (this also required page numbers like 6-15). This meant that if a chapter ended on a right-hand page, the other side of the paper couldn't have anything on it. But if it were actually blank, people would worry that it was a misprint (if two sheets stuck together in the printer and then came unstuck before shipping, this could happen). So they wanted to print something innocuous on that side. -Daniel *This .sig left intentionally blank* This is funny, I used to put the IBM manuals together in my spare time. LOL That was how they did it too. You get a new fresh one and they just updated the pages that were changed. I used to also try to figure out what was changed. Saw a couple that had typos. Most of the time it was a serious change. I guess they made changes to the boards so that led to the manual being changed too. I also worked in a print shop. So yea, the pages can stick together sometimes. I've had it happen to me a few times. Humidity in the south makes them sticky. Memories. . . . . Dale :-) :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Interrogate network for devices
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry for the OT, but unable to raise anyone at comcast right now. I think I recall having read somewhere that one can do something to discover what devices are on a network (Home lan). And what there addresses are. I've recently switched from DSL to Cable connection but still have both working currently. I had assumed my netgear-firewall/router would find the Cable modem and be able to talk to it, but that isn't happening. I can connect the cable modem direct to a pc and using the software that comes with it establish a connection to the internet, but I wanted to have that firewall/router in between the cable modem and home pcs. But that is only on a windows machine. The help file that comes with the modem provides no information about how one talks to the modem. No ethernet address is supplied. However it is an ethernet device and connects to the pc with ethernet cable. Apparently comcast felt it wiser to provide no details and let its software do the connecting. But can't I learn the IP address (inward facing) of the modem? The IP from outside is of course visible to ipconfig, when connecting to internet from a windows machine thru the cable modem, but I see nothing that indicates what its lanside ethernet address is. Its obviously connecting to the pc with dhcp so setting the netgear to listen for dhcp seemed like it should work... but doesn't. I thought I would be able to connect to the cable modem with a browser and maybe learn enough to make the netgear router/firewall connect to it, or one of my gentoo boxes, so have tried a few of the semi-standard addresses other ethernet hubs/routers etc default to, like 192.168.0.1, 192.168.1.1 and a few more. I'm not sure if this will work for you or not but it worked for me when I was at my ex's and we had cable there. Cut everything off. Turn on the modem and wait a minute or two after the lights stop changing and blinking. Turn on the next device, router in our case, and wait a few minutes again. Then turn on the computers. I always cut on the one hooked to the ethernet #1 port first but it may not matter. That was my Linux box and it was always on, 24/7. I also had to change the IP address on the router to a fixed address to get it to work right. I think I had it set to 192.168.100.2. After that, we had very little trouble with the connection. The modem itself was 192.168.100.1. If you hook your computer directly to the modem, you can see things like signal strength and stuff. Can't change anything tho. You just get to look. I think it had like a reset button too. Also, if I had anything between the computer and the modem, I could not see the modem at all. YMMV. Oh, we had Vista-Media to. If that matters any. May not help but may be worth a shot in the dark. Dale :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Interrogate network for devices
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It turned out to be a simple matter of cycling the various modem/router PC s in the right order. Once I got the help desk it took about 2 minutes to get things resolved. It was setup right just needed to recycle the Modem with router off. So that is why they told me to cut off everything then turn on in sequence from the cable to the puter. Makes sense now. Dale :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Interrogate network for devices
Dan Farrell wrote: On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 21:52:14 -0600 Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I also had to change the IP address on the router to a fixed address to get it to work right. I think I had it set to 192.168.100.2. After that, we had very little trouble with the connection. The modem itself was 192.168.100.1. If you hook your computer directly to the modem, you can see things like signal strength and stuff. Can't change anything tho. You just get to look. Interesting! I wonder if mine had a utility for something like that on the disks that I didn't bother to open that came with the modem In this case it sounds a lot like a DMZ kind of thing, right? I see DSL doing that a lot of the time. Often you can also turn it off and use it as a dumb ppp or such. Other times, your stuck behind it and may not even be able to forward ports. Or maybe it's something different, something I haven't seen. I'm no guru on this thing but for some reason the DHCP part in the Linksys router would just not accept the address from the modem. Sort of weird in a way tho. Since I use Linux only, I never installed any software. I just pointed my browser to that address and up it popped. That would work when looking for the modem or the router. Tho I could not get to the modem if the router was in the middle. Not sure what the deal is on that. If I had access to one I'd get you a screen shot or something but like I said, that was my ex's thing. She is still mad that I left. She had issues that I couldn't deal with. Ya know. ;-) Dale :-) :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] load too high
Dale wrote: 443-653-1569 wrote: On 23:27 Mon 11 Feb , Miguel Peña Gomez wrote: atop 3 filter by p WOW!!, this atop program is great, one of the best diagnostic tools I've seen. Why haven't I heard more about it? Bill Roberts What package provides that command? Dale :-) :-) Never mind. I just needed my glasses. I thought it was _S_top not _A_top. :/ Dale :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] load too high
443-653-1569 wrote: On 23:27 Mon 11 Feb , Miguel Peña Gomez wrote: atop 3 filter by p WOW!!, this atop program is great, one of the best diagnostic tools I've seen. Why haven't I heard more about it? Bill Roberts What package provides that command? Dale :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Fake IMAP - Real IMAP
Grant wrote: I've been waiting and waiting and waiting forever for DSL to come to my neighborhood just so that I can switch to a decent provider and rid myself of this nonsense. Don't assume DSL will be better. They often block ports too (as you said, it's well within their service agreement to do so, but I still think it sucks). At least 'round here you have far more ISP choices with DSL. With cable all you get is a choice between 2-3 of the national send us your money and shut up ISPs. With DSL you can pick from at least a dozen and a couple of them are top notch local firms run by geeks for geeks. Where is that, New York City? Sounds like the promised land. - Grant Since DSL is supposed to be coming here soon, I'd like to know what is a good one myself. ATT is the one running the cable but do I have other choices? Is ATT OK for a home setup? Anything has to beat this stinking dial-up I have right now tho. Thanks Dale :-) :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Is it sefe to unmerge?
Alan McKinnon wrote: On Wednesday 13 February 2008, Sergey Kobzar wrote: attr provides extended attributes to ext2/3 and XFS file systems, used by selinux and posix capabilities. If you use these features, you already are aware of it. So, if I use reiserfs w/o ext attrs (option in kernel), I don't need it probably. Correct? You certainly don't need it, as attr doesn't support reiser. I'm looking at my own reiser-based machine and wondering why on earth I ever merged it myself I have attr on here as well. This is what equery says: [EMAIL PROTECTED] / # equery depends attr [ Searching for packages depending on attr... ] app-backup/dar-2.2.6 (acl? sys-apps/attr) gnome-base/gnome-vfs-2.20.1-r1 (acl? sys-apps/attr) sys-apps/acl-2.2.45 (=sys-apps/attr-2.4) sys-apps/coreutils-6.9-r1 (xattr? sys-apps/attr) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / # Seems like a few packages depend on it here. OP, have you had any of these installed at some point? Dale :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Linux, reiserfs and file fragmentation
Hi, I'm not wanting to start a flame or anything but I have a question, or two, on file fragmentation. I have three hard drives here. This is how they are partitioned at the moment: [EMAIL PROTECTED] / # df Filesystem 1K-blocksUsed Available Use% Mounted on /dev/hda619530340768940011840940 40% / /dev/hda11893397741 171822 5%/boot /dev/hda748825321805104 3077428 37%/usr/portage /dev/hda848825321402172 3480360 29%/home /dev/hdb17814576815171752 6297401620%/data [EMAIL PROTECTED] / # So you won't freak out, I removed the system generated file systems. I use reiserfs on everything except /boot. It has ext2. I found a program, script really, that will tell how fragmented a file system is. This is what it reports: [EMAIL PROTECTED] / # /root/fragck.pl /usr/portage/ 2.93016639526831% non contiguous files, 1.10476912422558 average fragments. [EMAIL PROTECTED] / # /root/fragck.pl /data/ 4.64526022181977% non contiguous files, 1.08609726757175 average fragments. [EMAIL PROTECTED] / # /root/fragck.pl /home/ statfs: No such file or directory Use of uninitialized value in pattern match (m//) at /root/fragck.pl line 32. Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at /root/fragck.pl line 41. : not understand for /home/dale/.googleearth/Registry/google/gecommonsettings/User/layers/hiking\ and\ mountain\ bike\ trails\ . 6.4034151547492% non contiguous files, 2.34827463536108 average fragments. [EMAIL PROTECTED] / # The big one: [EMAIL PROTECTED] / # /root/fragck.pl / statfs: No such file or directory sh: en_1ca_4278190280: command not found sh: wm_6: command not found sh: wp_#usr#kde#3.5#share#wallpapers#here-gear.svgz_1196427186: command not found sh: blm_0: command not found sh: 01.png: command not found Use of uninitialized value in pattern match (m//) at /root/fragck.pl line 32. Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at /root/fragck.pl line 41. : not understand for /var/tmp/kdecache-root/background/143x115_bm_0;en_1ca_4278190280;wm_6;wp_\#usr\#kde\#3.5\#share\#wallpapers\#here-gear.svgz_1196427186;blm_0;01.png . statfs: No such file or directory sh: en_1ca_4278190280: command not found sh: wm_6: command not found sh: wp_#usr#kde#3.5#share#wallpapers#here-gear.svgz_1192962680: command not found sh: blm_0: command not found sh: 01.png: command not found Use of uninitialized value in pattern match (m//) at /root/fragck.pl line 32. Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at /root/fragck.pl line 41. : not understand for /var/tmp/kdecache-root/background/143x115_bm_0;en_1ca_4278190280;wm_6;wp_\#usr\#kde\#3.5\#share\#wallpapers\#here-gear.svgz_1192962680;blm_0;01.png . 7.03979903669298% non contiguous files, 1.22497799280025 average fragments. [EMAIL PROTECTED] / # Please pardon the error message. I use the script, I didn't write it. :/ I understand that doing the root directory is sort of a sum of all the others so it may be a little misleading to say the least. My questions; is this badly fragmented? How can I unfragment all the files and not bork something up badly? My opinion on this tho, considering this install is about 4 years old, not to bad. I've seen worse on a windoze rig shortly after a install. ;-) Thanks for any advice/info you can provide. Let me know if you need more info too. Dale :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Linux, reiserfs and file fragmentation
Michal 'vorner' Vaner wrote: Hello On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 05:06:43AM -0600, Dale wrote: My questions; is this badly fragmented? How can I unfragment all the files and not bork something up badly? My opinion on this tho, considering this install is about 4 years old, not to bad. I've seen worse on a windoze rig shortly after a install. ;-) I would guess the fragmented files are the big ones. And, with average of 2 fragments per file, it is not too much. If you have a movie with 30MB fragments, then it is no problem. Unless you hear lot of rattling noise from the HDD, you could leave it as is. And the surest way to defragment a filesystem is take everything out and put it back again. It will write the files one after another and will have no reason to split them. So if for example I copied everything over to a different hard drive and then copied everything back, it would be defragmented then? I would think of something like this: Boot some live CD. Mount old and backup drives. Copy old drive to a backup drive using cp -av yada yada. Make a new file system on the old drive to make sure all is clean. Copy everything back over from the backup to the old drive using cp -av yada yada. I would also take the opportunity to redo a few partitions while I was able to. The biggest slow down by the way is when logging into KDE the first time. It takes a long while and that drive is just a getting it. The light just stays on while loading everything up. Your thoughts and others if needed. Dale :-) :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Linux, reiserfs and file fragmentation
Thomas Kahle wrote: Hi, my 2 cents: | So if for example I copied everything over to a different hard drive and | then copied everything back, it would be defragmented then? I think so yes, but still I would not do it as I think you will hardly notice the difference, but there is a good chance to screw things up. | I would think of something like this: | | Boot some live CD. | Mount old and backup drives. | Copy old drive to a backup drive using cp -av yada yada. Its very important to do this as root and preserve all the file permissions and symbolic links exactly as they are on the drive. In particular the backup file system must support all this. (You cannot backup to a FAT file system, etc.) the cp option -b could help, but surely you should read man cp and man mount | Make a new file system on the old drive to make sure all is clean. | Copy everything back over from the backup to the old drive using cp -av | yada yada. | | I would also take the opportunity to redo a few partitions while I was | able to. If you do so don't forget to update /etc/fstab and the configuration of the bootloader ! | The biggest slow down by the way is when logging into KDE the first | time. It takes a long while and that drive is just a getting it. The | light just stays on while loading everything up. I personally think this is not due to fragmentation. On loading KDE just preloads some big libraries (it is a big program :) and this takes some time. Furthermore the libraries are loaded with LD_BIND_NOW=true, which makes the linker resolve all the symbols when KDE starts. (KDE takes longer to load, but later the programs are loaded faster). You can google for that to learn what it means. Hope it helps a little Thomas I did a little test. Something fishy here. I did a test with the /data partition. I store pictures and documents there and it was fragmented. I cp -av to another reiserfs formatted partition then remade the file system and copied it back using basically the same command just in reverse. This is what I got now: [EMAIL PROTECTED] / # /root/fragck.pl /data/ 3.88457269700333% non contiguous files, 1.04344379261138 average fragments. [EMAIL PROTECTED] / # That is not a lot better than it was before. It was 4.6% before. How is that? I copied it over then ran the command right after without even touching the files. Any ideas? Is there a limit to the fragmenting smallness? Dale :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Linux, reiserfs and file fragmentation
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Donnerstag, 14. Februar 2008, Dale wrote: The biggest slow down by the way is when logging into KDE the first time. It takes a long while and that drive is just a getting it. The light just stays on while loading everything up. do you use prelink? I did use it at one time. It didn't seem to speed anything up. I can't recall when I stopped using it tho. It's been a while. Think it would help now? It is usually when I first login that it takes so long. After the first time, it only takes about 5 or 6 seconds. Not real bad but I was thinking about my poor five year old drive. o_O Thanks. Dale :-) :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Mailman trouble
Johannes Skov Frandsen wrote: Hi For some reason my mailman has stopped responding... probably after a upgrade but I'm not sure. I can't seem to start or stop mailman... # /etc/init.d/mailman stop * Stopping mailman ... [ !! ] # /etc/init.d/mailman start * WARNING: mailman has already been started. I tried to start mailman manually with '/usr/lib/mailman/mailmanctl start' but got this error: Site list is missing: mailman Then I ask mailman to display my lists with '/usr/lib/mailman/bin/ list_lists' which gave me this response: No matching mailing lists found which is somewhat odd as I checked that the lists was located where they have been the whole time at '/usr/local/mailman/lists/' which was the case. I have tried to kill all mailman processes but without any luck in regards to starting the service again. My best bet is that I have missed some crucial change when accepted changes to a conf file after an upgrade using dispatch-conf, but I have no idea which. Anybody had the same problem and found a solution? Worst case scenario, how do I move my existing lists to a fresh installation of mailman? I'm not sure about mailman but this is how I handle a service that is giving me fits. /etc/init.d/service-name stop. Then I use ps aux and make sure there are no living processes still there and kill them if needed. Then I do a /etc/init.d/service-name zap then do a /etc/init.d/service-name start. Cross all fingers at that point. I'm not sure if it will help or not but until some mailman guru comes along, it may be worth thinking about trying. YMMV. Dale :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Linux, reiserfs and file fragmentation
Uwe Thiem wrote: On Thursday 14 February 2008, Dale wrote: I did a little test. Something fishy here. I did a test with the /data partition. I store pictures and documents there and it was fragmented. I cp -av to another reiserfs formatted partition then remade the file system and copied it back using basically the same command just in reverse. This is what I got now: [EMAIL PROTECTED] / # /root/fragck.pl /data/ 3.88457269700333% non contiguous files, 1.04344379261138 average fragments. [EMAIL PROTECTED] / # That is not a lot better than it was before. It was 4.6% before. How is that? I copied it over then ran the command right after without even touching the files. Before you copy back, you have to clean the old partition - either by deleting everything or by partioning it. Uwe I just did a mkreiserfs /dev/hdb1. That should work right? Dale :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Linux, reiserfs and file fragmentation
Daniel Iliev wrote: On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 06:01:16 -0600 Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michal 'vorner' Vaner wrote: Hello On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 05:06:43AM -0600, Dale wrote: My questions; is this badly fragmented? How can I unfragment all the files and not bork something up badly? My opinion on this tho, considering this install is about 4 years old, not to bad. I've seen worse on a windoze rig shortly after a install. ;-) I would guess the fragmented files are the big ones. And, with average of 2 fragments per file, it is not too much. If you have a movie with 30MB fragments, then it is no problem. Unless you hear lot of rattling noise from the HDD, you could leave it as is. And the surest way to defragment a filesystem is take everything out and put it back again. It will write the files one after another and will have no reason to split them. So if for example I copied everything over to a different hard drive and then copied everything back, it would be defragmented then? I would think of something like this: Boot some live CD. Mount old and backup drives. Copy old drive to a backup drive using cp -av yada yada. Make a new file system on the old drive to make sure all is clean. Copy everything back over from the backup to the old drive using cp -av yada yada. I would also take the opportunity to redo a few partitions while I was able to. The biggest slow down by the way is when logging into KDE the first time. It takes a long while and that drive is just a getting it. The light just stays on while loading everything up. Your thoughts and others if needed. Dale :-) :-) :-) If you haven't already done this, you could try [1] for faster KDE boot. I believe it'll bring you much bigger application start-up boost than defragmenting your FS. Please, notice that I'm not saying that defragmentation is pointless. Just the opposite: I believe fragmentation leads to a perceivable (and actually measurable) performance hit. [1] http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/prelink-howto.xml Now I remember why I stopped using prelink: The only maintenance required is re-running prelink every time a library is upgraded for a pre-linked executable. I knew there was a reason I stopped. I never could remember to run it after I finished emerging stuff. It was a thought tho. Dale :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Linux, reiserfs and file fragmentation
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Donnerstag, 14. Februar 2008, Dale wrote: Now I remember why I stopped using prelink: The only maintenance required is re-running prelink every time a library is upgraded for a pre-linked executable. I knew there was a reason I stopped. I never could remember to run it after I finished emerging stuff. prelink runs by cron - not after every emerge. That is reallye enough. May have to check this out again then, now that a cron can remember to prelink again. LOL Dang I'm getting old. :-( Dale :-) :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Linux, reiserfs and file fragmentation
Alan McKinnon wrote:
On Thursday 14 February 2008, Uwe Thiem wrote:
Yes, everything will be defragmented. In addition, it will leave gaps
between files. So if a file lateron grows it will not immediately
fragment.
Which will cause a stupid script to report fragmentation if the author
does not understand file system structure...
Yea, I have always read that Linux file systems are a lot better at
taking care of fragmentation. Considering how old this install is and
how much has been installed/removed/upgraded over the past several
years, I think it is not to bad really. Even 10% with the number of
files I have is better than fat or NTFS. My bro has XP with NTFS and it
gets downright awful.
For the record, I have over 502,000 files and over 49,000 directories on
this system. That's less than 20,000 files that are fragmented. It's
not just the OS but documents, little movies and a LOT of pictures.
Maybe I just need a bigger hard drive. O_O I have two 80GB drives and
a single 40GB drive. Waiting on DSL. he he he he he
I also attached a copy of the program I used. I think I got it off the
forums. Maybe some guru can improve it a little. ;-)
Dale
:-) :-)
#!/usr/bin/perl -w
#this script search for frag on a fs
use strict;
#number of files
my $files = 0;
#number of fragment
my $fragments = 0;
#number of fragmented files
my $fragfiles = 0;
#search fs for all file
open (FILES, find . $ARGV[0] . -xdev -type f |);
while (defined (my $file = FILES)) {
#quote some chars in filename
$file =~ s/!/\\!/g;
$file =~ s/#/\\#/g;
$file =~ s//\\/g;
$file =~ s//\\/g;
$file =~ s//\\/g;
$file =~ s/\$/\\\$/g;
$file =~ s/\(/\\\(/g;
$file =~ s/\)/\\\)/g;
$file =~ s/\|/\\\|/g;
$file =~ s/'/\\'/g;
$file =~ s/ /\\ /g;
#nb of fragment for the file
open (FRAG, filefrag $file |);
my $res = FRAG;
if ($res =~ m/.*:\s+(\d+) extents? found/) {
my $fragment = $1;
$fragments+=$fragment;
if ($fragment 1) {
$fragfiles++;
}
$files++;
} else {
print ($res : not understand for $file.\n);
}
close (FRAG);
}
close (FILES);
print ( $fragfiles / $files * 100 . % non contiguous files, . $fragments / $files . average fragments.\n);
Re: [gentoo-user] Linux, reiserfs and file fragmentation
Alan McKinnon wrote: On Thursday 14 February 2008, Uwe Thiem wrote: That aside, how would gaps *between* files ever translate into fragmentation unless the author of that particular piece of software managed to kill his very last brain cell? Oops. I had a brain fart there. You two are so funny. I found this too: http://www.oo-software.com/home/en/products/oodefrag/ Seems someone is trying to make money. I have also read that most Linux file systems do this automatically somehow. After doing my test, I tend to agree. So why have a commercial product for this? Is it just money? Your thoughts, humor is OK too. o_O Dale :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Looking for PCI-X external SATA controller
Neil Walker wrote: Kevin O'Gorman wrote: I can find a lot of cards that are almost what I want. But I have an external drive, and a PCI-X motherboard. Not internal, and not PCI-E. Anybody know of such a beast A quick Google led to this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816124003 Be lucky, Neil Dale makes a note of this. Questions: If I buy this card and a SATA hard drive, will I notice faster transfer speed on the drive or will the PCI bus limit it somehow? I currently get 40 to 50 MBs/sec on my IDE drives. Would this setup be any faster? Thanks Dale :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Linux, reiserfs and file fragmentation
Uwe Thiem wrote: Back in the days when I still used DOS, one certainly wanted to defragment periodically. The system became significantly more performant for a while. On Linux/Unix, I never bothered. Uwe Yea, I remember those days too. Put the disk and get it started then wait until it finishes the next day. Sometimes it would take more time than that. I mean, when you got a puter with 64K of ram and maybe 200 or 300MBs of hard drive space, well, it takes a while. Oh, that 4MHz blazingly fast CPU helped a lot too. ;-) Dale :-) :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Ext4 status - Alternative to ext2/3 for gentoo portage and more
Aaron Clark wrote: Dirk Heinrichs wrote: Am Freitag, 15. Februar 2008 schrieb ext Strong Cypher: For exemple , with reiser4 the portage directory don't take a lot of space, and so read it it's really fast... The same is true for reiser3. I want a alternative Well, there are plenty: xfs, jfs, ... Of the current main four FS's on modern linux, here's a general overview of them: ext3: Older, reliable, stable. You get very good tools support for ext3 (including online resize) and low cpu-usage for the most part but it's slower and less space efficient than more recent fs's. jfs: Better performance than ext3, deals with larger files reasonably well with low cpu usage. Not very commonly used to my knowledge. reiserfs (reiser3): very fast for most operations (the exception being directory creation iirc), especially efficient for dealing with many small files. It has noticeably higher cpu-usage than ext3/jfs. I believe there are also some potential performance bottlenecks on SMP systems as it makes liberal use of the Big Kernel Lock. xfs: high performance, especially when dealing with many large or small files; Gets along very well with raid arrays. Noticeably higher cpu usage than ext3/jfs. IIRC, it aggressively caches its writes so there is a slight possibility of data loss if your power goes out suddenly in the middle of a series of writes (I consider this a very small possibility, it is journalled like the other fs's on this list so the filesystem will still come up in a consistent state, you just may be missing some of the data you were writing). Very good online tools support provided with it. I'm sure someone will jump in to correct me if I've misremembered something. Favorite filesystems can be a bit like Window Manager or favorite Desktop debates. Aaron Little addition to XFS, I tried it once a while ago. Every time the power failed, it would never boot again. I can say from personal experience and from what I have read from others, if you plan to use XFS, have a good UPS hooked up. It does not like power failures at all. YMMV Dale :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Looking for PCI-X external SATA controller
Stroller wrote: On 15 Feb 2008, at 05:12, Dale wrote: Dale makes a note of this. Questions: If I buy this card and a SATA hard drive, will I notice faster transfer speed on the drive or will the PCI bus limit it somehow? I currently get 40 to 50 MBs/sec on my IDE drives. Would this setup be any faster? If you want faster throughput then onboard controllers or PCI-express (PCI-e) are the way to go. I'm not sure how the bandwidth of regular old PCI compares to (i.e. limits) that of an SATA harddrive, but you can come across PCI's performance limitations if using a RAID array. PCI-express has _signifcantly_ more capacity than regular old PCI - I read recently that regular old PCI may be unable to keep up with a gigabit network card that onboard gigbit network ports are faster. I tend to think of PCI-X just as long PCI or only-a-bit-faster-than PCI. It might be (say?) double the speed of short PCI, but it doesn't match PCI-e's several-times (?) performance. PCI-X may be useful when trying to get the best performance out of an older motherboard, or if you're trying to save money by picking up an expensive hardware-RAID card cheaper secondhand, but I would try to avoid investing too much money in it until you've done the maths - a new motherboard / CPU / RAM might even be cheaper faster. Stroller. So basically I need to build a new rig with newer stuff? I have a old Abit NF7-2.0 mobo right now. I want to build a rig with dual CPUs and all the new stuff. Got to save up some serious cash first tho. Being disabled makes that take a little time. Thanks for the info. Dale :-) :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Ext4 status - Alternative to ext2/3 for gentoo portage and more
Aaron Clark wrote: Dale wrote: Little addition to XFS, I tried it once a while ago. Every time the power failed, it would never boot again. I can say from personal experience and from what I have read from others, if you plan to use XFS, have a good UPS hooked up. It does not like power failures at all. YMMV :) In the YMMV category, I've used XFS on pretty much every file server I've had in the last 4-5 years and it's never given me any trouble despite pretty much never having a UPS hooked up and a decent number of power outages. Granted, I never used it on my root filesystem, only storage partitions. Aaron Good idea not to use it on the / file system. LOL I was using Mandriva for my ex's Mom. After about three or four tries, I went back to reiserfs. It would crash but it would boot right back up again. Nothing lost that I know of. I just never trusted it again. I have also been told, and read elsewhere, that it is a pretty well known thing that it doesn't like power failures. It has its good points tho, which is why I was trying it out. Dale :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] reiser4 status
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Freitag, 15. Februar 2008, Dale wrote: If I recall correctly, he is accused of killing his wife. Since he was the one that was leading the project and he is well, busy, then things have sort of slowed if not stopped all together. Hans was never one of the programmers. He had the vision and paid them. The vision is not needed anymore and at least two of them still continue improving it. I would assume tho that the people programming have lost their funds and has slowed down their writing. After all, we all have bills to pay. Dale :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Missing .config
sean wrote: I was updating my system and the nvidia drivers complained that there was no .config in /usr/src/linux. I looked at it was gone. This has happened before. Is this some bug? I am running on amd64. Unfortunately I do not have a current copy of .config. Does anyone know a less painful way of rebuilding than through make menuconfig? I have got to remember to make a backup. Thanks Sean The system may have a generated copy here: /proc/config.gz Just unzip it to /usr/src/linux and see if that works. Hope that helps. Dale :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [nb] How to change permission on this
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sat, 16 Feb 2008 08:22:19 -0800, Brian Marshall wrote: I have a lot of dir. and files in my home directory. I want to chown all of it to my user. How to do this by one comand ? Thanks With recursion: chown -R user:group * That won't cover hidden files, try chown -R user: ~user Neil, What does the ~ make it do different? Got me curious about that. Dale :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [nb] How to change permission on this
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Feb 17, 2008 at 12:52:05AM +, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sat, 16 Feb 2008 10:50:37 -0600, Dale wrote: With recursion: chown -R user:group * That won't cover hidden files, try chown -R user: ~user What does the ~ make it do different? Got me curious about that. Nothing in itself, it just refers to the user's home directory. The important point is that giving a directory matces all files in that directory, whereas * omits those beginning with a . in most people's shells. * also omits the home directory itself. It probably wouldn't matter in this case, but if you copied a user's home directory from one machine to another where the uid changed, it would apply. So it is like typing in the command cd ~ and it takes you to the home directory. Gotcha. Kewl. :-D Wonder why that didn't hit me when I read it? Dale :-) :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user]
Danyelle Gragsone wrote: unsubscribe Here we go again. Everybody ready? NO !!! You can check out but you can never never leave. We hold every one hostage here. ha ha ha ha ha ha OK. Seriously. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Then confirm it. We MAY let you leave. Dale :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] emerging cups: QA: stop using the bindnow-flags function
Alexander Puchmayr wrote: Hi there! I tried to (re-)emerge net-print/cups-1.2.12-r4 and I get the following output: SNIP It seems as if in econf the line --with-bindnow=$(bindnow-flags) directly inserts the warning from QA into configure-arguments ... Any suggestions? Thanks Alex I'm not sure if it will help or not but I re-emerged mine and noticed this at the end: * Remote printing: change * Listen localhost:631 * to * Listen *:631 * in /etc/cups/cupsd.conf * For more information about installing a printer take a look at: * http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/printing-howto.xml. * * /usr/lib/cups exists - You need to remerge every ebuild that * installed into /usr/lib/cups and /etc/cups, qfile is in portage-utils: * # FEATURES=-collision-protect emerge -va1 $(qfile -qC /usr/lib/cups /etc/cups | sed s:net-print/cups$::) * * FEATURES=-collision-protect is needed to overwrite the compatibility * symlinks installed by this package, it wont be needed on later merges. * You should also run revdep-rebuild ln: creating symbolic link `//usr/libexec/cups/backend/smb': File exists Regenerating /etc/ld.so.cache... net-print/cups-1.2.12-r4 merged. No packages selected for removal by clean Auto-cleaning packages... No outdated packages were found on your system. * GNU info directory index is up-to-date. = Is it possible that you need to re-emerge other packages that installed in /usr/libs/cups by chance? My re-emerge went fine so I would *think* the ebuild would be OK. I could be wrong tho. When I ran the command portage gave, I got this: == [EMAIL PROTECTED] / # FEATURES=-collision-protect emerge -va1 $(qfile -qC /usr/lib/cups /etc/cups | sed s:net-print/cups$::) These are the packages that would be merged, in order: Calculating dependencies... done! [ebuild R ] app-text/ghostscript-gpl-8.61-r1 USE=X cups gtk jpeg2k -bindist -cjk -djvu 0 kB Total: 1 package (1 reinstall), Size of downloads: 0 kB Would you like to merge these packages? [Yes/No] === May not help but just in case. Dale :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] changing dvd - hdd on the fly
pat wrote: Hello, I have notebook IBM TP43 and I have second HDD in the box. The box can be plugged in instead of the DVD drive. And I want to be able to switch these (HDD - DVD) on the fly (this is possible in windows so why not in Linux ?-) ). The HW interface is UltraBay. Could someone point me to the solution or show me the way? Thanks a lot Pat Well, I found this: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-347355-highlight-ultrabay.html and http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-349274-highlight-ultrabay.html I'm not sure it will help but it may give you some ideas. Dale :-) :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [nb] How to change permission on this
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 01:51:28 -0600, Dale wrote: So it is like typing in the command cd ~ and it takes you to the home directory. It's more like typing cd ~user to go to user's home directory, you can change permissions as the user you want to change to so this has to be done as root. I'd never use cd ~ when cd is only half the typing :) :-P lol Dale :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] What's up with qt? Almost ALL masked or keyworded now.
Kenneth Prugh wrote: On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 12:35:40 -0600 Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I was planning to install KDE 4.0.1 and finally got it all fetched. Sort of ran into this tho. [EMAIL PROTECTED] / # emerge -evp world These are the packages that would be fetched, in order: Calculating world dependencies \ !!! All ebuilds that could satisfy x11-libs/qt have been masked. !!! One of the following masked packages is required to complete your request: - x11-libs/qt-4.4.0_rc1 (masked by: package.mask) /usr/portage/profiles/package.mask: # Caleb Tennis [EMAIL PROTECTED] (19 Dec 2007) # Christian Faulhammer [EMAIL PROTECTED] # Mask qt-4.4 package while testing them in portage # Plus packages depending on them - x11-libs/qt-4.3.3 (masked by: ~x86 keyword) - x11-libs/qt-4.3.2-r1 (masked by: ) - x11-libs/qt-4.3.2 (masked by: package.mask) - x11-libs/qt-4.3.1-r1 (masked by: package.mask) - x11-libs/qt-3.3.8-r4 (masked by: package.mask) - x11-libs/qt-3.3.4-r8 (masked by: package.mask) For more information, see MASKED PACKAGES section in the emerge man page or refer to the Gentoo Handbook. (dependency required by kde-base/arts-3.5.8 [ebuild]) !!! Problem resolving dependencies for kde-base/kpf !!! Depgraph creation failed. [EMAIL PROTECTED] / # This is what qt looks like as to what is available and what is masked: [EMAIL PROTECTED] / # equery list -p x11-libs/qt [ Searching for package 'qt' in 'x11-libs' among: ] * installed packages [I--] [M ] x11-libs/qt-3.3.8-r4 (3) [I--] [ ] x11-libs/qt-4.3.2-r1 (4) * Portage tree (/usr/portage) [-P-] [M~] x11-libs/kylixlibs3-borqt-3.0 (0) [-P-] [M~] x11-libs/kylixlibs3-borqt-3.0-r1 (0) [-P-] [M ] x11-libs/qt-3.3.4-r8 (3) [-P-] [M ] x11-libs/qt-4.3.1-r1 (4) [-P-] [M ] x11-libs/qt-4.3.2 (4) [-P-] [ ~] x11-libs/qt-4.3.3 (4) [-P-] [M~] x11-libs/qt-4.4.0_rc1 (4) [-P-] [M~] x11-libs/qt-assistant-4.4.0_rc1 (4) [-P-] [M~] x11-libs/qt-core-4.4.0_rc1 (4) [-P-] [M~] x11-libs/qt-dbus-4.4.0_rc1 (4) [-P-] [M~] x11-libs/qt-embedded-3.3.8 (3) [-P-] [M~] x11-libs/qt-gui-4.4.0_rc1 (4) [-P-] [M~] x11-libs/qt-opengl-4.4.0_rc1 (4) [-P-] [M~] x11-libs/qt-phonon-4.4.0_rc1 (4) [-P-] [M~] x11-libs/qt-qt3support-4.4.0_rc1 (4) [-P-] [M~] x11-libs/qt-script-4.4.0_rc1 (4) [-P-] [M~] x11-libs/qt-sql-4.4.0_rc1 (4) [-P-] [M~] x11-libs/qt-svg-4.4.0_rc1 (4) [-P-] [M~] x11-libs/qt-test-4.4.0_rc1 (4) [-P-] [M~] x11-libs/qt-webkit-4.4.0_rc1 (4) [-P-] [M~] x11-libs/qt-xmlpatterns-4.4.0_rc1 (4) [-P-] [M~] x11-libs/qwt-qt3-5.0.2 (5) [-P-] [M~] x11-libs/qwt-qt3-5.0.2-r1 (5) [-P-] [M~] x11-libs/qwtplot3d-qt3-0.2.7 (0) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / # So even the qt3 that I have installed is masked. What's going on? I have and plan to keep KDE 3.5.8 around for a while so I assume it needs qt3 but yet KDE 4.0 needs qt4 if I understand correctly. What's the best thing to do here? Thanks Dale :-) :-) Hmm that's odd. You should have some versions of qt that aren't masked... 13:50 jeeves qt-3.3.4-r8[3]: mips qt-3.3.8-r4[3]: alpha amd64 hppa ia64 ~mips ppc ppc64 sparc x86 ~x86-fbsd qt-4.3.1-r1[4]: qt-4.3.2[4]: qt-4.3.2-r1[4]: alpha amd64 hppa ia64 ppc ppc64 sparc x86 qt-4.3.3[4]: ~alpha ~amd64 ~hppa ~ia64 ~ppc ~ppc64 ~sparc ~x86 ~x86-fbsd qt-4.4.0_rc1[4]: (M) ~x86 Have you synced recently? Are you postive you don't have any local package.masks affecting this? (Granted anything KDE 4.x is masked iirc) Also.. why are you completely rebuilding world to just install the new KDE? :/ I synced a few days ago. Dial-up sucks here. Maybe I do have some masked locally. I think I did that when I was installing 4.0.0 now that you mention it. Yup, I had it masked. Dale is a idiot. Dale is a idiot. You get the idea. :/ Still get a error tho. Calculating world dependencies - !!! All ebuilds that could satisfy ~x11-libs/qt-core-4.4.0_rc1 have been masked. !!! One of the following masked packages is required to complete your request: - x11-libs/qt-core-4.4.0_rc1 (masked by: package.mask, ~x86 keyword) /usr/portage/profiles/package.mask: # Caleb Tennis [EMAIL PROTECTED] (19 Dec 2007) # Christian Faulhammer [EMAIL PROTECTED] # Mask qt-4.4 package while testing them in portage # Plus packages depending on them For more information, see MASKED PACKAGES section in the emerge man page or refer to the Gentoo Handbook. (dependency required by x11-libs/qt-xmlpatterns-4.4.0_rc1 [ebuild]) !!! Problem resolving dependencies for kde-base/kpf !!! Depgraph creation failed. I'll use autounmask and let it deal with it. :-) I guess it was force of habit to type in world. I dunno. Let's see what I can mess up now. Dale :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] What's up with qt? Almost ALL masked or keyworded now.
Alan McKinnon wrote: On Monday 18 February 2008, Dale wrote: So even the qt3 that I have installed is masked. What's going on? I have and plan to keep KDE 3.5.8 around for a while so I assume it needs qt3 but yet KDE 4.0 needs qt4 if I understand correctly. What's the best thing to do here? Well, it's not all masked in the tree: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ $ eix -e qt [I] x11-libs/qt Available versions: (3) 3.3.4-r8 3.3.8-r4 (4) 4.3.1-r1 4.3.2 4.3.2-r1 (~)4.3.3 [M](~)4.4.0_rc1 You've been using autounmask lately? Maybe that screwed it up. Or maybe you did, especially aas you just confessed in public to being an idiot :-) Check the contents of /etc/portage/package.mask/* Actually, I hadn't used autounmask, yet. I was trying not to use it actually. When I ran autounmask, it fixed it. I got a couple blocks to deal with but after autounmask did it's thing, it seems a lot happier now. I had tried the keyword and unmask file off the Gentoo howto but I guess it needs a little update or something. Oh, I keep back-ups of my /etc directory and even a couple old copies of keyword/unmask/mask files, just in case I do something silly. Yea, I sometimes do things that makes me feel like a idiot. Don't we all tho?? Dale :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] CFLAGS changes
James wrote: Hello, Current CFLAGS=-O2 -march=i686 -pipe I want to add -fomit-frame-pointer to my CFLAGS on an existing system that has been running for months. Is this safe or do I have to rebuild everything with somelike emerge -e ? Should it be avoided completely? James Not sure if the flag is safe but I don't think portage will pick up on changes to CFLAGS. You will have to do a emerge -e for all the packages to be compiled with the new setting. You could also just change it and let the packages update over time as they get upgraded. I don't think that will cause any problems. You can also look here: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/gcc-optimization.xml Also note, there is a page somewhere that gives the best CFLAGs but I can't find it. Still looking tho. Dale :-) :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] CFLAGS changes
Dale wrote: James wrote: Hello, Current CFLAGS=-O2 -march=i686 -pipe I want to add -fomit-frame-pointer to my CFLAGS on an existing system that has been running for months. Is this safe or do I have to rebuild everything with somelike emerge -e ? Should it be avoided completely? James Not sure if the flag is safe but I don't think portage will pick up on changes to CFLAGS. You will have to do a emerge -e for all the packages to be compiled with the new setting. You could also just change it and let the packages update over time as they get upgraded. I don't think that will cause any problems. You can also look here: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/gcc-optimization.xml Also note, there is a page somewhere that gives the best CFLAGs but I can't find it. Still looking tho. Dale :-) :-) :-) I found it. This is not the official Gentoo site so use your own judgment or ask here before changing the settings. http://gentoo-wiki.com/Safe_Cflags Hope that helps. Dale :-) :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge -ef world and eclean --destructive distfiles do not agree
Alan McKinnon wrote: On Saturday 23 February 2008, Erik wrote: I am running emerge -ef world eclean --destructive distfiles' emerge -ef world eclean --destructive distfiles ... Each time eclean removes the following files: * Building file list for distfiles cleaning... * Cleaning distfiles... [ 258.9 K ] XML-LibXML-1.65.tar.gz [ 478.6 K ] klibc-1.5.8.tar.bz2 [ 290.2 K ] libassuan-1.0.4.tar.bz2 [ 67.7 K ] mftrace-1.2.9.tar.gz [ 9.2 M ] patch-2.6.24-rc7.bz2 [ 243.4 K ] setuptools-0.6c7.tar.gz * Total space that has been freed in distfiles directory: 10.5 M Then emerge downloads them again. I had expected that those 2 programs should agree on which files belong in the set of distfiles. What happens if you use 'emerge -uNDf world instead of 'emerge -ef world' -e is a special case and does not equate to the same thing as -uND I think I see it the same way he does. If you do a rm -rf /usr/portage/distfiles/* and then do a emerge -ef world, then do the eclean again, it should not remove anything since everything there is needed to recompile everything in world and their dependencies. It should also not have to redownload anything either. Isn't patch part of system? setuptools too? Dale :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] pwdb, pam and safe to remove?
Alan McKinnon wrote: On Wednesday 27 February 2008, Dale wrote: Hi, I run --depclean -p every once in a while just to clean out any cruft. This has me confused: These are the packages that would be unmerged: sys-kernel/gentoo-sources selected: 2.6.23-r6 protected: none omitted: 2.6.23-r3 2.6.23-r8 sys-libs/pwdb selected: 0.62 protected: none omitted: none dev-java/jakarta-regexp selected: 1.3-r4 protected: none omitted: none I get the gentoo-sources, no big deal. The java thing wouldn't exactly break my system either but the pwdb which pam depends on, well, wouldn't that be bad to remove? What's the deal? Remove it? Remove it and death will be painful and slow? o_O It's safe to delete. The pam_pwdb module is not used any more. There's a nice bug message in the ebuild that describes it. Did you follow the PAM Upgrade guide (URL in the ebuild) way back when? If so, just unmerge pwdb I'm not 100% sure if I did or not on the upgrade guide. I do update a couple times a week tho. If it has been a while, I may not remember it if I did. I do read the messages so if it was in there, I most likely did. Would have been cute to remove it tho and not be able to log back in. I learned the hard way to do a pretend first. Sort of make sure it is going to still work after words. Thanks for the info. Dale :-) :-) Oh, still no DSL here. They been working on the box tho. Maybe soon. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] pwdb, pam and safe to remove?
Hi, I run --depclean -p every once in a while just to clean out any cruft. This has me confused: These are the packages that would be unmerged: sys-kernel/gentoo-sources selected: 2.6.23-r6 protected: none omitted: 2.6.23-r3 2.6.23-r8 sys-libs/pwdb selected: 0.62 protected: none omitted: none dev-java/jakarta-regexp selected: 1.3-r4 protected: none omitted: none 'Selected' packages are slated for removal. 'Protected' and 'omitted' packages will not be removed. Packages installed: 855 Packages in world:298 Packages in system: 52 Unique package names: 855 Required packages:852 Number to remove: 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] / # equery depends pwdb [ Searching for packages depending on pwdb... ] sys-libs/pam-0.99.9.0 (sys-libs/pwdb) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / # equery list pwdb [ Searching for package 'pwdb' in all categories among: ] * installed packages [I--] [ ] sys-libs/pwdb-0.62 (0) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / # equery depends jakarta-regexp [ Searching for packages depending on jakarta-regexp... ] [EMAIL PROTECTED] / # I get the gentoo-sources, no big deal. The java thing wouldn't exactly break my system either but the pwdb which pam depends on, well, wouldn't that be bad to remove? What's the deal? Remove it? Remove it and death will be painful and slow? o_O Dale :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Can't boot Compaq Proliant 1600
Alan McKinnon wrote: On Saturday 01 March 2008, Daniel da Veiga wrote: Hello list, I am struggling with an old Compaq Proliant 1600 for a while. It boots perfectly using the Minimal Install CD, and all the install process goes well. When its time to boot its own kernel, GRUB loads the files, goes to the message OK, booting the kernel. and just hangs there. I used genkernel to compile the kernel. I'm now trying to compile it manually to see if it will work. Please note that this particular machine has no SMART-2 Array controller, so the disks are seen as common SCSI devices (sda and sdb), currently I'm installing the whole system at sda, leaving b untouched for backup purposes when I get this beast up and running. Anyone has any experience booting one of these machines? Not this specific model, but I would start by comparing the boot command and modules loaded from the Minimal CD with what you are trying to use when booting the installed OS. Supplying some error messages, command lines and even a relevant config file or two at this point might be found to be useful by those inclined to help you out of this predicament... I *think* I have one of these old boat anchors out in my shop. I'm not sure if it still boots or not but I may could get you a .config file for the kernel if you have no luck any other way. I say 'any other way' cause I would have to drag that monster in the house and hook it back up to the network to access it. Let me know if all else fails. I'll check the model before hooking the tractor and chain to it. LOL Dale :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] revdep-rebuild command doesn't fix broken libs it finds
Bob Young wrote: After a recent emerge -DuN world, messages for one of the packages stated that it was necessary to run revdep-rebuild after emerging the package, so I did. The revdep-rebuild ended up merging six packages, with one of them being gcc. Emerging all six packages took several hours, and I noticed that gcc by itself took a significant amount of time. The final message stated that I could re-run revdep-rebuild to verify that all inconsistencies had been resolved, unfortunately, I did not add a -p to the command and to my surprise it spent the next couple of hours or so emerging gcc again. After that finished, I again ran revdep-rebuild although this time with a -p and below is the output: SNIP How do I determine if this is a case of orphaned file, deep dependency, binary package or specially evaluated library and, if it is one of those, how do I determine which one, and then how do I fix this...? Thanks for listening, Bob Young San Jose, CA This may help: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125728 I'm not sure what changed but mine does not do this any more. I'm using app-portage/gentoolkit-0.2.3-r1 at the moment. Dale :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Can't boot Compaq Proliant 1600
Daniel da Veiga wrote: Tell me about it, gotta drag this old machine all the way up to the forth floor. It was an inexpensive choice for a file server, and I was happy to see the Gentoo Minimal CD booting (cause then I was sure it would work). Anyway, I had to go (I'm on the road right now) and left it compiling a new kernel (manually this time), that I'll test tomorrow. Is there any way to copy the LiveCD kernel and initrd so I can boot the EXACT kernel the CD is using? This way I can troubleshoot this damn thing without a LiveCD and chroot every 5 minutes... There may be a way to copy those setting and such but I'm not sure how. If Knoppix can do it there has to be a way. I read you can put Knoppix on a hard drive too. I can say one thing about the server, it has great cooling for a old rig. I think they made it big and heavy so the fans would not push it across the floor. LOL I wonder if I can copy that to the floppy? I think the floppy works. I'll check on that in a little bit. May save me from dragging that thing in the house. Dale :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] revdep-rebuild command doesn't fix broken libs it finds
Bob Young wrote: -Original Message- From: Dale [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 12:18 AM To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] revdep-rebuild command doesn't fix broken libs it finds Bob Young wrote: How do I determine if this is a case of orphaned file, deep dependency, binary package or specially evaluated library and, if it is one of those, how do I determine which one, and then how do I fix this...? Thanks for listening, Bob Young San Jose, CA This may help: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125728 I'm not sure what changed but mine does not do this any more. I'm using app-portage/gentoolkit-0.2.3-r1 at the moment. Dale :-) :-) Thanks Dale, After a little thought and some investigation I'd already come up with the symlink solution on my own. However I do find it a little disturbing that this is exactly the same, as a bug that has a creation date of: 2006-03-10, nearly two years ago. I also know that I didn't have this problem until a recent new stable version of gcc was merged. That means somebody is re-introducing bugs that have already been fixed. Making such easily avoidable mistakes does not bode well... Thanks Again, Bob Young San Jose, CA. It has been around for a while but I don't think it actually breaks anything. I have never had a problem with my system and it did that for ages. My workaround has always been to just oneshot everything but gcc and then rerun revdep-rebuild -i -p again to make sure the other problems were fixed. Of course, it would be good if it worked to begin with. Then again, I would rather a bug that breaks something be fixed first too. o_O I have gcc-4.1.2 installed here and I do not get that error. It is masked but no problems for me so far. Could it be that specific version of gcc you have maybe? Maybe someone else can chime in on what version they have and if they get that error or not. Glad to have helped. Dale :-) :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Digest of gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org issue 1422 (76278-76327)
Iain Buchanan wrote: On Mon, 2008-03-03 at 04:04 -0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Por las nuevas políticas de calidad ISO 9001 que la empresa está implementando, todos los temas relacionados con soporte técnico deben ser realizadas al correo electrónico [EMAIL PROTECTED] Muchas gracias y disculpe las molestías. Automáticamente este email será reenvio a [EMAIL PROTECTED] Is this spam or what? I seem to be getting the same message over and over to this list... I don't know the language but reading between the lines, this is my thoughts. This person has subscribed to the digest version of this list. They have set their email to send a vacation reply. So, every time he/she gets a email of the digest version, it sends out a reply that he/she is not there to read the email. Not that we really care that he/she is not there to read it. ;-) [humor] I'm thinking we send him a email that has a attachment that shuts down his email program. That way it will not send all those out telling us he is on vacation plus his spam mail will not be getting confirmation that the address is valid. [/humor] Make sense to you? Dale :-) :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
