Re: [gentoo-user] downloading from cell phone to Gentoo : solved
Thanks for all the advice offered recently. The simple method which works is (1) enable 'fuse-fs' in kernel ; (2) re-merge Kio-extras with USE="mtp" ; (3) wake phone, plug in USB connection at both ends ; (4) on phone, tap 'allow' to access data ; (5) on Gentoo, Dolphin shows 'SAMSUNG_Android' under 'Devices' ; (6) goto 'Internal storage/DCIM/Camera' ; (7) view w Gwenview, which offers to save the photo as your choice. This relies on KDE's internal use of Fuse, which simplifies actions. The device appears as /dev/libmtp... which is a symlink to /dev/bus/003/009 (or similar), which is not a block device & can't be mounted via 'mount'. KDE uses some version of Fuse to access it & offer its contents. HTH others. -- ,, SUPPORT _______//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatcadotinterdotnet
Re: [gentoo-user] 'make install' hijacked by installkernel ?
240126 Adam Carter wrote: > I just tried to install a new kernel using 'make install' > only to find that the behaviour has changed > and it appears to be running a bunch on installkernel stuff. > > 'make help' says > install - Install kernel using (your) ~/bin/installkernel or >(distribution) /sbin/installkernel or install to > $(INSTALL_PATH) and run lilo > > So I guess that I want the 'install to $(INSTALL_PATH) and run lilo' > behaviour that i'm used to. > How to i get 'make install' to ignore /sbin/installkernel ? I too just installed a new kernel (6.6.13). My notes told me to do : make && make firmware_install && make modules_install mount /boot cp arch/x86_64/boot/bzImage /boot/vmlinuz--gentoo-r cp System.map /boot/System.map--gentoo-r which worked with the appropriate version numbers inserted, but not before it choked on 'make firmware_install', which has disappeared. I too use Lilo, a simple + reliable boot manager. I have long wondered why the compile stage takes so long : it compiles innumerable .o files, which seem to involve config options I haven't chosen. The new kernel image is size 17633728 via 'ls -l /boot' : is that correct ? It does indeed boot & there are no changes in behaviour. -- ,,==== SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatcadotinterdotnet
Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel questions. Availability and upgrading from old kernel.
240121 Michael wrote: > On Sunday, 21 January 2024 07:03:43 GMT Dale wrote: >> Currently I'm running 5.14.15 gentoo-sources kernel. > This is no longer in the tree. You can update to the next stable release > 5.15.142, or keyword 5.15.147, if you want to remain on the 5.x.x series. I need to add 'fuse' support to my kernel to allow file transfer from my cell phone, so it seemed sensible to update to the latest stable version. The current version is 6.1.27-gentoo-r1 , which I compiled 230726. I was very surprised to find that the latest stable version is 6.1.67 , tho' 6.7.1 is listed as testing with others in between. Isn't this a bit slow ? -- no complaint re the hard-working dev's, of course. Have there been problems with more recent versions ? I'm reluctant to use a testing-version kernel. All are 'Gentoo-sources', which is what I've always used since 2003. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatcadotinterdotnet
Re: [gentoo-user] downloading from cell phone to Gentoo
240117 Philip Webb wrote: > I want to be able to download photos from my new cellphone to Gentoo. > The phone is a Samsung A14 5G ; its pet name is Athene. > I use KDE to manage my desktops on my desktop machine ANB6. Thanks for the many replies, which offer as many different methods. I'll try them out & report back. One further important question : do I need to enable Fuse in the kernel ? -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatcadotinterdotnet
[gentoo-user] downloading from cell phone to Gentoo
I want to be able to download photos from my new cellphone to Gentoo. The phone is a Samsung A14 5G ; its pet name is Athene. I use KDE to manage my desktops on my desktop machine ANB6. I've tried doing it with Manjaro & it works. It is vital to have Athene awake when the USB connection is plugged into ANB6 : a notice pops up asking to 'Allow', which I did. Manjaro puts up its own notice, announcing a new device & asking what to do ; I opened it in Dolphin, which shows Athene's Gallery under GalaxyA145G -> Internal storage -> DCIM -> Camera , which lists the photo images ; Dolphin can then copy them to its own file system readily & Gwenview shows them correctly. Normally on Gentoo, I mount devices -- eg USB sticks -- by hand, ie 'mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/usb' or 'musb' for short (via .bashrc ). I've looked at KDE device settings under Hardware -> Removable Storage , checked the box 'on attach' & tried with each of the 3 offerings, ie 'All known / Attached / Disconnected Devices', but no joy. Athene shows a recharging message, but nothing else happens, incl in ANB6 (Athene does indeed recharge while this is going on). There is no change in output from 'ls /dev' or in Dolphin (my usual file manager is Krusader, but Dolphin works for Manjaro). Manjaro suggests soomething called 'MTP' is involved, perhaps 'Media Transfer Protocol' (?). Does anyone have any suggestions how to get this to work on Gentoo ? -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatcadotinterdotnet
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Anyone running mutt outboung smtp on port 587?
240109 Walter Dnes wrote: > I'll soon be switching over from cable to fibre. It's the same ISP, > but I'll be needing to authenticate outbound email on port 587. > Is anybody else doing this ? If so, what changes does ~/.mutt/muttrc need ? IIRC we both live in/near Toronto, so no doubt Big Bad Bell is responsible. I could no longer use my ISP via Bell, as they can't use fibre (this was recently changed by the Feds, but no doubt only after some delay). Hence I'm now relying on my landlord's free Wifi or my new cellphone's Hotspot facility for the I/net (I fired Bell & now use Koodo, a sub of Telus), but retain my ISP's mail service ( CAD 3 / mth ), for which I too need to authenticate myself for access. My notes tell me (set up Mutt in new machine ANB6) : 'USE="mbox" emerge mutt procmail fetchmail ssmtp' cp fr ANB5 : /etc/ssmtp/ ~/.fetchmailrc ~/.procmailrc /etc/group : add '' to 'ssmtp' and (authenticate for mail access) : Send mail via Wifi : new procedure, as prev'ly no security needed ; now CIN has to be told who it's dealing w. We now need a hostname, so add 'anb6' to /etc/hostname ; in /etc/dhcpcd.conf , add 'hostname anb6' ; make sure 'hostname' service is in 'default' runlevel. Mutt uses its own 'smtp', so we need to add in .muttrc : 'set ssl_starttls=yes set ssl_force_tls=yes set smtp_url="smtp://@smtp.ca.inter.net:25" set smtp_pass=""' We also need in /etc/hosts : '127.0.0.1 anb6 localhost' I don't know anything re Port 587 : how do I find out my port number ? BTW I do recommend ca.inter.net (their name) for I/net + e-mail : I've used them happily for 15 years ; they are in Waterloo, Ont. HTH -- ,,======== SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatcadotinterdotnet
[gentoo-user] world updates blocked by Qt
231011 Alan McKinnon wrote: > Today a sync and emerge world produces a huge list of blockers. > qt 5.15.10 is currently installed and qt 5.15.11 is new in the tree and > being blocked. > All the visible blockers are Qt itself so --verbose-conflicts is needed. My experience for some time has been that Qt pkgs block one another, st the only way out is to unmerge them all, then remerge them all. If anyone knows a better method, please let us know -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatcadotinterdotnet
Re: [gentoo-user] world updates blocked by Qt
231011 Alan McKinnon wrote: > Today a sync and emerge world produces a huge list of blockers. > qt 5.15.10 is currently installed and qt 5.15.11 is new in the tree and > being blocked. > All the visible blockers are Qt itself so --verbose-conflicts is needed. My experience for some time has been that Qt pkgs block one another, st the only way out is to unmerge them all, then remerge them all. If anyone knows a better method, please let us know. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatcadotinterdotnet
Re: [gentoo-user] Email clients
230729 Peter Humphrey wrote: > I've been a loyal user of KMail for many years. > Claws mail is often mentioned hereabouts and I'd like to try it, > but first I'd need to export KMail's 20-odd-year maildir history > to mbox format. I recommend a look at Mutt, which I've used very happily since c 1998 , well before Gentoo existed. I've also always used Mbox, not Maildir. Powerful, configurable, but also simple : the UNIX approach. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] can't start X as user
230614 Michael wrote:
> On Wednesday, 14 June 2023 01:21:53 BST Philip Webb wrote:
>> My new machine has no problem with graphics using System Rescue etc
>> nor using 'startx' as root with Gentoo, but it refuses to start as user.
>> I've had a series of errors :
>> parse_vt_settings : can't open /dev/tty0 (permission denied)
>> after adding my user to 'tty input' in 'group' :
>> can't open virtual console 7 : permission denied
> Not sure if this is necessary:
>
> $ grep 'tty|input' /etc/group
> tty:x:5:
> input:x:97:
My user is in 'tty wheel usb input video' (among others).
> The elogind service ought to be in boot runlevel according to the wiki:
> https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Elogind#Configuration
I've corrected that & checked that Pam is running & Udev is in 'sysinit'.
>> 'xorg-server' has 'USE="elogind"'.
>> In my current machine, there is a /dev/fb0 with permission 660 .
>> but there is no such device in the new machine.
Ditto for /dev/dri/card0 .
> Have you followed this wiki page to configure your kernel,
> include the appropriate firmware for your card(s),
> set up INPUT_DEVICES & VIDEO_CARDS in make.conf,
> emerged associated x11-base/xorg-drivers
> and the x11-base/xorg-server packages before a reboot ?
> https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Xorg/Guide
Yes. I have "evdev" + "radeon vesa" in 'make.conf'.
'xf86-video-ati/vesa' are installed,
as is 'xorg-server' + all its requirements ("dependencies").
> There should be a fb0 device listed:
> $ ls -l /dev/fb*
> crw-rw 1 root video 29, 0 Jun 14 08:52 /dev/fb0
ANB5 has /dev/fb0 /dev/dri/card0 with 660 permitions, ANB6 hasn't
(those are my names for the present + new machines).
> You'll also need to have emerged a Desktop Environment
> or at least a window manager: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Window_manager
I've installed 'twm xterm' to test X for now.
I will install KDE for regular use later.
'.xinitrc' is
#xscreensaver &
numlockx
exec dbus-launch --exit-with-session /usr/bin/twm
ie the same as in ANB5, but substituting Twm for Plasma.
230614 Jack wrote :
> what does /var/log/Xorg.0.log show ?
It has these errors (EE) in the X log file :
Failed to load module "fbdev" (does not exist)
Open /dev/dri/card0 : no such directory or file
VESA (0) : cannot read int vect
Screens found, but none has a useable configuration
Do I need 'fbdev' or 'card0' ? Whatever is "int vect" ?
When I try to 'startx' as user, the log file is in ~/.local/share/xorg ,
which is also where it is in ANB5. When I try 'Xorg -configure',
it produces nothing of use & dumps it in my home directory (ugh).
I can probably cut the Gordian knot by emerging Xorg-server with 'suid'.
How insecure is that for a single-user system in a house ?
The Elogind approach has worked in ANB5 since Aug 2020.
I can't make much of a useful comparison between the 2 machines,
as ANB5 dates from 2015, ie long before the 'elogind' affair in 2020,
& it has Nvidia graphics, whereas ANB6 has cutting-edge AMD.
BTW System Rescue + Mint (live USB) load modules for AMDGPU,
which seems to be the latest graphics offering ;
I need to find some firmware to get it to work
(enabling AMDGPU in the kernel causes the boot process to stall
with a message re missing firmware).
There are in fact 2 graphics tools in ANB6,
one in the CPU (AMD), the other on the Mobo (Gigabyte).
How can I tell which one the machine is trying to use ?
I will continue to poke around, but further advice is very welcome.
Please read my comments above carefully (smile).
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[gentoo-user] can't start X as user
My new machine has no problem with graphics using System Rescue etc nor using 'startx' as root with Gentoo, but it refuses to start as user. I've had a series of errors : parse_vt_settings : can't open /dev/tty0 (permission denied) after adding my user to 'tty input' in 'group' : can't open virtual console 7 : permission denied after adding 'elogind' to 'default' runlevel & starting it : xf86EnableIO : failed to enable I/O ports -03ff (operation not permitted) yes, my user is in the 'video' group & 'xorg-server' has USE="elogind" . In my current machine, there is a /dev/fb0 with permission 660 . but there is no such device in the new machine. I've looked at several "solved" cases of the same error messages, but they don't seem to help my problem. Can anyone offer possible solutions ? -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] using Wifi in a new machine : solved
After much investigation, I've finally got Wifi working in my new machine. There were 2 serious problems : the firmware had been updated to a new version number (7961 from 7921), which I was able to find in System Rescue /lib/firmware (it wasn't in the latest Gentoo firmware pkg). Then many tries failed to get Wpa-supplicant to start via RC : every time, it failed to start because it couldn't find an interface (the failure seems to be due to Udev/Dhcpcd/W-S tripping over one another). Finally, I removed it from the default runlevel & started it after boot + login via 'rc-service ... start'. There's a 15 sec delay, then 'ip a' shows carrier + IP numbers (it doesn't change the name from 'wlan0', but that doesn't matter). I've aliased the start command as 'wifi' in /root/.bashrc , which allows an easy start-up after every reboot (I insist on long-standing UNIX procedure & do all system management in a root console). The w-p conf file I'm using is as simple as cb , showing only SSID PSK priority . This is a desktop system in the basement of a downtown house : the Wifi server is upstairs over my head. FYI for anyone else who finds her/himself stuck in this way. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] using Wifi in a new machine
230602 Michael wrote:
> On Friday, 2 June 2023 07:16:41 BST Philip Webb wrote:
>> #wpa_supplicant.conf 230601
>>
>> network={
>> ssid=""
>> bssid=AA:BB:CC:DD:EE:FF
>> proto=RSN
>> key_mgmt=WPA-PSK
>> pairwise=CCMP
>> auth_alg=OPEN
>> group=CCMP
>> psk=""
>> ieee80211w=2
>> priority=5
>> }
>
> Have a look at your
> /usr/share/doc/wpa_supplicant-2.10-r1/wpa_supplicant.conf.bz2
Thanx : I tend to look at 'man' & forget the dox in /usr/share .
I've copied it all into this regular machine & will look thro' it ;
there's an awful lot of info, but some tiny note mb the solution (grin).
> If you define ieee80211w=2 for obligatory 'management frame protection',
> I understand you'll need :
> key_mgmt=WPA-PSK WPA-PSK-SHA256 (for WPA2)
> or
> key_mgmt=SAE (Simultaneous Authentication of Equals for WPA3 only)
I tried both, but no change.
> Meanwhile, PSK stands for "Pre-Shared Key".
> This is meant to be either 64 hex-digits (32 bytes)
> or an ASCII passphrase which will be used to generate the PSK with the SSID,
> when the configuration file is processed by wpa_supplicant .
> Typically a passphrase is used with domestic WiFi routers.
This Wifi belongs to my landlord & is just over my head in the house.
IIRC it runs on Ubuntu (he uses Mac for his home-office).
He's amiable, but no tech specialist (he distributes movies for a living).
> Either way, look at 'man wpa_passphrase' if you ever want to generate a key.
The password looks like 'M343477M' (all different characters).
It works with SR + Mint.
Today's investigations :
(1) I copied the BT- firmware ( 2 files) from SR
into /lib/firmware/mediatek on the new machine : no change.
'dmesg | grsp firmware' gives
Spectre V2 : Enabling Restricted Speculation for firmware calls.
Loading firmware : regulatory.db
Loading firmware : regulatory.db.p7s
mediatek /WIFI_MT7961_patch_mcu_1_2_hdr.bin
mediatek /WIFI_RAM_CODE_MT7961_1.bin [repeated once]
At the end of dmesg it says :
mt7921e : renamed from wlan0
(2) w_s dox : one suggested conf file has simply :
network {
ssid="simple"
psk=""
priority=5
}
This makes no difference.
(3) You didn't comment on the failure of w-s to start in default runlevel.
The final lines before login are :
INIT : Entering runlevel : 3
Waiting for uevents to be processed ...
[RED] Could not find a wireless interface
[RED] ERROR : wpa_supplicant failed to start
starting DHCP client Daemon
Mounting network filesystems
Starting local
The first red msg is from the w-s script in /etc/init.d .
I wonder whether w-s sb trying to start before the DHCP deamon ?
It has no difficulty starting via 'rc-service' after login.
Unfortunately, I can't explore how SF + Mint handle this,
as they both use Systemd, not Openrc, which I am using.
I'll look thro' the /usr/share dox as carefully as I can.
Your comment on my final query wb very welcome
or any other thoughts you might have.
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Re: [gentoo-user] using Wifi in a new machine : progress
230601 Lee K wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 01, 2023 at 11:09:50PM -0400, Philip Webb wrote:
>> What is still not good is that that interface has "NO-CARRIER".
>> Also, 'rc-status' after a reboot shows wpa_supplicant as STOPPED.
>>
>> 'rc-service -v wpa_supplicant start' gets it STARTED,
>> but 'ip a' still shows "NO-CARRIER".
>> I tried 'ip link set wlp5s0 carrier on',
>> but was told "operation not supported".
>>
>> w_s seems to be finding its conf file
>> at /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf ,
>> but 'wpa_cli' continues to say "can't link to wpa_supplicant".
>>
>> I have checked the service name + password are correct in the conf file.
> Can you post the contents of wpa_supplicant.conf..?
#wpa_supplicant.conf 230601
network={
ssid=""
bssid=AA:BB:CC:DD:EE:FF
proto=RSN
key_mgmt=WPA-PSK
pairwise=CCMP
auth_alg=OPEN
group=CCMP
psk=""
ieee80211w=2
priority=5
}
I have put wpa_supplicant in the default services started at boot.
There was also a suggestion to create a symlink net.wlp5s0
pointing to net.lo both in /etc/init.d ; it's not there now.
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Re: [gentoo-user] using Wifi in a new machine : progress
230601 Lee K wrote: > On Thu, Jun 01, 2023 at 11:09:50PM -0400, Philip Webb wrote: > > Thanks for all the help so far. > > > > I've solved the firmware problem. > > The needed files weren't in the latest stable version of linux-firmware > > nor in the masked version (after much hassle unmasking it), > > but they are in both System Rescue + Mint /lib/firmware/mediatek . > > They are versions 7922 and 7961 with corresponding RAM_CODE files. > > > > I copied them into the new machine in the same-named dir, 'unxz' them > > & after reboot 'dmesg' announced that it had loaded 7961 > > & 'ip a' showed a 4th interface 'wlp5s0'. So far, so good. > > > > What is still not good is that that interface has "NO-CARRIER". > > Also, 'rc-status' after a reboot shows wpa_supplicant as STOPPED. > > > > 'rc-service -v wpa_supplicant start' gets it STARTED, > > but 'ip a' still shows "NO-CARRIER". > > I tried 'ip link set wlp5s0 carrier on', > > but was told "operation not supported". > > > > w_s seems to be finding its conf file > > at /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf , > > but 'wpa_cli' continues to say "can't link to wpa_supplicant". > > > > I have checked the service name + password are correct in the conf file. > > > > It's approaching supper time & I've run out of ideas for today anyway. > > > > Any further advice is most welcome (smile). > > > > -- > > ,, > > SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb > > ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto > > TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca > > > > > > I don't know if you've already done so, but if not, can you post the > contents of wpa_supplicant.conf..? > > -- > Lee -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] using Wifi in a new machine : progress
Thanks for all the help so far. I've solved the firmware problem. The needed files weren't in the latest stable version of linux-firmware nor in the masked version (after much hassle unmasking it), but they are in both System Rescue + Mint /lib/firmware/mediatek . They are versions 7922 and 7961 with corresponding RAM_CODE files. I copied them into the new machine in the same-named dir, 'unxz' them & after reboot 'dmesg' announced that it had loaded 7961 & 'ip a' showed a 4th interface 'wlp5s0'. So far, so good. What is still not good is that that interface has "NO-CARRIER". Also, 'rc-status' after a reboot shows wpa_supplicant as STOPPED. 'rc-service -v wpa_supplicant start' gets it STARTED, but 'ip a' still shows "NO-CARRIER". I tried 'ip link set wlp5s0 carrier on', but was told "operation not supported". w_s seems to be finding its conf file at /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf , but 'wpa_cli' continues to say "can't link to wpa_supplicant". I have checked the service name + password are correct in the conf file. It's approaching supper time & I've run out of ideas for today anyway. Any further advice is most welcome (smile). -- ,,==== SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] using Wifi in a new machine
230531 Michael wrote: > It seems you have the correct module for the mediatek driver installed, > since lshw on gentoo shows it being used. What is not shown is the firmware. > Now, to bottom out the firmware issue. > You need to specify the firmware path in your kernel, as explained here. > By default this would be under /lib/firmware/ : > https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Linux_firmware /lib/firmware/ is the dir with firmware files. > Hopefully, the requisite firmware file blobs will be present > in the latest stable 'sys-kernel/linux-firmware' package, > once you install it. It is already installed (230404) , presumably as part of Stage 3. That date shouldn't be too old. > dmesg will reveal if these are/not being loaded. 'dmesg | grep firmware' shows 10 identical lines : Loading firmware : mediatek/WIFI_MT7921_patch_mcu_1_2_hdr.bin : failed with error-2 . > you could keyword the trunk version hoping it contains what you need: > >** *l^bstd [compress-xz compress-zstd initramfs > +redistributable savedconfig unknown-license] ["initramfs? ( redistributable > ) > ?? ( compress-xz compress-zstd )"] I don't understand these lines (smile). > Or, you could compare what firmware files are loaded in Mint/SR ISOs > and copy these over to your Gentoo system for now SR shows no record of loading via 'dmesg' ; Mint ends with a lot of Bluetooth + mt7921e references. Mint mentions a firmware " 01 " ( 4 underlines ). > or you could fish around the Mediatek website for approp firmware files. no sign of firmware files. > Finally, set up a symlink from '/etc.init.d/net.wlp5s0' > to '/etc/init.d/net.lo' or whatever your card is detected, if not wlp5s0. i've created that link, but how is it supposed to help ? > https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:AMD64/Networking/Introduction > and bring up your wireless network service: > 'rc-service -v net.wlp5s0 start' it gives "ERROR : fails to start". > Besides wpa_supplicant, other packages required like 'net-misc/netifrc', > 'net-misc/dhcpcd' should be installed, > if they have not been brought in as dependencies already. I've installed 'netifrc' ; 'dhcpcd' was installed long ago. > Please post back your dmesg and any terminal output, > if you are still having problems bringing up this wireless interface. > PS. This page which may or may not be still relevant > with the latest stable kernels, but you may want to take a look either way: > https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/User:Chess/MT7921e So no progress today. I can try copying the firmware files from SR/Mint -- everything under /lib/firmware/ in SR/Mint & see if it helps. Your final note was a link to someone's pains using mt7921e, which he sad in the end was defective software. Further advice is still very welcome (smile). -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] using Wifi in a new machine
230531 Mark Dymek wrote: > are you installing Gentoo or is this on a running system ? > because the minimal installer only uses wpa_supplicant . > i couldn’t get wi-fi to work when i was installing Gentoo. > once i had everything installed though it worked. That's interesting, but it doesn't take me much further (smile). Yes, this is in the early stage of installing in a new machine. Wifi works easily with System Rescue + Mint (running from USB stick). The minimal installer -- presumably you mean Stage 3 -- didn't include 'wpa_supplicant' & I emerged it later. Your experience suggests there mb some pkg missing, which I need. Do you -- or anyone else -- have any idea what it might be ? Perhaps there's still some firmware missing, but I'm having difficulty identifying what it could be or where I would find it. Any more substantial advice is very welcome. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] using Wifi in a new machine
230531 Jack wrote: > On 5/31/23 12:30, Philip Webb wrote: >> Also, under "configuration:", Mint says "broadcast=yes, driver=nt7921e, > Is there a typo? Above says driver nt7921e (first letter N) >> driver_version=5.15.0-generic, firmware=__91-20220209 150915, >> latency=0, multicast=yes, wireless=IEEE 802.11", >> whereas Gentoo says only "driver=mt7921e, latency=0". > Driver here is mt7921e (first letter M). > If it's not a copy/paste error, is it wrong in some config file ? sorry, it's been a long day. yes, it's a typo : the driver is 'mt7921e'. -- ,,======== SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] using Wifi in a new machine
Thanks to Michael for his helpful advice. I've narrowed the problem down somewhat, but Wifi still doesn't work on Gentoo, tho' it does on Mint + SR. The difference seems to be that when I enter 'lshw -class network' in Mint, I get "network | description : Wireless interface ... ", but in Gentoo it says "network | description : Network controller ... ". Also, under "configuration:", Mint says "broadcast=yes, driver=nt7921e, driver_version=5.15.0-generic, firmware=__91-20220209 150915, latency=0, multicast=yes, wireless=IEEE 802.11", whereas Gentoo says only "driver=mt7921e, latency=0". 'lsmod' gives the same result on both systems, incl firmware. It looks as if modules + firmware are all installed, but for some reason Gentoo isn't recognising the device as Wifi. What might be missing ? BTW there appears to be a pkg 'rfkill' : on Mint 'rfkill' reports "Bluetooth hci0 | wlan phy0", both unblocked. Any further advice wb most welcome (smile). -- ,,==== SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] using Wifi in a new machine
230511 Michael wrote:
> On Wed, 10 May 2023 21:42:16 -0400, Philip Webb wrote:
>> Can anyone explain how I can get Wifi working
>> at this early point in the installation process ?
> 1. Check if the appropriate firmware is available,
> otherwise fetch it from here and untar it in /lib/firmware:
> https://www.intel.co.uk/content/www/uk/en/support/articles/05511/wireless.html
> I think you'll need "iwlwifi-cc-46.3cfab8da.0.tgz" ?
My Mobo manual (Gigabyte X570S Aero G) says :
"Wireless Module : Intel Wifi 6 AX200 ; AMD Wifi 6E RZ608 (MT7921K)".
The Intel firmware site says the firmware you name above is correct for it.
(I don't understand why they give separate specs for Intel/AMD :
my CPU is AMD)
> 2. Load the appropriate kernel module for your hardware.
I've compiled several modules for the kernel : which do you mean ?
> 3. Configure /etc/conf.d/net with some appropriate settings; e.g.
> modules="wpa_supplicant"
> wpa_supplicant_wlan0="-Dnl80211"
> mac_wlan0="A1:B2:C3:D4:E5:F6"
> config_wlan0="dhcp"
'net' didn't exist in /etc/conf.d , so i created it with your content.
> Substitute wlan0 with whatever your wireless NIC is identified as
> in 'ip link show'.
'ip a' + 'ip link show' both list 3 interfaces :
(1) lo ; (2) enp6so (my landline) ; (3) sit0@NONE mtu1480 ... .
With SR + Mint, the interface is shown as 'wlp5s0' (see below),
which I've written in 'net' in place of 'wlan0' (3 times),
eg 'config_wlp5s0="dhcp"'.
(The landline interface works correctly)
> 4. Configure /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf
> with suitable authentication credentials for your AP :
>
> network={
> ssid="My_AP"
> bssid=AA:BB:CC:DD:EE:FF
> proto=RSN
> key_mgmt=WPA-PSK (for WPA3, try key_mgmt=WPA-PSK-SHA256)
> pairwise=CCMP
> auth_alg=OPEN
> group=CCMP
> psk="Very_Secret_Shared_Key"
> ieee80211w=2 (1 is for PMF 'enabled', or 2 for 'required')
> priority=5
> }
I've done that.
> 5. Then start the wpa_supplicant service :
> 'rc-service -v wpa_supplicant start'.
I've added it to start-up services with 'rc-update add wpa_supplicant',
then rebooted & it shows up as "started". 'dhcpcd' also starts at boot.
When I boot, the messages say 2 relevant things :
"Caching service dependencies ...
Successfully initialised wpa_supplicant ... "
"INIT : Entering Runlevel 3
could not find wireless interface
ERROR : wpa_supplicant failed to start
Starting DHCP client Daemon ... [ok] "
The problem isn't in the new machine's hardware :
System Rescue + Mint both offer to start Wifi & succeed ;
'ip a' for both shows an extra line for "wlp5s0",
which appears to be the wireless interface the new Gentoo can't find ;
it shows 'no carrier' before they start Wifi, which disappears afterwards.
I've looked at their /lib/modules/ /lib/firmware/ /etc dirs,
but don't see anything to help (both use Systemd ; I use Openrc).
So for some reason my embryonic Gentoo system can't find the interface,
a very basic problem.
Tnanks to Michael, whose advice helped upto a point.
Can anyone suggest how I can get Gentoo to find the wireless interface ?
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: raw tty font size
230526 Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2023-05-26, Philip Webb wrote: >> I can now boot into the embryonic Gentoo system in my new machine, >> which presents a raw TTY, whose font is too large, >> ie there are too few lines on the screen. >> Somewhere, there's a setting for changing this, but I can't find it. >> Can anyone point me to the proper place to change the default font size ? > https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Fonts#Console_font Thanks ! -- I missed that section of the extensive docs. I chose 'Lat1-08', which gives 48 lines instead of 24 . -- ,,==== SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
[gentoo-user] raw tty font size
I can now boot into the embryonic Gentoo system in my new machine, which presents a raw TTY, whose font is too large, ie there are too few lines on the screen. Somewhere, there's a setting for changing this, but I can't find it. Can anyone point me to the proper place to change the default font size ? -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] new machine : root partition mounted RO : SOLVED
Thanks to both respondents for their advice. I solved the problem by changing Fstab col 6 for '/' to '1', which forces a boot-time Fsck. Apparently, there was some e-grunge in the file system, which the check cleaned up. After that '/' was mounted RW & I could proceed. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
[gentoo-user] new machine : root partition mounted RO
The new machine I've built is working well in other ways, I've gone thro' the 'change-root' steps, compiled the kernel -- 6.1.27-gentoo-r1 -- , configured Lilo -- which has never let me down in 20 years -- , created Fstab & rebooted. No problem booting into the new system, except that it insists on mounting the root filesystem 'read-only'. It's only '/' : the other fs's listed in Fstab are mounted RW & I can edit a test file & save it there ; if I try to do that in /etc , which is on the root partition, it refuses to save it. Also, I can't create a user, as it can't alter /etc . Dmesg shows signs of something wrong ; the gist is nvme :03:00.0: platform quirk: setting simple suspend nvme nvme0: pci function :03:00.0 nvme nvme0: Shutdown timeout set to 10 seconds nvme nvme0: 12/0/0 default/read/poll queues nvme0n1: p1 p2 p3 p4 p5 p6 p7 p8 p9 p10 EXT4-fs (nvme0n1p2): orphan cleanup on readonly fs EXT4-fs (nvme0n1p2): mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Quota mode: none. VFS: Mounted root (ext4 filesystem) readonly on device 259:2. Adding 32767996k swap on /dev/nvme0n1p3. Priority:-2 extents:1 across:32767996k SS EXT4-fs (nvme0n1p7): mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Quota mode: none. EXT4-fs (nvme0n1p8): mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Quota mode: none. EXT4-fs (nvme0n1p9): mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Quota mode: none. EXT4-fs (nvme0n1p10): mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Quota mode: none. Those are the only mentions of a 'nvme' device (an M2 SSD). As above, I've tested nvme0n1p10 & it's mounted RW. I've tried 'fsck /dev/nvme0n1p2' & Gparted "check" (via System Rescue) ; both report no problem very quickly : fsck : "clean, nn/nn files, nn/nn blocks". Gparted : "completed : calibrate ; check for errors + fix them ; grow fs to fill system". lilo.conf explicitly says 'read-write' twice, incl globally. Could it be some kernel option ? 'grep' shows no 'read_only' or similar. Can anyone offer advice ? -- please read my desciption above carefully. -- ,,======== SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: problem compiling Kernel 6.1.27-gentoo-r1 : SOLVED
230520 Michael wrote: > On Saturday, 20 May 2023 10:54:21 BST Nuno Silva wrote: >> On 2023-05-20, Michael wrote: >>> On Saturday, 20 May 2023 07:59:59 BST Philip Webb wrote: >>>> I'm trying to install Gentoo in my new machine >>>> & have got to the step of compiling a kernel. >>>> I used the config file from my present machine, did 'make oldconfig' >>>> & have then done 'make menuconfig' to include drivers etc. >>>> >>>> The 'make' stage goes on for a long time, then crashes doing >>>> 'UPD drivers/base/firmware_loader/builtin/rtl_nic/rtl8168g-2.fw.gen.S' >>>> with message "make [5] *** No rule to make target >>>> 'lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168g-2.fw' needed by >>>> 'drivers/base/firmware_loader/ builtin/rtl_nic/rtl8168g-2.fw.gen.o' >>>> Stop". >>>> >>>> The relevant line in Menuconfig is 'DeviceDrivers > NetworkDeviceSupport >>>> > >>>> EthernetDriverSupport' under 'Realtek devices'. >>>> I've tried it with 'Realtek8169/8168/...' 'Y' or 'M' or 'N' >>>> & also with 'Realtek devices' as 'N'. I also tried a 'make clean'. >>>> The same error goes on happening. >>>> >>>> Since I don't have anything by Realtek for networking >>>> -- sound uses Realtek -- , I can't understand the behaviour above. >>> The compilation complains it is missing the firmware required by a realtek >>> NIC, probably a setting inherited from the config settings of the old >>> kernel? You eventually compiled it with "N". I suspect the order in >>> which you configured/compiled it plays a role in this error. >>> Since you do not have this hardware, set it to "N", then run: >> Could this be the manually defined list of firmware blobs to include in >> the kernel image, and not something automatically pulled in by a driver? >> I'm not sure what's the quickest way to check, perhaps this works?: >> grep CONFIG_EXTRA_FIRMWARE /usr/src/linux/.config > This will not resolve the problem of a missing firmware file. > It is missing in the filesystem. The problem was 'make oldconfig', which used a 5 year-old .config . For some reason, the resulting .config insisted on installing the Realtek driver, which wasn't available. I cut the Gordian knot by moving the other .config's out of the way & doing a raw 'make menuconfig'. Then the kernel compiled. If it needs further tweaking, esp for missing drivers, I can do it later. It's too late to do further steps today, so we'll see what happens when I try booting from the new kernel. Thanks for the various pieces of help. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
[gentoo-user] problem compiling Kernel 6.1.27-gentoo-r1
I'm trying to install Gentoo in my new machine & have got to the step of compiling a kernel. I used the config file from my present machine, did 'make oldconfig' & have then done 'make menuconfig' to include drivers etc. The 'make' stage goes on for a long time, then crashes doing 'UPD drivers/base/firmware_loader/builtin/rtl_nic/rtl8168g-2.fw.gen.S' with message "make [5] *** No rule to make target 'lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168g-2.fw' needed by 'drivers/base/firmware_loader/ builtin/rtl_nic/rtl8168g-2.fw.gen.o' Stop". The relevant line in Menuconfig is 'DeviceDrivers > NetworkDeviceSupport > EthernetDriverSupport' under 'Realtek devices'. I've tried it with 'Realtek8169/8168/...' 'Y' or 'M' or 'N' & also with 'Realtek devices' as 'N'. I also tried a 'make clean'. The same error goes on happening. Since I don't have anything by Realtek for networking -- sound uses Realtek -- , I can't understand the behaviour above. Can anyone offer any advice ? -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] using Wifi in a new machine
230511 Michael wrote: > On Thursday, 11 May 2023 15:01:51 BST Philip Webb wrote: >> There is another related question : is there a way >> to make both connections simultaneously & switch between them ? > If you configure them both in /etc/conf.d/net with different priorities, both > will come up and obtain routes and IP addresses. Use a different metric for > each to specify which NIC will take priority in your network stack, e.g.: > > metric_enp2s0=20 > metric_wlp4s0=30 > > In the above example the wireless is acting as a fallback when the wired > enp2s0 fails. Using arpwatch or ip-monitor can automate the fallback by > monitoring a particular IP address/route, but to manually switch between them > I think you'll have to shut down the one you don't want. > > Using iproute's 'metric' option to change priorities will also work. > However, > I think established connections will continue to use the previous NIC and > route. > > There may be more sophisticated ways to achieve what you want, other > contributors may have better ideas. Thanks : I'll save this among my notes. Any further advice in this area is very welcome. -- ,,==== SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] using Wifi in a new machine
Thanks for both replies. 5 min after I sent my request last night, I realised that I sb able to access Wifi thro'out installation simply via the System Rescue connection, which finds the service easily & needs only the password to finish the job. I do have a landline via DHCP, but Wifi here is 6 times faster & there sb a lot of downloading to do. I will add the details to my info files. There is another related question : is there a way to make both connections simultaneously & switch between them ? -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
[gentoo-user] using Wifi in a new machine
Thanks again for the advice recently + earlier re my new machine (ANB6). I've got the hardware working properly with Mageia (installed on HDD). I've partitioned the drives ( NVMe M2 SSD + HDD ). I've copied Stage 3 to the appropriate partition on the SSD. I'm following the notes I made when I built the present machine (ANB5) 2015. I'm going to have to have the I/net connected as I install stuff. For that I have a choice of landline via 'dhcpcd' or Wifi, which is available via System Rescue (10.00) & which is faster here. Can anyone explain how I can get Wifi working at this early point in the installation process ? -- it's present on the Mobo, which is a Gigabyte X570S AERO G . -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] file system for new machine
230428 Peter Humphrey wrote: > On Thursday, 27 April 2023 13:23:01 BST Philip Webb wrote: >> I've built & tested the new machine I was planning in 2022 >> & am at the point of designing the partitions. >> For many years, I've used Reiserfs, but it is now obsolescent, >> so I need to choose an alternative. Reiserfs seemed appropriate >> for a system with a large number of small files. >> Ext4 seems to be used by well-known binary distros. >> What would others recommend ? > It depends: is this a UEFI machine? No, it isn't. I await your recommendation with bated breath (smile). Thanks to everyone else who has replied. -- ,,==== SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
[gentoo-user] file system for new machine
I've built & tested the new machine I was planning in 2022 & am at the point of designing the partitions. For many years, I've used Reiserfs, but it is now obsolescent, so I need to choose an alternative. Reiserfs seemed appropriate for a system with a large number of small files. Ext4 seems to be used by well-known binary distros. What would others recommend ? -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] Looking for simple GUI MUA that works with ssmtp
221226 Walter Dnes wrote: > Mutt has served me well over the years, Me too, since c 1998. > but thanks to *BRAINDEAD CORPORATE IDIOTS* > I need a GUI client to parse 100 K of HTML that replaces 1 page of text. > These aren't just plain spammers, but businesses that I deal with regularly. > It seems that plaintext email is going the way of cursive writing. > Any suggestions for an MUA that can spit out rmail to port 25 ? I use Most to browse e-mails & Gvim to edit replies. If there's a link to goto an HTML version, I R-click on the URL & choose to open it in Firefox. If there's no link, but it's presented as HTML, I copy-paste the URL to Firefox & open it similarly. Mutt is so good, I'm willing to take this slight detour rather than wade thro' the mud of a GUI client. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] where is 'mke2fs' ? -- solved
221117 Matt Connell wrote: > On Thu, 2022-11-17 at 21:41 +0100, Arve Barsnes wrote: >> Might it be hidden behind USE="tools"? > This is correct. > $ equery uses e2fsprogs > ... > + + tools : Build extfs tools (mke2fs, e2fsck, tune2fs, etc.) > > Make sure you have the 'tools' USE flag enabled for e2fsprogs > and it should be available in /sbin/ Yes : sometime ago the 'tools' flag must have been introduced & since I don't format devices often, it didn't trip me up till now. I've updated my notes. I formatted the stick, copied the files it had before the damage, then discovered that it was in fact physically bad, so 'mke2fs' wasn't needed today. I used another formatted stick instead. Thanx to both + Jack as well. -- ,,==== SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
[gentoo-user] where is 'mke2fs' ?
I need to rewrite the filesystem on a USB stick after it got damaged. My notes tell me to use 'mke2fs', but 'which' doesn't find it : has it been replaced by something else ? I have 'e2fsprogs' installed, but there's no 'man' file for it & it doesn't seem to create filesystems. There is a utility 'sys-fs/genext2fs', which I emerged & looked at, but it's not clear whether it does the simple job I need. Can anyone advise ? -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] Change History of linux commands
On 10/7/22 8:25 AM, n952162 wrote: > Can anybody tell me how I can look at the official change history > of linux commands ? There's the Wayback Machine, which tries to archive all I/net pages ever. I've never used it, but it should have copies of man pages going back, which would allow you to reconstruct the history of the commands. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] new machine : a lot clearer
220915 Mark Knecht wrote: > I don't think PCIe 4.0 would, in this sort of machine, > have much to do with compile times. > This level of machine has an NVMe flash drive for the system disk. > My machine has 2 x 1 TB NVMe SSDs and no mechanical drives. Thanks lots : that's the crucial advice I was looking for. I've reviewed what's available at local stores again (Downtown is closest) : CPU + Mobo : available 220914 ( D downtown M midtown N NYork S Scarboro d delivery ; o openbox ) : CPU : must incl graphix + cooler AMD : (1) CPAMD00130 : Ryzen 5 : 5600G : $ 187 (350) 6-Core/12-Thread : 7 nm : PCIe 3.0 Socket AM4 : 3.9 GHz , boost 4.4 GHz Radeon Graphics : Wraith Stealth Cooler : 65 W Available 220915 : D 5 M 5 N 10 S 7 d y (2) CPAMD00141 : Ryzen 5 : 4600G : $ 200 6-Core/12-Thread : 7 nm : PCIe ? (sb 3.0) Socket AM4 : 3.7 GHz , boost 4.2 GHz Radeon Graphics : Wraith Stealth Cooler : 65 W Available 220915 : D 1 M - N 1 S - d y (3) CPAMD00131 : Ryzen 7 : 5700G : $ 310 (470) : *** looks best *** 8-Core/16-Thread : 7 nm : PCIe 3.0 Socket AM4 : 3.8 GHz , boost 4.6 GHz Radeon Graphics : Wraith Stealth cooler : 65 W Available 220915 : D 1 M 1 N 1 S 1 d y Intel : lowest price w 8 cores ; doesn't look competitive : 14 nm ; no fan ; $ 110 > AMD 00131 ; installation challenges : Intel pins are on the mobo, so damage easier ; it used to be more of a challenge to fit the fan on the CPU w Intel. (1) CPINT00159 : Intel Core i9-11900K : $ 420 (600) : *** not attractive *** 8-Core/16-Thread : 14 nm : Socket LGA 1200 (Intel 500 + select 400 Series) Unlocked 3.5 GHz , turbo 5.3 GHz : 11th UHD Graphics 750 : 125 W : no cooler ? Available 220919 : D 2 M 1 N - S - d y Mobo: AMD : *** not clear there's much difference *** (1) MBGIG00135 : Gigabyte : X570 AORUS ELITE : $ 220 (300) 12+2 Phase Digital VRM with DrMOS Advanced Thermal Design with Enlarge Heatsink Dual PCIe 4.0 M.2 w Single Thermal Guard Intel GbE LAN w cFosSpeed, Front USB Type-C, RGB Fusion 2.0 Available 220914 : D 3 M 4 N 6 S 3 d y (2) MBGIG00261 : Gigabyte : X570S AORUS ELITE : $ 250 (330) AX AMD X570 DDR4 Wi-Fi 6E : Bluetooth PCIe 4.0 M.2 : USB 3.2 : ATX Available 220914 : D 4 M 2 N 9 S 2 d y (3) MBGIG00260 : Gigabyte : X570S AORUS PRO : $ 280 (390) AX Socket AM4 AMD X570 DDR4 Wi-Fi 6 Bluetooth PCIe 4.0 M.2 : USB 3.2 : ATX Available 220914 : D 2 M 2 N 5 S 1 d y (4) MBGIG00242 : Gigabyte : X570S AERO G : $ 300 (470) AMD X570 : 4 x DDR4 DIMM : 128 GB Intel Wi-Fi 6E PCIe 4.0 : USB Type-C M.2 Available 220914 : D 2 M 1 N 1 S 1 d y -- end of review -- Intel seems to offer inferior product for higher price : comparison only. AMD : I want 8 cores with 16 threads. I want graphics + cooling included with the CPU. PCIe 3.0 is adequate for what I do : with 32 GB memory everything sb compilable there with no need to use the SSD ; ANB5 (my present machine) has DDR3, so ANB6's DDR4 wb faster. Price differences aren't important in themselves among these choices. There is free WiFi where I live, tho' landline mb better for security. Thanks for the advice so far : further comments are very welcome. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
[gentoo-user] new machine : on-going frustration
Back in April 2022, I asked for advice here re parts for a new machine (ANB6) & got some very helpful info (thanks to everyone). Since then, it hasn't worked out very well & I'm still relying on my 7-year-old machine (ANB5). I want an AMD CPU, based on past experience ; I prefer a Gigabyte mobo ditto, but will consider other makes. I would like to have PCIe 4.0 , which is much faster than 3.0 , to improve Gentoo compile times ; I don't do gaming. I would like to avoid a separate graphics card, which are expensive & seem today to be designed for gaming enthusiasts. I want to buy from a physical store, not delivered by an on-line order, in case there's a defect, so that I can easily take it back to the store. Looking at the offerings from Canada Computers, my most convenient store, which I have used for all 5 of my previous home-built machines, my impression is that if you get PCIe 4.0 , you don't get CPU graphics, but have to buy a separate graphics card ; if you have built-in graphics in the CPU, you get only PCIe 3.0. I might be willing to get an Intel CPU, but in their specifications there's no mention of PCIe (3 or 4) : is this an accident or are PCIe's confined to AMD ? Intel seems to be a quite different world from AMD today. Does anyone have any useful advice or suggestions ? -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] (G)vim 9.0.0099 won't start : SOLVED
220820 Philip Webb wrote: > Today, I updated to the latest stable Vim 9.0.0099 + GVim same > & it refused to open. No problem back with 8.2.4586. After some sleep & investigation, I found the problem, which is with Gvim. The gtk+ gtk+2 USE flags have been dropped for Gvim-9 , which now defaults to the Motif GUI, which won't start from CLI : "E25: GUI cannot be used: Not enabled at compile time". This cb avoided by using USE="-motif" , which defaults to using Gtk:3 , & Gvim starts from CLI as it should. Gentoo Bug 831250 covers removing the gtk USE flags. I have added a comment as above & we'll see what the devs decide to do. -- ,,======== SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
[gentoo-user] (G)vim 9.0.0099 won't start
Today, I updated to the latest stable Vim 9.0.0099 + GVim same & it refused to open. No problem back with 8.2.4586. Has anyone else encountered this ? Does anyone have a suggestion ? -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] Is it possible to make Gentoo LiveGUI ISO image GUI environment look like Windows 10/11?
220805 Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote: > On Fri, 5 Aug 2022 at 15:40, Neil Bothwick wrote: >> On Fri, 5 Aug 2022 15:30:37 +0800, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote: >>> I believe many people will find Linux easy to use (user friendly) >>> if the GUI environment looks like Windows 10/11. >> The problem with that is Gentoo is not supposed to be easy to use, >> it is a "power user"'s distro. >> Sucking someone in with the guise of being like Windows >> is only likely to put them off Linux once they read page 1 >> of the installation instructions. >> There are distros that aim to be easy to use for Windows users, >> Gentoo is not one of them. > Noted with thanks. Mint Linux with its Cinnamon desktop is probably what you want. Gentoo is typically for people who build their own machines & want to choose their own selection of software to install in them. -- ====,,==== SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] new machine : revised parts for comment
Thanx again for comments from Frank + others. Here is a revised list of parts. The probable list uses PCIe 4.0 , the alternative 3.0. The former requires a graphix card, which adds $ 300 to the total cost (all prices in CAD). Probable : CPU : AMD : CPAMD00136 : Ryzen 7 : 5700X : 8-Core/16-Thread : $ 379 7 nm ZEN 3 Processor : Socket AM4, 4.6 GHz boost, 36 MB Cache no graphix : PCIe 4.0 Mobo : MBGIG00145 : Gigabyte : X570 Aorus elite WIFI : $ 220 dual PCIe 4.0 M.2 : Intel dual-band 802.11ac wireless front USB Type C : RGB Fusion 2.0 Graphix : VCMSI00255 : MSI : Radeon RX 6500 XT MECH 4G OC : $ 309 18 Gbps , PCIE 4.0 , DP1.4 HDMI , RX 6500 XT Mech 2X 4G OC or VCASU00335 : ASUS : Radeon RX 6500 XT OC : $ 299 PCIe 4.0, 4 GB GDDR6, HDMI 2.1, DisplayPort 1.4a, Dual Ball Fan Bearings, All-aluminum Shroud, GPU Tweak II Memory : MEKIT00523 : Kingston Fury Beast : 2 x 16 GB : DDR4 3200 MHz : $ 160 SSD : SSKIT00120 : Kingston KC3000 : 1 TB : PCIe Gen4 : NVMe M.2 R 7000 MB/s ; W 6000 MB/s : $ 190 HDD : HDSEA00016 : Seagate IronWolf : 4 TB : CMR : SATA 6 Gb/s : 5900 RPM : 64 MB Cache : 3 Yr Warranty : $ 110 Case : CSDCL00015 : Deepcool D-Shield V2 ATX : Compact Mid Tower Case : $ 60 CSDCL00019 : Deepcool E-Shield : Mid Tower Chassis, Black, Tempered Glass, 120mm Fan, Radiator Support, E-ATX/ATX/MicroATX/MiniITX : $ 60 Power : PSTHL7 : Thermaltake Smart White : 700 W 80 PLUS Certified Power Supply : $ 80 Total cost : $ 1508 Alternative : CPU : CPAMD00131 : Ryzen 7 : 5700G : 8-core 16-thread : $ 388 Socket AM4 : 3,8 / 4,6 GHz : PCIe 3.0 ; Radeon Graphix Wreath Stealth No graphix card SSD : SSKIT00103 : Kingston : NV1 : 2 TB : NVMe M.2 : $ 185 Read: 2100 MB/s ; Write: 1700 MB/s Total cost : $ 1203 Comment : I can afford the extra $ 300 for the much greater speed of PCI 4. There are 2 possible graphix cards, others being more costly : any comments welcome ; I'm willing to consider Intel instead. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
[gentoo-user] new machine : probable parts for comment
Thanks for the detailed advice, esp Frank + Dale + also Wols + Perkins. These are my proposed parts for ANB6, wh I will buy from Canada Computers ; prices are in CAD, of course ; a few further comments from me below : CPU : AMD : CPAMD00131 : Ryzen 7 : 5700G : 8-core 16-thread : $ 388 Socket AM4 : 3,8 / 4,6 GHz : Radeon Graphix Wreath Stealth Mobo : MBGIG00145 : Gigabyte : X570 Aorus elite WIFI : $ 220 dual PCIe 4.0 M.2 : Intel dual-band 802.11ac wireless front USB Type C : RGB Fusion 2.0 Memory : MEKIT00523 : Kingston Fury Beast : 2 x 16 GB : DDR4 3200 MHz : $ 160 SSD : SSKIT00120 : Kingston KC3000 : 1 TB : PCIe Gen4 : NVMe M.2 R 7000 MB/s ; W 6000 MB/s : $ 190 HDD : HDSEA00016 : Seagate IronWolf : 4 TB : CMR : SATA 6 Gb/s : 5900 RPM : 64 MB Cache : 3 Yr Warranty : $ 110 Case : CSDCL00015 : Deepcool D-Shield V2 ATX : Compact Mid Tower Case : $ 60 CSDCL00019 : Deepcool E-Shield : Mid Tower Chassis, Black, Tempered Glass, 120mm Fan, Radiator Support, E-ATX/ATX/MicroATX/MiniITX : $ 60 Power : PSTHL7 : Thermaltake Smart White : 700 W 80 PLUS Certified Power Supply : $ 80 [[ total $ 1268 ]] Comments : the machine is intended to last 7 years , so I'm going for more power + speed than I'm likely to use today ; of course, I don't want to waste CAD, but will pay more for better value ; I don't do gaming, but I do need a powerful machine for Gentoo compiling. CPU : based on Frank's recommendation ; I prefer AMD. Mobo : Canada Computers say this is often bought with the CPU ; my present machine (ANB5) has a Gigabyte mobo, as has its predecessor ; it says it can support PCIe 4.0, which matches the SSD ; I'ld like to have WIFI available, tho' I may carry on with landline. Memory : the mobo will accept 32 GB sticks, but I don't need them ; I've had good experiences with Kingston. SSD : PCIe 4 is much faster than PCI 3 ; 1 TB is enough. HDD : I heard the warnings & this is CMR ; I also heard Frank's advice re spin-speed : this is lower. Case : I'm inclined to get '19', but wonder if there's a serious diffence between 'ATX' vs 'ATXe' : any advice wb welcome. Power : the summary says "700 W", but the specs say "500 W" : the price is a bit more than others which are 500 W & I can ask in the store, so I'm willing to assume "500" is a typo. Any further advice wb very welcome (smile to everyone). -- ,,==== SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] planning a new machine : comments welcome
Thanks for all the replies so far : they have been carefully saved. Clearly, I need to look up component specs on the I/net & try to get upto-date with 2020s tech after 6,5 yr absence. I don't do gaming : SGT puzzles are enough for me. I use the HDD strictly for back-up + storage of infrequently used data + a Mint partition which allows me to use my scanner (another story). I would like to listen to some classical music -- eg the Canadian pianist who won the Warsaw Chopin prize recently -- , but have no desire to hear how politicians sound off. I don't want to have to rely entirely on an SSD which might fail suddenly : today, I sb able to restore the Gentoo system + Home files from HDD, if I had to buy a replacement SSD. ANB5 doesn't usually annoy me with noise. Any further comments are very welcome. I will report back when I've had time to review the info so far. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
[gentoo-user] planning a new machine : comments welcome
it standard on Mobos these days ? ] Wifi : sb std on mobo [ Sound : I've never installed sound on my computers, but it wb nice. Do all Mobos have a sound chip today ? -- I'm an utter novice here ] Sound : sb available fr mobo, card is opt'l extra [ DVD drive : I don't believe I need this anymore ] DVD ? [ These are the specs for the present machine, built Oct 2015 ] ANB5 150914 CPU : AMD X8 FX8370E 8-core 4,3 GHz 16 MB 32 nm 95 W : 259.00 Direct replacement : 3 yr : 38.85 150926 Mobo : ASUS M5A97 LE AMD 970/SB8950 DDR3 1866 GHz : 104.99 150914 Memory : Kingston HyperX Fury 8 GB DDR3 1866 MHz CL10 : 68.99 150914 Graphix : Asus GT610 810 MHz clock 1200 MHz memory: 74.99 150914 SSD : Kingston SSDNow V300 240 GB SATA RW 450 MB/s: 109.99 150914 HDD : Seagate Desktop SATA3 1 TB 64 MB 6 GB/s : 57.99 Ont recycle fee :0.75 150914 DVD : Samsung SH-224FB 24x SATA 1.5 MB: 21.99 Ont recycle fee :0.75 150917 Case : Deepcool Terraract BF : 39.99 150917 PSU : Thermaltake TR2 500 W : 59.99 ANB4 ANB5 have Gigabyte mobo (ANB5 had Asus, wh had 2 defects) ; ANB1-3 had Asus mobo (ANB2 orig'ly had Soyo) [ 'ANB' = 'Aristotle's new body' : Aristotle was my original XT in 1989 & when I built my 1st machine in 2000, it was his 1st new body, since when he's been my computer spirit (smile). I'm a Classicist by training & wrote my PhD thesis on the philosopher. I have a mathematical side too ] -- ,,==== SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] ssh problem
211226 Michael wrote: > On Sun, 26 Dec 2021 11:42:41 -0500, Philip Webb wrote: >> I want to login to a remote site using 'ssh'. >> The response I get is "Unable to negotiate with port >> : no matching host key type found. Their offer: ssh-rsa,ssh-dss". >> Yesterday, I updated 'openssh' : > It sounds like the host may be running an old version of sshd > that only offers ciphers that are now disabled by default in newer releases. > You can get round this by enabling those ciphers for this host, > with something like this in ssh_config : 'HostKeyAlgorithms +ssh-rsa'. Thanks to all the respondents : adding that line makes it work again. I've made a note of the Ssh help site & updated by own nn too. -- ,,==== SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
[gentoo-user] ssh problem
I want to login to a remote site using 'ssh'. The response I get is "Unable to negotiate with port : no matching host key type found. Their offer: ssh-rsa,ssh-dss". Yesterday, I updated 'openssh' : Installed versions: 8.8_p1-r4^t([2021-12-25 06:12:24]) (X ssl -X509 -audit -debug -hpn -kerberos -ldns -libedit -livecd -pam -pie -scp -sctp -security-key -selinux -static -test -xmss ABI_MIPS="-n32" KERNEL="linux") Occasionally, I have had a similar problem trying to do this, but ordinarily it has worked smoothly. Does anyone have helpful suggestions how to get past the blockage ? -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] Any decent alternative to Thunderbird?
24 Wol asked for alternative mail clients : Don't overlook Mutt : simple, easy to configure, powerful. > On 14/11/2021 22:39, Marco Rebhan wrote: >> If you do decide to try out KMail you might want them anyway though, >> they have fixed crashes for me there. > Does kmail run on Windows? Mutt should run on Losedows : I certainly haven't tried. > Although I run KDE, I tend to avoid kde apps like the plague : > after my experience with KDE4 so would you You are very much behind the times ! KDE 5 has long been mature : give it a try. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] screensaver problem
211009 Jack wrote: > On 2021.10.09 01:29, Philip Webb wrote: >> I have Xscreensaver started by .xinit & it runs as it should ; >> each saver is set to run for 3 min . >> When I'm asleep, I kill Xscreensaver >> & the monitor blanks after 5 min , which is also what is expected. >> However, something is telling the monitor to blank after 5 min , >> even when Xscreensaver is running. The 1st saver runs for 3 min , >> then the next one starts & runs for 2 min , then the screen blanks. >> When I hit a key or move the mouse, the screen wakes up >> & if there's no activity for 5 min Xscreensaver takes over >> & the savers run for 5 min before the screen blanks again. >> Instead, the savers should run continually till activity resumes. >> Can anyone suggest what is telling the monitor to blank after 5 min >> regardless of whether Xscreensaver is running or not ? > I don't really have an answer, but try "xset -q" > and look at the results for both Screen Saver and for DPMS. > I don't know how they get set if you don't explicitly set them, > but you may want to do so for more understandable control of your system. root:513 src> xset -q Keyboard Control: auto repeat: onkey click percent: 0LED mask: 0002 XKB indicators: 00: Caps Lock: off01: Num Lock:on 02: Scroll Lock: off 03: Compose: off04: Kana:off05: Sleep: off 06: Suspend: off07: Mute:off08: Misc:off 09: Mail:off10: Charging:off11: Shift Lock: off 12: Group 2: off13: Mouse Keys: off auto repeat delay: 600repeat rate: 25 auto repeating keys: 00ffdbbf fadfffefffed 9fff fff7 bell percent: 50bell pitch: 400bell duration: 100 Pointer Control: acceleration: 20/10threshold: 4 Screen Saver: prefer blanking: noallow exposures: no timeout: 0cycle: 0 Colors: default colormap: 0x20BlackPixel: 0x0WhitePixel: 0xff Font Path: /usr/share/fonts/misc/,/usr/share/fonts/TTF/,/usr/share/fonts/Type1/,/usr/share/fonts/100dpi/,/usr/share/fonts/75dpi/,built-ins DPMS (Energy Star): Standby: 7200Suspend: 7200Off: 14400 DPMS is Disabled -- end of output -- 'man xset' tells you how to use it, ie 'xset ', so that's how you alter items, if you want. does anyone have any further suggestions (thanks for this one) ? -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
[gentoo-user] Re: screensaver problem : PS
Sorry, I should add that my desktop is the latest stable KDE + Qt & Xscreensaver is the latest stable version 6.01-r4 . -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
[gentoo-user] screensaver problem
I have Xscreensaver started by .xinit & it runs as it should ; each saver is set to run for 3 min . When I'm asleep, I kill Xscreensaver & the monitor blanks after 5 min , which is also what is expected. However, something is telling the monitor to blank after 5 min , even when Xscreensaver is running. The 1st saver runs for 3 min , then the next one starts & runs for 2 min , then the screen blanks. When I hit a key or move the mouse, the screen wakes up & if there's no activity for 5 min Xscreensaver takes over & the savers run for 5 min before the screen blanks again. Instead, the savers should run continually till activity resumes. Can anyone suggest what is telling the monitor to blank after 5 min regardless of whether Xscreensaver is running or not ? -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] time to build a new machine ?
210924 Mark Knecht wrote: > On 2021-09-24, at 05:58, Philip Webb wrote: >> While I was asleep yesterday, my machine reported on all 3 Konsoles >> Message from syslogd@ at Thu Sep 23 19:38:11 2021 ... >> : mce: [Hardware Error]: CPU 0: Machine Check: 0 Bank 4: 9d0b4c16001d011b >> Message from syslogd@ at Thu Sep 23 19:38:11 2021 ... >> : mce: [Hardware Error]: TSC 0 ADDR 19e617980 MISC c01a0100 >> Message from syslogd@ at Thu Sep 23 19:38:11 2021 ... >> : mce: [Hardware Error]: PROCESSOR 2:600f20 TIME 1632440315 SOCKET 0 APIC 0 >> microcode 6000822 MK> I have no direct experience with this error, > however I'd suggest it was most likely an error > reading a block of DRAM and not likely the CPU itself failing. > I periodically get mce errors on my i980 machine > when running big PixInsight jobs and I hit thermal limits. I thought you had written "1980 machine" (grin). > I'd suggest you run extensive memory tests > and if you don't see any problems don't worry too much. > It's always wise to do good backups in case the problem gets worse. Everything is backed up, incl off-site. > On Fri, Sep 24, 2021 at 8:23 AM Andrew Udvare wrote: >> man mcelog 'man mcelog' + 'man mce' find nothing. does it need to be installed ? Thanks for the advice so far. -- ====,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] time to build a new machine ?
210924 Andrew Udvare wrote: > On 2021-09-24, at 05:58, Philip Webb wrote: >> While I was asleep yesterday, my machine reported on all 3 Konsoles : >> Message from syslogd@ at Thu Sep 23 19:38:11 2021 ... >> : mce: [Hardware Error]: CPU 0: Machine Check: 0 Bank 4: 9d0b4c16001d011b >> Message from syslogd@ at Thu Sep 23 19:38:11 2021 ... >> : mce: [Hardware Error]: TSC 0 ADDR 19e617980 MISC c01a0100 >> Message from syslogd@ at Thu Sep 23 19:38:11 2021 ... >> : mce: [Hardware Error]: PROCESSOR 2:600f20 TIME 1632440315 SOCKET 0 APIC 0 >> microcode 6000822 >> -- end of report -- > From the manpage: Which man page is that ? > Most errors can be corrected by the CPU > by internal error correction mechanisms. Uncorrected errors cause > machine check exceptions which may kill processes or panic the machine. > A small number of corrected errors is usually not a cause for worry, > but a large number can indicate future failure. So it looks as if the above was a correctable error. > When an uncorrected machine check error happens > that the kernel cannot recover from, then it will usually panic the system. > In this case when there was a warm reset after the panic, > mcelog should pick up the machine check errors after reboot. > This is not possible after a cold reset. No sign of any other effects : everything went on running. > If you are overclocking, try disabling it. No, I never overclock anything (smile). -- ========,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
[gentoo-user] time to build a new machine ?
While I was asleep yesterday, my machine reported on all 3 Konsoles : Message from syslogd@ at Thu Sep 23 19:38:11 2021 ... : mce: [Hardware Error]: CPU 0: Machine Check: 0 Bank 4: 9d0b4c16001d011b Message from syslogd@ at Thu Sep 23 19:38:11 2021 ... : mce: [Hardware Error]: TSC 0 ADDR 19e617980 MISC c01a0100 Message from syslogd@ at Thu Sep 23 19:38:11 2021 ... : mce: [Hardware Error]: PROCESSOR 2:600f20 TIME 1632440315 SOCKET 0 APIC 0 microcode 6000822 -- end of report -- I don't remember seeing this before : how concerned should I be ? The present machine is 6 years old & has always worked very well ; its CPU is an AMD. I plan to build a new machine in the next few months : should I accelerate my plans ? -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE update puzzle : solved
210919 antlists wrote: > On 19/09/2021 08:03, Philip Webb wrote: >> Portage ought to be able to recognise when a set of pkgs >> are creating destructive circular dependencies among themselves >> & resolve the conflict by updating all of them together. > Until you hit my version of the problem, > where if a is not there, b crashes when you try to build it ... > And of course, installing a crashes because b is not there ... So you emerge both together : I've never run into a version of your case where that wasn't the solution. And I don't expect anything like that to happen with a related group of pkgs like Qt or KDE. -- ,,==== SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] faded images with Gwenview : solved
210919 Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Sun, 19 Sep 2021 00:01:51 -0400, Philip Webb wrote: >> The patch is dated 'June 11', so it may take awhile yet to reach Gentoo. > 5.15.2 is already in testing, which explains why I was unable > to reproduce this in the way it hit you, > but there was still one washed out image I saw. I'm using Qt 5.15.2-r3 , which is stable, but -r10 is still testing. Probably, the correct version wb part of 5.15.3 or 5.16.1 or similar. Meanwhile, the advice has to be don't manipulate PNGs using Gwenview : convert them to JPG first. -- ,, SUPPORT _______//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE update puzzle : solved
210918 cal wrote: >> (kde-frameworks/kglobalaccel-5.82.0-r1:5/5.82::gentoo, installed) >> USE="-debug -doc -nls -test" ABI_X86="(64)" pulled in by >> (no parents that aren't satisfied by other packages in this slot) > See in particular the last message. > I'm not sure what causes that message in particular, > but it seems like kglobalaccel is causing the problem > by pulling in a bunch of 5.82.0 deps causing a slot conflict. That is the key, but it doesn't work the way you suggest. I cut the Gordian knot Alexander-fashion : I simply unmerged the 7 objecting pkgs via 'emerge -C ... ', ie attica kactivities kconfig kcoreaddons kcrash kglobalaccel kwindowsystem. after that, I was able to update the whole list of pkgs without a problem. This has to be a bug in Portage, at least in the sense of an unintended + obstructive feature. Portage ought to be able to recognise when a set of pkgs are creating destructive circular dependencies among themselves & resolve the conflict by updating all of them together. This sort of traffic-jam happens regularly & has done so for many years : one case is Qt, which forces the user to unmerge the whole set, then merge the updates as a set too. Perhaps one of our hard-working unpaid devs is listening ... (smile). -- ,,======== SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] faded images with Gwenview : solved
210917 Philip Webb wrote: > It's only when I crop a PNG image in Gwenview > & save it in place (ie with the same name), that the colors are faded > & that's only when viewed with Gwenview, not eg with Feh. > The bad case does look like a Gwenview bug, > & in fact, as I had forgotten (grimace), I did submit a bug previously : > KDE Bug 420357 back in April 2020, to which no-one has yet responded. > I've added a comment & we'll see if there's any response this time. Tibor Nagy of KDE Bugzilla has replied very promptly : My guess this happens due to botched gamma handling. Washed out images are a prime symptom of that kind of bugs. Seems like when a PNG gAMA chunk is present, Gwenview applies the gamma transform in the opposite direction it should, thus the washed out images. Seems to be Qt bug, already fixed in 5.15.x : https://github.com/qt/qtbase/commit/de2c3ccd49cb89e0c6912da3b03705a36ef03946 As you can see from the link above, some coder forgot to invert a value, using 'gamma' when it sb '1/gamma'. The patch is dated 'June 11', so it make take awhile yet to reach Gentoo. Meanwhile, I have 2 workarounds which are in fact improvements for me. I have amended the Imagemagick 'import' command I use for screenshots to produce them as JPGs, which cb safely cropped already via Gwenview. Alternatively, Firefox will make screenshots via R-click on its window & the area to be grabbed cb marked on the screen, so already cropped. >From the beginning, I thought it was a programming bug, as it appeared suddenly after a KDE update in spring 2020. -- ,,==== SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE update puzzle
210918 Jack wrote: > On 18/09/2021 12.10, Philip Webb wrote: >> There is an update available for KDE Frameworks. >> When I try to perform it, I get a conflict statement which begins >> >> !!! Multiple package instances within a single package slot have been >> pulled >> !!! into the dependency graph, resulting in a slot conflict: >> kde-frameworks/kcoreaddons:5 >> >> (kde-frameworks/kcoreaddons-5.85.0:5/5.85::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for >> merge) USE="-debug -doc (-fam) -nls -test" ABI_X86="(64)" pulled in by >> =kde-frameworks/kcoreaddons-5.85*:5 required by >> (kde-frameworks/kglobalaccel-5.85.0-r1:5/5.85::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for >> merge) USE="-debug -doc -nls -test" ABI_X86="(64)" >> ^ ^^^ >> >> The ^ signs emphasise =kde-frameworks/kcoreaddons-5.85*:5 >> >> I can't make sense of this : surely, '5.85*' includes '5.85.0', >> so the requirement sb fulfilled. I don't remember seeing this before. > Have you actually shown the complete output for the conflict for > kcoreaddons? I only see one version listed for the slot. > Is there another one showing perhaps the current installed version > and it being required by something else (also installed) > which cannot work with the newer version? Here is the whole command + output in gruesome detail : root:522 ~> !498 PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET="python3_9" emerge -pv --backtrack=30 attica frameworkintegration kactivities kactivities-stats kcmutils kconfig kcoreaddons kcrash kdesu kdnssd kglobalaccel kholidays khtml kidletime kimageformats knotifyconfig kpeople kross krunner ktexteditor kwayland kwindowsystem qqc2-desktop-style These are the packages that would be merged, in order: Calculating dependencies... done! [ebuild N ] x11-base/xwayland-21.1.2-r2::gentoo USE="-ipv6 -rpc (-selinux) -unwind -xcsecurity" VIDEO_CARDS="-nvidia" 1,230 KiB [ebuild U ] kde-frameworks/extra-cmake-modules-5.85.0:5/5.85::gentoo [5.82.0:5/5.82::gentoo] USE="-doc -test" 311 KiB [ebuild U ] kde-frameworks/kcoreaddons-5.85.0:5/5.85::gentoo [5.82.0:5/5.82::gentoo] USE="-debug -doc (-fam) -nls -test" 418 KiB [ebuild U ] kde-frameworks/kconfig-5.85.0:5/5.85::gentoo [5.82.0:5/5.82::gentoo] USE="dbus -debug -doc -nls -test" 265 KiB [ebuild U ] kde-frameworks/ki18n-5.85.0:5/5.85::gentoo [5.82.0:5/5.82::gentoo] USE="-debug -doc -test" PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET="(-python3_10) -python3_8 python3_9" 577 KiB [ebuild U ] kde-frameworks/kwidgetsaddons-5.85.0:5/5.85::gentoo [5.82.0:5/5.82::gentoo] USE="-debug -designer -doc -nls -test" 2,253 KiB [ebuild U ] kde-frameworks/kwindowsystem-5.85.0:5/5.85::gentoo [5.82.0:5/5.82::gentoo] USE="X -debug -doc -nls -test" 175 KiB [ebuild U ] kde-frameworks/karchive-5.85.0:5/5.85::gentoo [5.82.0:5/5.82::gentoo] USE="-debug -doc -test -zstd" 963 KiB [ebuild U ] kde-frameworks/kdbusaddons-5.85.0:5/5.85::gentoo [5.82.0:5/5.82::gentoo] USE="X -debug -doc -nls -test" 43 KiB [ebuild U ] kde-frameworks/kitemviews-5.85.0:5/5.85::gentoo [5.82.0:5/5.82::gentoo] USE="-debug -designer -doc -nls -test" 74 KiB [ebuild U ] kde-frameworks/kguiaddons-5.85.0:5/5.85::gentoo [5.82.0:5/5.82::gentoo] USE="-debug -doc -test -wayland" 60 KiB [ebuild U ] kde-frameworks/kcodecs-5.85.0:5/5.85::gentoo [5.82.0:5/5.82::gentoo] USE="-debug -doc -nls -test" 227 KiB [ebuild U ] kde-frameworks/kwayland-5.85.0-r1:5/5.85::gentoo [5.82.0:5/5.82::gentoo] USE="-debug -doc -test" 324 KiB [ebuild U ] kde-frameworks/sonnet-5.85.0:5/5.85::gentoo [5.82.0:5/5.82::gentoo] USE="-aspell -debug -designer -doc -hunspell -nls -test" 291 KiB [ebuild U ] kde-frameworks/solid-5.85.0:5/5.85::gentoo [5.82.0:5/5.82::gentoo] USE="-debug -doc -ios -nls -test" 246 KiB [ebuild r U ] kde-frameworks/kidletime-5.85.0:5/5.85::gentoo [5.82.0:5/5.82::gentoo] USE="X -debug -doc -xscreensaver" 26 KiB [ebuild U ] kde-frameworks/attica-5.85.0:5/5.85::gentoo [5.82.0:5/5.82::gentoo] USE="-debug -doc -test" 66 KiB [ebuild N ] kde-plasma/layer-shell-qt-5.22.5:5::gentoo USE="-debug" 18 KiB [ebuild U ] kde-frameworks/syntax-highlighting-5.85.0-r1:5/5.85::gentoo [5.82.0:5/5.82::gentoo] USE="-debug -doc -nls -test" 2,281 KiB [ebuild U ] kde-frameworks/threadweaver-5.85.0:5/5.85::gentoo [5.82.0:5/5.82::gentoo] USE="-debug -doc -test" 1,378 KiB [ebuild U ] kde-frameworks/kdnssd-5.85.0:5/5.85::gentoo [5.82.0:5/5.82::gentoo] USE="-debug -doc -nls -test -zeroconf" 58 KiB [ebuild U ] kde-frameworks/kholidays-5.85.0:5/5.85::gentoo [5.82
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE update puzzle
210918 J.O. Aho wrote: > On 18/09/2021 12.10, Philip Webb wrote: >> There is an update available for KDE Frameworks. >> When I try to perform it, I get a conflict statement which begins >> >>!!! Multiple package instances within a single package slot have been >> pulled >>!!! into the dependency graph, resulting in a slot conflict: >>kde-frameworks/kcoreaddons:5 >> >>(kde-frameworks/kcoreaddons-5.85.0:5/5.85::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for >> merge) USE="-debug -doc (-fam) -nls -test" ABI_X86="(64)" pulled in by >> =kde-frameworks/kcoreaddons-5.85*:5 required by >> (kde-frameworks/kglobalaccel-5.85.0-r1:5/5.85::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for >> merge) USE="-debug -doc -nls -test" ABI_X86="(64)" >> ^ ^^^ >> >> The ^ signs emphasise =kde-frameworks/kcoreaddons-5.85*:5 >> >> I can't make sense of this : surely, '5.85*' includes '5.85.0', >> so the requirement sb fulfilled. I don't remember seeing this before. > You have another package that wants a kde-frameworks/kcoreaddons < 5.85.0, > so you should look for that package. If you have equery installed, > then run 'equery d kde-frameworks/kcoreaddons' : > you will get a list of potential packages. That makes no sense : the pkg cited is Kglobalaccel-5.85.0-r1 , which isn't going to want an earlier version of another KDE pkg. The emphasised value is '=', not '<'. Someone else offered : > Is this the complete message about the conflicts ? No : there's a long list of the same msgs, but for other KDE pkgs. > If there is nothing more, > please try again with the --verbose-conflicts emerge parameter. I already did that. Thanks certainly for trying, but has anyone anything more helpful ? -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
[gentoo-user] KDE update puzzle
There is an update available for KDE Frameworks. When I try to perform it, I get a conflict statement which begins !!! Multiple package instances within a single package slot have been pulled !!! into the dependency graph, resulting in a slot conflict: kde-frameworks/kcoreaddons:5 (kde-frameworks/kcoreaddons-5.85.0:5/5.85::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge) USE="-debug -doc (-fam) -nls -test" ABI_X86="(64)" pulled in by =kde-frameworks/kcoreaddons-5.85*:5 required by (kde-frameworks/kglobalaccel-5.85.0-r1:5/5.85::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge) USE="-debug -doc -nls -test" ABI_X86="(64)" ^ ^^^ The ^ signs emphasise =kde-frameworks/kcoreaddons-5.85*:5 ^ ^^^ I can't make sense of this : surely, '5.85*' includes '5.85.0', so the requirement sb fulfilled. I don't remember seeing this before. -- ,,==== SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] faded images with Gwenview : bug submitted
210914 Philip Webb wrote: > 210913 David Haller wrote: >> Gwenview uses color-management via media-libs/lcms, feh does not. >> See "Rendering intent" and "Color profile" under "Advanced" >> in Gwenview's configure dialog. HTH. > That cb relevant, but I've explored further & have some results. > > When I crop a JPG image with Fotoxx or Gwenview, > then view it with Gwenview, the colors remain vivid ; > this is true whether I rename the new version in Gwenview or not. > > It's only when I crop a PNG image in Gwenview > & save it in place (ie with the same name), that the colors are faded > & that's only when viewed with Gwenview, not eg with Feh. > > So I can avoid the problem either by cropping only with Fotoxx > or by renaming them whenever I do it with Gwenview > or by converting PNGs to JPGs before cropping them. I have reconfirmed this. > The bad case does look like a Gwenview bug, > but KDE bugs tend to disappear into the ocean, if reported. In fact, as I had forgotten (grimace), I did submit a bug previously : KDE Bug 420357 back in April 2020, to which no-one has yet responded. I've added a comment & we'll see if there's any response this time. > Thanks for the comments. I will try redoing the faded versions, > tho' that will mean getting them from the I/net again. I managed to do that & now have images which cb seen via Gwenview. > Any further suggestions re causes of the bad case are welcome. They still are, but it does seem to be a bug. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] faded images with Gwenview
210914 Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Tue, 14 Sep 2021 01:07:42 -0400, Philip Webb wrote: >> So I can avoid the problem either by cropping only with Fotoxx >> or by renaming them whenever I do it with Gwenview >> or by converting PNGs to JPGs before cropping them. > The latter will result in loss of information. Ok if the info is irrelevant or otiose. >> The bad case does look like a Gwenview bug, >> but KDE bugs tend to disappear into the ocean, if reported. > It sounds like the images are fine, just that Gwenview is displaying > with the wrong colour information. The question then becomes > does Gwenview save the colour information in the image file or separately. > If you do have another user set up, > you could try cropping and saving as one user and viewing as the other. > If the second user sees the image as it should be, > it is the latter and you can locate and remove that information. That's all very complex & far more work than I care to spend time on. I believe I've found a solution as above. > It does seems to be a bug, and one that has been around for some years: > https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=66=139430 Yet another eg of KDE's cavalier approach to bugs. Thanks for the insights. > And then Adam said, "What's a headache ? " He should have said : "What's an apple ? " -- ====,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] faded images with Gwenview
210913 David Haller wrote: > Gwenview uses color-management via media-libs/lcms, feh does not. > See "Rendering intent" and "Color profile" under "Advanced" > in Gwenview's configure dialog. HTH. That cb relevant, but I've explored further & have some results. When I crop a JPG image with Fotoxx or Gwenview, then view it with Gwenview, the colors remain vivid ; this is true whether I rename the new version in Gwenview or not. It's only when I crop a PNG image in Gwenview & save it in place (ie with the same name), that the colors are faded & that's only when viewed with Gwenview, not eg with Feh. So I can avoid the problem either by cropping only with Fotoxx or by renaming them whenever I do it with Gwenview or by converting PNGs to JPGs before cropping them. The bad case does look like a Gwenview bug, but KDE bugs tend to disappear into the ocean, if reported. Thanks for the comments. I will try redoing the faded versions, tho' that will mean getting them from the I/net again. Any further suggestions re causes of the bad case are welcome. -- ,,======== SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] faded images with Gwenview
210913 Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Sun, 12 Sep 2021 23:14:11 -0400, Philip Webb wrote: >> I've tried changing all the various settings in Gwenview config >> separately, but nothing changes. > Have you tried logging is as a new user with default Gwenview config? No : why would that be expected to help ? -- ,, SUPPORT _______//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] faded images with Gwenview
210909 Michael wrote: > On Thursday, 9 September 2021 00:25:41 BST Philip Webb wrote: >> I have cropped some .png images using Gwenview & the reduced versions >> are faded with Gwenview, but fully colored with Feh. >> I've tried using 'convert' to create .jpg versions, >> but while they're much smaller in Kbytes (good), >> they're also faded when viewed with Gwenview (Feh ok). > I think the gwenview faded display phenomenon you describe here > is unlikely to be the result of your conversion, > since feh displays it without any fading. > It may be caused by gwenview scaling the image to a different size, > to make it fit in the gwenview window, > unlike feh, which will open it in its original size > whether its full size dimensions fit in your PC monitor or not. > You can check the gwenview % reduction/increase shown at the bottom > right hand corner and change this to 100% to see if it makes any odds. Gwenview says it's showing it at 100 % . Both viewers show it at the same size on my monitor. > In the gwenview settings you can select what the default 'Zoom Mode' is, > if indeed this is the cause of the faded image display. > Another thing perhaps related could be the anti-aliasing gwenview applies > to fit the image in the window aperture and how this interacts > with the image elements and the resolution of your monitor > - you should be able to check this if you change the zoom level. > https://photo.stackexchange.com/questions/24512/what-is-aliasing-and-anti-aliasing The problem doesn't seem to have anything to do with aliasing, which corrects jagged lines etc. > On the same PC/monitor with the same display dimensions for an image > gwenview (with its default settings) and feh > ought to produce the same output - at least they do so here. > "... but fully *colored* with Feh" : > this is probably related to the colour gamut settings of gwenview. > In the gwenview settings, on the Advanced tab, > there are settings for "Rendering intent" and "Colour profile". > Change these and see if it makes a difference. I've tried changing all the various settings in Gwenview config separately, but nothing changes. NB this happens only with images which I've cropped using Gwenview, ie simply removed some outer parts of a larger original. In itself, that shouldn't change the colors in the new version. I have made screenshots of the different images via Imagemagick, which each show the same image in both Gwenview + Feh -- ie Gwenview shows the Feh test as vivid & Feh shows the other as faded -- & display how the former is faded, while the latter is vivid. I'll attach them to a separate e-mail to your address off the list. It remains a puzzle. Any further comments from anyone are most welcome. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
[gentoo-user] faded images with Gwenview
I have cropped some .png images using Gwenview & the reduced versions are faded with Gwenview, but fully colored with Feh. I've tried using 'convert' to create .jpg versions, but while they're much smaller in Kbytes (good), they're also faded when viewed with Gwenview (Feh ok). Can anyone explain what has caused this ? Is there a way of correcting it, eg with Imagemagick ? -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] Xscreensaver fails to start : solved
210831 Arve Barsnes wrote: > On Tue, 31 Aug 2021 at 16:27, Philip Webb wrote: >> I just updated to the latest Xscreensaver-6.01-r1. > Did you mean -r3 ? Yes, a typo. >> I emerged it with USE flag 'elogind' & don't use Systemd. >> 'which xscreensaver-systemd' finds nothing >> nor can I see any helpful messages in a file in /var/log . >> I have set the binary's permissions to SUID : >> root:526 /usr/bin> ls -l xscreensaver >> -rws--s--x 1 root root 51880 Aug 31 07:18 xscreensaver > Not sure if this is helpful, but I have neither elogind or systemd > in USE for this package, and it seems to work fine. It seems to be working correctly now, tho' only time will tell. I believe I needed to reboot to get the new version set up properly & instead I initially tried a "setuid root", which used to be required. Now apparently, it is strickly forbidden (grimace). Anyway, after a remerge & reboot & no "setuid", it got going as it should. -- ========,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
[gentoo-user] Xscreensaver fails to start
I just updated to the latest Xscreensaver-6.01-r1. If it starts at reboot, individual savers crash with a screen box saying ' crashed with Status 1'. If I stop the daemon, then restart it from CLI, I get : xscreensaver-systemd: 10:15:26: user bus connection failed: No such file or directory xscreensaver: 10:15:26: pid 15832: xscreensaver-systemd exited unexpectedly with status 1 I emerged it with USE flag 'elogind' & don't use Systemd. 'which xscreensaver-systemd' finds nothing nor can I see any helpful messages in a file in /var/log . I have set the binary's permissions to SUID : root:526 /usr/bin> ls -l xscreensaver -rws--s--x 1 root root 51880 Aug 31 07:18 xscreensaver Can anyone offer advice ? -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Motif compile fails
210831 Nuno Silva wrote: > On 2021-08-28, Philip Webb wrote: >> As part of updating to the latest stable Xscreensaver, >> I tried to emerge its requirement Motif, which failed with this message : >[...] >> /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/10.2.0/../../../../x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/bin/ld: >> /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/10.2.0/../../../../lib64/libfl.a(libmain.o): >> relocation R_X86_64_PC32 against symbol `exit@@GLIBC_2.2.5' can not be >> used when making a PIE object; recompile with -fPIE >> /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/10.2.0/../../../../x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/bin/ld: >> final link failed: bad value >> collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status >> make: *** [Makefile:502: wmluiltok] Error 1 >> make: Leaving directory >> '/var/tmp/portage/portage/x11-libs/motif-2.3.8-r2/work/motif-2.3.8-abi_x86_64.amd64/tools/wml' >> * ERROR: x11-libs/motif-2.3.8-r2::gentoo failed (compile phase): >> * emake failed >> -- end of Portage output -- > As the error involves libfl.a, from sys-devel/flex, > I'd try rebuilding that package. > See bug https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=583842 Thanks a lot : I was afraid no-one would reply. Yes, that worked & I've gone on to emerge the latest Xscreensaver-6.01-r3 , which has restored 'xscreensaver-settings' (was '-demo'), so I can finally suppress a couple of really ugly screensavers ! I did check Bugs for 'motif', but the bug above dates from 2016, so it didn't turn up in my search. -- ====,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
[gentoo-user] Motif compile fails
As part of updating to the latest stable Xscreensaver, I tried to emerge its requirement Motif, which failed with this message : >>> Compiling source in >>> /var/tmp/portage/portage/x11-libs/motif-2.3.8-r2/work/motif-2.3.8 ... * abi_x86_64.amd64: running multilib-minimal_abi_src_compile make -j9 -C tools/wml CC=x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc LIBS=-lfl wmluiltok make: Entering directory '/var/tmp/portage/portage/x11-libs/motif-2.3.8-r2/work/motif-2.3.8-abi_x86_64.amd64/tools/wml' x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I/var/tmp/portage/portage/x11-libs/motif-2.3.8-r2/work/motif-2.3.8/tools/wml -I../../include -I../../lib/Xm -I../../lib -I/var/tmp/portage/portage/x11-libs/motif-2.3.8-r2/work/motif-2.3.8/tools/wml/../../lib -I/var/tmp/portage/portage/x11-libs/motif-2.3.8-r2/work/motif-2.3.8/tools/wml/../../include -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/include/harfbuzz -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/lib64/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/include/uuid -march=native -O2 -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing -Wall -fno-strict-aliasing -Wno-unused -Wno-comment -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/include/harfbuzz -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/lib64/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/include/uuid-c -o wmluiltok.o /var/tmp/portage/portage/x11-libs/motif-2.3.8-r2/work/motif-2.3.8/tools/wml/wmluiltok.c /bin/sh ../../libtool --tag=CC --mode=link x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc -march=native -O2 -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing -Wall -fno-strict-aliasing -Wno-unused -Wno-comment -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/include/harfbuzz -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/lib64/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/include/uuid -Wl,-O1 -Wl,--as-needed -Wl,--as-needed -o wmluiltok wmluiltok.o -lfl -lfl libtool: link: x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc -march=native -O2 -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing -Wall -fno-strict-aliasing -Wno-unused -Wno-comment -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/include/harfbuzz -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/lib64/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/include/uuid -Wl,-O1 -o wmluiltok wmluiltok.o -Wl,--as-needed -lfl /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/10.2.0/../../../../x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/bin/ld: /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/10.2.0/../../../../lib64/libfl.a(libmain.o): warning: relocation against `exit@@GLIBC_2.2.5' in read-only section `.text.startup' /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/10.2.0/../../../../x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/bin/ld: /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/10.2.0/../../../../lib64/libfl.a(libmain.o): relocation R_X86_64_PC32 against symbol `exit@@GLIBC_2.2.5' can not be used when making a PIE object; recompile with -fPIE /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/10.2.0/../../../../x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/bin/ld: final link failed: bad value collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status make: *** [Makefile:502: wmluiltok] Error 1 make: Leaving directory '/var/tmp/portage/portage/x11-libs/motif-2.3.8-r2/work/motif-2.3.8-abi_x86_64.amd64/tools/wml' * ERROR: x11-libs/motif-2.3.8-r2::gentoo failed (compile phase): * emake failed -- end of Portage output -- This looks as if the problem is with Gcc flags, which is rather technical. Has anyone else run into this ? Does anyone have suggestions ? -- ,, SUPPORT _______//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: --depclean wants to remove openrc. Yikes!
210804 Dr Rainer Woitok wrote: > On Tue, 03 Aug 2021 07:45:27 -0400, Alec Ten Harmsel wrote: >> $ emerge --ask --depclean | less > I tested this using "most" from within a "urxvt" terminal > and at least with default options it did not work for me. Why not write the output to a file ? -- eg 'emerge --ask --depclean > '. Then you can look at the output at leisure, even on another machine. HTH -- ,,==== SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] Exact setting in grub to default to a kernel by name?
210613 Neil Bothwick wrote: > Isn't this a new laptop? If so, why torment yourself with GRUB when you > have UEFI available to you? The only real justification for using GRUB in > such a situation is that you are completely familiar with it and don't > want to learn something else. But if you have to learn something, you may > as well learn the 2/3 line configs of systemd-boot. > Note that systemd-boot doesn't require systemd, it's just the gummiboot > boot manager that was merged into systemd taken out again. Or you could > use rEFInd if you prefer a prettier boot menu. Or the OP could use Lilo, the simplest boot manager of all. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
[gentoo-user] xscreensaver-demo has vanished
I've updated Xscreensaver to 5.45 (from 5.43 IIRC) & 'xscreensaver-demo',
which runs the interactive config screen, has vanished.
'man xscreensaver' says it's available,
but when I enter 'xscreensaver-command -demo', it says "xscreensaver-command:
could not exec xscreensaver-demo: No such file or directory" ;
'equery files xscreensaver | grep bin' confirms this
& it has disappeared from the KDE apps menu.
Xscreensaver is running (started by Xinit), as confirmed by 'htop',
& 'xscreensaver-command -activate' does bring up a screensaver as expected.
Here's the record of the emerge :
root:550 ~> eix xscreensaver
[I] x11-misc/xscreensaver
Available versions: 5.44-r4 5.45 {caps +gdk-pixbuf gdm +gtk jpeg +locking
new-login offensive opengl pam +perl selinux suid systemd xinerama}
Installed versions: 5.45([2021-04-26 00:02:29])(gtk jpeg opengl -caps
-gdk-pixbuf -gdm -locking -new-login -offensive -pam -perl -selinux -suid
-systemd -xinerama)
Can anyone explain what has happened ?
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Re: [gentoo-user] Mutt vs Fetchmail problem
210322 Remco Rijnders wrote: > On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 03:22:26AM -0400, Philip wrote in >> I tried the Mutt 'G' command, which replied : >> "STLS: Mate, the command must be CAPA USER PASS QUIT ; no encryption". >> Of course, that wouldn't do, as it has to send out my password. >> So Fetchmail itself is working, but when Mutt calls it, something goes wrong. > How does Mutt call Fetchmail ? That I'm not sure (smile). > I think 'G' is not bound by default in Mutt. IIRC it is bound by default : at least, it's always worked before. > How did you set it up in your .muttrc ? set pop_host="pop." set pop_pass="" set pop_user="" set pop_last Fetchmail is run as a user cron job. It was last emerged in 2020. The cron jobs are running as before, but nothing is downloaded. .muttrc hasn't been changed since 2020. It does appear that it is in fact more convenient to use Fetchmail directly. Instead of having to check several folders for new mail, I can issue the command (aliased as 'fm') when I decide to check mail & it actually tells me how many it's downloading, so if there's nothing, I don't have to do anything else. However, it wb helpful to find out what has gone wrong. It must be some pkg I updated since 210220. -- ====,,==== SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
[gentoo-user] Mutt vs Fetchmail problem
I've been a happy user of Mutt for 25 years , helped by Fetchmail. Today -- in the midst of moving my home, of all times -- I realised that something had gone wrong & I wasn't receiving mail : e-mails were going out, but nothing was coming back. I tried the Mutt 'G' command, which replied : "STLS: Mate, the command must be CAPA USER PASS QUIT ; no encryption". Of course, that wouldn't do, as it has to send out my password. I had rebooted on Friday after 28 days , so something must have changed. In fact, I had updated to 'openssl-1.1.1j' during that time, so I reverted to 'openssl-1.1.1i', remerged Mutt & rebooted. No change. Mutt version is 2.0.4-r1 , originally merged in 2020 ; Fetchmail is 6.4.8 ; '.fetchmailrc' says "sslproto '' options stripcr", which has been working properly for a long time. Looking in 'man fetchmail', I found an instruction for testing it, which suggested all I had to do was try entering 'fetchmail'. Yes, that downloaded all the stalled msgs ! So Fetchmail itself is working, but when Mutt calls it, something goes wrong. Can anyone offer a suggestion what that might be ? -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo + wifi
210321 Matt Connell (Gmail) wrote: > On Sun, 2021-03-21 at 21:25 -0400, Philip Webb wrote: >> my question is, if I use the Wifi services, >> is whether I would need to add hardware to my machine > It depends on if your motherboard has an integrated Wifi chip or not. > If it does not have an external connector for an antenna, > it probably doesn't have the hardware. However, USB wifi adapters > are quite affordable and sufficient for your use case, in my opinion. I built the machine in 2015 & it doesn't have an integrated Wifi chip. I plan to built a new machine in Autumn 2021, so it looks as if I wb best simply transfering my present set-up to my new place & exploring the possibilities of Wifi after I've got organised there. >> & whether I would need to add any packages to my Gentoo system. > Yes, you will. You'll need to find out what chipset is used > by the adapter you want to add. Once you have that, > you can enable the appropriate kernel drivers and rebuild, > then you'll need to install 'net-wireless/wpa_supplicant' > to make the actual connection. 'wpa_supplicant' can be cumbersome > to set up by hand, but the Arch wiki has a very comprehensive page[1] > on how to configure it. Alternatively, there are GUI tools > for managing the configuration the aptly named 'wpa_gui' is usually enough; > to get this, you need to enable the 'qt5' USE flag for 'wpa_supplicant', > but if you're connecting to 1 network and never changing the configuration, > that mb overkill. [1] https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Wpa_supplicant Thanks for your very clear, prompt & comprehensive explanation (big smile). -- ====,,==== SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
[gentoo-user] Gentoo + wifi
After many years living in the same apartment, I am going to move soon. Since before I started using Gentoo in 2003, I have been accessing the I/net via a landline phone jack, a splitter & (more recently) DHCPCD. I have never had a cell phone or accessed the I/net via Wifi. Where I'm moving to, there is free Wifi + free use of broadband ; there's also a phone jack, tho' it's not in the best location. I need to decide whether to get Bell Canada (my phone) + my ISP to transfer my connections to the new place & carry on as always or to use the offered Wifi services, which would save me CAD 70 / month . My phone needs are quite basic -- dental appointments + emergencies -- & my ISP has been very reliable, a small Canadian company in Waterloo. My basic question, if I use the Wifi services, is whether I would need to add hardware to my machine & whether I would need to add any packages to my Gentoo system. I built my computer in 2015 & the mobo came with the usual connectors. For I/net, I need a DNS address ; for e-mail -- vital -- , an e-ddress. If I use Wifi, how would these be provided ? Any advice wb very welcome ; please remember I know nothing re cell phones, tho' of course I'm quite willing to buy one (brand suggestions ? ). -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE has lost some desktop mouse actions : solved
210127 Philip Webb wrote:
> Some time ago, KDE lost the ability to assign to desktop Left-Click ;
> now it has also lost the ability to assign to desktop Middle-Click ;
> only desktop Right-Click remains, which cb assigned either to Context Menu
> or to Applications Launcher, both of which are useful :
> this is done in ~/.config/plasma-org.kde.plasma.desktop-appletsrc.
In my e-mail archive, I found a msg from Dan Johansson 200102 :
> In ${HOME}/.config/plasma-org.kde.plasma.desktop-appletsrc
> I had for the Desktop layout in the [Containments][1] section :
> "plugin=org.kde.desktopcontainment". If I change this
> to "plugin=org.kde.plasma.folder" my Left-Click action works again.
> If I change it back, it stops working, so I looks like this is a issue.
That line was in [Containments][7],
but changing it as above does in fact restore the Left Button
& I now have that assigned to 'applauncher' & R-click to 'contextmenu'.
Does anyone know of a man or help file
for plasma-org.kde.plasma.desktop-appletsrc ?
Belated thanks to Don.
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[gentoo-user] KDE has lost some desktop mouse actions
Some time ago, KDE lost the ability to assign to desktop Left-Click ; now it has also lost the ability to assign to desktop Middle-Click ; only desktop Right-Click remains, which cb assigned either to Context Menu or to Applications Launcher, both of which are useful : this is done in ~/.config/plasma-org.kde.plasma.desktop-appletsrc , in which I now have at the top : [ActionPlugins][0] LeftButton;NoModifier=org.kde.paste MidButton;NoModifier=org.kde.contextmenu RightButton;NoModifier=org.kde.applauncher wheel:Vertical;NoModifier=org.kde.switchdesktop Has anyone managed to assign an action to Left- or Middle-Click ? I am using the latest (210123) versions of Qt Frameworks Plasma. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE update causes bizarre behaviour : solved
210126 Michael wrote: > On Tuesday, 26 January 2021 07:52:53 GMT Philip Webb wrote: >> I manhandled a huge update of Qt + KDE last weekend >> & am now using Qt-5.15.2 Frameworks-5.77.0 Plasma-5.20.5 . >> The digital clock has disappeared from the panel. > Some packages have been updated again to later versions, > e.g. dev-qt/qtgui-5.15.2-r1, kde-plasma/plasma-workspace-5.20.5-r1. In fact, I am using the '-r1' versions already. Something went wrong among the KDE items in ~/.config/ . I restored that directory from a year-old backup & all is well again. No doubt, I'll need to do some fine-tuning, but it'll do for now. -- ,,==== SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
[gentoo-user] KDE update causes bizarre behaviour
I manhandled a huge update of Qt + KDE last weekend & am now using Qt-5.15.2 Frameworks-5.77.0 Plasma-5.20.5 . It was necessary to unmerge the whole of Qt & remerge it & ditto part of Frameworks : otherwise there were dependency conflicts. Portage seems incapable of handling such situations by itself. The digital clock has disappeared from the panel. I tried "add widgets" & can drag it to the panel, but it doesn't stay. I tried another widget (simple calculator) as a test & can't remove it. The icon for the clock in the "add widgets" menu has a small number attached, which has now reached "10", suggesting that I've added 10 versions, but none of them is viewable ; there is an invisible icon in the panel which when R-clicked shows the display for editing the digital clock, but when L-clicked shows a different widget. Gwenview now presents my ~/pix/ directory as "Pictures", though its name remains the same in my file system. Has anyone else encountered these or other strange phenomena ? Does anyone have a suggestion how to get back to normalcy ? -- ,,==== SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatcadotinterdotnet
Re: [gentoo-user] Console scrollback
On Sat, 16 Jan 2021 12:01:48 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > I usually install Gentoo via ssh. > The article I read about the removal of Linux console's backscrolling > feature said it was mostly due to lack of a maintainer for that code, > and that if somebody stepped forward to maintain it, it could be revived. > I subscribed to the linux-kernel list for a short time > and offered my services in a post. Not one single reply did I get. > Linus Torvalds personally took the decision to remove the scrolling. > Sure, he went through the motions of pretending to try to find > a maintainer, but didn't put any serious effort into it. > He argued that "nobody" uses it anyway, therefore it is unimportant. > Exactly what the bugs are in the scrolling code > wasn't gone into on the list, despite more than one contributor asking. You can't expect Linus to take any time over a minority of users or for the kernel team generally to reply to someone they don't know. In order to get attention, you need to come up with a set of patches which you know work in a modified kernel in your own machine. For that, you have to put in some work of your own, searching out the bugs, examining the relevant code, finding what is needed to fix the bugs & testing patched kernels. If you try using Screen, you could print yourself a list of commands, which would make it easier to get used to its features. It may well be easier to go over to BSD instead. When I installed this system in 2015, I needed to use raw terminals, so I wonder whether this is a real problem for a lot of Gentoo users. If so, an approach by a Gentoo dev to the kernel maintainers would be likely to get the attention you can't get on your own. HTH -- ,,======== SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatcadotinterdotnet
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Differences between wget and browser file retrieval?
210114 David Haller wrote: > On Thu, 14 Jan 2021, Walter Dnes wrote: >> I download daily a PDF. Today, the command ... >> wget https://files.ontario.ca/moh-covid-19-report-en-2021-01-14.pdf >> returns a zero-byte file. *BUT*, sticking the URL into the URL bar > >of Pale Moon and Google Chrome brings up the PDF file just fine. >> Is "wget" being blocked ? > I could download that file just fine just now[1]. > Try running 'wget' with the '-S' option. > Oh and : >> WARNING: cannot verify files.ontario.ca's certificate, issued by > So, try: > wget -S --no-check-certificate -U 'Mozilla/5.0 ...' \ >https://files.ontario.ca/moh-covid-19-report-en-2021-01-14.pdf > BTW: you know that you can let date format that URL? e.g.: > wget -S --no-check-certificate -U 'Mozilla/5.0 ...' \ >"$(date '+https://files.ontario.ca/moh-covid-19-report-en-%Y-%m-%d.pdf')" Here in Toronto, I get the same result as Walter via his URL & similar results from the 2 longer versions above, except that the escaped version give "ERROR 403: Forbidden". When I drop Walter's URL into the address bar of Firefox, no problem : a 1,75 MB PDF which appears to have all the info. It looks as if the site is refusing 'wget' requests from Ontario, but allowing them from eg Germany (!). What Walter is doing is well worthwhile. Press reports are very shallow & the Ontario government doesn't appear to have any clear idea just where & how the virus is being spread between humans. HTH. -- ====,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatcadotinterdotnet
Re: [gentoo-user] Converting Unix time to local time
On Monday, 23 November 2020 21:47:11 GMT Jack wrote:
> For many years, I've had this small script in my home directory -
> unfortunately I rarely remember to use it. I have no idea
> where I got it, but it's got a timestamp of about four years ago.
> However, now that I actually look at it,
> the author is a frequent contributor to this list,
> so it was likely mentioned here.
>
> #!/usr/bin/awk -f
>
##
###
> # log-emerge:
> #
> # A filter which converts the time stamp on emerge log files to a human
> # readable form.
> #
> # Written by Alan Mackenzie , 2015-10-20.
> # This script is in the public domain.
> #
> # To use, pipe all or part of a log file through this filter.
>
##
###
> {
> sec = strtonum(substr($1, 1, 11))
> $1 = strftime("%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S %z", sec, 0) ":"
> print
> }
I didn't read the earlier msgs in this thread,
but I've long used my own Bash function (in .bashrc ) :
# translate UNIX date to human-readable
function th { date -d @$1 ; }
eg the last line in emerge.log is "1606047812: *** terminating." ,
so I hilite the number & drop it into the function :
th 1606047812
which gives the timestamp
Sun Nov 22 07:23:32 AM EST 2020
HTH
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is there any Gentoo User webinar ?
On 2020-09-30, Dale wrote: > I've found that syncing and updating once a week is generally good > enough. Generally, a "eix-sync && emerge -uaDN world" does the job. For the OP (original poster), I can echo re a weekly 'eix-sync' -- do install 'eix' -- , but I've never done 'emerge world' without '-pv'. Then I make a list of what has been updated among what I use & update them invidivually or in sensible groups ; that way, you avoid getting caught in Portage tangles, which have become less frequent recently, but can still happen. On a rarely used system, you can update successfully after > 1 year , but you need to work thro' the list carefully, which takes time. As for the original inquiry, most of us never meet each other in person, but we do swap notes on this list re Gentoo & even other Linux matters. There's a forum, but the noise/info ratio is much too high : think of the high-school cafeteria compared with the teachers' commonroom. It's a friendly place : most of us build our own machines & are prepared to put in a bit of spare time maintaining our systems. -- ,,==== SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatcadotinterdotnet
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo Council vs Umbrella Corp ?
What do other similar software projects do ? -- distros like Debian, Arch ; others like KDE Gnome DocFound'n (LO). It wb potentially disastrous if the Gentoo trustees handed control to another organisation for which the Gentoo distro was a dispensable part. Even if we can trust their personnel today, that may change in future. If the previous accounting mess has been resolved & the Foundation currently has plenty of cash, surely it's best to leave well alone for the present. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatcadotinterdotnet
Re: [gentoo-user] Python 2.7 removal : problem with Firefox + Spidermonkey
200729 i.Dark_Templar wrote: > 29.07.2020 20:11, Philip Webb пишет: >> I've removed every other pkg which might require Python-2.7, >> but am stuck with this : >> >> root:605 ~> emerge -cpv python:2.7 >> Calculating dependencies... done! >> dev-lang/python-2.7.18-r1 pulled in by: >> dev-lang/spidermonkey-60.5.2_p0-r4 requires >> >=dev-lang/python-2.7.5-r2:2.7[ncurses,sqlite,ssl,threads] >> www-client/firefox-68.10.0 requires >> dev-lang/python:2.7[ncurses,sqlite,ssl,threads(+)] >> > For firefox, it's in mozcoreconf-v6.eclass. Indeed, it is. Is there anything I can do re it today ? If not, are steps being taken by the devs to remove these requirements ? What might happen, if I simply remove Python-2.7 with -C ? Thanks for both responses. -- ,,==== SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatcadotinterdotnet
[gentoo-user] Python 2.7 removal : problem with Firefox + Spidermonkey
I've removed every other pkg which might require Python-2.7, but am stuck with this : root:605 ~> emerge -cpv python:2.7 Calculating dependencies... done! dev-lang/python-2.7.18-r1 pulled in by: dev-lang/spidermonkey-60.5.2_p0-r4 requires >=dev-lang/python-2.7.5-r2:2.7[ncurses,sqlite,ssl,threads] www-client/firefox-68.10.0 requires dev-lang/python:2.7[ncurses,sqlite,ssl,threads(+)] Yes, I've looked in package.use & in the ebuilds & can't find any source of these requirements : can anyone help ? -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatcadotinterdotnet
Re: [gentoo-user] problem emerging pycairo
200713 Adam Carter wrote: > On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 5:32 AM Philip Webb wrote: >> root:543 ~> emerge -pv pycairo ... >> WARNING: One or more updates/rebuilds have been skipped >> due to a dependency conflict: >> dev-python/pycairo:0 >> (dev-python/pycairo-1.19.1:0/0::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge) >> USE="-doc -examples -test" ABI_X86="(64)" PYTHON_TARGETS= >> "(-pypy3) python3_6 python3_7 -python3_8 (-python3_9)" conflicts with >> >=dev-python/pycairo-1.11.1 [python_targets_python2_7(-), >> python_targets_python3_6(-),python_targets_python3_7(-), >> -python_single_target_python2_7(-),-python_single_target_python3_6(-), >> -python_single_target_python3_7(-),-python_single_target_python3_8(-), >> -python_single_target_python3_9(-)] required by >> (dev-python/pygobject-3.34.0:3/3::gentoo, installed) >> USE="cairo -examples -test" ABI_X86="(64)" >> PYTHON_TARGETS="python2_7 python3_6 python3_7 -python3_8" > I think it's because dev-python/pycairo-1.19.1 doesnt have python2_7 , > which dev-python/pycairo-1.18.2 does and pygobject requires it. > You could try removing python2_7 from pygobject, > but i'm guessing there will be other dependencies that wont allow that. Thanks for the suggestion ; that does solve the problem, tho' how anyone could derive that info from the Portage output is quite beyond me : root:570 ~> PYTHON_TARGETS="python3_6 python3_7" emerge -pv pycairo pygobject These are the packages that would be merged, in order: Calculating dependencies... done! [ebuild U ] dev-python/pycairo-1.19.1::gentoo [1.18.2::gentoo] USE="-doc -examples -test" PYTHON_TARGETS="(-pypy3) (-python2_7%*) python3_6 python3_7 -python3_8 (-python3_9)" 201 KiB [ebuild R] dev-python/pygobject-3.34.0:3::gentoo USE="cairo -examples -test" PYTHON_TARGETS="-python2_7* python3_6 python3_7 -python3_8 (-python3_9)" -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatcadotinterdotnet
[gentoo-user] problem emerging pycairo
this is the output :
root:543 ~> emerge -pv pycairo
These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
Calculating dependencies... done!
[ebuild R] dev-python/pycairo-1.18.2::gentoo USE="-doc -examples -test"
PYTHON_TARGETS="(-pypy3%) python2_7 python3_6 python3_7 -python3_8 (-python3_9)"
WARNING: One or more updates/rebuilds have been skipped
due to a dependency conflict:
dev-python/pycairo:0
(dev-python/pycairo-1.19.1:0/0::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge)
USE="-doc -examples -test" ABI_X86="(64)" PYTHON_TARGETS=
"(-pypy3) python3_6 python3_7 -python3_8 (-python3_9)" conflicts with
>=dev-python/pycairo-1.11.1 [python_targets_python2_7(-),
python_targets_python3_6(-),python_targets_python3_7(-),
-python_single_target_python2_7(-),-python_single_target_python3_6(-),
-python_single_target_python3_7(-),-python_single_target_python3_8(-),
-python_single_target_python3_9(-)] required by
(dev-python/pygobject-3.34.0:3/3::gentoo, installed)
USE="cairo -examples -test" ABI_X86="(64)"
PYTHON_TARGETS="python2_7 python3_6 python3_7 -python3_8"
root:544 ~> eix pycairo
[U] dev-python/pycairo
Available versions: 1.18.2^t 1.19.1^t {doc examples test
PYTHON_TARGETS="pypy3 python2_7 python3_6 python3_7 python3_8 python3_9"}
Installed versions: 1.18.2^t([2020-04-25 12:09:30])(-doc -examples -test
PYTHON_TARGETS="python2_7 python3_6 python3_7 -pypy3 -python3_8")
root:545 ~> eix pygobject
[I] dev-python/pygobject
Available versions:
(2)2.28.6-r55^t
(3)3.32.1^t 3.34.0^t
{+cairo examples libffi test
PYTHON_TARGETS="python2_7 python3_6 python3_7 python3_8 python3_9"}
Installed versions: 3.34.0(3)^t([2020-05-09 19:57:48])(cairo -examples -test
PYTHON_TARGETS="python2_7 python3_6 python3_7 -python3_8")
-- end of output --
Can anyone explain why Portage refuses to update 'pycairo' ?
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Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo dead?
200421 Dale wrote ... : > Rich Freeman wrote ... : >> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 9:49 PM Dale wrote: > ... I'm not sure why people keep thinking Gentoo is dying. > Sometimes I think it is more about the difference > between binary distros they are coming from > and Gentoo being source-based than Gentoo actually dying. > When people consider switching to Gentoo, it's different > from what they expect. They may need to research what Gentoo is first. > Gentoo certainly doesn't hold a person's hand > during the install or even after the install. I agree with almost all of this dialog. Just like Dale, I stumbled into Gentoo in 2003 after Mandrake was late (again) with a semi-annual update. I tried a couple of other distros, but they didn't install properly, so I tried the latest new fad Gentoo, followed the install guide & suddenly found myself looking at a working system. I've never wanted to use anything else since. Gentoo is for people who want to run their own Linux systems, not something someone else out there decided they ought to want. It does involve a bit of work + responsibility : my analogy has always been that M$/Mac are like living in a hotel, Linux binary distros are like renting an apartment & Gentoo is like owning your own house. At first, I assumed Consus -- yet another silly pseudonym -- was a troll of the kind which does turn up here every couple of years, but his remarks do suggest he's genuinely interested, if ignorant (smile). Hopefully, he will learn how things get done, stay around & help out. Gentoo does have a major weakness, which is the state of Portage. It needs a thoro' rewrite, preferably in a faster language than Python. I'm too old & it's a long time since I did any programming, so No I'm not volunteering, but if we're lucky someone -- M Gorny ? -- will get it started & others will join in. Meanwhile, thanks yet again to all the devs for their unpaid work. -- ,,==== SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatcadotinterdotnet
Re: [gentoo-user] 'su' missing : solved
200312 Philip Webb wrote: > My practice for many years has been to have a root terminal running, > which I start via 'konsole' + 'su'. After a system update + reboot, > I am confronted with : > > Warning: Could not find 'su', starting '/bin/bash' instead. > Please check your profile settings. > > 499: ~> su > bash: su: command not found > > I always start from a raw terminal & use 'startx', > so hopefully I can still login as root & do system things that way. 'eix shadow' provided the solution : there's a new USE flag 'su'. when that is enabled, 'shadow' is remerged & the system rebooted -- the last is essential -- , all returns to normal. -- ,,======== SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatcadotinterdotnet
[gentoo-user] 'su' missing
My practice for many years has been to have a root terminal running, which I start via 'konsole' + 'su'. After a system update + reboot, I am confronted with : Warning: Could not find 'su', starting '/bin/bash' instead. Please check your profile settings. 499: ~> su bash: su: command not found I always start from a raw terminal & use 'startx', so hopefully I can still login as root & do system things that way, but can anyone suggest what might have caused this problem ? -- one pkg which was updated was 'shadow' : might that be the cause ? BTW no-one else has physical access to this machine, so leaving a root terminal running does not endanger security. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatcadotinterdotnet
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: problem with Fetchmail
200304 William Kenworthy wrote: > On 4/3/20 8:58 am, Jack wrote: >> Can you try to run fetchmail manually, >> perhaps with increased verbosity or debug output ? > Fetchmail itself is independent of cron - > it doesn't use it for scheduling, > at least in the configurations I use (fcron). > You can cron fetchmail, buts that's not normal. > 'cron' programs by default have a very stripped down environment > which is the usual cause of errors & can be hard to identify whats missing. > If it's something like emailing an error log or test commands, > run the commands from the error message manually, > then via a test cron entry to narrow it down. > Try grep'ing /etc to find the actual commands. Thanks to both. I've found the source of the msgs : Fetchmail was polling 2 mail servers, my ISP + a university a/c ; when I commented the lines for the latter in .fetchmailrc , they stopped. Since I no longer expect to get mail via the UoT a/c, I can leave it at that, tho' perhaps I should amend my sig below. -- ,,==== SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: problem with Fetchmail
200303 Jack wrote: > On 2020.03.03 02:54, Philip Webb wrote: >> However, my ISP is now sending me an e-mail every 5 min , >> after Fetchmail checks for mail : >> >> From: "(Cron Daemon)" >> To: purslow@*** >> Subject: Cron test -e /var/run/dhcpcd.pid && >> /usr/bin/fetchmail -s 2> /dev/null >> fetchmail: Query status=2 (SOCKET) > Are you sure the message is coming from your ISP > and not locally generated, perhaps by cron ? Thanks, you're correct. 'man fetchmail' under 'EXIT CODES' says 2 An error was encountered when attempting to open a socket to retrieve mail. If you don't know what a socket is, don't worry about it -- just treat this as an 'unrecoverable error'. This error can also be because a protocol fetchmail wants to use is not listed in /etc/services. It looks like that latter, but 'services' has > 1100 lines . '.fetchmailrc' uses 'sslproto', but otherwise I don't know what it wants. The simple solution is to have Procmail treat these msgs as spam, but it wb nice to know just what service it's failing to find. Any suggestions ? -- ====,,==== SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: problem with Fetchmail
191211 Holger Hoffstätte wrote: > On 12/10/19 11:03 PM, Philip Webb wrote: >> A few days ago, I updated Fetchmail to the latest stable 6.4.1 . >> Immediately, it stopped fetching mail from one of my mail forwarders ; >> the other one still worked, as I found by test-mailing to myself. >> When I reverted to 6.3.26-r4 , everything worked properly again. > I had the same problem after updating to 6.4 and managed to fix it > by adding the "sslproto ''" option to each poll section. > This immediately made things work again, > both when piping through POPFile and fetching from GMail. > See the 6.4.x man page for changes regarding the --sslproto option. Thanks again, if I didn't thank you before. I simply reverted, left it that way & forgot all about it till I noticed that Fetchmail needs Python-2 only when using 'tk'. Wanting to eliminate Py-2 ASAP, I emerged Fetchmail 6.4.1 & ran into the same problem. Eventually, I also noticed that 'sslproto' needs an argument (red face) & added the '' . Now it's fetching mail again (big smile). However, my ISP is now sending me an e-mail every 5 min , after Fetchmail checks for mail : From: "(Cron Daemon)" To: purslow@*** Subject: Cron test -e /var/run/dhcpcd.pid && /usr/bin/fetchmail -s 2> /dev/null fetchmail: Query status=2 (SOCKET) Can anyone tell me how to suppress these msgs ? -- ====,,==== SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: octave won't run
200206 Ian Zimmerman wrote: > On 2020-02-06 09:56, Mick wrote: >> Otherwise the latest sci-libs/lapack is 3.8.0, > so your links above look correct as far as I can tell. > Note that sci-libs/lapack and sci-libs/lapack-reference > are 2 distinct packages. The OP presumably has the latter. > Both of them existing may be the real bug here. FWIW my own set-up seems to support that. 872: ~> ls -l /usr/lib64/liblapack.* lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 Nov 16 17:11 /usr/lib64/liblapack.so -> liblapack.so.3 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 Nov 16 17:11 /usr/lib64/liblapack.so.3 -> liblapack.so.3.8.0 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 6637008 Nov 16 17:11 /usr/lib64/liblapack.so.3.8.0 873: ~> When I checked earlier today, there were broken symlinks to lapack-reference , but deleting them made no difference : the pkg isn't installed. Octave opens & calculates '1+1' without any problems. So the solution to the OP's problem mb simply to unmerge lapack-reference . -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] qtwebkit problem (solved)
200105 Jack wrote: > On 1/5/20 5:01 AM, Philip Webb wrote: >> In order to update to the latest stable PyQt5-5.13.2 , >> I was required to remerge qtwebkit-5.212.0_pre20190629 ; >> Towards the end of the latter compile, I suddenly found myself >> looking at a completely dark screen : the whole system had crashed. > There have been other good comments, but I'd ask what are your --jobs > and --load-average settings? Does it crash using -j1 ? > I realize this may be moot, since you have already completed the emerge > and may not want to risk another crash, but it's a thought. Thanks for this + the other comments. I'm not interested enough to make any further tests. I doubt if the problem is hardware, which is 4 yr old & very reliable ; the usual rule-of-thumb is 'random = hardware, predictable = software' & this phenomenon was predictable after the 1st occurence. Since the previous emerge(s) of this version didn't fail, the cause has to be some extra demand imposed by the new requirements eg of the latest PyQt5. This seems quite likely : Python + Qt both seem to be projects with little discipline or care, which keep on bloating & demanding more-more from users. The Python 2/3 fiasco is a big pain in the neck & whenever Qt needs updating, you have to delete everything first before re-installing it, otherwise Portage refuses to handle it. Back in the days when software had to work on an XT, programmers had to exercise rigorous self-discipline ; these days of unlimited memory/storage/processing have made them lazy. On Gentoo, we get all the advantages of controlling our own systems, but the downside is that we have to attend to some problems which are handled by the devs on binary distros. so back to real life ... (grin) -- ,,======== SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
[gentoo-user] qtwebkit problem (solved)
In order to update to the latest stable PyQt5-5.13.2 , I was required to remerge qtwebkit-5.212.0_pre20190629 ; this normally takes 30 min & can make its cache in memory. Towards the end of the latter compile, I suddenly found myself looking at a completely dark screen : the whole system had crashed. I pressed the Start button on the box & tried the emerge again, watching what was going on during the compile, while monitoring 'free' on another tab & activity on Gkrellm. Early in the compile, it briefly used most of swap : I have 8 GB memory + 8 GB swap partition & it was using c 4,5 GB swap ; this dropped again fairly quickly. All 8 processors were running at 100 % or nearly & the CPU temperature was 70 C with fans whining a bit. Then at the same point in the compile, poof ! -- another hard crash. Nothing at all in 'syslog' ; 'kern.log' shows : Jan 4 13:23:56 localhost kernel: IPv6: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_CHANGE): enp2s0: link becomes ready Jan 4 14:09:33 localhost kernel: Kernel logging (proc) stopped. Jan 4 14:09:33 localhost kernel: Kernel log daemon terminating. < this wb the crash, then restart > Jan 4 14:09:55 localhost kernel: klogd 1.5.1, log source = /proc/kmsg started. Jan 4 14:09:55 localhost kernel: Inspecting /usr/src/linux/System.map Jan 4 14:09:55 localhost kernel: Cannot find map file. Jan 4 14:09:55 localhost kernel: Loaded 30475 symbols from 1 module. Jan 4 14:09:55 localhost kernel: Linux version 4.14.52-gentoo (root@localhost) (gcc version 7.3.0 (Gentoo 7.3.0-r3 p1.4)) #5 SMP Sun Aug 19 23:59:47 EDT 201 which isn't very helpful. What evidence there was suggested that it had run out of swap, causing the kernel to panic, so I added 'dev-qt/qtwebkit notmpfs.conf' to /etc/portage/package.env , tried the emerge again & it went thro' successfully in 29 min . If you try to emerge LO or FF using a tmpfs , Portage tells you not to. Rust is the 4th entry in package.env : I forget whether Portage/other warned me or I found out the hard way. It's also a puzzle why qtwebkit failed on this re-merge after compiling successfully when previously updated a few months ago. It's a very long time since my system (on any box) crashed in this manner. This is FYI, but others might have a few comments. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
