Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help with xorg-server-1.9.4 and no hal; broken mouse/keyboard/X
On Monday 21 February 2011 04:07:20 Valmor de Almeida wrote: otherwise my keyboard keybindings do not work. I have also tried the pointer InputClass outside the xorg.conf file, that is, inside the xorg.conf.d/ directory. As long as the 10-synaptics.conf file is read first, the keyboard config works so do the usb mouse and trackpoint (with inverted buttons). However so far I have not been able to get the touchpad buttons to be inverted. This is a minor thing I can deal with later. Try, as man synaptics suggest, to set in your synaptics: TapButton1=3 as an option and see if that works. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help with xorg-server-1.9.4 and no hal; broken mouse/keyboard/X
On Sunday 20 February 2011 00:25:24 Valmor de Almeida wrote: On 02/19/2011 06:59 PM, Mick wrote: [snip] On two laptops of mine evdev causes untold confusion with the touchpad and second language selection for the keyboard. I *have* to use the synaptics and keyboard input drivers. I'm also using mouse (because it doesn't hurt I guess). I tried of course to remove them all and leave evdev initially, but it all went horribly wrong. Perhaps evdev will catch up eventually, I just hope synaptics and keyboard don't default into being deprecated before then. I think I should at least partly retract some of the above statement - with x11-base/xorg-server-1.9.4 I have managed to unmerge x11-drivers/xf86-input- keyboard and x11-drivers/xf86-input-mouse and evdev seems to still pick up my mouse and keyboard. I had to comment out the following three entries first in my xorg.conf: # Section ServerLayout Identifier X.org Configured Screen 0 Screen0 0 0 # InputDeviceMouse0 CorePointer # InputDeviceKeyboard0 CoreKeyboard # Option AllowEmptyInput off EndSection # and also added appropriate Section InputClass parts for mouse and keyboard in my /etc/X11/xorg.conf, but commented out similar parts in /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-evdev.conf. I am using evdev and synaptics only on a thinkpad t201. Without an xorg.conf, all works including when I connect an usb mouse. However I am trying to configure the touchpad, trackpoint and extended buttons to work as left-hand; that is I would like to have the 3 buttons reversed. I have not been lucky so far. In fact I've read on the web about some new (relative to xorg 1.7) syntax for the xorg.conf file. Does anyone know about a site with humanly friendly information on how to write a modern xorg.conf file? Have you had a look at: http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/desktop/x/x11/xorg-server-1.8-upgrade-guide.xml Also, have a read of the InputClass section in man xorg.conf and the files in /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/. In addition to the devices I mentioned above I am also trying to setup an external monitor as a hotplug virtual screen. For instance, things like this do not work: Section InputClass Identifier TouchPad Change this line to: Identifier touchpad catchall Or, you can also try: Identifier synaptics touchpad catchall MatchIsTouchpad on Driver synaptics #Option SHMConfig on Option VertTwoFingerScroll on EndSection In the past I used Option ButtonMapping 3 2 1 Do you want this to work for your touchpad with the synaptics driver, or do you want this to work with any physical buttons on the laptop, or even an external (e.g. USB) mouse? If the former, then have a look at the NOTES at the end of the man synaptics page, where it mentions button mapping. For non tap buttons you can try setting this option in an InputClass section in your xorg.conf for an InputClass device mouse: Section InputClass Identifier mouse catchall Driver evdev MatchIsPointer on MatchDevicePath /dev/input/event* Option Protocol auto Option ButtonMapping 3 2 1 EndSection which apparently does not work here. Last but not least, how do I get the good old ctrl-alt-backspace keybinding to kill X? You'll need to define this in the InputClass that deals with the keyboard: Section InputClass Identifier keyboard catchall Driver evdev MatchIsKeyboard on MatchDevicePath /dev/input/event* Option XkbLayout gb Option XkbOptions terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp EndSection HTH. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help with xorg-server-1.9.4 and no hal; broken mouse/keyboard/X
On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 14:48:17 -0500, Valmor de Almeida wrote: Thanks for the help. This was less painful than I thought. However it exposed a internet connection problem. I am using wicd for wireless and wired internet config. This laptop happened to be in a place where no wired internet is available. Since I use the wicd-client X config utility I was not able to connect to the internet while X was down. There is a wicd-cli but the man page is empty. I guess I will have to get some info on how to use wicd-cli on an emergency like this. The man page is empty but wicd-cli --help will shoe that that this is not what you want. You need wicd-curses, but wicd-client should call that for you when X is unavailable. If you have auto-connect enabled for your ESSID, you don't even need that, wicd will connect as soon as it starts at boot. -- Neil Bothwick I distinctly remember forgetting that. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help with xorg-server-1.9.4 and no hal; broken mouse/keyboard/X
On 02/20/2011 12:53 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 14:48:17 -0500, Valmor de Almeida wrote: Thanks for the help. This was less painful than I thought. However it exposed a internet connection problem. I am using wicd for wireless and wired internet config. This laptop happened to be in a place where no wired internet is available. Since I use the wicd-client X config utility I was not able to connect to the internet while X was down. There is a wicd-cli but the man page is empty. I guess I will have to get some info on how to use wicd-cli on an emergency like this. The man page is empty but wicd-cli --help will shoe that that this is not what you want. You need wicd-curses, but wicd-client should call that for you when X is unavailable. If you have auto-connect enabled for your ESSID, you don't even need that, wicd will connect as soon as it starts at boot. Indeed, wicd-curses does the job. Thanks, -- Valmor
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help with xorg-server-1.9.4 and no hal; broken mouse/keyboard/X
On 02/20/2011 10:03 AM, Mick wrote: [snip] Have you had a look at: http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/desktop/x/x11/xorg-server-1.8-upgrade-guide.xml Yes. Got some info there. Also, have a read of the InputClass section in man xorg.conf and the files in /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/. This was helpful. [snip] In the past I used Option ButtonMapping 3 2 1 Do you want this to work for your touchpad with the synaptics driver, or do you want this to work with any physical buttons on the laptop, or even an external (e.g. USB) mouse? The latter. If the former, then have a look at the NOTES at the end of the man synaptics page, where it mentions button mapping. man pages (evdev and xorg.conf) were really helpful. For non tap buttons you can try setting this option in an InputClass section in your xorg.conf for an InputClass device mouse: Section InputClass Identifier mouse catchall Driver evdev MatchIsPointer on MatchDevicePath /dev/input/event* Option Protocol auto Option ButtonMapping 3 2 1 EndSection I tried the above for the Identifier evdev pointer catchall in the xorg.conf file and both the usb mouse and trackpoint get their buttons inverted as desired. However the touchpad buttons do not get inverted. I am using xorg.conf.d/ with the synaptics file: 10-synaptics.conf Section InputClass Identifier synaptics touchpad catchall Driver synaptics Option Protocol auto-dev Option HorizEdgeScroll true Option VertEdgeScroll true Option AutoServerLayout on EndSection which apparently needs to be read before the keyboard conf: 30-keyboard.conf Section InputClass Identifier evdev keyboard catchall MatchIsKeyboard on MatchDevicePath /dev/input/event* Driver evdev Option XkbOptions terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp Option AutoSeverLayout on EndSection otherwise my keyboard keybindings do not work. I have also tried the pointer InputClass outside the xorg.conf file, that is, inside the xorg.conf.d/ directory. As long as the 10-synaptics.conf file is read first, the keyboard config works so do the usb mouse and trackpoint (with inverted buttons). However so far I have not been able to get the touchpad buttons to be inverted. This is a minor thing I can deal with later. Thanks, -- Valmor which apparently does not work here. Last but not least, how do I get the good old ctrl-alt-backspace keybinding to kill X? You'll need to define this in the InputClass that deals with the keyboard: Section InputClass Identifier keyboard catchall Driver evdev MatchIsKeyboard on MatchDevicePath /dev/input/event* Option XkbLayout gb Option XkbOptions terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp EndSection HTH.
[gentoo-user] Re: help with xorg-server-1.9.4 and no hal; broken mouse/keyboard/X
On 02/19/2011 07:44 PM, Valmor de Almeida wrote: [...] I have just updated xorg to 1.9.4 with USE -hal and removed hal in this order (also needed to remove hal from the default run level). I tried startx using the existing xorg.conf and X does not start correctly, I have no mouse and a frozen screen (no keyboard) with the arrow cursor placed in the middle of the screen. I also tried to start X without an xorg.conf; same problem. Since you removed HAL support, did you enable udev support? emerge --depclean -vp Dependencies could not be completely resolved due to the following required packages not being installed: sys-apps/hal pulled in by: x11-drivers/xf86-input-synaptics-1.2.1 Check your package.use. Also try to unmerge xf86-input-synaptics and then emerge it again.
[gentoo-user] Re: help with xorg-server-1.9.4 and no hal; broken mouse/keyboard/X
On 02/19/2011 08:24 PM, Valmor de Almeida wrote: On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 1:03 PM, Nikos Chantziarasrea...@arcor.de wrote: On 02/19/2011 07:44 PM, Valmor de Almeida wrote: [...] I have just updated xorg to 1.9.4 with USE -hal and removed hal in this order (also needed to remove hal from the default run level). I tried startx using the existing xorg.conf and X does not start correctly, I have no mouse and a frozen screen (no keyboard) with the arrow cursor placed in the middle of the screen. I also tried to start X without an xorg.conf; same problem. Since you removed HAL support, did you enable udev support? I am not sure how to do this. Is it a matter of adding a USE=udev in /etc/make.conf ? It's a USE flag of xorg-server. emerge --depclean -vp Dependencies could not be completely resolved due to the following required packages not being installed: sys-apps/hal pulled in by: x11-drivers/xf86-input-synaptics-1.2.1 Check your package.use. Also try to unmerge xf86-input-synaptics and then emerge it again. Another check on my system shows: emerge --search xf86-input-synaptics Latest version available: 1.3.0 Latest version installed: 1.2.1 emerge --search xf86-input-evdev Latest version available: 2.6.0 Latest version available: 2.4.0 I don't emerge them directly. They are pulled in by xorg-drivers which I have re-emerged several times. xorg-drivers doesn't install files. It's only a meta-package. Don't know why the latest versions of the drivers don't get installed. Is this the way to force the update without recording into world: emerge --oneshot xf86-input-synaptics xf86-input-evdev The best way it to emerge -auDN world, like always.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help with xorg-server-1.9.4 and no hal; broken mouse/keyboard/X
Valmor de Almeida wrote: On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 1:03 PM, Nikos Chantziarasrea...@arcor.de wrote: On 02/19/2011 07:44 PM, Valmor de Almeida wrote: [...] I have just updated xorg to 1.9.4 with USE -hal and removed hal in this order (also needed to remove hal from the default run level). I tried startx using the existing xorg.conf and X does not start correctly, I have no mouse and a frozen screen (no keyboard) with the arrow cursor placed in the middle of the screen. I also tried to start X without an xorg.conf; same problem. Since you removed HAL support, did you enable udev support? I am not sure how to do this. Is it a matter of adding a USE=udev in /etc/make.conf ? SNIP Thanks, -- Valmor That's where mine is. Just add it and do a emerge -Na world to see what changes. Dale :-) :-)
[gentoo-user] Re: help with xorg-server-1.9.4 and no hal; broken mouse/keyboard/X
On 02/19/2011 08:32 PM, Dale wrote: Mark Knecht wrote: On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 9:44 AM, Valmor de Almeidaval.gen...@gmail.com wrote: [...] I have just updated xorg to 1.9.4 with USE -hal and removed hal in this order (also needed to remove hal from the default run level). I tried startx using the existing xorg.conf and X does not start correctly, I have no mouse and a frozen screen (no keyboard) with the arrow cursor placed in the middle of the screen. I also tried to start X without an xorg.conf; same problem. I'm guessing that you might need to use the older keyboard and mouse drivers instead of evdev. Just a guess though. As some already know, I removed hal a long time ago so basically you want a set up similar to mine now. This is in my make.conf: INPUT_DEVICES=keyboard mouse evdev Don't forget to enable udev as Mike suggested too. I put mine in the USE line. After all, about all hardware now uses udev to see hardware. You only need evdev. keyboard and mouse are deprecated drivers. They have bugs that no one appears to be fixing anymore.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help with xorg-server-1.9.4 and no hal; broken mouse/keyboard/X
On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 1:03 PM, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@arcor.de wrote: On 02/19/2011 07:44 PM, Valmor de Almeida wrote: [...] I have just updated xorg to 1.9.4 with USE -hal and removed hal in this order (also needed to remove hal from the default run level). I tried startx using the existing xorg.conf and X does not start correctly, I have no mouse and a frozen screen (no keyboard) with the arrow cursor placed in the middle of the screen. I also tried to start X without an xorg.conf; same problem. Since you removed HAL support, did you enable udev support? I am not sure how to do this. Is it a matter of adding a USE=udev in /etc/make.conf ? emerge --depclean -vp Dependencies could not be completely resolved due to the following required packages not being installed: sys-apps/hal pulled in by: x11-drivers/xf86-input-synaptics-1.2.1 Check your package.use. Also try to unmerge xf86-input-synaptics and then emerge it again. Another check on my system shows: emerge --search xf86-input-synaptics Latest version available: 1.3.0 Latest version installed: 1.2.1 emerge --search xf86-input-evdev Latest version available: 2.6.0 Latest version available: 2.4.0 I don't emerge them directly. They are pulled in by xorg-drivers which I have re-emerged several times. Don't know why the latest versions of the drivers don't get installed. Is this the way to force the update without recording into world: emerge --oneshot xf86-input-synaptics xf86-input-evdev Thanks, -- Valmor
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help with xorg-server-1.9.4 and no hal; broken mouse/keyboard/X
On 02/19/2011 01:24 PM, Valmor de Almeida wrote: On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 1:03 PM, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@arcor.de wrote: On 02/19/2011 07:44 PM, Valmor de Almeida wrote: [snip] emerge --depclean -vp Dependencies could not be completely resolved due to the following required packages not being installed: sys-apps/hal pulled in by: x11-drivers/xf86-input-synaptics-1.2.1 [snip] emerge --oneshot xf86-input-synaptics xf86-input-evdev This fixed the problem of hal being pulled in. -- Valmor Thanks, -- Valmor
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help with xorg-server-1.9.4 and no hal; broken mouse/keyboard/X
On 02/19/2011 01:46 PM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: [snip] INPUT_DEVICES=keyboard mouse evdev Don't forget to enable udev as Mike suggested too. I put mine in the USE line. After all, about all hardware now uses udev to see hardware. You only need evdev. keyboard and mouse are deprecated drivers. They have bugs that no one appears to be fixing anymore. I am only using evdev and finally got my X Window server working fine. Need to do some fine tuning to get a left-hand mouse working. Amazing that the mouse pad works and so does the mouse pointing keyboard stick. There is little from hal to clean up. Apparently only the /etc/hal directory with some policy files were left there since they did not belong to hal originally. Thanks for the help. This was less painful than I thought. However it exposed a internet connection problem. I am using wicd for wireless and wired internet config. This laptop happened to be in a place where no wired internet is available. Since I use the wicd-client X config utility I was not able to connect to the internet while X was down. There is a wicd-cli but the man page is empty. I guess I will have to get some info on how to use wicd-cli on an emergency like this. -- Valmor
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help with xorg-server-1.9.4 and no hal; broken mouse/keyboard/X
Nikos Chantziaras wrote: You only need evdev. keyboard and mouse are deprecated drivers. They have bugs that no one appears to be fixing anymore. I been wondering about that but never saw emerge complain so I left it in there, after all, it is working so why try to fix it. I'll remove that since it isn't needed and buggy. Thanks for the update. Dale :-) :-)
[gentoo-user] Re: help with xorg-server-1.9.4 and no hal; broken mouse/keyboard/X
On 02/19/2011 10:14 PM, Mark Knecht wrote: On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 10:46 AM, Nikos Chantziarasrea...@arcor.de wrote: On 02/19/2011 08:32 PM, Dale wrote: Mark Knecht wrote: SNIP Don't forget to enable udev as Mike suggested too. I put mine in the USE line. After all, about all hardware now uses udev to see hardware. You only need evdev. keyboard and mouse are deprecated drivers. They have bugs that no one appears to be fixing anymore. That's good to know. As I said, I was guessing. I'll remove them from my setup. Should I be enabling udev globally in make.conf? I'm currently not. I do have it on xorg-server so I'm not seeing the OP's issue, but I never wanted to get into making my own udev rules. I can only comment on what individual packages do with the udev flag. I can't possibly know what each and every package in portage does when udev is enabled globally :-/
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help with xorg-server-1.9.4 and no hal; broken mouse/keyboard/X
On 02/19/2011 03:41 PM, Mark Knecht wrote: On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 12:35 PM, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@arcor.de wrote: On 02/19/2011 10:14 PM, Mark Knecht wrote: SNIP Should I be enabling udev globally in make.conf? I'm currently not. I do have it on xorg-server so I'm not seeing the OP's issue, but I never wanted to get into making my own udev rules. I can only comment on what individual packages do with the udev flag. I can't possibly know what each and every package in portage does when udev is enabled globally :-/ Of course. At the time I really meant the question to ask what people are doing. On my machines currently the only package with a udev flag is xorg-server so it's easy. Cheers, Mark I enabled the udev flag in make.conf and after emerge --pretend --verbose --newuse --update --tree --with-bdeps=y world Only vlc needed to be reemerged. Apparently the udev flag was already set for xorg-server. -- Valmor
[gentoo-user] Re: help with xorg-server-1.9.4 and no hal; broken mouse/keyboard/X
On 02/19/2011 10:41 PM, Mark Knecht wrote: On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 12:35 PM, Nikos Chantziarasrea...@arcor.de wrote: On 02/19/2011 10:14 PM, Mark Knecht wrote: SNIP Should I be enabling udev globally in make.conf? I'm currently not. I do have it on xorg-server so I'm not seeing the OP's issue, but I never wanted to get into making my own udev rules. I can only comment on what individual packages do with the udev flag. I can't possibly know what each and every package in portage does when udev is enabled globally :-/ Of course. At the time I really meant the question to ask what people are doing. On my machines currently the only package with a udev flag is xorg-server so it's easy. If you don't have udev in make.conf, you can usually do: USE=udev emerge -pDN world and see which packages that have a currently disabled udev USE flag this triggers. You can then investigate each package to see what it does with udev. Of course this works for all USE flags. The reverse also works (USE=-udev). Or, simply pay attention whenever you emerge something or update world, and examine the USE flags of the packages :-) Unfortunately though, many ebuild maintainers don't document their USE flags, so in those cases you can't tell what a package does with a USE flag without looking at the documentation for that package. Imagine the python USE flag for example. It's impossible to tell what it does most of the time. There are many other such examples. Also note that sometimes udev is enabled by default (in the ebuild itself) for some packages; this is mostly done when this is recommended by upstream or simply works better with it.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help with xorg-server-1.9.4 and no hal; broken mouse/keyboard/X
On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 10:46 AM, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@arcor.de wrote: On 02/19/2011 08:32 PM, Dale wrote: Mark Knecht wrote: SNIP Don't forget to enable udev as Mike suggested too. I put mine in the USE line. After all, about all hardware now uses udev to see hardware. You only need evdev. keyboard and mouse are deprecated drivers. They have bugs that no one appears to be fixing anymore. That's good to know. As I said, I was guessing. I'll remove them from my setup. Should I be enabling udev globally in make.conf? I'm currently not. I do have it on xorg-server so I'm not seeing the OP's issue, but I never wanted to get into making my own udev rules. Thanks, Mark
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help with xorg-server-1.9.4 and no hal; broken mouse/keyboard/X
On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 12:35 PM, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@arcor.de wrote: On 02/19/2011 10:14 PM, Mark Knecht wrote: SNIP Should I be enabling udev globally in make.conf? I'm currently not. I do have it on xorg-server so I'm not seeing the OP's issue, but I never wanted to get into making my own udev rules. I can only comment on what individual packages do with the udev flag. I can't possibly know what each and every package in portage does when udev is enabled globally :-/ Of course. At the time I really meant the question to ask what people are doing. On my machines currently the only package with a udev flag is xorg-server so it's easy. Cheers, Mark
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help with xorg-server-1.9.4 and no hal; broken mouse/keyboard/X
On Saturday 19 February 2011 20:41:42 Mark Knecht wrote: On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 12:35 PM, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@arcor.de wrote: On 02/19/2011 10:14 PM, Mark Knecht wrote: SNIP Should I be enabling udev globally in make.conf? I'm currently not. I do have it on xorg-server so I'm not seeing the OP's issue, but I never wanted to get into making my own udev rules. I can only comment on what individual packages do with the udev flag. I can't possibly know what each and every package in portage does when udev is enabled globally :-/ Of course. At the time I really meant the question to ask what people are doing. On my machines currently the only package with a udev flag is xorg-server so it's easy. On two laptops of mine evdev causes untold confusion with the touchpad and second language selection for the keyboard. I *have* to use the synaptics and keyboard input drivers. I'm also using mouse (because it doesn't hurt I guess). I tried of course to remove them all and leave evdev initially, but it all went horribly wrong. Perhaps evdev will catch up eventually, I just hope synaptics and keyboard don't default into being deprecated before then. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help with xorg-server-1.9.4 and no hal; broken mouse/keyboard/X
On 02/19/2011 06:59 PM, Mick wrote: [snip] On two laptops of mine evdev causes untold confusion with the touchpad and second language selection for the keyboard. I *have* to use the synaptics and keyboard input drivers. I'm also using mouse (because it doesn't hurt I guess). I tried of course to remove them all and leave evdev initially, but it all went horribly wrong. Perhaps evdev will catch up eventually, I just hope synaptics and keyboard don't default into being deprecated before then. I am using evdev and synaptics only on a thinkpad t201. Without an xorg.conf, all works including when I connect an usb mouse. However I am trying to configure the touchpad, trackpoint and extended buttons to work as left-hand; that is I would like to have the 3 buttons reversed. I have not been lucky so far. In fact I've read on the web about some new (relative to xorg 1.7) syntax for the xorg.conf file. Does anyone know about a site with humanly friendly information on how to write a modern xorg.conf file? In addition to the devices I mentioned above I am also trying to setup an external monitor as a hotplug virtual screen. For instance, things like this do not work: Section InputClass Identifier TouchPad MatchIsTouchpad on Driver synaptics #Option SHMConfig on Option VertTwoFingerScroll on EndSection In the past I used Option ButtonMapping 3 2 1 which apparently does not work here. Last but not least, how do I get the good old ctrl-alt-backspace keybinding to kill X? Thanks, -- Valmor
