On 2012-11-12 2:33 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote:
My experience is that all so-called primitive societies have an
excellent grasp of this thing called manners - it's the oil that
lubricates social interaction.
Interestingly enough this is most likely due to the principle of
On Tuesday, November 13, 2012 06:26:40 PM Hilco Wijbenga wrote:
On 13 November 2012 15:08, Volker Armin Hemmann
volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote:
snip
look at the message code of the mail Crok reacted to and compare it with
some others - even by you. List-id and other things are
Am Montag, 12. November 2012, 02:37:13 schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés:
On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 2:20 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 20:17:50 -0600
Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 7:57 PM, Alan McKinnon
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 12:26 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann
volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote:
Am Montag, 12. November 2012, 02:37:13 schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés:
On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 2:20 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 20:17:50 -0600
Canek Peláez Valdés
On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 12:30:57 -0600
Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 12:26 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann
volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote:
Am Montag, 12. November 2012, 02:37:13 schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés:
On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 2:20 AM, Alan McKinnon
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 10:26:18PM +0100, Cr0k wrote:
Hello,
Can't you answer correctly to the mailing lists? Each one of your mails goes
into my standard Mailbox, while I did a rule to make it goes to a gentoo-user
folder...
Thanks.
--
Cr0k crok.r...@gmail.com
Can you learn to
On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 15:45:11 -0600
Bruce Hill da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote:
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 10:26:18PM +0100, Cr0k wrote:
Hello,
Can't you answer correctly to the mailing lists? Each one of your
mails goes into my standard Mailbox, while I did a rule to make it
Am Dienstag, 13. November 2012, 15:45:11 schrieb Bruce Hill:
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 10:26:18PM +0100, Cr0k wrote:
Hello,
Can't you answer correctly to the mailing lists? Each one of your mails
goes into my standard Mailbox, while I did a rule to make it goes to a
gentoo-user folder...
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 4:51 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann
volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote:
Am Dienstag, 13. November 2012, 15:45:11 schrieb Bruce Hill:
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 10:26:18PM +0100, Cr0k wrote:
Hello,
Can't you answer correctly to the mailing lists? Each one of your mails
goes
Am Dienstag, 13. November 2012, 16:57:14 schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés:
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 4:51 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann
volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote:
Am Dienstag, 13. November 2012, 15:45:11 schrieb Bruce Hill:
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 10:26:18PM +0100, Cr0k wrote:
Hello,
On 13 November 2012 15:08, Volker Armin Hemmann
volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote:
Am Dienstag, 13. November 2012, 16:57:14 schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés:
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 4:51 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann
volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote:
Am Dienstag, 13. November 2012, 15:45:11 schrieb
On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 20:17:50 -0600
Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 7:57 PM, Alan McKinnon
alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: [snip]
In trying to solve a general problem, Lennart has a knack for
breaking Gentoo - this distro does not fit the general problems
On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 2:20 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 20:17:50 -0600
Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 7:57 PM, Alan McKinnon
alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: [snip]
In trying to solve a general problem, Lennart has
On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 23:21:06 -0600, Bruce Hill wrote:
If we also stick to helping someone with their problem, and refrain from
replying about how bad or useless we think an app or ideal might be to
us, we could avoid flame wars.
Unfortunately, there are times when it is necessary to point out
On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 02:37:13 -0600
Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 2:20 AM, Alan McKinnon
alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 20:17:50 -0600
Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 7:57 PM, Alan McKinnon
Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 23:21:06 -0600, Bruce Hill wrote:
If we also stick to helping someone with their problem, and refrain from
replying about how bad or useless we think an app or ideal might be to
us, we could avoid flame wars.
Unfortunately, there are times when it
On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 09:37:03AM +, Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 23:21:06 -0600, Bruce Hill wrote:
If we also stick to helping someone with their problem, and refrain from
replying about how bad or useless we think an app or ideal might be to
us, we could avoid flame
On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 20:17:50 -0600 Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote:
Oh, really? Didn't get the memo. I suppose all my machines (laptops,
desktops, servers and media center) running with Gentoo+systemd (and
what is more, *without* OpenRC) are a fidget of my imagination.
fidget
On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 05:59:39 -0600, Bruce Hill wrote:
On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 09:37:03AM +, Neil Bothwick wrote:
Unfortunately, there are times when it is necessary to point out how
bad an idea is in order to help someone. Recent example: the
suggestion to use dd to copy one drive to
On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 12:28:52PM +, Neil Bothwick wrote:
snip
--
Neil Bothwick
Duly noted and appreciated ... thank you.
--
Happy Penguin Computers ')
126 Fenco Drive ( \
Tupelo, MS 38801 ^^
supp...@happypenguincomputers.com
Am Sonntag, 11. November 2012, 18:24:32 schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés:
On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 5:33 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 21:32:41 +0800
微蔡 micro...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
在 2012年11月11日 星期日 07:22:41，Bruce Hill 写道：
On Sun, Nov 11, 2012
On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 3:36 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote:
[huge snip]
But all of this is a side issue anyway. The main thrust of my post was
that some software and developers have a tendency to get tempers riled
up around here (remember /usr, separate volumes and initrd?)
On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 6:09 AM, Bruce Hill
da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote:
On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 20:17:50 -0600 Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com
wrote:
Oh, really? Didn't get the memo. I suppose all my machines (laptops,
desktops, servers and media center) running with
On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 5:59 AM, Bruce Hill
da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote:
[snip]
This person doing post-grad work in a Mexican universtiy well understands.
But even if you doubt that, just reference his remark: I hope it doesn't
offend anyone. That was not (nor is) the intention. Seems
On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 11:29 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann
volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote:
[snip]
Seniority != meritocracy. And I don't know how much meritocratic
this list could be, since it is a users lists. The most merit a
member of this list can get is to give technically acurate,
On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 12:21:06 -0600
Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 11:29 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann
volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote:
[snip]
Seniority != meritocracy. And I don't know how much meritocratic
this list could be, since it is a users lists. The
On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 05:59:39 -0600
Bruce Hill da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote:
my experience has been that even most heathen in
remote villages understand propriety.
My experience is that all so-called primitive societies have an
excellent grasp of this thing called manners - it's the
On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 12:21:06 -0600
Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 11:29 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann
volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote:
[snip]
Seniority != meritocracy. And I don't
On 10/11/12 00:53, walt wrote:
[...]
You Lennart haters out there (and I was one of you not so long ago ;)
now I think he's not so bad after all.
I'll like systemd when I can just emerge it and have it working, just
like I can with OpenRC :-)
Am Sonntag, 11. November 2012, 15:33:15 schrieb 微蔡:
在 2012年11月10日 星期六 20:56:45，pk 写道：
On 2012-11-10 03:03, walt wrote:
:) systemd is coming whether you or I like it or not so I'm trying to
stay a bit ahead of the tsunami, that's all.
Yes, systemd may be coming and may even
在 2012年11月11日 星期日 12:09:46，Volker Armin Hemmann 写道：
Am Sonntag, 11. November 2012, 15:33:15 schrieb 微蔡:
在 2012年11月10日 星期六 20:56:45，pk 写道：
On 2012-11-10 03:03, walt wrote:
:) systemd is coming whether you or I like it or not so I'm trying to
stay a bit ahead of the tsunami,
On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 11:09 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann
volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote:
Am Sonntag, 11. November 2012, 15:33:15 schrieb 微蔡:
在 2012年11月10日 星期六 20:56:45，pk 写道：
byebye haters . Comunitiy doesn't need people like you.
You maybe paid by some Linux hate company to
On 2012-11-11 08:33, 微蔡 wrote:
byebye haters . Comunitiy doesn't need people like you.
Ah, instead of a rational explanation of what kind of problem systemd
solves for me you conclude: I'm a hater?... Well, I do hate solutions
looking for problems to solve, especially where there are none to
On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 20:03:33 +0800, 微蔡 wrote:
sorry about that. different sulotion is good, but *hate* is bad.
because when you do some techical decisions , *hate* will lead to
wrong decisions.
Which is why we were doing fine here until *you* introduced hate into the
thread.
--
Neil
Am Sonntag, 11. November 2012, 20:03:33 schrieb 微蔡:
在 2012年11月11日 星期日 12:09:46，Volker Armin Hemmann 写道：
Am Sonntag, 11. November 2012, 15:33:15 schrieb 微蔡:
在 2012年11月10日 星期六 20:56:45，pk 写道：
On 2012-11-10 03:03, walt wrote:
:) systemd is coming whether you or I like it or not
在 2012年11月11日 星期日 13:28:35，pk 写道：
On 2012-11-11 08:33, 微蔡 wrote:
byebye haters . Comunitiy doesn't need people like you.
Ah, instead of a rational explanation of what kind of problem systemd
solves for me you conclude: I'm a hater?... Well, I do hate solutions
looking for problems to
On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 01:49:03PM +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
hate is a natural reaction if something you don't need and don't want is
forced upon you. If it is also based on lies, hate is a valid reaction. A lot
of people don't need nor want pulseaudio or systemd. Now it is forced
在 2012年11月11日 星期日 07:22:41，Bruce Hill 写道：
On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 01:49:03PM +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
hate is a natural reaction if something you don't need and don't want is
forced upon you. If it is also based on lies, hate is a valid reaction. A
lot of people don't need nor
On 2012-11-11 13:24, Jorge Almeida wrote:
or later, but isn't it a nice coincidence that this perl is a product of the
same totalitarian mindset that is determined to poison Linux?
Can't we just calm down and try to be reasonably nice? I really didn't
intend to start a flame war here... I just
On 2012-11-11 13:52, 微蔡 wrote:
ok , then why hate systemd ? you seems to hate systemd with no reason.
This is my last reply to this thread. I dislike systemd, for the reasons
I've already stated. Please re-read my responses if you want to know why
I dislike systemd. What I do _hate_ is being
On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 1:38 PM, pk pete...@coolmail.se wrote:
On 2012-11-11 13:24, Jorge Almeida wrote:
or later, but isn't it a nice coincidence that this perl is a product of the
same totalitarian mindset that is determined to poison Linux?
Can't we just calm down and try to be reasonably
Am Sonntag, 11. November 2012, 21:32:41 schrieb 微蔡:
在 2012年11月11日 星期日 07:22:41，Bruce Hill 写道：
On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 01:49:03PM +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
hate is a natural reaction if something you don't need and don't want is
forced upon you. If it is also based on lies, hate
在 2012年11月11日 星期日 13:59:50，Jorge Almeida 写道：
On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 1:38 PM, pk pete...@coolmail.se wrote:
On 2012-11-11 13:24, Jorge Almeida wrote:
or later, but isn't it a nice coincidence that this perl is a product of
the same totalitarian mindset that is determined to poison Linux?
On Nov 11, 2012 9:22 PM, 微蔡 micro...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
在 2012年11月11日 星期日 13:59:50，Jorge Almeida 写道：
On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 1:38 PM, pk pete...@coolmail.se wrote:
On 2012-11-11 13:24, Jorge Almeida wrote:
or later, but isn't it a nice coincidence that this perl is a
product of
On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 21:32:41 +0800
微蔡 micro...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
在 2012年11月11日 星期日 07:22:41，Bruce Hill 写道：
On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 01:49:03PM +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann
wrote:
hate is a natural reaction if something you don't need and don't
want is forced upon you. If it is
On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 01:33:21 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
Just trying to establish your place in the pecking order in this here
meritocracy.
I think the OP has already done that with his previous posts.
Or are you worried that he's after your attitude stripes? :P
--
Neil Bothwick
Life is
Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 01:33:21 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
Just trying to establish your place in the pecking order in this here
meritocracy.
I think the OP has already done that with his previous posts.
Or are you worried that he's after your attitude stripes? :P
I'm
On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 5:33 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 21:32:41 +0800
微蔡 micro...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
在 2012年11月11日 星期日 07:22:41，Bruce Hill 写道：
On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 01:49:03PM +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann
wrote:
hate is a natural
On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 00:03:38 +
Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote:
On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 01:33:21 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
Just trying to establish your place in the pecking order in this
here meritocracy.
I think the OP has already done that with his previous posts.
Or are
On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 6:24 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote:
[snip]
It's completely relevant.
I meant irrelevant, of course.
Regards.
--
Canek Peláez Valdés
Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación
Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 18:24:32 -0600
Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote:
Which is
easily explained by people like you that believe that being around
longer somehow gives more merit and that there is a pecking order.
slow down there a little bit please
I don't really think it's me
On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 06:24:32PM -0600, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 5:33 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
wrote:
Say Dude,
I have a question (well, two actually)
My name is Alan and I've been subscribed on this list for 7 years.
What's your
On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 6:56 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 18:24:32 -0600
Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote:
Which is
easily explained by people like you that believe that being around
longer somehow gives more merit and that there is a pecking
On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 7:06 PM, Bruce Hill
da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote:
[snip]
Other than your use of profanity, that post was worth making a sticky.
I try not to use profanity most of the time. In this particular case,
I believe it was appropriate since, really, who the FUCK cares if
On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 07:14:29PM -0600, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 7:06 PM, Bruce Hill
da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote:
[snip]
Other than your use of profanity, that post was worth making a sticky.
I try not to use profanity most of the time. In this
On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 7:28 PM, Bruce Hill
da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote:
[snip]
It offends me.
That's too bad. In public mailing lists profanity happens a lot. I
suggest you not to read LKML; Linus is famous for his outbursts: you
probably would get offended a lot.
Regards.
--
Canek
On Sunday 11 November 2012 12:28:35 pk wrote:
... Well, I do hate solutions looking for problems to solve,
Not wishing to hijack the thread, but have you thought about lasers?
--
Rgds
Peter
On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 19:06:37 -0600
Bruce Hill da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote:
Other than your use of profanity, that post was worth making a sticky.
Over the last 9 years I've subscribed/unsubscribed to a good number
of lists. The first such abuse of others was A.O.L.S. -- yes, you
On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 7:57 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote:
[snip]
In trying to solve a general problem, Lennart has a knack for breaking
Gentoo - this distro does not fit the general problems he works on.
Oh, really? Didn't get the memo. I suppose all my machines (laptops,
Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 7:28 PM, Bruce Hill
da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote:
[snip]
It offends me.
That's too bad. In public mailing lists profanity happens a lot. I
suggest you not to read LKML; Linus is famous for his outbursts: you
probably would get
On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 8:36 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
[snip]
If you are not a religious person, then fine, some of us are. It
doesn't mean we can't still respect each other and be a better place
than the LKML.
I'm atheists, and I don't see any relation between being or not a
Re
509F99F3.7060405@coolmail.se509F99F3.7060405@coolmail.se2592463.C9mGjqLMLj@gentook7k1hn$ce6$1...@ger.gmane.org,
Peter Humphrey said:
Not wishing to hijack the thread, but have you thought about lasers?
Light sabers are the future, dude!
-- Keith
--
--
Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
If you don't like it, feel free to filter me, ignore me, or wathever
course of action you think you should take. I will not censor myself
just to placate the sensibilities of someone. Regards.
First time in over eight years that I have had to do this. So sad. It
On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 07:50:04PM -0600, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 7:28 PM, Bruce Hill
da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote:
[snip]
It offends me.
That's too bad. In public mailing lists profanity happens a lot. I
suggest you not to read LKML; Linus is famous
On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 09:02:18PM -0600, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
I'm atheists, and I don't see any relation between being or not a
religious person, using profanity, or that we respect each other. The
three of them are orthogonal, I think.
I try to respect every member of this list. To
On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 03:57:52AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
FWIW, swearing here is rare. Usually it's understandable when it
happens.
Threads like this current one are also rare. Unfortunately of late they
usually involve Lennart, and that's understandable too:
In trying to solve a
Bruce Hill wrote:
On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 03:57:52AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
FWIW, swearing here is rare. Usually it's understandable when it
happens.
Threads like this current one are also rare. Unfortunately of late they
usually involve Lennart, and that's understandable too:
In
On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 11:12 PM, Bruce Hill
da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote:
On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 07:50:04PM -0600, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 7:28 PM, Bruce Hill
da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote:
[snip]
It offends me.
That's too bad. In public
On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 11:16 PM, Bruce Hill
da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote:
On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 09:02:18PM -0600, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
I'm atheists, and I don't see any relation between being or not a
religious person, using profanity, or that we respect each other. The
On 2012-11-10 03:03, walt wrote:
:) systemd is coming whether you or I like it or not so I'm trying to
stay a bit ahead of the tsunami, that's all.
Yes, systemd may be coming and may even become mandatory for the Linux
kernel (given it's marriage with udev). when that comes, I'd rather go
在 2012年11月10日 星期六 20:56:45，pk 写道：
On 2012-11-10 03:03, walt wrote:
:) systemd is coming whether you or I like it or not so I'm trying to
stay a bit ahead of the tsunami, that's all.
Yes, systemd may be coming and may even become mandatory for
the Linux
kernel (given it's marriage
On 11/09/2012 03:13 PM, pk wrote:
On 2012-11-09 23:53, walt wrote:
You Lennart haters out there (and I was one of you not so long ago ;)
now I think he's not so bad after all. He just doesn't know yet how to
explain things properly to old farts.
Good for you. I really don't see the point in
On 11/09/2012 06:30 PM, Dale wrote:
Me, if I was going to switch, I'd use a second install or copy my
current install to another partition, just in case I can't get around
that curve. ;-)
Heh, you didn't think I started with my real machine, right? I've spent the
last week rebooting a
walt wrote:
On 11/09/2012 06:30 PM, Dale wrote:
Me, if I was going to switch, I'd use a second install or copy my
current install to another partition, just in case I can't get around
that curve. ;-)
Heh, you didn't think I started with my real machine, right? I've
spent the last week
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