[gentoo-user] Re: OT: Linus ranting about Gnome3
On 06/16/2012 12:01 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 1:27 PM, walt w41...@gmail.com wrote: FWIW, I recently tried Windows 8 beta (on virtualbox, of course) and I found it unusable. Why? Because they are rushing to catch up with gnome3. Their new desktop looks very much like a smartphone. I guess they figure the desktop will be extinct relatively soon and their customer base will vanish unless they capture the smartphone market. Or they realized that the old users doesn't really matter, because what is important is the younger generation being raised using smartphones and tablets, and which play with Wii, Xbox Kinect or PS3 Move. That's the important market, and the future. BTW, using GNOME 3 for more than one year in my laptop and desktop, and I love it. I also want a tablet with it. Well, now it becomes clear. I just read that MS has officially released Surface, its new Win8-powered tablet.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: Linus ranting about Gnome3
On Sun, 17 Jun 2012 03:13:50 +0200 Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: Am Samstag, 16. Juni 2012, 19:06:30 schrieb Michael Mol: On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 6:56 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: Am Samstag, 16. Juni 2012, 23:12:48 schrieb Alan McKinnon: On Sun, 17 Jun 2012 00:00:04 +0300 Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com wrote: On 16/06/12 21:27, walt wrote: I guess they figure the desktop will be extinct relatively soon and their customer base will vanish unless they capture the smartphone market. Ah yes, the death of the desktop PC, which is happening for 15 years now. Are we dead yet? Fine comment. Yes indeed, Microsoft's *real* cash cow - millions of corporate desktops running $LATEST_WINDOWS and $LATEST_OFFICE are all going to die out inthe next year. Not. and in corporate speak that means Windows XP and Office 2003/2007 because they work, they don't get in the way of doing things, the people are trained and nobody needs to smudge around on the screen, The most effective way I can imagine for keeping me on-task: Force me to use a Windows XP workstation. I won't be using _any_ personal credentials through the web browser or any other part of the system. I'm not taking that risk on a post-support version of Windows. win xp is still supported. have you ever dealt with 'standard office workers'? No, I haven't much. I refuse to deal with such people (because if I have to they produce a reaction in me that gets me fired...) But I have dealt with the tools they use They want to use the same tools every freaking day. You must mean the typical corporate bespoke app. You know the ones - the apps that wraps the company's entire business logic and makes business possible. Now these apps are atrocious. The worst of the worst you will ever find in the Android App Store is a beautiful model of efficiency compared to the best bespoke corporate app out there. The buttons go in the weirdest places. The workflow is bizarre. They tend to make no bloody sense at all. But people have gotten used to the save button in the lower left corner where it cannot be found, and changing that crashes the entire business process for a week. If anyone thinks I'm kidding, I assure you I am not. The icons on the same place. The menu items unchanged. The smallest change throws them off balance. Going from one office version to another - like 2000-2003 is a disaster. And while 20072010 are superior in every regard these people are helpless if you confront them with such drastic changes. And an Office upgrade is a slick easy one to do. If Office upgrades cause such havoc, imagine what changing the bespoke stuff does Now imagine an update to vista, win7 or win8 Not everybody is a computer geek. -- Alan McKinnnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
[gentoo-user] Re: OT: Linus ranting about Gnome3
On 17/06/12 22:12, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 12:57 PM, Alecks Gates aleck...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 5:31 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: Am Freitag, 15. Juni 2012, 23:57:26 schrieb Pandu Poluan: Just in case anyone missed it: https://plus.google.com/102150693225130002912/posts/UkoAaLDpF4I Rgds, reeading that and this thread: as a kde user it is refreshing to see that gnome3 is worse than KDE 4.0 I hope all those arrogant gnome users who could not shut up back then are covering in some corner and crying in mental pain and humiliation. -- #163933 I must be really special since I'm completely productive and happy with Gnome 3 . . . . Haven't you heard? Those of us who like GNOME 3 are nothing but fanbois. Sorry to break the news to you; I didn't know either, and it was also a shock to me. I'm trying to live now a regular life knowing that I'm just a fanboi, but I suppose it's hard, since we obviously don't know what the hell are we doing if we like such a gigantic mess like GNOME 3 is. (I *really* think I should not have the need to said this, but just to cover all the bases: All of the above is sarcasm.) Regards. People using Gnome don't need to get upset because a website posts a review where KDE wins, or a high-profile community member like Torvalds bashes it. Gnome sucks. It sucks really, really bad. But this is only the opinion of the one writing that statement. Like fortune cookie told me when I logged in today: Opinions are like assholes -- everyone's got one, but nobody wants to look at the other guy's. -- Hal Hickman
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: Linus ranting about Gnome3
On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 4:09 PM, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com wrote: On 17/06/12 22:12, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 12:57 PM, Alecks Gates aleck...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 5:31 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: Am Freitag, 15. Juni 2012, 23:57:26 schrieb Pandu Poluan: Just in case anyone missed it: https://plus.google.com/102150693225130002912/posts/UkoAaLDpF4I Rgds, reeading that and this thread: as a kde user it is refreshing to see that gnome3 is worse than KDE 4.0 I hope all those arrogant gnome users who could not shut up back then are covering in some corner and crying in mental pain and humiliation. -- #163933 I must be really special since I'm completely productive and happy with Gnome 3 . . . . Haven't you heard? Those of us who like GNOME 3 are nothing but fanbois. Sorry to break the news to you; I didn't know either, and it was also a shock to me. I'm trying to live now a regular life knowing that I'm just a fanboi, but I suppose it's hard, since we obviously don't know what the hell are we doing if we like such a gigantic mess like GNOME 3 is. (I *really* think I should not have the need to said this, but just to cover all the bases: All of the above is sarcasm.) Regards. People using Gnome don't need to get upset because a website posts a review where KDE wins, or a high-profile community member like Torvalds bashes it. Gnome sucks. It sucks really, really bad. But this is only the opinion of the one writing that statement. Like fortune cookie told me when I logged in today: Opinions are like assholes -- everyone's got one, but nobody wants to look at the other guy's. -- Hal Hickman As near as I can tell, it's not the GNOME users that are upset but rather the people bashing it. It's almost like reverse trolling... I can just sit here and nod my head while someone complains all day long! If you don't like it, fine. Don't get yourself upset over it, not that you, personally, are getting upset.
[gentoo-user] Re: OT: Linus ranting about Gnome3
FWIW, I recently tried Windows 8 beta (on virtualbox, of course) and I found it unusable. Why? Because they are rushing to catch up with gnome3. Their new desktop looks very much like a smartphone. I guess they figure the desktop will be extinct relatively soon and their customer base will vanish unless they capture the smartphone market.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: Linus ranting about Gnome3
On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 1:27 PM, walt w41...@gmail.com wrote: FWIW, I recently tried Windows 8 beta (on virtualbox, of course) and I found it unusable. Why? Because they are rushing to catch up with gnome3. Their new desktop looks very much like a smartphone. I guess they figure the desktop will be extinct relatively soon and their customer base will vanish unless they capture the smartphone market. Or they realized that the old users doesn't really matter, because what is important is the younger generation being raised using smartphones and tablets, and which play with Wii, Xbox Kinect or PS3 Move. That's the important market, and the future. BTW, using GNOME 3 for more than one year in my laptop and desktop, and I love it. I also want a tablet with it. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
[gentoo-user] Re: OT: Linus ranting about Gnome3
On 16/06/12 21:27, walt wrote: I guess they figure the desktop will be extinct relatively soon and their customer base will vanish unless they capture the smartphone market. Ah yes, the death of the desktop PC, which is happening for 15 years now. Are we dead yet?
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: Linus ranting about Gnome3
On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com wrote: On 16/06/12 21:27, walt wrote: I guess they figure the desktop will be extinct relatively soon and their customer base will vanish unless they capture the smartphone market. Ah yes, the death of the desktop PC, which is happening for 15 years now. Who said anything about it dying? Are we dead yet? No, we are avolving. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: Linus ranting about Gnome3
On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 5:00 PM, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com wrote: On 16/06/12 21:27, walt wrote: I guess they figure the desktop will be extinct relatively soon and their customer base will vanish unless they capture the smartphone market. Ah yes, the death of the desktop PC, which is happening for 15 years now. Are we dead yet? I'm not holding my breath. There will always be a divide for the power users. A single, under-powered interface isn't going to cut it for a lot of us. X provides us with the flexibility that isn't available with the mobile interface.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: Linus ranting about Gnome3
On Sun, 17 Jun 2012 00:00:04 +0300 Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com wrote: On 16/06/12 21:27, walt wrote: I guess they figure the desktop will be extinct relatively soon and their customer base will vanish unless they capture the smartphone market. Ah yes, the death of the desktop PC, which is happening for 15 years now. Are we dead yet? Fine comment. Yes indeed, Microsoft's *real* cash cow - millions of corporate desktops running $LATEST_WINDOWS and $LATEST_OFFICE are all going to die out inthe next year. Not. -- Alan McKinnnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: Linus ranting about Gnome3
On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 5:10 PM, Matthew Finkel matthew.fin...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 5:00 PM, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com wrote: On 16/06/12 21:27, walt wrote: I guess they figure the desktop will be extinct relatively soon and their customer base will vanish unless they capture the smartphone market. Ah yes, the death of the desktop PC, which is happening for 15 years now. Are we dead yet? I'm not holding my breath. There will always be a divide for the power users. A single, under-powered interface isn't going to cut it for a lot of us. X provides us with the flexibility that isn't available with the mobile interface. Even in the Microsoft world, I can't easily imagine them ditching the old UI paradigm for their Windows Server products. They've come a long way in making Windows CLI-friendly (see PowerShell), but they haven't yet (AFAIK) provided a good mechanism for remote CLI access. Not that they won't be able to bolt one in easily enough; CSRSS means they should be able to provide, e.g. an SSH daemon, give the connecting user a PowerShell login session[1], and give it equal privileges and security controls as they have for any other login session. [1] A 'screen' workalike would be useful, but I don't know how quickly they'll jump on that. -- :wq
[gentoo-user] Re: OT: Linus ranting about Gnome3
On 06/16/2012 02:12 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Sun, 17 Jun 2012 00:00:04 +0300 Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com wrote: On 16/06/12 21:27, walt wrote: I guess they figure the desktop will be extinct relatively soon and their customer base will vanish unless they capture the smartphone market. Ah yes, the death of the desktop PC, which is happening for 15 years now. Are we dead yet? Fine comment. Yes indeed, Microsoft's *real* cash cow - millions of corporate desktops running $LATEST_WINDOWS and $LATEST_OFFICE are all going to die out in the next year. Not. True enough. I'm forced to live in exactly that environment at work. A couple of years ago some beancounters discovered that the City of Los Angeles could save $BIG-MONEY by dumping MS and switching to the for-profit version of google docs. That caused a big stink over security and reliability, naturally, but in the end the beancounters won the argument. Corporations got beancounters too, ya know ;)
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: Linus ranting about Gnome3
On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 5:30 PM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 5:10 PM, Matthew Finkel matthew.fin...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 5:00 PM, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com wrote: On 16/06/12 21:27, walt wrote: I guess they figure the desktop will be extinct relatively soon and their customer base will vanish unless they capture the smartphone market. Ah yes, the death of the desktop PC, which is happening for 15 years now. Are we dead yet? I'm not holding my breath. There will always be a divide for the power users. A single, under-powered interface isn't going to cut it for a lot of us. X provides us with the flexibility that isn't available with the mobile interface. Even in the Microsoft world, I can't easily imagine them ditching the old UI paradigm for their Windows Server products. They've come a long way in making Windows CLI-friendly (see PowerShell), but they haven't yet (AFAIK) provided a good mechanism for remote CLI access. True, and they've been working hard to get it to the state it is in now. In many cases, sys admins have had to unlearn relying on their mouse for complete power. The CLI provides options that are, obviously, very difficult to express in a simple GUI (I know I'm preaching to the choir). Powershell has made huge progress in this respect, but it still has a long way to go in order to compete with what we have. And I doubt the server environment would ever become stripped down to the state we're talking about. Not that they won't be able to bolt one in easily enough; CSRSS means they should be able to provide, e.g. an SSH daemon, give the connecting user a PowerShell login session[1], and give it equal privileges and security controls as they have for any other login session. How many years have they had? I'd given up on this years ago.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: Linus ranting about Gnome3
Am Samstag, 16. Juni 2012, 23:12:48 schrieb Alan McKinnon: On Sun, 17 Jun 2012 00:00:04 +0300 Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com wrote: On 16/06/12 21:27, walt wrote: I guess they figure the desktop will be extinct relatively soon and their customer base will vanish unless they capture the smartphone market. Ah yes, the death of the desktop PC, which is happening for 15 years now. Are we dead yet? Fine comment. Yes indeed, Microsoft's *real* cash cow - millions of corporate desktops running $LATEST_WINDOWS and $LATEST_OFFICE are all going to die out inthe next year. Not. and in corporate speak that means Windows XP and Office 2003/2007 because they work, they don't get in the way of doing things, the people are trained and nobody needs to smudge around on the screen, -- #163933
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: Linus ranting about Gnome3
On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 6:42 PM, Matthew Finkel matthew.fin...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 5:30 PM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 5:10 PM, Matthew Finkel matthew.fin...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 5:00 PM, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com wrote: On 16/06/12 21:27, walt wrote: I guess they figure the desktop will be extinct relatively soon and their customer base will vanish unless they capture the smartphone market. Ah yes, the death of the desktop PC, which is happening for 15 years now. Are we dead yet? I'm not holding my breath. There will always be a divide for the power users. A single, under-powered interface isn't going to cut it for a lot of us. X provides us with the flexibility that isn't available with the mobile interface. Even in the Microsoft world, I can't easily imagine them ditching the old UI paradigm for their Windows Server products. They've come a long way in making Windows CLI-friendly (see PowerShell), but they haven't yet (AFAIK) provided a good mechanism for remote CLI access. True, and they've been working hard to get it to the state it is in now. In many cases, sys admins have had to unlearn relying on their mouse for complete power. The CLI provides options that are, obviously, very difficult to express in a simple GUI (I know I'm preaching to the choir). Powershell has made huge progress in this respect, but it still has a long way to go in order to compete with what we have. And I doubt the server environment would ever become stripped down to the state we're talking about. Actually, they're there as of Windows Server 2008. It's called Windows Server 2008 Core. According to Windows Server 2008: The Definitive Guide, you log into one of these systems and all you get (by default) is a terminal window with an instance of cmd.exe. It goes on to list seven server roles this configuration supports: * Active Directory and Active Directory Lightweight Domain Services (LDS) * DHCP Server * DNS Server * File Services (including DFSR and NFS) * Print Services * Streaming Media Services * Windows Server Virtualization (Curiously, one of the things you _can't_ do is run Managed Code.) Not that they won't be able to bolt one in easily enough; CSRSS means they should be able to provide, e.g. an SSH daemon, give the connecting user a PowerShell login session[1], and give it equal privileges and security controls as they have for any other login session. How many years have they had? I'd given up on this years ago. SFU is available in the Server Core configuration. I imagine you could run OpenSSH under there. Or some commercial entity could come along and provide an SSH+screen(ish) component to snap into the CSRSS framework. -- :wq
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: Linus ranting about Gnome3
On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 6:56 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: Am Samstag, 16. Juni 2012, 23:12:48 schrieb Alan McKinnon: On Sun, 17 Jun 2012 00:00:04 +0300 Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com wrote: On 16/06/12 21:27, walt wrote: I guess they figure the desktop will be extinct relatively soon and their customer base will vanish unless they capture the smartphone market. Ah yes, the death of the desktop PC, which is happening for 15 years now. Are we dead yet? Fine comment. Yes indeed, Microsoft's *real* cash cow - millions of corporate desktops running $LATEST_WINDOWS and $LATEST_OFFICE are all going to die out inthe next year. Not. and in corporate speak that means Windows XP and Office 2003/2007 because they work, they don't get in the way of doing things, the people are trained and nobody needs to smudge around on the screen, The most effective way I can imagine for keeping me on-task: Force me to use a Windows XP workstation. I won't be using _any_ personal credentials through the web browser or any other part of the system. I'm not taking that risk on a post-support version of Windows. *grouses about people holding back, forcing the usage of particularly insecure versions of operating systems* *grouses at the IPv6 luddites, too; I'd love to use SSL on more domains, but I only have one IPv4 server IP to work with.* -- :wq
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: Linus ranting about Gnome3
On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 6:59 PM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 6:42 PM, Matthew Finkel matthew.fin...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 5:30 PM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 5:10 PM, Matthew Finkel matthew.fin...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 5:00 PM, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com wrote: On 16/06/12 21:27, walt wrote: I guess they figure the desktop will be extinct relatively soon and their customer base will vanish unless they capture the smartphone market. Ah yes, the death of the desktop PC, which is happening for 15 years now. Are we dead yet? I'm not holding my breath. There will always be a divide for the power users. A single, under-powered interface isn't going to cut it for a lot of us. X provides us with the flexibility that isn't available with the mobile interface. Even in the Microsoft world, I can't easily imagine them ditching the old UI paradigm for their Windows Server products. They've come a long way in making Windows CLI-friendly (see PowerShell), but they haven't yet (AFAIK) provided a good mechanism for remote CLI access. True, and they've been working hard to get it to the state it is in now. In many cases, sys admins have had to unlearn relying on their mouse for complete power. The CLI provides options that are, obviously, very difficult to express in a simple GUI (I know I'm preaching to the choir). Powershell has made huge progress in this respect, but it still has a long way to go in order to compete with what we have. And I doubt the server environment would ever become stripped down to the state we're talking about. Actually, they're there as of Windows Server 2008. It's called Windows Server 2008 Core. According to Windows Server 2008: The Definitive Guide, you log into one of these systems and all you get (by default) is a terminal window with an instance of cmd.exe. It goes on to list seven server roles this configuration supports: * Active Directory and Active Directory Lightweight Domain Services (LDS) * DHCP Server * DNS Server * File Services (including DFSR and NFS) * Print Services * Streaming Media Services * Windows Server Virtualization (Curiously, one of the things you _can't_ do is run Managed Code.) Huh, I didn't know about this. It's still too limited, though. At least they've duplicated a lot of the core gui elements on cli. Not that they won't be able to bolt one in easily enough; CSRSS means they should be able to provide, e.g. an SSH daemon, give the connecting user a PowerShell login session[1], and give it equal privileges and security controls as they have for any other login session. How many years have they had? I'd given up on this years ago. SFU is available in the Server Core configuration. I imagine you could run OpenSSH under there. Or some commercial entity could come along and provide an SSH+screen(ish) component to snap into the CSRSS framework. I'd actually forgotten about that, I would never trust their implement though. Apparently there's a binary available of OpenSSH that runs on SFU (so says wiki [1]). I've been out of the Windows Server environment for a few years now, so I guess I've missed out on some of the progress MS has made in this area. It's good they are pushing the CLI now. Perhaps in a few releases they'll implement their own of encrypting telnet sessions with a screen/tmux lookalike. Microsoft never ceases to amaze me - with the good and the bad. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Services_for_UNIX
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: Linus ranting about Gnome3
On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 7:40 PM, Matthew Finkel matthew.fin...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 6:59 PM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 6:42 PM, Matthew Finkel matthew.fin...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 5:30 PM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: [snip] True, and they've been working hard to get it to the state it is in now. In many cases, sys admins have had to unlearn relying on their mouse for complete power. The CLI provides options that are, obviously, very difficult to express in a simple GUI (I know I'm preaching to the choir). Powershell has made huge progress in this respect, but it still has a long way to go in order to compete with what we have. And I doubt the server environment would ever become stripped down to the state we're talking about. Actually, they're there as of Windows Server 2008. It's called Windows Server 2008 Core. According to Windows Server 2008: The Definitive Guide, you log into one of these systems and all you get (by default) is a terminal window with an instance of cmd.exe. It goes on to list seven server roles this configuration supports: * Active Directory and Active Directory Lightweight Domain Services (LDS) * DHCP Server * DNS Server * File Services (including DFSR and NFS) * Print Services * Streaming Media Services * Windows Server Virtualization (Curiously, one of the things you _can't_ do is run Managed Code.) Huh, I didn't know about this. It's still too limited, though. At least they've duplicated a lot of the core gui elements on cli. I dunno. That's everything I might possibly want a Windows system for. DNS comes with AD. Their DHCP server is probably the best on the market right now; it's the only common one[1] which handles DDNS updates for IPv4 and IPv6 hosts in the same domain. Everything else, I can easily do as-well-or-better on a Linux box. Being able to be an AD controller on a stripped-down version of the platform is also a plus, if you need to run in an AD environment. That makes adding redundancy and load distribution cheaper.[2] [1] That I know of; if anyone knows of a DHCP client for Linux which handles DDNS updates for IPv4 and IPv6 in the same domain, I'd love to hear about it. ISC's doesn't. [2] Samba 4 can do this too, and I'm looking forward to seeing someone sell Shiva Plugs with Samba 4 preinstalled. And, yeah, Samba 4 has had some big news events this year. Not that they won't be able to bolt one in easily enough; CSRSS means they should be able to provide, e.g. an SSH daemon, give the connecting user a PowerShell login session[1], and give it equal privileges and security controls as they have for any other login session. How many years have they had? I'd given up on this years ago. SFU is available in the Server Core configuration. I imagine you could run OpenSSH under there. Or some commercial entity could come along and provide an SSH+screen(ish) component to snap into the CSRSS framework. I'd actually forgotten about that, I would never trust their implement though. Apparently there's a binary available of OpenSSH that runs on SFU (so says wiki [1]). I've been out of the Windows Server environment for a few years now, so I guess I've missed out on some of the progress MS has made in this area. It's good they are pushing the CLI now. Perhaps in a few releases they'll implement their own of encrypting telnet sessions with a screen/tmux lookalike. Microsoft never ceases to amaze me - with the good and the bad. Where security concerns are relevant, I'd favor the implementation which comes with security updates pushed through the platform vendor's channel. With Debian, that means I avoid building my own packages. On Gentoo, that means I keep up with Portage. On Windows, that means using things which come through Microsoft Update. (Anything which doesn't, I could probably replace with something running on a Linux box. Again, this is a server context we're talking about.) Also, did you know Windows domain environments support dynamic application of IPSec-based security policies to enforce host patching policies? Some awesome stuff. Got me wanting to learn enough to be able to do the same thing using, e.g. Chef.[3] [3] http://www.opscode.com/chef/ [snip] -- :wq
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: Linus ranting about Gnome3
Am Samstag, 16. Juni 2012, 19:06:30 schrieb Michael Mol: On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 6:56 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: Am Samstag, 16. Juni 2012, 23:12:48 schrieb Alan McKinnon: On Sun, 17 Jun 2012 00:00:04 +0300 Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com wrote: On 16/06/12 21:27, walt wrote: I guess they figure the desktop will be extinct relatively soon and their customer base will vanish unless they capture the smartphone market. Ah yes, the death of the desktop PC, which is happening for 15 years now. Are we dead yet? Fine comment. Yes indeed, Microsoft's *real* cash cow - millions of corporate desktops running $LATEST_WINDOWS and $LATEST_OFFICE are all going to die out inthe next year. Not. and in corporate speak that means Windows XP and Office 2003/2007 because they work, they don't get in the way of doing things, the people are trained and nobody needs to smudge around on the screen, The most effective way I can imagine for keeping me on-task: Force me to use a Windows XP workstation. I won't be using _any_ personal credentials through the web browser or any other part of the system. I'm not taking that risk on a post-support version of Windows. win xp is still supported. have you ever dealt with 'standard office workers'? They want to use the same tools every freaking day. The icons on the same place. The menu items unchanged. The smallest change throws them off balance. Going from one office version to another - like 2000-2003 is a disaster. And while 20072010 are superior in every regard these people are helpless if you confront them with such drastic changes. Now imagine an update to vista, win7 or win8 Not everybody is a computer geek. -- #163933
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: Linus ranting about Gnome3
On Sun, 2012-06-17 at 00:00 +0300, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 16/06/12 21:27, walt wrote: I guess they figure the desktop will be extinct relatively soon and their customer base will vanish unless they capture the smartphone market. Ah yes, the death of the desktop PC, which is happening for 15 years now. Are we dead yet? No, it only feels like it (... Sunday morning) BillK
[gentoo-user] Re: OT: Linus ranting about Gnome3
On 15/06/12 20:03, Michael Mol wrote: On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 12:57 PM, Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote: Just in case anyone missed it: https://plus.google.com/102150693225130002912/posts/UkoAaLDpF4I Rgds, Post could not be found. Your URL may be incorrect, the post may have been deleted, or this account may not have access to the post. The link is: https://plus.google.com/102150693225130002912/posts/UkoAaLDpF4i (You'd think they'd have the decency to distinguish between 403, 404 and 410...) Who cares.
