Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Video card with two ports.
On Nov 7, 2013 9:47 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Mine isn't skewed to one side, it's just a fraction to large. It seems to be cut off by a few pixels all the way around. Watching a movie tho, no problem. Using it for a puter monitor tho, slight issue. To give a bit of a idea, about 1/3 of the clock on the little panel thing at the bottom is cut off. The little K menu thing is missing about the same on both bottom and left side. You can see it but it just isn't all there like on my puter monitor. Since I don't really plan to use it for a monitor, it's no biggie. I figure it could be that they just put to much plastic around the display itself. Sort of covered up to much of the screen. Dale, I am assuming this is a TV? All TVs apply overscan to inputs and that is what you are seeing. Most TVs made in the last five years have a way to turn that off, but it varies. On my Samsung, I have to use the dvi/HDMI input and set the input label to dvi/PC and overscan is then turned off for that input. It is buried in the menu options but it doesn't explain what it does. I have several mythtv frontends and found this solution about four years ago when I replaced my living room TV. Dan
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Video card with two ports.
Daniel Frey wrote: On Nov 7, 2013 9:47 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com mailto:rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Mine isn't skewed to one side, it's just a fraction to large. It seems to be cut off by a few pixels all the way around. Watching a movie tho, no problem. Using it for a puter monitor tho, slight issue. To give a bit of a idea, about 1/3 of the clock on the little panel thing at the bottom is cut off. The little K menu thing is missing about the same on both bottom and left side. You can see it but it just isn't all there like on my puter monitor. Since I don't really plan to use it for a monitor, it's no biggie. I figure it could be that they just put to much plastic around the display itself. Sort of covered up to much of the screen. Dale, I am assuming this is a TV? All TVs apply overscan to inputs and that is what you are seeing. Most TVs made in the last five years have a way to turn that off, but it varies. On my Samsung, I have to use the dvi/HDMI input and set the input label to dvi/PC and overscan is then turned off for that input. It is buried in the menu options but it doesn't explain what it does. I have several mythtv frontends and found this solution about four years ago when I replaced my living room TV. Dan And a quick google tells how to do this on my TV. I'll have to test later tho. I unhooked the cable the other day. I need to run it under the floor so I don't trip over that monster. Thanks for the info tho. That helped. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
[gentoo-user] Re: Video card with two ports.
On 2013-11-08, Daniel Frey djqf...@gmail.com wrote: I am assuming this is a TV? All TVs apply overscan to inputs and that is what you are seeing. FWIW, the history of overscan (why it existed in CRT-based TVs and why it was kept when they switched to Plasma/LCD) is rather interesting: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overscan -- Grant Edwards grant.b.edwardsYow! Don't hit me!! I'm in at the Twilight Zone!!! gmail.com
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Frank Steinmetzger wrote: On Sat, Nov 02, 2013 at 05:33:34AM -0500, Dale wrote: Anyway, I still need to check into some things. The edges of the screen on my TV is cut off. It's not much but just enough that it will cause issues if I try to do some things on the TV. I have the very same thing with a very old Radeon X200SE in an old PC that I got from a company write-off. Video ouput (via VGA) was skewed to one side, so I called the monitor’s auto-adjust to compensate. Then I installed Windows for some gaming and lo, this time the output was skewed to the other side. So the monitor was alright, instead the card was misconfigured. While the graphics driver for Windows has a neat graphical tool to configure this offset, I (currently) don't know of an equivalent in Linux country. Mine isn't skewed to one side, it's just a fraction to large. It seems to be cut off by a few pixels all the way around. Watching a movie tho, no problem. Using it for a puter monitor tho, slight issue. To give a bit of a idea, about 1/3 of the clock on the little panel thing at the bottom is cut off. The little K menu thing is missing about the same on both bottom and left side. You can see it but it just isn't all there like on my puter monitor. Since I don't really plan to use it for a monitor, it's no biggie. I figure it could be that they just put to much plastic around the display itself. Sort of covered up to much of the screen. For now, it'll work fine tho. I may figure on it some but not going to worry about it to much. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Video card with two ports.
On Sat, Nov 02, 2013 at 05:33:34AM -0500, Dale wrote: Anyway, I still need to check into some things. The edges of the screen on my TV is cut off. It's not much but just enough that it will cause issues if I try to do some things on the TV. I have the very same thing with a very old Radeon X200SE in an old PC that I got from a company write-off. Video ouput (via VGA) was skewed to one side, so I called the monitor’s auto-adjust to compensate. Then I installed Windows for some gaming and lo, this time the output was skewed to the other side. So the monitor was alright, instead the card was misconfigured. While the graphics driver for Windows has a neat graphical tool to configure this offset, I (currently) don't know of an equivalent in Linux country. -- Gruß | Greetings | Qapla’ Please do not share anything from, with or about me with any Facebook service. “Privacy laws are our biggest impediment to us obtaining our objectives.” — Michael Eisner, CEO of Disney, 2001 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Video card with two ports.
Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Well, I got the cable in. I hooked it up, nothing. H. Then I turned around to look at my regular monitor and KDE had a pop up about a new video device. Oh really. I clicked to set it up and now I have a picture. No sound tho. I can't watch videos with no sound. I'll need to work on that. ;-) I just hope this cable is going to be long enough after I run it under the floor. I think it will but it's going to be close. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words! Do you get sound out of the speakers connected to the computer directly? If you do, but not from the TV then you have 2 options: 1) connect an audio cable to the tv. (My tv has that option. Not all do though) 2) you figure out how to send sound through the cable between the videocard and tv. For that, I would have a look into sound drivers for the audio in the card (if it has a sound device) and also in alsa (or similar) mixer settings. FYI, the only time I hooked up a PC to my TV it was with a VGA cable and simple audio cable. Back then, I didn't have HDMI outputs. -- Joost -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
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On 01/11/13 at 07:43pm, Dale wrote: Well, I got the cable in. I hooked it up, nothing. H. Then I turned around to look at my regular monitor and KDE had a pop up about a new video device. Oh really. I clicked to set it up and now I have a picture. No sound tho. I can't watch videos with no sound. I'll need to work on that. ;-) I just hope this cable is going to be long enough after I run it under the floor. I think it will but it's going to be close. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words! Hi Dale, Try playing around with the settings in System Settings - multimedia - Audio and Video - Audio Hardware Setup Basically you need to tell it to send the audio over HDMI instead of over the standard audio port. -- - Yohan Pereira The difference between a Miracle and a Fact is exactly the difference between a mermaid and a seal. -- Mark Twain
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J. Roeleveld wrote: Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Well, I got the cable in. I hooked it up, nothing. H. Then I turned around to look at my regular monitor and KDE had a pop up about a new video device. Oh really. I clicked to set it up and now I have a picture. No sound tho. I can't watch videos with no sound. I'll need to work on that. ;-) I just hope this cable is going to be long enough after I run it under the floor. I think it will but it's going to be close. Dale :-) :-) Do you get sound out of the speakers connected to the computer directly? If you do, but not from the TV then you have 2 options: 1) connect an audio cable to the tv. (My tv has that option. Not all do though) 2) you figure out how to send sound through the cable between the videocard and tv. For that, I would have a look into sound drivers for the audio in the card (if it has a sound device) and also in alsa (or similar) mixer settings. FYI, the only time I hooked up a PC to my TV it was with a VGA cable and simple audio cable. Back then, I didn't have HDMI outputs. -- Joost -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. I figured it out. I found a wiki and found out that the sound can get there just fine on the command line but it didn't with smplayer. So I went h. Then I recalled seeing a tab for audio in preferences for smplayer. I dived right in. What I have to do is tell smplayer where to send the sound. I can tell it to send it to the speakers hooked to the puter or tell it to send it to the TV. No setting that I can find for it to just send to both. Maybe there is a OS seting for this somewhere. I dunno. Now that I know where to set this, it's no big deal to just change it based on what I am going to listen too. Oh, while testing the sound, I found out I have my puter speakers backwords. My left speaker claims to be right and the right speaker claims to be left. It's been that way for many years now. LOL Could that be why I am so weird?? ;-) I'm going to do some price checking on monitors. I may try to get one that is a little higher res if I can. Anyway, I still need to check into some things. The edges of the screen on my TV is cut off. It's not much but just enough that it will cause issues if I try to do some things on the TV. While in the KDE control center thingy, it had a setting for the new screen to be left/right/top/bottom so it sounds like my video card will support having two monitors with different images. Right now, I set it to clone tho. That's what I want right now. Thanks to all. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Video card with two ports.
On Sat, 02 Nov 2013 05:33:34 -0500, Dale wrote: Oh, while testing the sound, I found out I have my puter speakers backwords. My left speaker claims to be right and the right speaker claims to be left. That's side to side, not backwards :P It's been that way for many years now. LOL Could that be why I am so weird?? ;-) I susect that has a more fundamental cause ;-) I'm going to do some price checking on monitors. I may try to get one that is a little higher res if I can. Anyway, I still need to check into some things. The edges of the screen on my TV is cut off. It's not much but just enough that it will cause issues if I try to do some things on the TV. While in the KDE control center thingy, it had a setting for the new screen to be left/right/top/bottom so it sounds like my video card will support having two monitors with different images. It will, I've been using KDE with different resolution monitors (1600x1200 and 1650X180) for several years. And you can often specify which screen a program uses (or force the issue in KDE's window settings) so you can have your browser default to the monitors and you video player use the TV by default, But drag the windows across if you ever want them on the other display. -- Neil Bothwick If ignorance is bliss, why aren't more people happy? signature.asc Description: PGP signature
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On Fri, Nov 01, 2013 at 07:43:54PM -0500, Dale wrote: Well, I got the cable in. I hooked it up, nothing. H. Then I turned around to look at my regular monitor and KDE had a pop up about a new video device. Oh really. I clicked to set it up and now I have a picture. No sound tho. I can't watch videos with no sound. I'll need to work on that. ;-) I just hope this cable is going to be long enough after I run it under the floor. I think it will but it's going to be close. Dale KDE, phonon in particular, provides for routing the sound to different devices. Go to System Settings → Multimedia, it should list both your alsa and HDMI output. You can then change the order of priority for the devices. If you now use a phonon-able media player, it will use the output in the order you set there. -- Gruß | Greetings | Qapla’ Please do not share anything from, with or about me with any Facebook service. Night is so dark only so one can see it better. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Video card with two ports.
Well, I got the cable in. I hooked it up, nothing. H. Then I turned around to look at my regular monitor and KDE had a pop up about a new video device. Oh really. I clicked to set it up and now I have a picture. No sound tho. I can't watch videos with no sound. I'll need to work on that. ;-) I just hope this cable is going to be long enough after I run it under the floor. I think it will but it's going to be close. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
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On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 03:13:37AM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: What size is that screen? Can you attach a screen shot? I have 1920x1080 on everything but this laptop (1440x900), and use 23 screens at work. Still, I just can't seem to like any setup with more than one thing on the screen at a time. My desktop has GKrellM with width 100 on the right hand side. It's a 24 monitor. Screenshot attached. I'm migrating over to UZBL as my web browser, if you wonder why it looks unfamiliar. As per my sig, I don't use a fancy DE. I use ICEWM. One nice feature is the menu+launch bar which only pops up when I bring the mouse pointer to the bottom of the screen. The rest of the time it stays out of the way. I also have multiple workspaces, and keep related stuff open in their own workspaces. Maybe what you're looking for is a different type of 1440 monitor, namely a 27 2560x1440 display. Drool. Available from $600 and up at Best Buy here in Toronto. Probably significantly cheaper in the USA. Thanks for the screenshot. I use Fluxbox on all comps except this laptop, where Xfce4 has been a test to see if it's a DE that I could support for people migrating from Windows. The Linux DEs are really quite poor in quality compared to Windows. For my own workstation, urxvt with tabs is my main app. For years now I've had irssi running in one of it's tabs, but now I'm wanting to see it at the same time as wherever else I'm working. To achieve that, irssi needs to come out of that urvxt instance, and I haven't decided how I want to do that yet. Today 1920x1080 on a 23 screen still doesn't look like a large working environment. Maybe if I'd never had greater resolution on 17 and 19 CRTs, and come from 1024x768 on a 15 LCD, I'd think it HUGE. Part of the issue is that I've gotten used to using apps open fullscreen (sans GKrellM) on this size desktop, so whenever I put two apps side-by-side something gets lost. I'm sure in time it would grow on me, just as I've now, in the last year or less, gotten okay with using a second workspace (first time in 10 years with Fluxbox). It's exclusively for Teamviewer, though. As for a 27 2560x1440 display for $600 ... cold day in Hades comes to mind. IMO $200 is _very_expensive_ for a computer monitor, unless you're doing high end graphics work in Adobe products for commercial printing and need color calibration. But then, you'd not be using a Linux OS for that. -- Happy Penguin Computers ') 126 Fenco Drive ( \ Tupelo, MS 38801 ^^ supp...@happypenguincomputers.com 662-269-2706 662-205-6424 http://happypenguincomputers.com/ A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? Don't top-post: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_post#Top-posting
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On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 07:31:04AM -0500, Bruce Hill wrote Today 1920x1080 on a 23 screen still doesn't look like a large working environment. Maybe if I'd never had greater resolution on 17 and 19 CRTs, and come from 1024x768 on a 15 LCD, I'd think it HUGE. Part of the issue is that I've gotten used to using apps open fullscreen (sans GKrellM) on this size desktop, so whenever I put two apps side-by-side something gets lost. I'm sure in time it would grow on me, just as I've now, in the last year or less, gotten okay with using a second workspace (first time in 10 years with Fluxbox). It's exclusively for Teamviewer, though. I doggedly stuck with one workspace, until the running-programs tabs on the launchpad became ridiculously crowded. Then I went to the opposite extreme, and now have 11 workspaces. Each workspace has related stuff open in it. As for a 27 2560x1440 display for $600 ... cold day in Hades comes to mind. IMO $200 is _very_expensive_ for a computer monitor, unless you're doing high end graphics work in Adobe products for commercial printing and need color calibration. But then, you'd not be using a Linux OS for that. Give it a year or 2, and the price will come down. Back in my more foolish days, in a previous century, I paid over $1,000 (including tax) for a 19 NEC MultiSync 95 CRT monitor and it still works today. See http://www.cueproductions.com/forsale/NECMultiSync.html http://lahore.saintclassified.pk/nec-multisync-95-19-crt-monitor-conditon-good-ad-390941 -- Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org I don't run desktop environments; I run useful applications
[gentoo-user] Re: Video card with two ports.
On 2013-10-30, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 09:32:54PM -0500, Dale wrote Howdy, Quick question. I have a Nvidia GeForce GT 220 video card. It has a VGA and a HDMI connection. My question, if I hook a monitor to each port, they will both have the same pic right? Also, I have not hooked anything to the HDMI port yet, does it just work or do I have to set something for it to work in xorg.conf or something. But why would you want identical images? Google Xinerama. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XineramaHowTo (yeah it's Ubuntu), for how to get a B-I-I-I-I-G two-screen-wide desktop. Or you can have a different desktop on each monitor. [I find that more useful than have a single big desktop that spans multiple monitors.] That's done by simply configuring separate X displays. I prefer to edit my xorg.conf to do that, but you can also use xrandr to configure multiple displays. -- Grant Edwards grant.b.edwardsYow! The entire CHINESE at WOMEN'S VOLLEYBALL TEAM all gmail.comshare ONE personality -- and have since BIRTH!!
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On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 16:03:34 + (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote: But why would you want identical images? Google Xinerama. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XineramaHowTo (yeah it's Ubuntu), for how to get a B-I-I-I-I-G two-screen-wide desktop. Or you can have a different desktop on each monitor. [I find that more useful than have a single big desktop that spans multiple monitors.] That's done by simply configuring separate X displays. I prefer to edit my xorg.conf to do that, but you can also use xrandr to configure multiple displays. I think Dale still uses KDE, in which case it can be handled by the KDE System Settings options. -- Neil Bothwick Power corrupts. Absolute power is kind of neat. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
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Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 16:03:34 + (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote: But why would you want identical images? Google Xinerama. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XineramaHowTo (yeah it's Ubuntu), for how to get a B-I-I-I-I-G two-screen-wide desktop. Or you can have a different desktop on each monitor. [I find that more useful than have a single big desktop that spans multiple monitors.] That's done by simply configuring separate X displays. I prefer to edit my xorg.conf to do that, but you can also use xrandr to configure multiple displays. I think Dale still uses KDE, in which case it can be handled by the KDE System Settings options. I do use KDE with Fluxbox as a backup.. I want to get another monitor but just not right now. I want one that I can flip 90 degrees so that it is tall instead of wide but only want Firefox to run on that. That'll have to wait for now. Right now, I just wanted to see about watching videos on my TV instead of my puter screen. My chair ain't that comfy. lol I caught a cable that will reach on sale for like 60% off and I couldn't pass it up. I just didn't realize that this card could run two displays with different content. I figured what was on one would be on the other. In the long run, this could be really nice. I gave that card a good dust bunny eviction when I had to swap mobos. It's a nice little card. It does really good for my simple stuff. Thanks all. When the cable comes in, I'll check into what comes next. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
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On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 12:52:00PM -0500, Dale wrote I do use KDE with Fluxbox as a backup.. I want to get another monitor but just not right now. I want one that I can flip 90 degrees so that it is tall instead of wide but only want Firefox to run on that. I run 2 browsers, 960x1080 side-by-each, on a 1920x1080 display. -- Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org I don't run desktop environments; I run useful applications
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On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 09:14:30PM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: I run 2 browsers, 960x1080 side-by-each, on a 1920x1080 display. What size is that screen? Can you attach a screen shot? I have 1920x1080 on everything but this laptop (1440x900), and use 23 screens at work. Still, I just can't seem to like any setup with more than one thing on the screen at a time. My desktop has GKrellM with width 100 on the right hand side. Thanks -- Happy Penguin Computers ') 126 Fenco Drive ( \ Tupelo, MS 38801 ^^ supp...@happypenguincomputers.com 662-269-2706 662-205-6424 http://happypenguincomputers.com/ A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? Don't top-post: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_post#Top-posting
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Walter Dnes wrote: On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 12:52:00PM -0500, Dale wrote I do use KDE with Fluxbox as a backup.. I want to get another monitor but just not right now. I want one that I can flip 90 degrees so that it is tall instead of wide but only want Firefox to run on that. I run 2 browsers, 960x1080 side-by-each, on a 1920x1080 display. Right now, I have a 22 inch monitor that I caught on sale. It's the wide type thing. Anyway, I have firefox taking up most of the space but also have pidgin tucked on the right side. When I can get me a 2nd monitor, I'll stick Firefox on the 2nd one that is turned to be tall. I'll keep everything else where it is. Right now, I'll just use the 2nd one to play videos and such on my TV. This is going to work out really nice it seems. Thanks much. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
