Re: [gentoo-user] necessary use flgas

2015-06-27 Thread Dale
Alan McKinnon wrote: On 25/06/2015 10:27, Dale wrote: Do we even have a clue how many puters Google has now? I read several years ago it was like 10,000 or so. No telling what they have now. o_O Around 2006, it was at least 100,000 You are out by an order of magnitude :-) I would not

Re: [gentoo-user] necessary use flgas

2015-06-25 Thread behrouz khosravi
Best way I ever found to learn how things really work under the hood is to build a Linux From Scratch and pay close attention to every single step. Not that you'd ever actually *use* that system - there's no sane package management for a start - but after building an LFS, the content of

Re: [gentoo-user] necessary use flgas

2015-06-25 Thread Rich Freeman
On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 8:01 AM, behrouz khosravi bz.khosr...@gmail.com wrote: Best way I ever found to learn how things really work under the hood is to build a Linux From Scratch and pay close attention to every single step. Not that you'd ever actually *use* that system - there's no sane

Re: [gentoo-user] necessary use flgas

2015-06-25 Thread Emanuele Rusconi
On 25 June 2015 at 14:56, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: The only issue I'd raise with LFS in this day and age is that many of these guides tend to leave out stuff like devtmpfs, udev, policykit, and so on. Some people choose not to use them (this list probably being one of the larger

Re: [gentoo-user] necessary use flgas

2015-06-25 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 24/06/2015 13:50, Alec Ten Harmsel wrote: P.P.S. Also, on 1% better performance: My professor for the compilers class I took used to (maybe still does) work at Google. Apparently Google sees a 1% increase in performance as *the best thing ever*, because it can save them a bunch of money in

Re: [gentoo-user] necessary use flgas

2015-06-25 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 24 Jun 2015 16:29:14 +0430, behrouz khosravi wrote: I have moved to i3wm and USE=-* and it was not that hard. No one said it would be hard, just that it has great potential for breakage. That potential is still there. When the devs tweak default USE settings in ebuilds to make

Re: [gentoo-user] necessary use flgas

2015-06-25 Thread Dale
Alan McKinnon wrote: On 24/06/2015 13:50, Alec Ten Harmsel wrote: P.P.S. Also, on 1% better performance: My professor for the compilers class I took used to (maybe still does) work at Google. Apparently Google sees a 1% increase in performance as *the best thing ever*, because it can save

Re: [gentoo-user] necessary use flgas

2015-06-25 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 24/06/2015 14:23, behrouz khosravi wrote: Here's some good advice: Don't do that. See below. Oops! I have done it and I am happy so far ! Wait a little longer :-) I predict within 2 weeks you'll be posting back about some completely baffling problem and we'll have a huge

Re: [gentoo-user] necessary use flgas

2015-06-25 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 25/06/2015 10:27, Dale wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: On 24/06/2015 13:50, Alec Ten Harmsel wrote: P.P.S. Also, on 1% better performance: My professor for the compilers class I took used to (maybe still does) work at Google. Apparently Google sees a 1% increase in performance as *the best

Re: [gentoo-user] necessary use flgas

2015-06-25 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 25/06/2015 06:25, Jc García wrote: 2015-06-24 6:23 GMT-06:00 behrouz khosravi bz.khosr...@gmail.com: Here's some good advice: Don't do that. See below. Oops! I have done it and I am happy so far ! That's a bit of a nonsensical line of thought, as what you think you want doesn't

Re: [gentoo-user] necessary use flgas

2015-06-24 Thread Alec Ten Harmsel
On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 01:13:40PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: On 23/06/2015 15:05, behrouz khosravi wrote: Hello everyone. I really like to have control over my machine as much as possible. In this way I will learn a lot, so I am trying to remove all the default use flags and control

Re: [gentoo-user] necessary use flgas

2015-06-24 Thread behrouz khosravi
Here's some good advice: Don't do that. See below. Oops! I have done it and I am happy so far ! That's a bit of a nonsensical line of thought, as what you think you want doesn't really exist. I think you misunderstood me! for example adding CPU specific flags is a good idea right? I meant

RE: [gentoo-user] necessary use flgas

2015-06-24 Thread Franz Fellner
behrouz khosravi wrote: Hello everyone. I really like to have control over my machine as much as possible. In this way I will learn a lot, so I am trying to remove all the default use flags and control them manually. I just don't know which global use flags are absolutely necessary to the

Re: [gentoo-user] necessary use flgas

2015-06-24 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 23/06/2015 15:05, behrouz khosravi wrote: Hello everyone. I really like to have control over my machine as much as possible. In this way I will learn a lot, so I am trying to remove all the default use flags and control them manually. Here's some good advice: Don't do that. See below.

Re: [gentoo-user] necessary use flgas

2015-06-24 Thread Alec Ten Harmsel
On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 01:13:40PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: On 23/06/2015 15:05, behrouz khosravi wrote: Hello everyone. I really like to have control over my machine as much as possible. In this way I will learn a lot, so I am trying to remove all the default use flags and control

Re: [gentoo-user] necessary use flgas

2015-06-24 Thread behrouz khosravi
To be more serious: * Set a minimal basic profile (as already suggested) * Tune your USE-Flags in make.conf. media-related flags (mp3, flac) should be harmless, if you touch flags that get used in core packages (e.g. in the toolchain) double (or triple) check if you don't do evil things. *

Re: [gentoo-user] necessary use flgas

2015-06-24 Thread Alec Ten Harmsel
On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 01:13:40PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: On 23/06/2015 15:05, behrouz khosravi wrote: Hello everyone. I really like to have control over my machine as much as possible. In this way I will learn a lot, so I am trying to remove all the default use flags and control

Re: [gentoo-user] necessary use flgas

2015-06-24 Thread Jc García
2015-06-24 6:23 GMT-06:00 behrouz khosravi bz.khosr...@gmail.com: Here's some good advice: Don't do that. See below. Oops! I have done it and I am happy so far ! That's a bit of a nonsensical line of thought, as what you think you want doesn't really exist. I think you misunderstood

Re: [gentoo-user] necessary use flgas

2015-06-24 Thread Walter Dnes
On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 04:53:18PM +0430, behrouz khosravi wrote What do you recommend ? DO NOT SET USE=-* As I said before I have done it and I totally recommend it to anyone interested to get a better understanding of user land. The point with USE=-* is to create your own base

Re: [gentoo-user] necessary use flgas

2015-06-23 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 23 Jun 2015 16:45:58 +0200, David Haller wrote: You can also start USE with -* in make.conf to turn everything off then set your own choices. This is the ideal setup for those who prefer to spend more time fixing their computer than using it. Hah! Hey, I got no printer, had

Re: [gentoo-user] necessary use flgas

2015-06-23 Thread David Haller
Hello, On Tue, 23 Jun 2015, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Tue, 23 Jun 2015 17:35:10 +0430, behrouz khosravi wrote: I really like to have control over my machine as much as possible. In this way I will learn a lot, so I am trying to remove all the default use flags and control them manually. [..] You

Re: [gentoo-user] necessary use flgas

2015-06-23 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 23 Jun 2015 17:35:10 +0430, behrouz khosravi wrote: I really like to have control over my machine as much as possible. In this way I will learn a lot, so I am trying to remove all the default use flags and control them manually. I just don't know which global use flags are

[gentoo-user] necessary use flgas

2015-06-23 Thread behrouz khosravi
Hello everyone. I really like to have control over my machine as much as possible. In this way I will learn a lot, so I am trying to remove all the default use flags and control them manually. I just don't know which global use flags are absolutely necessary to the system to make it snappier or

Re: [gentoo-user] necessary use flgas

2015-06-23 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 23 Jun 2015 18:35:32 +0200, David Haller wrote: You do know that only the desktop profiles include cups as a default USE flag? The one I recommended does not. Try compiling icedtea, libreoffice, scribus and whatnot without pulling in cups, no matter the use-flags. And sabotaging the

Re: [gentoo-user] necessary use flgas

2015-06-23 Thread David Haller
Hello, On Tue, 23 Jun 2015, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Tue, 23 Jun 2015 16:45:58 +0200, David Haller wrote: You can also start USE with -* in make.conf to turn everything off then set your own choices. This is the ideal setup for those who prefer to spend more time fixing their computer than

Re: [gentoo-user] necessary use flgas

2015-06-23 Thread David Haller
Hello, On Tue, 23 Jun 2015, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Tue, 23 Jun 2015 18:35:32 +0200, David Haller wrote: You do know that only the desktop profiles include cups as a default USE flag? The one I recommended does not. Try compiling icedtea, libreoffice, scribus and whatnot without pulling in