[gentoo-user] Re: sanba mount on host machine
Hans-Werner Hilse [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, On Sun, 05 Nov 2006 13:47:12 -0600 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is this possible withou really negative impact of some sort. If this is a question (please clarify a bit, and use question marks when appropriate!): Of course it has a negative impact -- opposed to built-in storage, which should be faster than network based storage :-) Did you not see the rest of the post? (Reposted below) Is this possible withou[t] really negative impact of some sort:[colon added] Install as many HDD as mobo allows maybe adding a few more with pci controllsers. (all sata if possible) Install Gentoo as host OS on a smallish partition or drive. Mount all remaining drives as CIFS mounts accessable from samba or smb from host or windowsXP clients. All this over gigabit ethernet. But if you have Windows clients, that's almost the only option you have. Well, you could go with WebDAV, but I wouldn't recommend that, it's most probably not nearly as stable as Samba. No, that isn't true. If you mean mounting the hosts HDD as cifs mounts. Windows machines have no trouble accessing host gentoo drives with no special setup other than samba running. Even for Linux/Unix clients (given they have proper CIFS/SMB support) Samba is a capable option for a networked file system. It is clear enough that samba and cifs is required to network with windows machines... that I know going in. The question once again was, can one install a working gentoo OS on a machine and then mount some number of the machines on board HDD as cifs mounts to be accessed with samba internally by the host OS as well as thru smb from any networked computers? What I want here is to know if the host OS can be made to see its own native drives as cifs mounted shares. The drives would be formatted NTFS and would be the basis of a home built NAS [Network Attached Storage]. I want them all NTFS to feed a space hungry Event Videography business. I don't want to dink around with mounting as NTFS on linux since it really isn't yet supported, but want to access these drives solely thru samba. OTOH, there's Windows SFU, which you can use to mount NFS shares, but I heard it's a pain in the *** to set it up. You heard right. It does work once you understand the setup but then far as I know NFS has some inherent bottleneck to moving large files anyway. (That is hearsay... not from experience.. I had no really large files to move back when I had Windows SFU set up nor was I concerned with that) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: sanba mount on host machine
Hans-Werner Hilse [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, On Sun, 05 Nov 2006 13:47:12 -0600 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is this possible withou really negative impact of some sort. If this is a question (please clarify a bit, and use question marks when appropriate!): Of course it has a negative impact -- opposed to built-in storage, which should be faster than network based storage :-) I guess it was phrased awkwardly, but did you not see the rest of the post? == (Posted here again for clarity) Install as many HDD as mobo allows maybe adding a few more with pci controllsers. (all sata if possible) Install Gentoo as host OS on a smallish partition or drive. Mount all remaining drives as CIFS mounts accessable from samba or smb from host or windowsXP clients. All this over gigabit ethernet. But if you have Windows clients, that's almost the only option you have. Well, you could go with WebDAV, but I wouldn't recommend that, it's most probably not nearly as stable as Samba. Even for Linux/Unix clients (given they have proper CIFS/SMB support) Samba is a capable option for a networked file system. Rephrasing the question: Will it work to mount a hosts (gentoo host) native onboard drives as cifs mounts only. These drives would all be formatted NTFS (unless someone can tell me there is a linux format that will be as fast when dealing with huge video files. And will not introduce some problem when trnaferring between NTFS on a client and whatever format on the gentoo box) I don't want to dink around with mounting as NTFS because of poor or non existent or illegal linux support for NTFS. The gentoo host would have its own partition or drive and would serve as a NAS for the other NTFS drives. So once again the question is can gentoo have its native drives (not the OS drive) formatted as NTFS and mounted only as cifs mounts on the same machine? OTOH, there's Windows SFU, which you can use to mount NFS shares, but I heard it's a pain in the *** to set it up. You heard right. I've done it but it took a while and far as I know there is some inherent bottleneck with NFS moving huge files anyway. (That is hearsay since I did not try it when I had that setup. I didn't have the need to move huge files then) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: sanba mount on host machine
On 11/6/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hans-Werner Hilse [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, On Sun, 05 Nov 2006 13:47:12 -0600 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is this possible withou really negative impact of some sort. If this is a question (please clarify a bit, and use question marks when appropriate!): Of course it has a negative impact -- opposed to built-in storage, which should be faster than network based storage :-) I guess it was phrased awkwardly, but did you not see the rest of the post? == (Posted here again for clarity) Install as many HDD as mobo allows maybe adding a few more with pci controllsers. (all sata if possible) Install Gentoo as host OS on a smallish partition or drive. Mount all remaining drives as CIFS mounts accessable from samba or smb from host or windowsXP clients. All this over gigabit ethernet. But if you have Windows clients, that's almost the only option you have. Well, you could go with WebDAV, but I wouldn't recommend that, it's most probably not nearly as stable as Samba. Even for Linux/Unix clients (given they have proper CIFS/SMB support) Samba is a capable option for a networked file system. Rephrasing the question: Will it work to mount a hosts (gentoo host) native onboard drives as cifs mounts only. These drives would all be formatted NTFS In short - no. Samba/CIFS are *network* filesystems - you can't format a partition with a Samba or CIFS filesystem, and you can't mount a local drive as Samba or CIFS - it is not a physical filesystem, but a protocol to access a share *over a network*. All you need to do is format these drives with the filesystem of your choice (I personally like ReiserFS, I've heard some people say that XFS is better/faster for really big files, or, if you don't want/need journaling, maybe just ext2?), then setup Samba to share those drives over the network to the other computers that need to access them. The magic of Samba/CIFS is that the other computer have absolutely *No Clue* what the *underlying* filesystem on the physical drive is - they don't care, and they don't need to care, as the Samba server on the Gentoo side takes care of all of that. The filesystem on the client side (the Windows box - NTFS) won't make any difference whatsoever when transferring files to the Samba share, as Samba is Samba is Samba - no matter the underlying physical filesystem that the Samba share is from. HTH- James (unless someone can tell me there is a linux format that will be as fast when dealing with huge video files. And will not introduce some problem when trnaferring between NTFS on a client and whatever format on the gentoo box) I don't want to dink around with mounting as NTFS because of poor or non existent or illegal linux support for NTFS. The gentoo host would have its own partition or drive and would serve as a NAS for the other NTFS drives. So once again the question is can gentoo have its native drives (not the OS drive) formatted as NTFS and mounted only as cifs mounts on the same machine? OTOH, there's Windows SFU, which you can use to mount NFS shares, but I heard it's a pain in the *** to set it up. You heard right. I've done it but it took a while and far as I know there is some inherent bottleneck with NFS moving huge files anyway. (That is hearsay since I did not try it when I had that setup. I didn't have the need to move huge files then) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: sanba mount on host machine
James Ausmus [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Rephrasing the question: Will it work to mount a hosts (gentoo host) native onboard drives as cifs mounts only. These drives would all be formatted NTFS In short - no. Samba/CIFS are *network* filesystems - you can't format a partition with a Samba or CIFS filesystem, and you can't mount a local drive as Samba or CIFS - it is not a physical filesystem, but a protocol to access a share *over a network*. All you need to do is format these drives with the filesystem of your choice (I personally like ReiserFS, I've heard some people say that OK, I seem to have been tying myself in unnecessary knots (not an unknown state for me). I seem to recall somewhere having seen something that made me think there was some problem inherent in moving large files from one of the linux formats (I use Reiserfs on all but /boot and have for a good while) onto NTFS or vice versa. I wasn't sure it would be as transparent as you say. Is this just a myth I've picked up somewhere? I guess it would not be that hard to test out. I'm thinking to test a format conversion from CanopusDV.avi to mpeg2 streams like one uses for DVD authoring, putting the source *.avi of some 15gb on my gentoo box on an reiserfs partition. Then from the windows XP where the conversion application resides find the source file and give the destination of the mpeg files onto one of the NTFS partitions on the win box. Time that run then do it with two windows XP boxes with source on one and conversion tools on the other. time that run and compare. Not scientific for sure but should give some fairly good comparison. All boxes have gigabit interconnectivity. If its not to far apart I'll say I was hoodwinked about there being a problem. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
