Re: [gentoo-user] Fairwell for now
On 3/10/06, A.R.S. KA9QLQ Alvin Koffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Michael Crute [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/10/06, A.R.S. KA9QLQ Alvin Koffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: flame In all seriousness, if your too lazy to sit down with the minimal CD and a pile of docs for your first install then Gentoo is probably NOT for you. Also, there is no reason to go about insulting the developers by making blind statements about the stability of their software. Sheesh. /flame -Mike Wow! Thank You, and here all this time I though the reason I have 20% use of one hand and can only handle a mouse was because of muscular dystrophy. Of corse I'm sure you can install Gentoo without the need of your hands I'm just to lasy to figure out how. For you to install win you need to use keyboard as well, don't come with that, you're not using a software, you're building a system that is designed to be a metadistribution, not a graphical interface to bad written software. As for insulting the developers I said I looked forward to when they had something I [a normal person] could use and would check back in a year to see what happens, but you were to busy playing with your chip on your shoulder to notice that. That is an insult for me as I consider myself a normal person and there are NO OS you can install without using your hands. Sorry, but you still can't configure a machine with voice software neither only mouse from scratch or build a system this way. We did not get there, neither any other OS. Sense we're on it though, why would they put out a broken product? If you have to install gentoo from a stage tarball why devlope a live cd that can't even boot right? Maybe because the devlopers understand that if gentoo is to become populare beyond the geek squad they'll have to have something non-programmers can use. That meens taking risks and working out bugs instead of going whaa he said my product din't work mommy. It works, I'm using it right now, you're crying because a simple error and we gave you more than a dozen reasons/ways to workaround it/help docs. So if anyone is a crying baby posting a farewell insulting a system designed to be more than a click there, click here software, it is you. Bill Gates can sleep good...they even have voice software [8=) Yeah, I love their software, they are the reason I make so much money developing solutions and recovering broke systems that MS is unable to ever make work because they can't even understand their own code. Well, thank god for screens of death. I live from the stupidity of those who still try to work with Win. Alvin For the best jerky you've ever had go to http://alk.jerkydirect.com/ My home page http://ka9qlq.tripod.com This PC is windows free with Mepis Linux 3.4-3 http://www.mepis.org/ 1(747)632-4973 SIP Get Gizmo 1 cent per minuet calling http://www.gizmoproject.com/ -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- Daniel da Veiga Computer Operator - RS - Brazil -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.1 GCM/IT/P/O d-? s:- a? C++$ UBLA++ P+ L++ E--- W+++$ N o+ K- w O M- V- PS PE Y PGP- t+ 5 X+++ R+* tv b+ DI+++ D+ G+ e h+ r+ y++ --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Fairwell for now
A.R.S. KA9QLQ Alvin Koffman wrote: Well I can't get the live cd to boot so I'll check back in a year to see if Gentoo has it's act togather yet. I do look forward to running Gentoo, someday. Alvin For the best jerky you've ever had go to http://alk.jerkydirect.com/ My home page http://ka9qlq.tripod.com This PC is windows free with Mepis Linux 3.4-3 http://www.mepis.org/ 1(747)632-4973 SIP Get Gizmo 1 cent per minuet calling http://www.gizmoproject.com/ I 've had 2006.0 livecd freezes as well...first time on a machine that had no troubles whatsoever with the previous releases.. By frozen I mean : Booting the default kernel with or wouth framebuffer stops at copying to the tmpfs into ram So I can confirm it may have some bugs for certain hardware... in my case : a via board based system. Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8378 [KM400/A] Chipset Host Bridge Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Unknown device 8118 rgds, Peter P.S. The minimal CD worked just fine !!! -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Fairwell for now
A.R.S. KA9QLQ Alvin Koffman schreef: It recognises my Nvida card [fx 5200] but when you get to the stage where the icons dissapear as stuff loads, when the last one goes the monitor shuts off. as is't booting from a cd there's no error log and nofb didn't help. Like I said some day Gentoo will get there, but right now it's not stable. The graphical installer is not the distribution. The fact that the installer doesn't work for you is not the same as Gentoo is not stable. The graphical installer is indeed not stable, but we all knew that (or we would have if we read the release notes). Is there some reason that you can't use the current CD to install in the traditional manner (without X), or with an ncurses interface (again, without X), or conversely use the previous install CD (that doesn't have a graphical installer), to install Gentoo? Also, you might check the forums and bugs.gentoo.org to see if this is a known problem (you seem to be not the first having signal loss from the install CD on this list) and if there is a workaround. Or you could just go on as you are doing and blow us off as unstable. Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Fairwell for now
On 3/10/06, A.R.S. KA9QLQ Alvin Koffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Like I said some day Gentoo will get there, but right now it's not stable. Holy crap... good thing you are here to tell me this... guess I will have to pull Gentoo off of all my 1/2 dozen or so production servers and go back to Fedora! flame In all seriousness, if your too lazy to sit down with the minimal CD and a pile of docs for your first install then Gentoo is probably NOT for you. Also, there is no reason to go about insulting the developers by making blind statements about the stability of their software. Sheesh. /flame -Mike -- Michael E. Crute http://mike.crute.org It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems just with potatoes. --Douglas Adams -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Fairwell for now
Gentoo is pretty stable.. the installer isn't try the old way it's way better and makes you more familiar with your system I just finished (about a week ago) my first non-binary install of a linux distribution, compiling from a stage3, starting with the 2006.0 Gentoo Minimal Install CD. As someone who is still relatively new to Linux, I can attest that this was not very difficult, it simply requires patience and a lot of looking things up. Now that I've got my system up and running, I couldn't be happier I'd recommend trying this route, I'm glad I did. If I had gone with a graphical installer, I wouldn't know half of what I know now about Gentoo.. it was a great learning process. Dave -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GAT d-(+) s+: a24 C++ UBL++ P L++ E--- W+++$ N+ o? K? w O? M-- V? !PS !PE Y PGP- t++ 5++ X+ R+++ tv+ b++ DI D++ G e+ h-- r++ y+ --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] Fairwell for now
-Original Message- From: Dave Moore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 10:35 AM To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Fairwell for now Gentoo is pretty stable.. the installer isn't try the old way it's way better and makes you more familiar with your system I just finished (about a week ago) my first non-binary install of a linux distribution, compiling from a stage3, starting with the 2006.0 Gentoo Minimal Install CD. As someone who is still relatively new to Linux, I can attest that this was not very difficult, it simply requires patience and a lot of looking things up. Now that I've got my system up and running, I couldn't be happier I'd recommend trying this route, I'm glad I did. If I had gone with a graphical installer, I wouldn't know half of what I know now about Gentoo.. it was a great learning process. Dave I second Dave's opinion. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Fairwell for now
On 3/10/06, A.R.S. KA9QLQ Alvin Koffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Like I said some day Gentoo will get there, but right now it's not stable. You're right, Gentoo is not 'stable' [1], and it never will be stable. It is functional and reliable however. But you need to know linux, your hardware, and unix system administration. And a bit of programming knowledge doesn't hurt either. If you can't do something with Gentoo, it is more than likely because you have not learned enough about one of the aforementioned topics, and don't have the patience/desire to learn. [1] Stable implies that the system doesn't change frequently. That definition certainly doesn't apply to gentoo. Alvin For the best jerky you've ever had go to http://alk.jerkydirect.com/ My home page http://ka9qlq.tripod.com This PC is windows free with Mepis Linux 3.4-3 http://www.mepis.org/ 1(747)632-4973 SIP Get Gizmo 1 cent per minuet calling http://www.gizmoproject.com/ Could you please stop spamming us with your .sig? I never bothered to respond to your original postings because of this. -Richard -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Fairwell for now
--- Michael Crute [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/10/06, A.R.S. KA9QLQ Alvin Koffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: flame In all seriousness, if your too lazy to sit down with the minimal CD and a pile of docs for your first install then Gentoo is probably NOT for you. Also, there is no reason to go about insulting the developers by making blind statements about the stability of their software. Sheesh. /flame -Mike Wow! Thank You, and here all this time I though the reason I have 20% use of one hand and can only handle a mouse was because of muscular dystrophy. Of corse I'm sure you can install Gentoo without the need of your hands I'm just to lasy to figure out how. As for insulting the developers I said I looked forward to when they had something I [a normal person] could use and would check back in a year to see what happens, but you were to busy playing with your chip on your shoulder to notice that. Sense we're on it though, why would they put out a broken product? If you have to install gentoo from a stage tarball why devlope a live cd that can't even boot right? Maybe because the devlopers understand that if gentoo is to become populare beyond the geek squad they'll have to have something non-programmers can use. That meens taking risks and working out bugs instead of going whaa he said my product din't work mommy. Bill Gates can sleep good...they even have voice software [8=) Alvin For the best jerky you've ever had go to http://alk.jerkydirect.com/ My home page http://ka9qlq.tripod.com This PC is windows free with Mepis Linux 3.4-3 http://www.mepis.org/ 1(747)632-4973 SIP Get Gizmo 1 cent per minuet calling http://www.gizmoproject.com/ -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Fairwell for now
Sense we're on it though, why would they put out a broken product? If you have to install gentoo from a stage tarball why devlope a live cd that can't even boot right? Maybe because the devlopers understand that if gentoo is to become populare beyond the geek squad they'll have to have something non-programmers can use. I think you will find that is a minority of gentoo programmers - the majority are just fine in geek mode - haven't you heard? the Geek will inherit the earth. 8=} Cheers Antoine -- This is where I should put some witty comment. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Fairwell for now
Am Freitag, 10. März 2006 19:44 schrieb A.R.S. KA9QLQ Alvin Koffman: Bill Gates can sleep good...they even have voice software [8=) Stop trolling and grow up. -- --- Heiko. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Fairwell for now
A.R.S. KA9QLQ Alvin Koffman schreef: As for insulting the developers I said I looked forward to when they had something I [a normal person] could use You know, it just occurs to me to question this often-heard assumption that non-geek=normal -- with geek being defined by these so-called normal people. Is it not normal to want to understand what you're doing when installing an OS? Is it normal to object (vociferously, usually) to having to read the instructions before attempting to perform a complex technical procedure? Is it normal to think that click a fancy button and everything just works is the way things are *supposed* to be, when dealing with a complex technical operation? I personally don't think so, but then again I'm a geek, apparently, and I don't know what normal is, anyway, since I'm apparently not. Not to be rude, but if I was normal, I suppose I would understand how one can be a normal person and severely disabled in the same paragraph, since these conditions either have no relationship to each other (in which case there was no need for the I'm disabled trump card), or contradict each other (in which case the speaker looks like a. person who smells of elderberries). But of course, I'm out of here; pointless flame-fests are not my idea of a fun Friday night. Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] Fairwell for now
-Original Message- From: Moser, Dan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 10:44 AM To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: RE: [gentoo-user] Fairwell for now -Original Message- From: Dave Moore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 10:35 AM To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Fairwell for now Gentoo is pretty stable.. the installer isn't try the old way it's way better and makes you more familiar with your system I just finished (about a week ago) my first non-binary install of a linux distribution, compiling from a stage3, starting with the 2006.0 Gentoo Minimal Install CD. As someone who is still relatively new to Linux, I can attest that this was not very difficult, it simply requires patience and a lot of looking things up. Now that I've got my system up and running, I couldn't be happier I'd recommend trying this route, I'm glad I did. If I had gone with a graphical installer, I wouldn't know half of what I know now about Gentoo.. it was a great learning process. Dave I second Dave's opinion. [Timothy A. Holmes] At the risk of piling on opinions, I agree as well, after doing 15 or so compiled installs, I have moved to the installer for the simple fact of needing to speed up my deployment. My only complaint with the compiled installation is that it takes a lot of time, I cannot just sit down get it going and move on to other tasks. It is faster for me to do the graphical install (all the effort is at the front end) and then just turn it loose, if I need to later, I can rework the kernel and install that. It may not be the ideal deployment strategy, but it appears to be working reasonably well. TIM -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Fairwell for now
But of course, I'm out of here; pointless flame-fests are not my idea of a fun Friday night. Well said. -- -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GAT d-(+) s+: a24 C++ UBL++ P L++ E--- W+++$ N+ o? K? w O? M-- V? !PS !PE Y PGP- t++ 5++ X+ R+++ tv+ b++ DI D++ G e+ h-- r++ y+ --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] Fairwell for now
-- Timothy A. Holmes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At the risk of piling on opinions, I agree as well, after doing 15 or so compiled installs, I have moved to the installer for the simple fact of needing to speed up my deployment. My only complaint with the compiled installation is that it takes a lot of time, I cannot just sit down get it going and move on to other tasks. It is faster for me to do the graphical install (all the effort is at the front end) and then just turn it loose, if I need to later, I can rework the kernel and install that. It may not be the ideal deployment strategy, but it appears to be working reasonably well. TIM Thank you Tim, I like to tinker and learn too, but sometime it's nice to just start the car with out having to rebuild it. Alvin For the best jerky you've ever had go to http://alk.jerkydirect.com/ My home page http://ka9qlq.tripod.com This PC is windows free with Mepis Linux 3.4-3 http://www.mepis.org/ 1(747)632-4973 SIP Get Gizmo 1 cent per minuet calling http://www.gizmoproject.com/ -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Fairwell for now
On Fri, 2006-03-10 at 20:32 +0100, Holly Bostick wrote: A.R.S. KA9QLQ Alvin Koffman schreef: As for insulting the developers I said I looked forward to when they had something I [a normal person] could use You know, it just occurs to me to question this often-heard assumption that non-geek=normal -- with geek being defined by these so-called normal people. Is it not normal to want to understand what you're doing when installing an OS? Is it normal to object (vociferously, usually) to having to read the instructions before attempting to perform a complex technical procedure? Is it normal to think that click a fancy button and everything just works is the way things are *supposed* to be, when dealing with a complex technical operation? I personally don't think so, but then again I'm a geek, apparently, and I don't know what normal is, anyway, since I'm apparently not. Not to be rude, but if I was normal, I suppose I would understand how one can be a normal person and severely disabled in the same paragraph, since these conditions either have no relationship to each other (in which case there was no need for the I'm disabled trump card), or contradict each other (in which case the speaker looks like a. person who smells of elderberries). But of course, I'm out of here; pointless flame-fests are not my idea of a fun Friday night. Holly Amen to that. The US government has labelled me mentally disabled, and I still managed to successfully install Gentoo on three different PCs... If someone like me can do it, anyone can. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Fairwell for now
Michael Sullivan wrote: Amen to that. The US government has labelled me mentally disabled, and I still managed to successfully install Gentoo on three different PCs... If someone like me can do it, anyone can. Well, maybe you've *GOT* to be mentally disabled to be able to install and appreciate Gentoo? :) SCNR, Alexander Skwar -- Antonym, n.: The opposite of the word you're trying to think of. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Fairwell for now
* on the Thu, Mar 09, 2006 at 07:06:14PM -0800, A.R.S. KA9QLQ Alvin Koffman said: Well I can't get the live cd to boot so I'll check back in a year to see if Gentoo has it's act togather yet. I do look forward to running Gentoo, someday. Alvin The live cd is still pretty new and could have some bugs. What issues are you having? Do you get any error messages? What are the specs of the box you are trying to boot it on? Jim -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Fairwell for now
A.R.S. KA9QLQ Alvin Koffman wrote: Well I can't get the live cd to boot so I'll check back in a year to see if Gentoo has it's act togather yet. I do look forward to running Gentoo, someday. Alvin For the best jerky you've ever had go to http://alk.jerkydirect.com/ My home page http://ka9qlq.tripod.com This PC is windows free with Mepis Linux 3.4-3 http://www.mepis.org/ 1(747)632-4973 SIP Get Gizmo 1 cent per minuet calling http://www.gizmoproject.com/ Man, not to sound mean but this is what I was afraid of when the Gentoo Installer was released. =/ I really don't think Gentoo is that hard to install if you just read the docs. Gentoo was my first Linux OS..man I read alot during the first months. -Jeremy -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Fairwell for now
On 3/10/06, A.R.S. KA9QLQ Alvin Koffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well I can't get the live cd to boot so I'll check back in a year to see if Gentoo has it's act togather yet. I do look forward to running Gentoo, someday. Alvin I've trying to help you at the My screen goes off on boot thread, gave you alternatives, we discussed the problem, it can be your monitor (my best bet), or you could add a little effort and really config Xorg to work with default driver VESA and low screen resolutions, but you seem to want everything out of the box. If your framebuffer is working, you could simply CTRL+ALT+F1 and run the command-line installer, wich is a little more effort, but I've tried, and it works, or you could just use gentoo-nofb and add nox to your kernel options and use it without framebuffer. Its still Linux. If you want a CD that just runs and installs check another OS, I would say its name, but its been so long since my last blue screen of death, format, reinstall, check for viruses, burn your firewall days ;) For the best jerky you've ever had go to http://alk.jerkydirect.com/ My home page http://ka9qlq.tripod.com This PC is windows free with Mepis Linux 3.4-3 http://www.mepis.org/ 1(747)632-4973 SIP Get Gizmo 1 cent per minuet calling http://www.gizmoproject.com/ -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- Daniel da Veiga Computer Operator - RS - Brazil -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.1 GCM/IT/P/O d-? s:- a? C++$ UBLA++ P+ L++ E--- W+++$ N o+ K- w O M- V- PS PE Y PGP- t+ 5 X+++ R+* tv b+ DI+++ D+ G+ e h+ r+ y++ --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
