Re: [Gimp-developer] We should go for a single-window mode in 2.8

2009-10-01 Thread Alexia Death
On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 3:17 AM, peter sikking pe...@mmiworks.net wrote: another thing I see here is filling the new tile immediately with the same thing as the parent one. I thought I wanted to do that too, but then realised that in GIMP an empty tile would be automatically a drag-n-drop

Re: [Gimp-developer] We should go for a single-window mode in 2.8

2009-10-01 Thread peter sikking
Alexia Death wrote: On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 3:17 AM, peter sikking pe...@mmiworks.net wrote: another thing I see here is filling the new tile immediately with the same thing as the parent one. Auto filling fits with blender UI concept but not with gimp-s. Its important to remember that in

Re: [Gimp-developer] We should go for a single-window mode in 2.8

2009-10-01 Thread Guillermo Espertino
Peter: Thanks for your reply. You exposed some issues that I didn't took in consideration. Of course I'm not saying that Blender's UI can be ported as-is to GIMP. However I found some of those ideas pretty interesting for our case. first I noticed this set-up has no rulers or scrollbars. we

Re: [Gimp-developer] We should go for a single-window mode in 2.8

2009-10-01 Thread Guillermo Espertino
Just a couple of things: - The splitting could display another view of the same image, just like in blender. That would make working with views a breeze (for icons or pixel art, for instance). It doesn't need to be empty if you dragged it from an existing image window - About the problem of

Re: [Gimp-developer] We should go for a single-window mode in 2.8

2009-09-30 Thread peter sikking
Guillermo, What do you think about the method for splitting/joining views in Blender 2.5? It's fast, it kinda covers the idea of the image parade and it allows to float a section as a new window. The only thing needed would be something to mark which is the active image and that would be

Re: [Gimp-developer] We should go for a single-window mode in 2.8

2009-09-29 Thread Jakub Friedl
On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 5:56 PM, Cole cole.ans...@googlemail.com wrote: If implemented correctly the user that prefers a multiple-window mode gimp wouldn’t see much difference from the existing gimp version to a gimp version that supported a single-window mode. Only if I can dock

Re: [Gimp-developer] We should go for a single-window mode in 2.8

2009-09-29 Thread Nathan Summers
On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 11:56 AM, Cole cole.ans...@googlemail.com wrote: / For developers: CurlyAnkles gtk+ lib has tab/tile widgets I'm talking // about: URL. / Eeek, here is the missing URL: http://curlyankles.sourceforge.net/widgets_docking.html Alexandre Hello, I think the term

Re: [Gimp-developer] We should go for a single-window mode in 2.8

2009-09-29 Thread Jon A. Cruz
On Sep 29, 2009, at 9:40 AM, Nathan Summers wrote: I'm still thinking GIMP could benefit from Eclipse-style perspectives, where which dialogs are visible and which are hidden are user-defined sets that can be switched between. The user can then define which dialogs are useful for certain

Re: [Gimp-developer] We should go for a single-window mode in 2.8

2009-09-28 Thread Cole
/ For developers: CurlyAnkles gtk+ lib has tab/tile widgets I'm talking // about: URL. / Eeek, here is the missing URL: http://curlyankles.sourceforge.net/widgets_docking.html Alexandre Hello, I think the term single-window mode is potentially confusing. It's how you dock the windows

Re: [Gimp-developer] We should go for a single-window mode in 2.8

2009-09-28 Thread peter sikking
Cole wrote: I think the term single-window mode is potentially confusing. It's how you dock the windows together that gives the user the *perceived* single-window or multiple-window mode. well, if I have to formulate it, then single-window is users' preference for a flat working surface,

Re: [Gimp-developer] We should go for a single-window mode in 2.8

2009-09-21 Thread Tom Rathborne
Hi Jolie, On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 01:00:15PM +0200, jolie S wrote: When I work in GIMP what happens to me quite a lot is that I click just next to a window of an image I'm working on and all my GIMP windows are not shown on my screen anymore because I activated the application I had visibly

Re: [Gimp-developer] We should go for a single-window mode in 2.8

2009-09-21 Thread Tom Rathborne
Hi Peter, On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 07:26:10PM +0200, peter sikking wrote: I have now blogged about the single-window mode: http://www.mmiworks.net/eng/publications/2009/09/gimp-single-mode.html Great ideas! I won't be a single-window mode user, mainly because my window manager doesn't suck,

Re: [Gimp-developer] We should go for a single-window mode in 2.8

2009-09-21 Thread Thorsten Wilms
On Sun, 2009-09-20 at 23:49 -0400, Tom Rathborne wrote: (I also use focus-follows mouse and no-autoraise :) ) Interesting to see the focus-follows-mouse and no-autoraise combination mentioned several times. In contrast, I use focus-follows-mouse with autoraise (with 0 delay). It allows me to

Re: [Gimp-developer] We should go for a single-window mode in 2.8

2009-09-21 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 9:26 PM, peter sikking wrote: hey guys, I have now blogged about the single-window mode: http://www.mmiworks.net/eng/publications/2009/09/gimp-single-mode.html Peter, I'm afraid this is not going to work for a lot of users. Let's start with a mission statement: a

Re: [Gimp-developer] We should go for a single-window mode in 2.8

2009-09-21 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 9:36 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: For developers: CurlyAnkles gtk+ lib has tab/tile widgets I'm talking about: URL. Eeek, here is the missing URL: http://curlyankles.sourceforge.net/widgets_docking.html Alexandre ___

Re: [Gimp-developer] We should go for a single-window mode in 2.8

2009-09-21 Thread Akkana Peck
peter sikking writes: hey guys, I have now blogged about the single-window mode: http://www.mmiworks.net/eng/publications/2009/09/gimp-single-mode.html I was really getting excited about getting tabs in the image window (the image parade idea would achieve a similar function), since it would

Re: [Gimp-developer] We should go for a single-window mode in 2.8

2009-09-20 Thread David Gowers
On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 8:30 PM, jolie S for...@gimpusers.com wrote: Also I've slept on it and given it some more thought and I'd like to ask again if you would please give having multiple images open at the same time some more thought. IMO being able to work on more images at the same time is

Re: [Gimp-developer] We should go for a single-window mode in 2.8

2009-09-20 Thread Liam R E Quin
On Sun, 2009-09-20 at 20:51 +0930, David Gowers wrote: Perhaps a split-panel option for single window mode would resolve this. (I believe we could still only reasonably show a maximum of 2 images at once; this is simply a limitation of the single-window format AFAICS.) Do you mean that the

Re: [Gimp-developer] We should go for a single-window mode in 2.8

2009-09-20 Thread Ville Pätsi
On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 01:00:15PM +0200, jolie S wrote: For me the big difference is usability. When I work in GIMP what happens to me quite a lot is that I click just next to a window of an image I'm working on and all my GIMP windows are not shown on my screen anymore because I activated

Re: [Gimp-developer] We should go for a single-window mode in 2.8

2009-09-20 Thread David Gowers
On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 8:57 PM, Liam R E Quin l...@holoweb.net wrote: On Sun, 2009-09-20 at 20:51 +0930, David Gowers wrote: Perhaps a split-panel option for single window mode would resolve this. (I believe we could still only reasonably show a maximum of 2 images at once; this is simply a

Re: [Gimp-developer] We should go for a single-window mode in 2.8

2009-09-20 Thread Liam R E Quin
On Sun, 2009-09-20 at 13:00 +0200, jolie S wrote: When I work in GIMP what happens to me quite a lot is that I click just next to a window of an image I'm working on and all my GIMP windows are not shown on my screen anymore because I activated the application I had visibly open below the

Re: [Gimp-developer] We should go for a single-window mode in 2.8

2009-09-16 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 10:22 PM, peter sikking wrote: I suspect most of them are gone, when things are implemented to spec. BTW, I'm really curious what you will decide to do with the currently existing Image Chooser combobox for SDI mode :) Alexandre

Re: [Gimp-developer] We should go for a single-window mode in 2.8

2009-09-14 Thread peter sikking
Liam R E Quin wrote: OK, I am listening. can you explain to me how this worked better in 2.6? First, note that I said right now -- although strictly speaking I should have said a month ago, I need to update. Sorry that I did not follow up on this sooner, but it may have been a good thing.

Re: [Gimp-developer] We should go for a single-window mode in 2.8

2009-09-12 Thread Chris Moller
On 09/11/09 12:46, harold wrote: Hi, We are making pretty good progress towards GIMP 2.8 which has turned into an everything but GEGL release. I think it would make sense to also go for a single-window mode in 2.8 and not 2.10 as originally planned. By doing this we will be able to focus

Re: [Gimp-developer] We should go for a single-window mode in 2.8

2009-09-12 Thread Martin Nordholts
On 09/13/2009 12:41 AM, Chris Moller wrote: FWIW, a -1 from me on single window and a +1 on the existing multi-window. Single windows are generally too cluttered up with stuff you don't need at the moment and use screen space inefficiently. Let's clear this up once and for all: The

Re: [Gimp-developer] We should go for a single-window mode in 2.8

2009-09-07 Thread peter sikking
Liam wrote: Right now gimp is broken for working on multiple projects (the file/save changes have rendered it too hard to keep track of where images are being exported) but the use case is central (I think) to how single window needs to work. OK, I am listening. can you explain to me how

Re: [Gimp-developer] We should go for a single-window mode in 2.8

2009-09-07 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 7:49 PM, Martin Nordholts wrote: We are making pretty good progress towards GIMP 2.8 which has turned into an everything but GEGL release. I think it would make sense to also go for a single-window mode in 2.8 and not 2.10 as originally planned. By doing this we will

Re: [Gimp-developer] We should go for a single-window mode in 2.8

2009-09-07 Thread Martin Nordholts
On 09/07/2009 07:07 PM, Shashwat wrote: Whatever you guys do. Please make it work with KDE kwin windows manager. The current UI doesn't work with Kwin or Compiz. You'll have to file a bug report with those window managers, there's nothing GIMP can sensibly do about them not supporting the

Re: [Gimp-developer] We should go for a single-window mode in 2.8

2009-09-07 Thread Monty Montgomery
No objections--- mostly I would urge developers to plan what they're going to do, make the changes, and stick to it. I know that's always been the plan but it doesn't feel like it when you're using the different versions. The random UI changes that appear in each release throw off folks who use

Re: [Gimp-developer] We should go for a single-window mode in 2.8

2009-09-07 Thread Alexia Death
On Monday 07 September 2009 20:13:23 Martin Nordholts wrote: On 09/07/2009 07:07 PM, Shashwat wrote: Whatever you guys do. Please make it work with KDE kwin windows manager. The current UI doesn't work with Kwin or Compiz. You'll have to file a bug report with those window managers,

Re: [Gimp-developer] We should go for a single-window mode in 2.8

2009-09-07 Thread Omari Stephens
Martin Nordholts wrote: Hi, We are making pretty good progress towards GIMP 2.8 which has turned into an everything but GEGL release. I think it would make sense to also go for a single-window mode in 2.8 and not 2.10 as originally planned. ::snip? SNIP!:: Hi, all. I might be daft, but

Re: [Gimp-developer] We should go for a single-window mode in 2.8

2009-09-07 Thread peter sikking
Omari Stephens wrote: The phrase single-window mode really means absolutely nothing to me. Can someone draw a simple mock-up to make it clear? I will blog about it soon, so you know what I am up to. --ps founder + principal interaction architect man + machine

Re: [Gimp-developer] We should go for a single-window mode in 2.8

2009-09-07 Thread Liam R E Quin
On Mon, 2009-09-07 at 09:50 +0200, peter sikking wrote: Liam wrote: Right now gimp is broken for working on multiple projects (the file/save changes have rendered it too hard to keep track of where images are being exported) but the use case is central (I think) to how single window

Re: [Gimp-developer] We should go for a single-window mode in 2.8

2009-09-07 Thread Karl Günter Wünsch
On Monday 07 September 2009, Martin Nordholts wrote: On 09/07/2009 07:07 PM, Shashwat wrote: Whatever you guys do. Please make it work with KDE kwin windows manager. The current UI doesn't work with Kwin or Compiz. You'll have to file a bug report with those window managers, there's

Re: [Gimp-developer] We should go for a single-window mode in 2.8

2009-09-07 Thread Karl Günter Wünsch
On Saturday 05 September 2009, Martin Nordholts wrote: A single-window mode would also turn 2.8 into a remarkable release, with both layer-groups and a single-window mode, none of which were originally planned for 2.8. Why not have it both ways - by simply making the toolboxes dockable...

Re: [Gimp-developer] We should go for a single-window mode in 2.8

2009-09-07 Thread Tobias Jakobs
On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 17:49, Martin Nordholtsense...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, We are making pretty good progress towards GIMP 2.8 which has turned into an everything but GEGL release. I think it would make sense to also go for a single-window mode in 2.8 and not 2.10 as originally planned.

Re: [Gimp-developer] We should go for a single-window mode in 2.8

2009-09-06 Thread Ramón Miranda
David G said always opened like this and Gimp already has the ability to save it's layout too. Photoshop allowed this perfectly and still was a single window program. i would like to have also the ability so save my workspace and change inside the gimp from. for example. paint workspace to a

Re: [Gimp-developer] We should go for a single-window mode in 2.8

2009-09-06 Thread Liam R E Quin
On Sun, 2009-09-06 at 06:37 +0200, David G. wrote: I don't know why people mention so much that if you create a single window Gimp that that it will not allow you to put your tools in a second monitor because I used Photoshop also many times and despite it being a single window program it

Re: [Gimp-developer] We should go for a single-window mode in 2.8

2009-09-05 Thread Richard Nespithal
A single-window mode would also turn 2.8 into a remarkable release is it possible, to switch back to multi-window mode in 2.8? It's very hard to work within one window, especially if you're using more than one monitor (and edit many images) lg richy On Sat, 05 Sep 2009 17:49:22 +0200 Martin

Re: [Gimp-developer] We should go for a single-window mode in 2.8

2009-09-05 Thread Martin Nordholts
On 09/05/2009 06:22 PM, Richard Nespithal wrote: A single-window mode would also turn 2.8 into a remarkable release is it possible, to switch back to multi-window mode in 2.8? That is not really relevant to this thread. (But yes of course it will be possible.) / Martin -- My GIMP Blog:

Re: [Gimp-developer] We should go for a single-window mode in 2.8

2009-09-05 Thread Ramón Miranda
I like modular structures becouse they allows more custom changes. So this way you can change your layout of panels. But if all it would be in a single window , ithink lot of users would thanks that. becouse i hear a lot... Gimp is nice , but his gui is ugly and uncomfortable.i don´t like to see a

Re: [Gimp-developer] We should go for a single-window mode in 2.8

2009-09-05 Thread SorinN
The single big problem with the MDI was when the toolbox and / or other boxes remain on top of other opened windows when you minimize the canvas window. Now with GIMP 2.7 things are changed so MDI will not be such a problem. But indeed a single window app. was a necessary step. Will be super OK