Re: Getting started w/ MythTV [was Re: Tivo vs MythTV]

2006-11-09 Thread Thomas Charron
On 11/8/06, Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Happauge cards are generally a safe bet, as nearly all of them with the exeption of the 'WinTV' cards are supported.Now I'm more confused.Pretty much *all* of their products appearto have WinTV in the name.???:-) My bad. I was refering to the old

Re: Tivo vs MythTV (was: *pout* HDTV No Recordee....)

2006-11-08 Thread Tom Buskey
On 11/7/06, Randy Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Those of you here who are already using MythTV, how do you find it works in day-to-day usage? Brilliantly. I have a back end on Debian Etch/Testing with 3 tuners (a PVR-350 and a PVR-500) and while the IVTV drivers aren't the most

Re: Tivo vs MythTV (was: *pout* HDTV No Recordee....)

2006-11-08 Thread Thomas Charron
On 11/8/06, Tom Buskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can Myth be used like a PC displaying on the TV?I use Galleon on theTivo to play shoutcast, show weather, podcasts, movie times andlocations, etc.I'd imagine Myth can do that. *nod* It can web browse, minus the Java, etc.. And if the data is present

Re: Tivo vs MythTV (was: *pout* HDTV No Recordee....)

2006-11-08 Thread Ted Roche
On Nov 7, 2006, at 8:43 PM, Ben Scott wrote: Absolutely. The thought of TV without a good DVR is totally unacceptable to me now. It's obvious we don't have to sell you on the joys of PVR. The question you asked was whether MythTV is as Hands-Off as Tivo, and I think the answer is No.

Re: Tivo vs MythTV (was: *pout* HDTV No Recordee....)

2006-11-08 Thread Ted Roche
On Nov 8, 2006, at 8:10 AM, Tom Buskey wrote: On the Tivo, I can tell it to record everything with an actor (Tom Hanks say) or genre (motorcycle racing) or keyword (quilting). When I select a series, I can say only 1st run; no repeats. I guess alot of that comes down to the quality of your

Re: Tivo vs MythTV (was: *pout* HDTV No Recordee....)

2006-11-08 Thread Dave Johnson
Ben Scott writes: Those of you here who are already using MythTV, how do you find it works in day-to-day usage? I've been using MythTV for about 2 years or so. I like it alot better than the tivo I had before that. It has it's bugs, but they are usually minor and can be worked around

Re: Tivo vs MythTV (was: *pout* HDTV No Recordee....)

2006-11-08 Thread Travis Roy
If you want the best how-to for MythTV for just getting a box up and working then this is it: http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmyth.php I used it the two times I set up a myth box and it was great. But having a Tivo that just works and as somebody that loves the suggestions feature (something

Re: Tivo vs MythTV (was: *pout* HDTV No Recordee....)

2006-11-08 Thread Ben Scott
On 11/8/06, Tom Buskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yup, that's been my mindset, and Myth has met that criteria well. It's completely revamped the way I watch TV. The number of hours watched has fallen a lot, but the quality of what I watch has skyrocketed. I'm in a All good stuff for

Re: Tivo vs MythTV (was: *pout* HDTV No Recordee....)

2006-11-08 Thread Ben Scott
On 11/8/06, Dave Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really like the split model [backend + frontend(s)] which allows me to have a fanless, diskless, no-moving-parts frontend computer for the TV and a big server in the garage^H^H^H^H^H^H^H server-room. Now, that is neat. And, ironically,

Re: Tivo vs MythTV (was: *pout* HDTV No Recordee....)

2006-11-08 Thread Ben Scott
On 11/8/06, Ted Roche [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The question you asked was whether MythTV is as Hands-Off as Tivo, and I think the answer is No. While the tweaking involved is pretty minor, there probably are a few more rough edges to work out. [...] Well, I haven't even read the manual yet.

Re: Tivo vs MythTV (was: *pout* HDTV No Recordee....)

2006-11-08 Thread Travis Roy
We are, after all, comparing a multi-million-dollar consumer appliance with an unfunded open-source project. The fact that they are of a comparable value is a remarkable tribute to the Open Source process, imo. Absolutely. I'm not trying to disparage MythTV. I'm just trying to make a

Re: Tivo vs MythTV (was: *pout* HDTV No Recordee....)

2006-11-08 Thread Randy Edwards
What's the payback for giving away guide data? It's funny you mention that. Just yesterday I corrected the guide's channel listings for my local cable company. Besides corrections like that, the guide needs to encourage people to code apps to their service, which some Mythers do.

Re: Tivo vs MythTV (was: *pout* HDTV No Recordee....)

2006-11-08 Thread Dave Johnson
Ben Scott writes: Note you can get unencrypted HD off of Cable in addition to OTA. Any idea how many unencrypted HD channels there are? Every broadcast channel. In my case that's the HD versions of: 2, 4, 5, 7, 9, 25, 38 last I checked In addition, comcast sends 2 version of the analog

Re: Tivo vs MythTV (was: *pout* HDTV No Recordee....)

2006-11-08 Thread Ben Scott
On 11/8/06, Randy Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's the payback for giving away guide data? It's funny you mention that. Just yesterday I corrected the guide's channel listings for my local cable company. Hmmm, kinda like a FreeDB.org for TV. *nods* Besides corrections like that,

Getting started w/ MythTV [was Re: Tivo vs MythTV]

2006-11-08 Thread Paul Lussier
This has been a very interesting and informative thread, thanks for the education! I've been on-the-fence wrt Tivo for several years now. I've always loved the idea, but just never gotten around to getting one. I thought about setting up MythTV, but at the time it sounded like it something you

Re: Tivo vs MythTV (was: *pout* HDTV No Recordee....)

2006-11-08 Thread Ted Roche
On Nov 8, 2006, at 8:56 AM, Ben Scott wrote: I do wonder about the guide data for MythTV. I guess it's freely available on the 'net right now? Will that last, I wonder, if MythTV really started to gain market share. (Say, because turn-key MythTV boxes enabled more adoption.) I'm always

Re: Tivo vs MythTV

2006-11-08 Thread Paul Lussier
Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From what I've read, Hauppauge is *the* brand of card to get, but I'm a little confused about the differences between the PVR-150 and the PVR-250. Is it just the software bundle, or is the hardware different, too? Also, does the decoder/output on the

Re: Tivo vs MythTV

2006-11-08 Thread Paul Lussier
Dave Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Every broadcast channel. In my case that's the HD versions of: 2, 4, 5, 7, 9, 25, 38 last I checked In addition, comcast sends 2 version of the analog channels over the coax. An analog version for for people without set-top boxes and a digital SD

Re: Tivo vs MythTV (was: *pout* HDTV No Recordee....)

2006-11-08 Thread fj1200
-- Original message -- From: Dave Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ben Scott writes: Those of you here who are already using MythTV, how do you find it works in day-to-day usage? I've been using MythTV for about 2 years or so. I like it alot better than the

Re: Getting started w/ MythTV [was Re: Tivo vs MythTV]

2006-11-08 Thread Randy Edwards
I'd like a back-end server with lots of disk space and maybe 2 or 3 capture cards that I can stuff somewhere out of site, There are a variety of tuner cards available for Myth now. To me, multiple cards are about mandatory, even if you don't watch much TV. I love the PVR-500 (2 tuners

Re: Tivo vs MythTV

2006-11-08 Thread Paul Lussier
Dave Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You can also just plug in the coax to a HDTV with a digital tuner and get the same result. Hmm, I didn't know that. How do I find the HD channels? When I tune my TV to the channel number advertised by Comcast, I get a black screen. Presumably that

Re: Tivo vs MythTV

2006-11-08 Thread Dave Johnson
Paul Lussier writes: Dave Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You can also just plug in the coax to a HDTV with a digital tuner and get the same result. Hmm, I didn't know that. How do I find the HD channels? When I tune my TV to the channel number advertised by Comcast, I get a black

Re: Tivo vs MythTV

2006-11-08 Thread Thomas Charron
See http://www.pchdtv.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=882sid=790b0250ceaa189090e790e53c445505 Comcast does randomize their frequency usage, which is a big nono for them to do, but they do it apperently. But basically, you just have to find the frequency. There are utilizites that will scan for them,

Re: Tivo vs MythTV

2006-11-08 Thread Kevin D. Clark
I for one am really enjoying this thread. I don't watch a lot of TV shows, don't own a DVR device, etc., but maybe some sort of DVR or HD device will be in my future. I used to work at a small video editing shop a long time ago but ever since then I am woefully behind the times when it comes to

Re: Getting started w/ MythTV [was Re: Tivo vs MythTV]

2006-11-08 Thread Thomas Charron
The higher end PVR cards will work with MythTV and work well with nearly all major brand motherboards out there. The cost diference between, say, the PVR-150, 250, 300, 500, etc, is the inclusion of hardware based encoders. A 600 Mhz machine can easily recoder 2 channels when a dual input board

Re: Getting started w/ MythTV [was Re: Tivo vs MythTV]

2006-11-08 Thread Dave Johnson
Paul Lussier writes: So, for these 2 systems, can someone give me a rough list of the essential-to-have hardware and the cost analysis? My main goal here is ease of installation/configuration and minimizing as much as possible hardware incompatibility frustration. I.e., if there's a

Re: Getting started w/ MythTV [was Re: Tivo vs MythTV]

2006-11-08 Thread Jeff Macdonald
On 11/8/06, Dave Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paul Lussier writes: So, for these 2 systems, can someone give me a rough list of the essential-to-have hardware and the cost analysis?Or you could just buy a pre-built system. http://www.monolithmc.com/Courtesy of Google Ads (note, I haven't

Re: Tivo vs MythTV

2006-11-08 Thread Ben Scott
On 11/8/06, Thomas Charron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Comcast does randomize their frequency usage, which is a big nono for them to do, but they do it apperently. I'm *shocked* to hear that. ;-) Bear in mind, this is for NON ENCRYPTED HD signals. Some channels transmitted in HD will

Re: Tivo vs MythTV

2006-11-08 Thread Chip Marshall
On November 08, 2006, Ben Scott sent me the following: Another practical upshot of all that is that you'll never see a Linux PC that you can plug a CableCARD into. I suspect you'll never even be able to do it on 'doze. The cable operators want things locked up tight. There are/will be

Re: Tivo vs MythTV

2006-11-08 Thread Ben Scott
On 11/8/06, Chip Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are/will be CableCard adapters for PCs, such as the ATi OCUR (Open Cable Uni-directional Receiver), but from what I've seen, they'll only be available to Windows Media Center PC OEMs. Well, since all a CableCARD is is a PCMCIA card,

Re: Getting started w/ MythTV [was Re: Tivo vs MythTV]

2006-11-08 Thread Ben Scott
On 11/8/06, Thomas Charron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The cost diference between, say, the PVR-150, 250, 300, 500, etc, is the inclusion of hardware based encoders. That's what I expected, but it's confusing as hell. Their marketing department needs to work on product differentiation on their

Tivo vs MythTV (was: *pout* HDTV No Recordee....)

2006-11-07 Thread Ben Scott
On 11/7/06, Thomas Charron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm actually having them install 2 extra non HD receivers for MythTV. :-) It's a tough decision for me (TiVo Series 3 vs MythTV). I'm not that interested in high def TV right now. Most of the programs I watch are not in HD anyway, or

Re: Tivo vs MythTV (was: *pout* HDTV No Recordee....)

2006-11-07 Thread Thomas Charron
On 11/7/06, Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/7/06, Thomas Charron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm actually having them install 2 extra non HD receivers for MythTV.:-) It's a tough decision for me (TiVo Series 3 vs MythTV).I'm not that interested in high def TV right now.Most of the programs

Re: Tivo vs MythTV (was: *pout* HDTV No Recordee....)

2006-11-07 Thread Neil Joseph Schelly
On Tuesday 07 November 2006 02:45 pm, Ben Scott wrote: Those of you here who are already using MythTV, how do you find it works in day-to-day usage? My wife and I use ours a lot, but there have been wrinkles. If you intend to keep up with the latest versions, then backup often. I find I

Re: Tivo vs MythTV (was: *pout* HDTV No Recordee....)

2006-11-07 Thread Tom Buskey
On 11/7/06, Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At the same time, though, my Series 2 box is starting to show signs of old age. I suspect at least one of the hard drives is going bad -- perhaps both, since they are identical models purchased and installed at the same time. But even if I get

Re: Tivo vs MythTV (was: *pout* HDTV No Recordee....)

2006-11-07 Thread Travis Roy
I'm not sure the MultiRoom viewing thing is available either. For me, I just have my tivo and my normal receiver are in the basement. They go into a dual channel modulator. I have a couple IR repeaters. Now I have TiVo in every room at any time and dont' have to buy more hardware.

Re: Tivo vs MythTV (was: *pout* HDTV No Recordee....)

2006-11-07 Thread Ted Roche
On Nov 7, 2006, at 2:45 PM, Ben Scott wrote: Those of you here who are already using MythTV, how do you find it works in day-to-day usage? Like I hear from my Tivo friends, It will change your life. On the Columbus Day holiday, I installed a PVR-150mce in a spare FC5 box following Jarod

Re: Tivo vs MythTV (was: *pout* HDTV No Recordee....)

2006-11-07 Thread Neil Joseph Schelly
On Tuesday 07 November 2006 07:21 pm, Ted Roche wrote: It Just Works to coin a phrase. Or it doesn't. X-Files on Turner record fine, on Sci-Fi, they never do, so perhaps I have a setup error. But mostly it just works. I had an issue with SciFi too. You can fine-tune the channels in the MythTV

Re: Tivo vs MythTV (was: *pout* HDTV No Recordee....)

2006-11-07 Thread Ben Scott
On 11/7/06, Tom Buskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Drive replacement isn't hard. I know. I upgraded it from the single 80 GB drive it came with to the twin 120 GB units that are in there now. ;-) S3 takes away 1 feature that S2 had: Tivo2go. In order to get the HDTV and the CableCard, Tivo

Re: Tivo vs MythTV (was: *pout* HDTV No Recordee....)

2006-11-07 Thread Ben Scott
On 11/7/06, Ted Roche [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Those of you here who are already using MythTV, how do you find it works in day-to-day usage? Like I hear from my Tivo friends, It will change your life. Absolutely. The thought of TV without a good DVR is totally unacceptable to me now.

Re: Tivo vs MythTV (was: *pout* HDTV No Recordee....)

2006-11-07 Thread Randy Edwards
Those of you here who are already using MythTV, how do you find it works in day-to-day usage? Brilliantly. I have a back end on Debian Etch/Testing with 3 tuners (a PVR-350 and a PVR-500) and while the IVTV drivers aren't the most stable, I have very, very little problem with the