Re: One Laptop Per Child pledge

2006-06-02 Thread Paul Lussier
Tom Buskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 6/1/06, Richard A Sharpe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I must say I agree with Ben, I did the same search through text books, manuals when I was bored, just to see what was there, I think that is missing in computer searches. You've never wandered on

Re: One Laptop Per Child pledge

2006-06-01 Thread Tom Buskey
On 5/31/06, Michael Costolo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess my point is that computers aren't a magic pill.Kids willlearn if their parents spend the time with them to teach them.Itseems increasingly more common that parents (in this country at least)take to some sort of electronic substitute for

Re: One Laptop Per Child pledge

2006-06-01 Thread Michael Costolo
On 6/1/06, Tom Buskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At the risk of sounding indignant, I think you're over reacting. My son (2.5 yrs) seems to treat the computer all the things he does on it as just another toy. Sure I let him at it while I watch TV sometimes. I also let him play with legos, the

Re: One Laptop Per Child pledge

2006-06-01 Thread Jerry Feldman
A number of years ago, the issue of requiring each student have a laptop at a private school came up. While this is quite different from public schools in the US and in third world countries, some of the arguments are still very valid. Back at that time, some of the teachers objected because

Re: One Laptop Per Child pledge

2006-06-01 Thread Jonathan Linowes
a key skill pretty unique to computers is learning through searching and discovery vs memorizing Jonathan ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss

Re: One Laptop Per Child pledge

2006-06-01 Thread Ben Scott
On 6/1/06, Jonathan Linowes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a key skill pretty unique to computers is learning through searching and discovery vs memorizing I disagree. Before computerized dictionaries came along, whenever I went to search through a dictionary to look up a word, I almost always

RE: One Laptop Per Child pledge

2006-06-01 Thread Richard A Sharpe
, not because they are kind, but because you are. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Scott Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 3:33 PM To: gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org Subject: Re: One Laptop Per Child pledge On 6/1/06, Jonathan Linowes [EMAIL

Re: One Laptop Per Child pledge

2006-06-01 Thread Tom Buskey
On 6/1/06, Richard A Sharpe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I must say I agree with Ben, I did the same search through text books,manuals when I was bored, just to see what was there, I think that ismissing in computer searches.You've never wandered on Google? Read a post followed some random links to

Re: One Laptop Per Child pledge

2006-06-01 Thread Ben Scott
On 6/1/06, Tom Buskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/1/06, Richard A Sharpe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I must say I agree with Ben, I did the same search through text books, manuals when I was bored, just to see what was there, I think that is missing in computer searches. You've never wandered

RE: One Laptop Per Child pledge

2006-06-01 Thread Richard A Sharpe
are. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Buskey Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 5:00 PM To: gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org Subject: Re: One Laptop Per Child pledge On 6/1/06, Richard A Sharpe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I must say I agree with Ben, I did

Re: One Laptop Per Child pledge

2006-06-01 Thread Puissante
Jon maddog Hall wrote: ... I am currently reading a book called Collapse: How Societies Choose to Fail or Succeed by Jared Diamond which shows how even some isolated societies collapsed when they did not take into account the global picture. The way of stopping illegal immigrants and to

Re: One Laptop Per Child pledge

2006-06-01 Thread Puissante
Jeff Kinz wrote: On Fri, May 26, 2006 at 10:01:52PM -0400, Fred wrote: ... The original design called for a hand crank but it was determined that it would stress the frame too much. Current plans call for a foot pedal to produce power. None of the power plans require more than periodic

Re: One Laptop Per Child pledge

2006-05-31 Thread Jeff Kinz
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 11:08:01PM -0400, Bill Ricker wrote: Please go see reader Rabbit or Math Blaster in action with kids who are in Kindergarten through fourth grade. Then it will be clear to you. Right on Jeff. My daughter loved Reader Rabbit. I credit Reader Rabbit and Harry

Re: One Laptop Per Child pledge

2006-05-31 Thread Michael Costolo
On 5/30/06, Bill Ricker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please go see reader Rabbit or Math Blaster in action with kids who are in Kindergarten through fourth grade. Then it will be clear to you. Right on Jeff. My daughter loved Reader Rabbit. I credit Reader Rabbit and Harry Potter between them

Re: One Laptop Per Child pledge

2006-05-30 Thread Jeff Kinz
On Thu, May 25, 2006 at 01:26:22PM -0400, Michael Costolo wrote: I've never understood why giving laptops to kids who can't read or add would make them better at reading or math. Please go see reader Rabbit or Math Blaster in action with kids who are in Kindergarten through fourth grade. Then

Re: One Laptop Per Child pledge

2006-05-30 Thread Jeff Kinz
On Thu, May 25, 2006 at 09:04:14PM -0400, Paul Lussier wrote: If my kids didn't play with the physical ones, I'd have much less opportunity to play with that stuff myself :) And let me tell you, it's *FUN* to build big block towers with your kids and knock them down! [yes it is, and the

Re: One Laptop Per Child pledge

2006-05-30 Thread Michael Costolo
On 5/30/06, Jeff Kinz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, May 25, 2006 at 01:26:22PM -0400, Michael Costolo wrote: I've never understood why giving laptops to kids who can't read or add would make them better at reading or math. Please go see reader Rabbit or Math Blaster in action with kids who

Re: One Laptop Per Child pledge

2006-05-30 Thread Jeff Kinz
On Fri, May 26, 2006 at 10:01:52PM -0400, Fred wrote: Anyway, just to add my own $0.02, I don't see the $100 PC making much f a difference -- unless it can connect to the Internet. Otherwise the third world will be limited to whatever content and software their respective governments will

Re: One Laptop Per Child pledge

2006-05-30 Thread Jeff Kinz
On Sat, May 27, 2006 at 04:32:04PM -0400, Richard A Sharpe wrote: I'd support this project if it were to get a laptop in every household in the USA but third world I don't think so, let's start thinking about taking care of our own first the rest of the world. Mitt Romney has already

Re: One Laptop Per Child pledge

2006-05-30 Thread Jeff Kinz
- Original Message - From: Richard A Sharpe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2006 4:32 PM Subject: RE: One Laptop Per Child pledge I'd support this project if it were to get a laptop in every household in the USA

Re: One Laptop Per Child pledge

2006-05-30 Thread Heather Brodeur
David Ecklein wrote: Perhaps I am talking apples and oranges here, in an effort to introduce a note of skepticism. Does anyone have more detailed specs on these Model-T laptops that must be cranked? http://laptop.org/ I haven't been following the project closely, but attended a presentation

Re: One Laptop Per Child pledge

2006-05-30 Thread Jeff Kinz
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 09:10:53AM -0400, Michael Costolo wrote: On 5/30/06, Jeff Kinz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, May 25, 2006 at 01:26:22PM -0400, Michael Costolo wrote: I've never understood why giving laptops to kids who can't read or add would make them better at reading or

Re: One Laptop Per Child pledge

2006-05-30 Thread Bill Ricker
Please go see reader Rabbit or Math Blaster in action with kids who are in Kindergarten through fourth grade. Then it will be clear to you. Right on Jeff. My daughter loved Reader Rabbit. I credit Reader Rabbit and Harry Potter between them for my daughter being literate. Of course, this

Re: One Laptop Per Child pledge

2006-05-28 Thread Ted Roche
On May 27, 2006, at 10:27 PM, David Ecklein wrote: I don't understand this fixation on laptops. These are commodities for the affluent, costing twice as much when new as desktops. They have far less upgrade capability, the screens are delicate and hard to repair, the mouse and keyboard

RE: One Laptop Per Child pledge

2006-05-28 Thread Richard A Sharpe
PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2006 10:28 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org Subject: Re: One Laptop Per Child pledge I don't understand this fixation on laptops. These are commodities for the affluent, costing twice as much when new as desktops. They have far less

Re: One Laptop Per Child pledge

2006-05-28 Thread David Ecklein
Message - From: Ted Roche [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: David Ecklein [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2006 8:24 AM Subject: Re: One Laptop Per Child pledge On May 27, 2006, at 10:27 PM, David Ecklein wrote: I don't understand

Re: One Laptop Per Child pledge

2006-05-28 Thread Bill Ricker
The laptops of the MIT project don't have a lot of resemblance to the disposable, fragile, overpowered 1st-world toys you find for sale at the big box stores. Their design criteria lead them to choose the laptop form factor. I haven't followed the project in detail, but I'd suspect there were

RE: One Laptop Per Child pledge

2006-05-27 Thread Richard A Sharpe
those who are rude to you, not because they are kind, but because you are. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christopher Schmidt Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 10:27 PM To: Fred Cc: gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org Subject: Re: One Laptop Per Child

Re: One Laptop Per Child pledge

2006-05-27 Thread David Ecklein
: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2006 4:32 PM Subject: RE: One Laptop Per Child pledge I'd support this project if it were to get a laptop in every household in the USA but third world I don't think so, let's start thinking about taking care of our own first the rest of the world

Re: One Laptop Per Child pledge

2006-05-26 Thread kevin_d_clark
Paul Lussier writes: Right. Benson, crazy though he is, was foolish enough to think we should take care of people in our country before helping other countries people who can't read and write. That whole Charity begins at home thing is just so, well, un-PC :) Gosh, when you put it that

Re: One Laptop Per Child pledge

2006-05-26 Thread Heather Brodeur
Bill McGonigle wrote: There's a pledge going on here for folks who want to pledge $300 to buy a $100 OLPC laptop: http://www.pledgebank.com/100laptop I've been told that this pledge project is not directly affiliated with the OLPC project, and that the OLPC laptops are not available in the

Re: One Laptop Per Child pledge

2006-05-26 Thread Fred
On Thursday 25 May 2006 21:04, Paul Lussier uttered thusly: ... Yep. Getting computers to people in third world countries. Right. Benson, crazy though he is, was foolish enough to think we should take care of people in our country before helping other countries people who can't read and

Re: One Laptop Per Child pledge

2006-05-26 Thread Bill Ricker
difference -- unless it can connect to the Internet. The MIT folks realize that. They designed them with the 3rd world environment in mind. Each laptop shares it's wireless connection with other laptops in range, so the laptops nearest the one network link at the school repeat it down the street

Re: One Laptop Per Child pledge

2006-05-26 Thread Christopher Schmidt
On Fri, May 26, 2006 at 10:01:52PM -0400, Fred wrote: Anyway, just to add my own $0.02, I don't see the $100 PC making much f a difference -- unless it can connect to the Internet. Otherwise the third world will be limited to whatever content and software their respective governments will

One Laptop Per Child pledge

2006-05-25 Thread Bill McGonigle
There's a pledge going on here for folks who want to pledge $300 to buy a $100 OLPC laptop: http://www.pledgebank.com/100laptop The idea is that your $300 purchase funds two additional laptops in the field. Even $300 seems like a pretty good deal on the hardware, though it probably won't

Re: One Laptop Per Child pledge

2006-05-25 Thread Michael Costolo
On 5/25/06, Bill McGonigle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's a pledge going on here for folks who want to pledge $300 to buy a $100 OLPC laptop: http://www.pledgebank.com/100laptop The idea is that your $300 purchase funds two additional laptops in the field. Even $300 seems like a pretty

Re: One Laptop Per Child pledge

2006-05-25 Thread Tom Buskey
On 5/25/06, Michael Costolo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've never understood why giving laptops to kids who can't read or addwould make them better at reading or math.Hmm.. I have a 2.5 year old at home. He's been playing with mommy's laptop since 18 months or so. At Xmas we got a PC in the living

Re: One Laptop Per Child pledge

2006-05-25 Thread Thomas Charron
I pledge at least 100$ to the laptop.. But the kid will probrably be me. Heck! Playing with a 100$ laptop in my livingroom helps a a child read AND write.. ME! :-) Thomas On 5/25/06, Bill McGonigle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's a pledge going on here for folks who want to pledge $300 to buya

Re: One Laptop Per Child pledge

2006-05-25 Thread Paul Lussier
Tom Buskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 8) He can entertain himself w/o needing mommy or daddy. I've got an almost 4 year old who's been doing that since pretty much day one, and has never really played with the computers in the house or watch TV. Is a computer needed? Maybe not. But he makes