Re: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth

2006-02-21 Thread Bjarne og Leif Drews
Hi, I have also seen the Elizabeth Coronation portrait at the National Portrait Gallery, some years ago. Perhaps they moved it to Windsor for a special exhibition? Bjarne - Original Message - From: Diana Habra [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent:

Re: [h-cost] Silk Tulle, Chiffon, Organza

2006-02-21 Thread Bjarne og Leif Drews
Hi Yes that linen i told you about some time ago, that my embroidery shop has, is so fine that it actually is transparent. Bjarne - Original Message - From: Joan Jurancich [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 1:53 AM Subject:

Re: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth

2006-02-21 Thread Elizabeth Walpole
The over sleeve has a fitted upper half with a bell shaped lower half. If you can find Jean Hunnisett's Period Costume for Stage and Screen, 1500-1800 that's probably the most comprehensive resource on constructing a Tudor outfit (http://www.longago.com/bookstore3.html is the only place

Re: [h-cost] Silk Tulle, Chiffon, Organza

2006-02-21 Thread Caroline
I really haven't seen linen this fine in England. Maybe I haven't looked hard enough. On 21/02/06, Bjarne og Leif Drews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Yes that linen i told you about some time ago, that my embroidery shop has, is so fine that it actually is transparent. Bjarne -

RE: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth

2006-02-21 Thread otsisto
Printers and monitor vary is color. This is what my monitor shows me. This site has the dress in red with tan and dk gold sleeves and forepart. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:ElizabethTudorAt13-woc-0475.jpg Scroll down. It is medium rose pink with sleeves and forepart in monocromatic gold.

RE: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth

2006-02-21 Thread Kate M Bunting
To me, the facial expression in the rose pink version looks slightly different from nos. 1 and 3. I think I remember seeing that version in the Queen's Gallery at Buckingham Palace about 20 years ago. If it's in the Royal Collection it may well now be at Windsor. Kate Bunting Librarian and

Re: [h-cost] Olympics costumes

2006-02-21 Thread Susan Data-Samtak
SInce there was so much coverage, I became interested. Hooked? no If you check out nbc.com, they say they have LOTS of info on the Olympics. Susan Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for.  - Ride the Dark Trail by

Re: [h-cost]Redwork, was Princess Elizabeth

2006-02-21 Thread Kate M Bunting
Speaking of redwork, do you know the one of Bess of Hardwick? Go to http://worldroots.com/brigitte/royal/british/brit-h.htm and click on the first link under her name. I love the way the white fur lining pokes out of the bodice opening. Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor

Re: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth

2006-02-21 Thread Bjarne og Leif Drews
Yes this was the picture i looked at at the National Portrait Gallery. Bjarne - Original Message - From: otsisto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 12:43 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth This is coronation

Re: [h-cost] Silk Tulle, Chiffon, Organza

2006-02-21 Thread Bjarne og Leif Drews
Hi- Well i never dreamed of that it excisted either, untill i saw it with my own eyes. But it also is expensive... Bjarne - Original Message - From: Caroline [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 12:06 PM Subject: Re:

Re: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth

2006-02-21 Thread Lloyd Mitchell
Re the perception of color in these portraits: For you who do dyeing (Natural or otherwise) did the color of dyed textiles of the past change because of exposure to sunlight or was there some chemical element that was not always stable and would mute or even mutate over a period of time. In the

Re: [h-cost] Re: OT: Urinetown (was 1930's factory wear)

2006-02-21 Thread kelly grant
My Show will be costumed and acyed by those in their final year in the Theatre program at Dalhousie University in Halifax. A bit of a commute for you, maybe ;-) The clothes already are being pulled together and look great. I'm looking forward to seeing it. This has been the season of very

[h-cost] Re: Glove Ettiquette (was modes and manners)

2006-02-21 Thread Kahlara
I don't know about hand kissing, but I always understood that if a lady was wearing dress gloves - that is evening gloves or gloves simply as part of her ensemble she left them on and if she was wearing riding or gardening gloves or the like, they came off (obviously I would think) for hand

[h-cost] turban/veils

2006-02-21 Thread Purple Elephant
Hi all, I was wondering if anyone could give me some advice about 14th/15th century habit of wrapping one's veil about one's head to become a kind of turban. I have a general understanding of the procedure, but every time I try it it seems to end up looking bulky and wierd. I was wondering what

RE: [h-cost] Olympics costumes

2006-02-21 Thread otsisto
http://www.balanceplus.com/ I haven't been keeping a close watch on the dance skating but what I have seen seems to match the ballroom dancing/dancing with the stars type outfits. Molting huh? darn I missed that. :) Yes, snowboarding with the rapa' style pants aka. anticipation pants. Have you

Re: [h-cost] Olympics costumes

2006-02-21 Thread Lalah
Don't know about the curling shoes, but the skaters costumes are really awful this year. I was thinking last night that they should have points for the costumes, but then they would all have them deleted so it would balance out. The snowboarding is a cross over from skateboarding and the kids

Re: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth

2006-02-21 Thread Bjarne og Leif Drews
Hi, Ah yes, and the purple wheelfarthingale dress i made for Castle Selsø has turned brownish grey :-) Anyway it was a dupioni silk, and they dont hold their colours very long. Dress was exhibited in a room with morning sun. Bjarne - Original Message - From: Lloyd Mitchell [EMAIL

Re: [h-cost] Olympics costumes

2006-02-21 Thread AnnBWass
In a message dated 2/21/2006 10:27:55 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: but the skaters costumes are really awful this year. I was thinking last night that they should have points for the costumes, but then they would all have them deleted so it would balance out.

Re: [h-cost] Silk chiffon and organza

2006-02-21 Thread AlbertCat
In a message dated 2/21/2006 2:10:56 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But organdy and organza are two very different things, an order of magnitude different in weight! Yeah but they both are used for children's clothes and they both make good petticoats.

Re: [h-cost] Olympics costumes

2006-02-21 Thread Hope Greenberg
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the costumes from last night's long program were an improvement over the compulsory dance ones. I was impressed that the few I saw actually seemed to fit the theme of the music--Romeo and Juliet, Carmen, and flamenco. ...and then there were the

Re: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth

2006-02-21 Thread Diana Habra
Re the perception of color in these portraits: For you who do dyeing (Natural or otherwise) did the color of dyed textiles of the past change because of exposure to sunlight or was there some chemical element that was not always stable and would mute or even mutate over a period of time.

RE: [h-cost]Redwork,

2006-02-21 Thread otsisto
A better picture. http://www.kimiko1.com/research-16th/FrenchHood/1560/BessHardwick.html I sat down once and copied the pattern on graph paper but I can't seem to find it. De -Original Message- Speaking of redwork, do you know the one of Bess of Hardwick? Go to

[h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 173

2006-02-21 Thread Debloughcostumes
In a message dated 2/21/06 4:27:15 PM GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: For you who do dyeing (Natural or otherwise) did the color of dyed textiles of the past change because of exposure to sunlight or was there some chemical element that was not always stable and would mute or

Re: Perception of color, Re: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth

2006-02-21 Thread Suzi Clarke
At 16:01 21/02/2006, you wrote: Fabric dyes vary in their resistance to color change. Some dyes change color, some just fade, some do both. It also depends upon the fabric itself; in my experience cottons and linens tend to hold their colors better than silks. Wools have held their colors

RE: [h-cost]Redwork,

2006-02-21 Thread Suzi Clarke
At 16:25 21/02/2006, you wrote: A better picture. http://www.kimiko1.com/research-16th/FrenchHood/1560/BessHardwick.html I sat down once and copied the pattern on graph paper but I can't seem to find it. De I love it that the neck and wrist ruffs are edged in red too, at least that's how I

RE: [h-cost] Olympics costumes

2006-02-21 Thread Abel, Cynthia
There is always a lot of skin-toned beige in ice-dancing costumes, to say nothing of some unfortunate color combinations. Turqouise blue with leopard print--Ouch! And did most of the competitors lug tanning booths into the Olympic Village, or were several tons of spray-on brought in? Cindy Abel

RE: [h-cost] Anne of cleves and seeing things in contextRe:FlemishRE:tippets ...

2006-02-21 Thread Abel, Cynthia
Anne was curvy--too curvy, apparently that Henry at least stated that he thought she was no virgin. He found her breasts too slack and she certainly was far from possessing six-pack abs. Good Clevian girls were supposed to sit at home and sew and Henry's previous wives were apparently more

RE: [h-cost]Redwork,

2006-02-21 Thread Susan B. Farmer
Quoting otsisto [EMAIL PROTECTED]: A better picture. http://www.kimiko1.com/research-16th/FrenchHood/1560/BessHardwick.html I sat down once and copied the pattern on graph paper but I can't seem to find it. I think it was charted on those temporarily removed blackwork archives that were

Re: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth

2006-02-21 Thread Dawn
Kate M Bunting wrote: To me, the facial expression in the rose pink version looks slightly different from nos. 1 and 3. I think I remember seeing that version in the Queen's Gallery at Buckingham Palace about 20 years ago. If it's in the Royal Collection it may well now be at Windsor. I

Re: [h-cost] 3 musketeers

2006-02-21 Thread Cin
Subject: Re: [h-cost] 3 musketeers To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Hi Cynthia, No no, sorry i take my words back. I really have misunderstanded this. I didnt realise that

Re: [h-cost] Olympics costumes

2006-02-21 Thread Hope Greenberg
Anyone remember the fantastical costumes of another favorite ice dancing pair, the Russian team of Bestimianova and Butin who dominated the sport in the 1980s? For the 1988 Olympic long program they wore this black and gold number: http://www.holidayonice.com/img/stars_nathalie_andre.jpg That

Re: Perception of color, Re: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth

2006-02-21 Thread ruthanneb
Referring to those red fox-hunting jackets as pinks raises the additional question of just what the British historically meant when they called something pink. --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer -Original Message- From: Suzi Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Feb 21,

Re: Perception of color, Re: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth

2006-02-21 Thread Kate M Bunting
Well, the colour name pink is supposed to derive from the flower, which is so called because the edges of the petals are pinked. The uncultivated form of the flower is pink rather than scarlet. Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor [EMAIL PROTECTED] 21/02/2006 19:02 Referring to

*Auto Saved* Re: [h-cost] Olympics costumes

2006-02-21 Thread Jean Waddie
Hope Greenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the costumes from last night's long program were an improvement over the compulsory dance ones. I was impressed that the few I saw actually seemed to fit the theme of the music--Romeo and Juliet, Carmen, and

Re: [h-cost] turban/veils

2006-02-21 Thread Adele de Maisieres
Purple Elephant wrote: I have a general understanding of the procedure, but every time I try it it seems to end up looking bulky and wierd. I was wondering what dimensions of veil seem to work best for this? I use a long, narrow headcloth for this-- ie, about 35cm wide and 2m long. --

Re: Perception of color, Re: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth

2006-02-21 Thread Lloyd Mitchell
Thanks for the many responses to my query on color perception and 'mutations'. This has been very interesting to me with examples of both fibers and painting/printing copies. Through the years I have had customers who come armed with a picture from which they expect a costume copy. Trying to

[h-cost] Re: olympics

2006-02-21 Thread Gail Scott Finke
I am watching plain old NBC, so I haven't seen any curling. But the ice dancing costumes are hilarious! Some of them seem to have things stuck all over them. Some of the women's costumes are cut away in very strange places. Last night I came in the middle of one team with very nice costumes -- I

RE: [h-cost]Redwork,

2006-02-21 Thread otsisto
I graphed it 8 years ago when I had no internet access. Did it from a book that had the portrait in it. De -Original Message- I think it was charted on those temporarily removed blackwork archives that were parked on Drea Leeds web site. Susan

RE: [h-cost] Olympics costumes

2006-02-21 Thread Abel, Cynthia
Yes, some of the skating costumes are not to be believed taste-wise(well, I guess they have to be visible from the nosebleed seats). If any of you watch Project Runway on Bravo, you know how difficult it is to design and do a costume, especially in a two day time-frame that the competiting

Re: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth

2006-02-21 Thread Elizabeth Walpole
- Original Message - From: Becky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 10:40 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth Thank you for the description. I still wonder how the sleeves are attached. There is no strap showing. Is

Re: [h-cost] Re: olympics

2006-02-21 Thread Theresathreadgi
It was the Romeo and Juliet piece, and supposedly they are in love and very happy. didn't skate too bad either theresa ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume

Re: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth

2006-02-21 Thread Becky
I learned how to make the voided velvet in school so I can reproduce the same looking fabric for the under sleeve and skirt front. I found a deep pile velvet to use but haven't bought it yet. So you think that the whole sleeve unit was connected since the chemise does not go all the way down to

Re: [h-cost] Silk chiffon and organza

2006-02-21 Thread Shane Sheridan
Hi Robin! I would be interested in some of the white and some of the bright colours, I am having trouble finding your addy to speak to you directly about it... Sheridan Since there's been such a response, I'll go in tomorrow and buy up the remaining white chiffon and organza (if there is any)

[h-cost] Woolen underclothing....where to find such fabric

2006-02-21 Thread WickedFrau
After a chilly first night at Estrella this year, I was able to purchase a pair of Merino wool socks at merchants row to keep my tootsies warm for the following nights. They are soft and not at all itchy. I began to think how lovely it would be to have an entire nightie made from such a

Re: [h-cost] Woolen underclothing....where to find such fabric

2006-02-21 Thread Lavolta Press
Cashmere! I'm quite sensitive to wool next to the skin (senstivity seems to vary a lot with the individual), but usually not pure cashmere. Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com WickedFrau wrote: Any ideas on where to find wool fabric which is really,

Re: [h-cost] Woolen underclothing....where to find such fabric

2006-02-21 Thread Diana Habra
After a chilly first night at Estrella this year, I was able to purchase a pair of Merino wool socks at merchants row to keep my tootsies warm for the following nights. They are soft and not at all itchy. I began to think how lovely it would be to have an entire nightie made from such a

Re: Victorian ideas of Renaissance clothing, was Re:[h-cost]italianchilds renaissance dress

2006-02-21 Thread Carolyn Kayta Barrows
You have said it! I use their edition of Braun and Schneider for lots of picture references so I can leave the 19th C edition on the shelf. Braun and Schneider is online, colorized, as is Tilke's ethnic costume book. Google for either one. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre

Re: [h-cost] Woolen underclothing....where to find such fabric

2006-02-21 Thread Sue Clemenger
Or alpaca7 times as warm as wool. mm Or, if you were filthy stinking rich, why not qiviut? weg --Sue - Original Message - From: Lavolta Press [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 7:48 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Woolen

[h-cost] Update on silk chiffon and organza

2006-02-21 Thread Robin Netherton
I went over to the fabric store today and made a list of available colors. There were too many for me to want to buy on spec, but I'll be happy to pick up anything that anyone wants, and send it to you. Figure $3.50/yard INCLUDING postage. These are all 100% silk (or so the manufacturers

Re: [h-cost] Woolen underclothing....where to find such fabric

2006-02-21 Thread Lavolta Press
Sue Clemenger wrote: Or alpaca7 times as warm as wool. mm Or, if you were filthy stinking rich, why not qiviut? I don't find alpaca to be particularly softer or warmer than a good quality wool. There's always angora rabbit ... Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com

Re: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth

2006-02-21 Thread Becky
Thanks for that description. I've never made sleeves like these and that helps me to understand how they are placed on the arm. The chemise in is the sleeve, but not the seen white fabric. That is another fabric in the sleeve. The bell shaped ones attach to the bodice and the funnel ones attach

Re: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth

2006-02-21 Thread Elizabeth Walpole
- Original Message - From: Becky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth I learned how to make the voided velvet in school so I can reproduce the same looking fabric for the under