/ commercial VM experience)
Jeroen Frijters (IKVM)
Geir Magnusson Jr. (Apache)
Ricardo Morin (individual w/ commercial VM experience)
Georges Saab (individual w/ commercial VM experience)
Bruno Souza (SOUJava)
Davanum Srinivas (Apache)
Dalibor Topic (Kaffe)
Tom Tromey (GCJ)
Weldon Washburn
related to that. I'm back now (today) and slowing
digging my way out of this avalanche. Stay tuned :)
geir
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target a few times...) Then move on :)
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on this, but in
parallel.
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is bigger than posix threads and
berkely sockets :)
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does, they do)...
I personally am not interested in this being a forcing function :)
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On May 15, 2005, at 4:34 PM, Mladen Turk wrote:
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
On May 12, 2005, at 12:11 PM, Mladen Turk wrote:
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
Then we need to kick out *a lot* of our top level projects.
Can you give an example?
I always thought that ASF projects are independent from third
in this project and I hope it will
result in some great piece of software. I will follow and
participate in
the discussions here on the list and see what I can do to support this
project.
Welcome. Particpate!
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will not be necessary. Is that true? I highly support that as it's
disappointing to see calls like stackTrace require a native call.
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system, they wouldn't always
have to be calling an external JVM.
Could someone capture this in the wiki? I'm on a plane...
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Seems to me we could benefit from having some cooperation here so a
developer could 'clear'
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Yes - we must be clean-room. More on another thread.
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I don't know the others, but BCEL also include a bytecode verifier,
which is not an easy task.
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On May 16, 2005, at 8:50 AM, S. Meslin-Weber wrote:
Hi Geir,
On Mon, May 16, 2005 at 06:47:40AM -0400, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
I have no intention of forking GNU Classpath. Even if we wanted to,
we couldn't because of the license.
Just to be clear on this point, the license for GNU Classpath
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licensing matters in general.
We'll report back as things develop, but for now
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people
to easily tune in to what interests them and keep a tab on the general
flow of the project, while right now things seem a bit willy-nilly.
What do you think?
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On May 17, 2005, at 1:54 PM, Bryce Leo wrote:
Now don't go too crazy for my suggesting this, but why not pascal?
Wow. I've never had such a strong urge to vote someone off the
island :)
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.c, derive2.c,
resolve.c)
There's also an ELF object loader and DWARF2 parser if you need
those :-)
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Add it to the wiki :)
http://wiki.apache.org/harmony/
thanks
On May 17, 2005, at 8:19 AM, Ozgur Akan wrote:
I am translating the proposal to Turkish. Whom shall I sent this
and in which format ?
thanks,
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We've been talking about two threads of discussion, one working with
a C/C++ based VM, one w/ Java.
Here's a Java one for discussion (just want to focus threads...)
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weldon! Been waiting! welcome!
geir
On May 17, 2005, at 7:25 PM, Weldon Washburn wrote:
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Subject: Re: Developing Harmony
On May 16, 2005, at 11:51
know so
we can negotiate, all I want is to be notified about what happens
to my code
and who uses it.
Tom, thanks for this. Comments?
geir
Tom van Dijck
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of
others...
geir
On May 18, 2005, at 8:57 AM, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
On May 18, 2005, at 4:27 AM, Tom van Dijck wrote:
Hi,
I've had some time today to cleanup and make the VM a standalone
thing,
since it pretty much was designed to work together with our Game
Engine.
Full game engine
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interested in code alone, not in either Sun of FOSS politics, and
that positive results will get positive support.
Lets make this a goal too :) Lets get James as a Harmony fan :)
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details. For example, I would like to start a detailed discussion on
JIT and GC interface header files. Should we start this on the
general harmony-dev list?
Weldon
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On May 19, 2005, at 8:18 AM, Jakob Praher wrote:
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
On May 19, 2005, at 5:24 AM, Jakob Praher wrote:
- do we want to concentrate on the server side (jikes rvm would
probably be fine for that) - for instance: no startup issues
- do we want to build something that competes
On May 19, 2005, at 3:37 PM, Thorbjørn Ravn Andersen wrote:
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
Can the VM be tweaked to work on standard OSs?
Not immediately. I have raised the Harmony issue on the
development forums, so I hope that they show interest in the issue
here, and may be able to elaborate
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bootloading VM layer that instantiates the rest of the VM --
again, a la JikesRVM -- is probably a good design decision and
something that can be worked on immediately; not that I'm
volunteering for that myself ;) .
You mean a launcher?
geir
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license and should be looked at before you
start
committing stuff :-)
I'm looking at it. I'm trying to understand how it's architected.
geir
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issue and recognize that it and related can have
some far-reaching effects for us. There will be a post later about
this. Please be patient and hang tight - we'll deal with it.
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and a decent rationale...)
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would imagine that's quite a lot of work.
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of the original premises of the project. It
would be nice to start that component model discussion :)
geir
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for links ?
Look here :
http://www.mudge.nl/java/
Thanks,
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On May 21, 2005, at 4:14 PM, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
On May 21, 2005, at 9:51 AM, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
If the mentors of this project were to write a JVM themselves,
it would
be a piece of crap :-)
Don't sell everyone so short... :)
Prove me
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either at compile time (multiple VM binary program names),
or at runtime (single binary, multiple startup options).
Is this reasonable? Am I reading Weldon and Steve correctly?
Yes.
geir
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the Harmony VM
becomes modular it is something that can probably be investigated
further, anyways.
Exactly :)
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for us.
In parallel, we are working on resolving the licensing issues, but
really trying to keep this from holding back technology collaboration.
Thanks
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the
commercial and non-commercial VMs alike.
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list harmony-arch, for
modularity discussions, to separate out the traffic from the dev
traffic.
Lets get moving. Comments?
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and feel. Or perhaps we
could go the route of python and use the wxWidgets framework.
Opinions?
It's gotta be the same experience for a user as if using Sun's
implementation.
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doing this.
Feel free to reorganize in a way that you see adds value. Whatever
way you set will probably be the way we go forward. :)
geir
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via fresh code, donation or other.
So that said, are you still so against it?
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want to test a piece of software, well I would
like it
to be kind of download it and play.
Yes! So we go out there and get everyone to bundle with our J2SE
distribution. We go there, do the work, and help them. :)
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kernel right now would be a bad mistake, one that might be
gratifying in the short term but that is likely to lay the wrong
foundation for what I think may become the most exciting VM
project yet.
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with it in the
first time.
Regards,
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On May 23, 2005, at 9:35 PM, Renaud
correctnes
at the begining. Once a group is working together they should be
able to migrate to JRVM or whatever could be used as the bases.
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I'm a mentor, I'm also a participant :)
Thanks,
dims
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On May 23, 2005, at 9:54 PM, Davanum Srinivas wrote:
Geir,
Am convinced that we can write a JVM in pure java with minimal C/C
++.
Why? If it has C/C++, it's not pure Java
in the VM itself)
would report to save us the time :)
geir
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On May 25, 2005, at 7:06 AM, netSQL wrote:
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
both C/C++ and Java in this effort.
Good thought.
Lets consider this one step further for holly grail of Cross
Platform: Consider C# (Mono w/ GTK#) and XPCom (Firefox Xross
Platform objects) instaed of C/C
:)
geir
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, and let us
get on with using it directly.
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it more accessibile
and good
looking. These are tasks that anyone could take in charge, but that
are
somehow important anyway.
indeed. thanks
geir
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On May 27, 2005, at 6:12 PM, Matthew French wrote:
On Thu, 2005-05-26 at 15:43 -0400, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
This isn't an immediate goal, but certainly would be something to
keep in mind when architecting ? I mean, you can certainly see VMs
being incorporated into the OS?
Hmmm
On May 27, 2005, at 6:25 PM, Tor-Einar Jarnbjo wrote:
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
(Tomcat : I'd bet they fixed that (or will fix...))
It doesn't seem so. The SSL code has been in Tomcat versions 4.1.x
to 5.5.9 and I just saw that also the LDAP code in Tomcat 5.5.9
uses classes
://jikesrvm.sourceforge.net/info/presentations.shtml#pact01
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On May 28, 2005, at 7:33 AM, Raffaele Castagno wrote:
2005/5/28, Geir Magnusson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Added to Wiki. I wish I could do wiki changes offline...
It's quite simple:
1: open the page
2: copy the wiki source in your favourite text editor, and annotate
the date
of last
On May 28, 2005, at 11:26 AM, Richard S. Hall wrote:
Ulrich Kunitz wrote:
On Fri, 27 May 2005, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
(Tomcat : I'd bet they fixed that (or will fix...))
Well, can't the VM just prevent non-kernel code from using them?
Maybe
overhead too high?
You could play
from other VMs.
geir
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[2] http://wiki.apache.org/general/SummerOfCode2005
[3] http://code.google.com/summerofcode.html
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We don't necessarily have to do it here, but given the wide and deep
community here, we might be able to get some benefit through
coordination and networking.
geir
On Jun 1, 2005, at 9:11 PM, Leo Simons wrote:
On 01-06-2005 18:27, Geir Magnusson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I thought
from others.
2) I don't know for sure, but guess that as time goes on and the Java
API evolves, it might require additions to the JVM/Classlib API
geir
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Classpath or something else?
geir
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it is reasonable to standardize - you'd
just have the standard interface for a given Java API version...
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premature to decide that it isn't), then I'd suggest
improving it
instead of reimplementing a bunch of stuff.
Yes. I want to improve. Lets learn from GNU Classpath.
geir
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from the one
Classpath provides? I don't understand that.
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extending java.lang,
which I just personally don't really like. I understand why it's
done - to just take advantage of the language protection features -
but I wonder if there are other ways that are equally as satisfactory
for the intended purpose.
geir
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On Jun 5, 2005, at 1:30 PM, Sven de Marothy wrote:
On Sun, 2005-06-05 at 06:21 -0300, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
That's not fair. I told you that *I* think that extending java.lang
is a *bad idea*. You many not agree, but that's not the same is
NIH. That doesn't mean
On Jun 5, 2005, at 1:45 PM, Sven de Marothy wrote:
On Sun, 2005-06-05 at 06:25 -0300, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
On Jun 4, 2005, at 12:59 PM, Sven de Marothy wrote:
AFAIK there are
no other class libraries out there which you'll legally be able to
distribute with Harmony. So why create
it was extended - there's
something to learn there. I'm also interested in getting some input
from the commercial VM developers.
geir
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On Jun 5, 2005, at 2:12 PM, Jeroen Frijters wrote:
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
True, except I really hate extending java.lang. :)
What do you mean by extending java.lang? GNU Classpath does not
extend
java.lang (for any reasonable definition of extend). Having
we were talking about how the code running in the context of the VM
(as opposed to user code) could get ahold of the necessary classes
(and protect them from malicious user code)
geir
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of that API. Conceivably :)
there are bugs in implementations of class libraries.
(Having one that we all share would be an excellent start to solving
that problem.)
geir
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/viewcvs/classpath/classpath/vm/
reference/java/
[3] Apparently I was wrong about this previously, David Grove
corrected
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On Jun 7, 2005, at 9:49 AM, Archie Cobbs wrote:
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
I assume that if the Harmony JVM gets half as good as is hoped
there will be companys who want to adopt the JVM but continue
to use Suns class library so that differences in libraries
don't hurt their customers
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