On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 22:29:39 -0600, Darren Evans-Young
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It's amazing how a post degenerates into
a wild rumour. (not your post Shmuel)
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Actually, this thread started in a pretty degenerate state - asking
about rehosting IBM-Main. Our own FUD added UA dropping
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 01/18/2008
at 02:15 PM, Thomas Kern [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Okay, Then I will gladly be your z/VM sysprog. My experience on the 'dark
side' goes back to June 23, 1976 when I first logged onto a virtual
machine.
I'm a TSO bigot from way bac,, and I would *NEVER* refer
On Mon, 21 Jan 2008, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote:
Are we losing our hosting? If not, why discuss options for a new host?
I've heard nothing about UA dropping us. Yes, Darren has retired, but he's
still willing to put in time for the list. If there is a need to move,
it's his opinions that
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If UA is trying to get rid of IBM-Main then yes, we should help find
another home for it, and a z platform would be worth looking at.
Otherwise, let's not rock the boat.
-unsnip-
Best idea I've heard yet.
tony babonas wrote:
Why don't we take up a collection to buy an old CPU, zOS and all else
needed, then host IBM-MAIN, RACF-L, CICS-L, VM-L, DB2-L etc etc.
Manpower to support it shouldn't be an issue.
Why? Isn't bama doing a good enough job?
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Edward E Jaffe
Phoenix Software
On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 12:55:24 -0800, Edward Jaffe
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Why? Isn't bama doing a good enough job?
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I'll take Ed's question a step further.
I'd say that bama is doing a good job and I'd hate to see
this turned over to a bunch amateurs, not matter how well
In a message dated 1/18/2008 3:58:54 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
If UA is trying to get rid of IBM-Main then yes, we should help find
another home for it, and a z platform would be worth looking at.
Otherwise, let's not rock the boat.
With next year's
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you write:
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of tony babonas
Why don't we take up a collection to buy an old CPU, zOS and
all else needed, then host IBM-MAIN, RACF-L, CICS-L, VM-L,
DB2-L etc etc.
I'd think z/VM would be
-snip--
We would self-moderate
unsnip-
Right after I shoot down the pig that's circling my chimney!!! :-)
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On Fri, 2008-01-18 at 14:53 -0600, tony babonas wrote:
We would self-moderate
Yeah, like THAT's gonna happen.
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On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 14:53:10 -0600, tony babonas
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Continuing to blaspheme, my theory is that zOS should be able to host such
an application, labor being provided by a collective of experienced sysprogs.
We would self-moderate(after all it's our DASD), self-fund,
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Edward Jaffe
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 2:55 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Re-hosting IMB-MAIN (was RE: z890 2086-160 w/ 2 IFLs on eBay)
tony babonas wrote:
Why don't we
Okay, Then I will gladly be your z/VM sysprog. My experience on the 'dark
side' goes back to June 23, 1976 when I first logged onto a virtual machine.
/Tom Kern
On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 14:09:03 -0600, Chase, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion
On Fri, Jan 18, 2008 at 2:18 PM, in message
[EMAIL PROTECTED], tony babonas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Why don't we take up a collection to buy an old CPU, zOS and all else
needed, then host IBM-MAIN, RACF-L, CICS-L, VM-L, DB2-L etc etc.
Manpower to support it shouldn't be an issue.
Why not
Why don't we take up a collection to buy an old CPU, zOS and all else
needed, then host IBM-MAIN, RACF-L, CICS-L, VM-L, DB2-L etc etc.
Manpower to support it shouldn't be an issue.
Possible? Would be a great proof of concept. How much would each of us
have to pony up?
Imagine the
Bama in general, and Darren in particular, have been doing a very good job.
As with any re-hosting discussion, the people involved (which is the most
important aspect) have been ignored.
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Too busy driving to stop for gas!
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My experience on the 'dark side' goes back to June 23, 1976 when I first
logged onto a virtual machine.
I first logged on in September 1976.
1st year course at Uwaterloo.
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Too busy driving to stop for gas!
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On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 13:18:41 -0600, tony babonas wrote:
Why don't we take up a collection to buy an old CPU, zOS and all else
needed, then host IBM-MAIN, RACF-L, CICS-L, VM-L, DB2-L etc etc.
Manpower to support it shouldn't be an issue.
Possible? Would be a great proof of concept. How much
-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of tony babonas
We don't want to do this on the cheap,necessarily. We want
to run it all on zOS.
No shortage of SYSPROGs:-)
z/OS would probably be the worst choice for this purpose. First, you'd
have to
@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Re-hosting IMB-MAIN (was RE: z890 2086-160 w/ 2 IFLs on eBay)
You could save some money by running SLES10 and the linux version of
LSoft's LISTSERV product.
No z/OS or z/VM necessary.
/Tom Kern
On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 13:18:41 -0600, tony babonas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Why
In a message dated 1/18/2008 1:18:55 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Possible? Would be a great proof of concept. How much would each of us
have to pony up?
$100k/mo would be a good start. Divide that by 4K users and only 20 bucks a
month. Nobody has ever
-snip
Why don't we take up a collection to buy an old CPU, zOS and all else
needed, then host IBM-MAIN, RACF-L, CICS-L, VM-L, DB2-L etc etc.
Manpower to support it shouldn't be an issue.
Possible? Would be a great proof of concept. How much would each of us
You could save some money by running SLES10 and the linux version of
LSoft's LISTSERV product.
No z/OS or z/VM necessary.
/Tom Kern
On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 13:18:41 -0600, tony babonas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Why don't we take up a collection to buy an old CPU, zOS and all else
needed, then
-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of tony babonas
Why don't we take up a collection to buy an old CPU, zOS and
all else needed, then host IBM-MAIN, RACF-L, CICS-L, VM-L,
DB2-L etc etc.
I'd think z/VM would be a better choice for a LISTSERVE
No z/OS or z/VM necessary.
Somebody has gone over to the Dark Side, Luke!
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-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Thomas Kern
You could save some money by running SLES10 and the linux
version of LSoft's LISTSERV product.
No z/OS or z/VM necessary.
But z/VM would provide cheap insurance against outages, especially if
So we take up a collection, buy the z890 and have it shipped to Darren
;-)
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Tom Schmidt
You have completely missed the point: the list owner (Darren, in our
case) is the true fundamental value to this list. The hardware
operating system are meaningless in our
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